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Bryan Hoyer Fan Club

Marshall said:
And my argument is that you and many others have no middle ground in a bipolar world. Your an on-off switch and I'm a rheostat (dimmer switch).

ON - OFF; GOOD - BAD
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BAD - POOR - AVG - GOOD - VERY GOOD - GREAT
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Wrong again. I'm well aware of the elite QBs, the very good QBs, the average QBs and the bad/not very good QBs, because lets face it, in the NFL if you're below average it really doesn't matter what level it is, you will be replaced shortly.

So, no, it isn't just an on/off switch. I actually have the ability to watch a QB's play on the field and factor in several other things, stats, who he plays, what he does in situations, the team around him, the throws he makes, you know, the entire spectrum, then I'm able to formulate an opinion. Unlike someone who just says, "hey look, 94.4 QBR, we've got a pretty good QB here" end of story. That's a statement by someone where it doesn't matter what type of switch you have. That's a statement by someone with a burnt out bulb.

A 94.4 QBR is great. Well, not great, average to good. But to just use that stat and ignore everything else is just a lie.
 
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Reality is that the Texans have played themselves into another mid first pick, not high enough to nab a true blue chip QB and not low enough to take a flyer. I expect Hoyer back next year and at some point the Texans front office will try and sell Savage as the next franchise QB. Yuuuuck.
 
Uncle Rico said:
Reality is that the Texans have played themselves into another mid first pick, not high enough to nab a true blue chip QB and not low enough to take a flyer. I expect Hoyer back next year and at some point the Texans front office will try and sell Savage as the next franchise QB. Yuuuuck.
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I disagree. Rodgers, Roethlisberger, Flacco, Wilson & Dalton were all available in that range. I know Big Ben was selected at 11 but the trade up wouldn't be that huge if you thought a QB was worth it. We won't be drafting too late to take a flyer.
 
JCTexan said:
I disagree. Rodgers, Roethlisberger, Flacco, Wilson & Dalton were all available in that range. I know Big Ben was selected at 11 but the trade up wouldn't be that huge if you thought a QB was worth it. We won't be drafting too late to take a flyer.
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Agreed. Going into the season, I viewed the most likely candidate for the QB the Texans most regretted not drafting to be Teddy Bridgewater, with Derek Carr also a possibility. That's flip-flopped as Carr is now at the top of that list as far as I'm concerned. In spite of the Vikings success this season, Teddy's dropped a ways down that list.

The point is that you play the season the best you can, and you draft where you draft. The fact that it doesn't appear the Texans will be drafting in the top 10 or 12 obviously impacts their options, but very likely doesn't eliminate them (also, there's no such thing as drafting "too late to take a flyer"). I'm still sticking with my belief that if Hoyer is back next season it will be in a mentor and perhaps temporary/short-term starter role.
 
ChampionTexan said:
The point is that you play the season the best you can, and you draft where you draft. The fact that it doesn't appear the Texans will be drafting in the top 10 or 12 obviously impacts their options, but very likely doesn't eliminate them (also, there's no such thing as drafting "too late to take a flyer"). I'm still sticking with my belief that if Hoyer is back next season it will be in a mentor and perhaps temporary/short-term starter role.
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That's kinda where i'm at with it as well. I'm just guessing, but a big reason why OB wanted to get Hoyer here is b/c the guys' a professional & can deal with the politics. You don't have to look any further than how he handled being benched vs. how Mallet handled it. If he's brought back here & is relegated back to being a back up again, He may not like it, but OB isn't going to have to worry about him pouting and **** like Mallet's punk ass did. He'll play his role as needed.
 
ChampionTexan said:
Agreed. Going into the season, I viewed the most likely candidate for the QB the Texans most regretted not drafting to be Teddy Bridgewater, with Derek Carr also a possibility. That's flip-flopped as Carr is now at the top of that list as far as I'm concerned. In spite of the Vikings success this season, Teddy's dropped a ways down that list.

The point is that you play the season the best you can, and you draft where you draft. The fact that it doesn't appear the Texans will be drafting in the top 10 or 12 obviously impacts their options, but very likely doesn't eliminate them (also, there's no such thing as drafting "too late to take a flyer"). I'm still sticking with my belief that if Hoyer is back next season it will be in a mentor and perhaps temporary/short-term starter role.
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You don't take a flyer on a player early that you expect to be able to pick up in the middle to late rounds. So too late means there are none worthy of a pick within a round to 2 rounds and even then you might try to trade up as the player approaches that point.

