Broncos Fans' Take on the Texans and Kubiak

[steelbtexan]

it's the rookie coach thing isnt it. if rex wins against indy you'll be able to fire off against the texans management the rest of this offseason and the world will be right.

WHO he beat is a joke in itsself when you cite indy and cincy. capitolize WHEN if you're attempting to be serious. you've been raising 10 types of hell about our division record for months. if WHO we beat was the jets to go 0-6 in the division and make the playoffs, is that all good by you?

just so i'm clear, which moving target do we need to hit next season to be considered a success?

I know you weren't responding to me but my expectations are

Playoffs next year or atleast 10-6 record. I dont care if there are injuries to Schaub and Andre. Hurricanes or whatever.

Super Bowl appearance within the next 4 years.

This 6-10,8-8,8-8 9-7 crap isn't going to cut it.

The Texans mismanagement has been very Oileresque since this teams inception.

 

[ObsiWan]

Bear Bryant dont count?

OOOOOOH!!
BooYaah!!
Direct Hit!!

LMAO

Rep for the quick comeback.
lol

 

[ObsiWan]

I'd Rep you if I could.

No I wouldn't

yes you would

no, he wouldn't

yes he would....

Great Taste!
Less Filling!

 

[Scooter]

I know you weren't responding to me but my expectations are

Playoffs next year or atleast 10-6 record. I dont care if there are injuries to Schaub and Andre. Hurricanes or whatever.

Super Bowl appearance within the next 4 years.

This 6-10,8-8,8-8 9-7 crap isn't going to cut it.

The Texans mismanagement has been very Oileresque since this teams inception.

lost me entirely. no schaub, no andre, and a hurricane wipes out half the team ... if we dont make the playoffs with atleast 10 wins it's kubiak's fault. wait, actually i do get that since it's the same nonsense a select few have been posting for the past few months.

this 8-8, 8-8, 9-7, 9-7, 10-6, 10-6, 11-5, 11-5 nonsense doesnt exactly hurt my feelings. i'm aware that NFL stands for Not For Long, but forgive me if i remain a fan for an extended duration.

i'm not exactly old enough to get into a good oilers conversation, but i'd love to hear how we're running the texans in some way similar to the oilers.

 

[houstonspartan]

I know you weren't responding to me but my expectations are

Playoffs next year or atleast 10-6 record. I dont care if there are injuries to Schaub and Andre. Hurricanes or whatever.

Super Bowl appearance within the next 4 years.

This 6-10,8-8,8-8 9-7 crap isn't going to cut it.

The Texans mismanagement has been very Oileresque since this teams inception.

Funny you should mention this. I was just telling someone last night that I expected this team to make it to the Super Bowl - and win it - within five years. I don't really think it'll be with our current head coach, but, we'll see. I think it's a reasonable goal.

 

[ObsiWan]

It's WHO HE BEAT, to get to 9-7. Not all 9-7's are created equal due to the
TIEBREAKER EFFECT.

3 WINS vs.Texans, Colts, Bengals > 3 Wins vs. Rams, Raiders, and Seahawks

Your bias shows right there for all to see.

I could also say that the Texans' three wins were Bengals, Dolphins (who swept the Jets), and Patriots >> than the Jets' wins over the Texans, Colts (gee, don't we wish the Colts had sat their starters against us) and Bengals.

 

[Brando]

n/m It's going to be a looong off-season.

 

[HoustonFrog]

Your standards are lower than mine. I want a team that will make the play-offs regardless how tough their schedule. If all you want is a team that will make it on the strength of a weak schedule you aren't asking for much.

Like Scooter said, you should be happy, because the 2009 team was that team. You were robbed by the Colts & Bengals rolling over.

However, because of what Kubiak & this team did in 2009, we will be a better team in 2010, just like we've gotten better every year since 2006 (& I'm not talking about the W-L columns).

We will win 10+ games for a long long time...... If we don't, something went terribly wrong.

If it's Kubiak, I'll be with you. If not, I won't.

I'm out of this now but this one sentence is why this debate keeps rolling. You weren't robbed by the Colts or Bengals. They took care of their business when needed and got the privilege of doing whatever they wanted. You were robbed by getting beat by your division opponents over and over and by not finishing games. Plain and simple. The minute people realize that every season is on the Texans and Kubes and not on Manning or the Jags, etc, the minute these debates stop.

 

[steelbtexan]

Funny you should mention this. I was just telling someone last night that I expected this team to make it to the Super Bowl - and win it - within five years. I don't really think it'll be with our current head coach, but, we'll see. I think it's a reasonable goal.

Reasonable amount of time?

That's something some people on this board cant seem to define.

But Kubes is a great guy lets give him another 5 yrs. That's reasonable to some.