For example, if we decided to take a flyer on QB4 because QB1, QB2 and QB3 were already taken, but QB4 had a 4th round grade, you wouldn't make him your pick in the 1st unless you're Dallas. If he were someone just intriguing, but not your guy, you might wait till the 4th. If you think he is underrated and think another organization might also take him above grade, You might take him in the 3rd. If you really like him and have an idea who else does, you might even trade up ahead of that team in the 3rd. Maybe, if you REALLY, REALLY like him you MIGHT even select him with a late 2nd by trading down. But you wouldn't trade UP to get him.

The cost of acquiring a player, regardless of position, is always weighed against the opportunity cost of those players you didn't choose. You have to look at both sides of the ledger.
 
Brian Hoyer in the red zone.

In fact, Houston Texans quarterback Brian Hoyer sits at the very top of that list with a Total QBR of 98.6 in the red zone, followed by Indianapolis Colts quarterback Andrew Luck (97) and Tennessee Titans quarterback Marcus Mariota (96.1).
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Hoyer did not have a good day. But even good QBs have off days. He just can't afford to have too many like it.

But he was about 5 yards from having a very good day, several times.

Newton, on the other hand, looked like he was on the Patriot payroll.

I think Aboushi will find a way off the healthy scratch list. He would have been very handy last night.
 
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A not that great Pats defense showed you what Hoyer is - a clipboard holding QB.

He was late with throws, throwing behind receivers, underthrowing and he cannot read the blitz if his life depended on it. I think everyone in the viewing audience knew when it was coming but Hoyer.

Newton - I will agree with you. He was crap last night.

The Fan Club needs to shut it doors. No one joining anymore.
 
Grams said:
A not that great Pats defense showed you what Hoyer is - a clipboard holding QB.

He was late with throws, throwing behind receivers, underthrowing and he cannot read the blitz if his life depended on it. I think everyone in the viewing audience knew when it was coming but Hoyer.

Newton - I will agree with you. He was crap last night.

The Fan Club needs to shut it doors. No one joining anymore.
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I never expected anyone to join a fan club for ANY Texan QB.

Keenan and Fitzgerald didn't belong in the NFL as long as they played for the Texans according to some on this board. While I agree that they are not elite, they are good enough to find work in the NFL. But if you want to ruin Brees' reputation on this board, just hand him a Texan Uniform. I really don't understand why so many LIKE being unhappy and keep revisiting what makes them unhappy. I'm a fan who hopes for victory, but isn't unhappy because of a game. There really are far more important things more deserving of our emotional investment.
 
Marshall said:
I never expected anyone to join a fan club for ANY Texan QB.

Keenan and Fitzgerald didn't belong in the NFL as long as they played for the Texans according to some on this board. While I agree that they are not elite, they are good enough to find work in the NFL. But if you want to ruin Brees' reputation on this board, just hand him a Texan Uniform. I really don't understand why so many LIKE being unhappy and keep revisiting what makes them unhappy. I'm a fan who hopes for victory, but isn't unhappy because of a game. There really are far more important things more deserving of our emotional investment.
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Most here hope for victory, problem is the guy leading the offense can't get us one.
 
Marshall said:
I never expected anyone to join a fan club for ANY Texan QB.

Keenan and Fitzgerald didn't belong in the NFL as long as they played for the Texans according to some on this board. While I agree that they are not elite, they are good enough to find work in the NFL. But if you want to ruin Brees' reputation on this board, just hand him a Texan Uniform. I really don't understand why so many LIKE being unhappy and keep revisiting what makes them unhappy. I'm a fan who hopes for victory, but isn't unhappy because of a game. There really are far more important things more deserving of our emotional investment.
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When we actually have a QB.. don't kid yourself, this fan base will get behind him and support him.. Hoyer isn't that guy, so stop attacking a fan base who knows water is wet, knows that the sky is blue, and knows a crappy QB when they see one when obviously you can't. That's your issue that you have to deal with.. don't drag the rest of us or bash us or make statements that this fan base won't support a actual good QB, just because you have delusions that the guy is a good QB. Wake up..Hoyer sucks
 
I hate Brian Hoyer right now ... I started him on my fantasy team .... in the semi-finals round. I shoulda known better than starting a Texans QB when they play in prime time , they always find a way to suck in those situations.

Thanks for the 4.1 Brian!
 
Carr Bombed said:
When we actually have a QB.. don't kid yourself, this fan base will get behind him and support him.. Hoyer isn't that guy, so stop attacking a fan base who knows water is wet, knows that the sky is blue, and knows a crappy QB when they see one when obviously you can't. That's your issue that you have to deal with.. don't drag the rest of us or bash us or make statements that this fan base won't support a actual good QB, just because you have delusions that the guy is a good QB. Wake up..Hoyer sucks
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except no..history shows that they won't do that either...
 
Marshall said:
I never expected anyone to join a fan club for ANY Texan QB.

Keenan and Fitzgerald didn't belong in the NFL as long as they played for the Texans according to some on this board. While I agree that they are not elite, they are good enough to find work in the NFL. But if you want to ruin Brees' reputation on this board, just hand him a Texan Uniform. I really don't understand why so many LIKE being unhappy and keep revisiting what makes them unhappy. I'm a fan who hopes for victory, but isn't unhappy because of a game. There really are far more important things more deserving of our emotional investment.
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I agree that the negativity gets stale once in a while but the Texans have done it the old fashioned way... they've earned it. And if it really bothers you there is a simple solution...
 
Marshall said:
I never expected anyone to join a fan club for ANY Texan QB.

Keenan and Fitzgerald didn't belong in the NFL as long as they played for the Texans according to some on this board. While I agree that they are not elite, they are good enough to find work in the NFL. But if you want to ruin Brees' reputation on this board, just hand him a Texan Uniform. I really don't understand why so many LIKE being unhappy and keep revisiting what makes them unhappy. I'm a fan who hopes for victory, but isn't unhappy because of a game. There really are far more important things more deserving of our emotional investment.
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Who are Keenan and Fitzgerald?
 
Corrosion said:
I hate Brian Hoyer right now ... I started him on my fantasy team .... in the semi-finals round. I shoulda known better than starting a Texans QB when they play in prime time , they always find a way to suck in those situations.

Thanks for the 4.1 Brian!
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Honestly, I wouldn't start Brian Hoyer in a fantasy league ever. You were better going with Manziel. lol
 
Carr Bombed said:
When we actually have a QB.. don't kid yourself, this fan base will get behind him and support him.. Hoyer isn't that guy, so stop attacking a fan base who knows water is wet, knows that the sky is blue, and knows a crappy QB when they see one when obviously you can't. That's your issue that you have to deal with.. don't drag the rest of us or bash us or make statements that this fan base won't support a actual good QB, just because you have delusions that the guy is a good QB. Wake up..Hoyer sucks
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Remember when we had crappy QBs that would feed Andre the ball, or air it out when we're down two scores, no matter how much time was left on the clock?


Ah... the good ole days.

Stuff like that, I blame on Hoyer. No one else is catching the ball, gotta start feeding Hop. At the same time, if Washington & Griffen would catch the dang ball... better yet, just hold on to it. That would have been a totally different game.

Still. I felt sorry for the guy. He was getting his bell rung & you could tell, way before they took him out of the game.
 
PHILLYTEXANFAN said:
Wouldn't it be nice if the RBs took pressure off Hoyer and the passing game.?!
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That is true but at the same time Hoyer could have taken some pressure off himself by hitting the deep throws where the receiver had more than a step on the defender. If thrown properly those would have been touchdowns and in result, less pressure. Also less pressure on the offense if he converted third downs instead of throwing passes too far ahead of his tight end or behind him.

In the end it was a team loss. Hoyer's touch on passes was pretty inconsistent. The run game was pedestrian. Derek Newton's blocking was freaking god awful. Nothing to hold memories on in this one offensively.
 
Am I the only one who remembers hearing Bob McNair tell us all that this offense can be run by an efficient, capable "non-star" QB type who takes care of the ball and gets everyone on the same page and keeps the chains moving?

The people who told him that came from a team where they ran the system they want to run here with Tom ******* Brady. How would they know if a merely/barely competent QB like Brian Hoyer could run this system well enough to succeed in?

This offense is a crock of shite and everyone in the league can see it. The only people losing to us are being either held down by our defense when it's playing lights out or have such a bad defense that any old slapped together offense would score on them.
 
I'm tired of beating up on Brian Hoyer. It's not his fault that he's the best option the Texans have. We know he's not the answer. The Texans know he's not the answer. Even Brian probably knows he's not the answer.

It's Bill O'Brien and Rick Smith that put the team in this position. Or Rick Smith and Bill O'Brien. What does it matter. They have collectively chosen not to address the QB position in any meaningful way. Who cares why? It doesn't take a lot of hindsight to see they've made a mistake. Their collective arse should be on the line.
 
Lucky said:
I'm tired of beating up on Brian Hoyer. It's not his fault that he's the best option the Texans have. We know he's not the answer. The Texans know he's not the answer. Even Brian probably knows he's not the answer.

It's Bill O'Brien and Rick Smith that put the team in this position. Or Rick Smith and Bill O'Brien. What does it matter. They have collectively chosen not to address the QB position in any meaningful way. Who cares why? It doesn't take a lot of hindsight to see they've made a mistake. Their collective arse should be on the line.
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I'm blaming ALL of them, including Hoyer. He should be man enough to look in the mirror and admit that he's, at best, a backup QB. None of this Stuart Smalley routine of looking in the mirror and telling himself "I'm good enough, I'm smart enough, and doggone it, O'Brien likes me!", but a true gut check and acceptance that he should never be a starting QB in the NFL, much less for the Texans. Dude is arrogant to not comprehend and accept his own limitations.

And **** O'Brien and Smith. O'Brien for being the smartest man in the room and actually choking down the delusion that Brian freakin' Hoyer can be a starting QB. That, and those stupid, consistently failing wildcat calls. What a moronic game plan against one of the best teams and head coaches in the NFL.

And **** Smith for his decade+ of failed talent evaluations and acquisitions. Dude is a chump and his quasi-nepotism GM position is nothing but a fraud perpetuated by this myopic, Andy Griffith Show owner and his doofus son.
BFF 4ever!

This team was outplayed, outcoached, and honestly, outclassed by the beat up Patriots last night. The Texans were never even competitive at any point in the game. WE should be embarrassed as a fan base to continually root for this garbage product. But hey! We are "tied for first" in our crappy division! So, of course, don't change a damn thing.

[/bitter less than 24 hour after game rant]

QuiGonGinNTonic said:
Aaron Wilson ‏@AaronWilson_NFL 6m6 minutes ago
Brian Hoyer diagnosed with concussion vs. Patriots, his second of the season, source confirms. T.J. Yates prepping to start
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TJ Yates will, once again, put this team on his back and win another big game. First time to win in Indy....only because the Colts are a bigger pile of steaming poo than the Texans right now.
 
Carr Bombed said:
When we actually have a QB.. don't kid yourself, this fan base will get behind him and support him.. Hoyer isn't that guy, so stop attacking a fan base who knows water is wet, knows that the sky is blue, and knows a crappy QB when they see one when obviously you can't. That's your issue that you have to deal with.. don't drag the rest of us or bash us or make statements that this fan base won't support a actual good QB, just because you have delusions that the guy is a good QB. Wake up..Hoyer sucks
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We have very different definitions of good. He doesn't have to be MOSES to be good as some of the fan base posts suggest.
 
Marshall said:
Hoyer did not have a good day. But even good QBs have off days. He just can't afford to have too many like it.

But he was about 5 yards from having a very good day, several times.

Newton, on the other hand, looked like he was on the Patriot payroll.

I think Aboushi will find a way off the healthy scratch list. He would have been very handy last night.
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He was probably a combined 7 yards from having an awesome game. The two under-throws to Washington, the 2 balls that were just beyond Griffin's reach & the TD to Washington he dropped in the end zone. If we make those plays this is a different game, but it doesn't really work like that.
 
Double Barrel said:
I'm blaming ALL of them, including Hoyer. He should be man enough to look in the mirror and admit that he's, at best, a backup QB. None of this Stuart Smalley routine of looking in the mirror and telling himself "I'm good enough, I'm smart enough, and doggone it, O'Brien likes me!", but a true gut check and acceptance that he should never be a starting QB in the NFL, much less for the Texans. Dude is arrogant to not comprehend and accept his own limitations.

And **** O'Brien and Smith. O'Brien for being the smartest man in the room and actually choking down the delusion that Brian freakin' Hoyer can be a starting QB. That, and those stupid, consistently failing wildcat calls. What a moronic game plan against one of the best teams and head coaches in the NFL.

And **** Smith for his decade+ of failed talent evaluations and acquisitions. Dude is a chump and his quasi-nepotism GM position is nothing but a fraud perpetuated by this myopic, Andy Griffith Show owner and his doofus son.
BFF 4ever!

This team was outplayed, outcoached, and honestly, outclassed by the beat up Patriots last night. The Texans were never even competitive at any point in the game. WE should be embarrassed as a fan base to continually root for this garbage product. But hey! We are "tied for first" in our crappy division! So, of course, don't change a damn thing.

[/bitter less than 24 hour after game rant]



TJ Yates will, once again, put this team on his back and win another big game. First time to win in Indy....only because the Colts are a bigger pile of steaming poo than the Texans right now.
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Pretty much what I've been saying since 2009 offseason. People have called me a hater/loud mouth/questioned my fanhood etc.....

I'm glad Yates is starting, atleast when Washington is 5 yds behind the DB's he wont have to wait for a Hoyer pass the resembles a punt.
 
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