You and I expect more.

 

[b0ng]

Hey guess what guys,

Kubiak is coaching the Texans in 2010. It seems like some of you weren't aware of this and are actively starting a campaign to get him fired in the off-season.

 

[ObsiWan]

n/m It's going to be a looong off-season.

yep...

there's an unspoken undercurrent in these "discussions"...
and it's this:

This is the first time in this team's history that we have a RIGHT to be pissed about missing the playoffs. That in and of itself is a milestone. We've never had the talent or the productions to have these expectations before. Ever.
May we never go back.

If Gripers are honest, they know in their heart of hearts that we've never had a team of this caliber before and that's due to Smithiak.

If the Sunshiners are honest, they (ummm, okay WE) know that we missed a golden opportunity to bust through to be in the "Big Dance" THIS year and, try as we might to look on the bright side, we're really PISSED. And that, too, is due to Smithiak.

 

[steelbtexan]

I'm out of this now but this one sentence is why this debate keeps rolling. You weren't robbed by the Colts or Bengals. They took care of their business when needed and got the privilege of doing whatever they wanted. You were robbed by getting beat by your division opponents over and over and by not finishing games. Plain and simple. The minute people realize that every season is on the Texans and Kubes and not on Manning or the Jags, etc, the minute these debates stop.

This

Thanks for sying what I've been trying to no evail to say.

 

[JB]

yep...

there's an unspoken undercurrent in these "discussions"...
and it's this:

This is the first time in this team's history that we have a RIGHT to be pissed about missing the playoffs. That in and of itself is a milestone. We've never had the talent or the productions to have these expectations before. Ever.
May we never go back.

If Gripers are honest, they know in their heart of hearts that we've never had a team of this caliber before and that's due to Smithiak.

If the Sunshiners are honest, they (ummm, okay WE) know that we missed a golden opportunity to bust through to be in the "Big Dance" THIS year and, try as we might to look on the bright side, we're really PISSED.

QFT!

must spread Rep

 

[Wolf]

n/m It's going to be a looong off-season.

reminds me of major league movie

It's too high! what do you mean its too high? I mean too hard! Too high, too hard, either way its outta here!

 

[Scooter]

Reasonable amount of time?

That's something some people on this board cant seem to define.

But Kubes is a great guy lets give him another 5 yrs. That's reasonable to some.

You and I expect more.

in the past day or so there have been 3 posters to mention kubiak being a good guy as a reason for keeping him ... spartan, second honeymoon, and now yourself. there might be some sarcasm involved here, but i'm having trouble finding the connection. i'll help yall out since i'm obviously a homer ... kubiak's a nice guy (there, now the statements are only 99% bullshit).

 

[thunderkyss]

I'm out of this now but this one sentence is why this debate keeps rolling. You weren't robbed by the Colts or Bengals. They took care of their business when needed and got the privilege of doing whatever they wanted. You were robbed by getting beat by your division opponents over and over and by not finishing games. Plain and simple. The minute people realize that every season is on the Texans and Kubes and not on Manning or the Jags, etc, the minute these debates stop.

I wasn't robbed by anyone. I know exactly what this team did, and though I'm not happy with that, I am happy with the progress the team made. This is the team I wanted, when I got on board with Kubiak coming on as our head coach.

Built primarily through the draft. High scoring WCO, running game needs some work. A surprise, is that we may have a top 10 defense, when I wasn't expecting anything but avg. I think we are going to be very good for a long, long time.

I'm not waiting for the Colts to fall apart, I'm waiting for Gary to build a team that will take the Division from them. We weren't there in 2009, but I think what happened in 2009 will help this team & GK get there.

I'd have been thrilled if we made it to the play-offs.. but I had never bought into the play-offs or Fire Kubiak line of thinking.

 

[Wolf]

this upcoming draft will be the most important draft in the history of the Houston Texans

(thought I'd get that out of the way)

 

[DexmanC]

I'm out of this now but this one sentence is why this debate keeps rolling. You weren't robbed by the Colts or Bengals. They took care of their business when needed and got the privilege of doing whatever they wanted. You were robbed by getting beat by your division opponents over and over and by not finishing games. Plain and simple. The minute people realize that every season is on the Texans and Kubes and not on Manning or the Jags, etc, the minute these debates stop.

They know that this is EXACTLY what we're saying, but they continue to put
a new context on it, and roll it out. I'm sure they'll take one line from your
post, and argue against a context THEY create. Ultimately, this is what
we are saying here, and they KNOW it.

 

[thunderkyss]

But Kubes is a great guy lets give him another 5 yrs. That's reasonable to some.

Who said that? Can you provide a link?

I think the consensus among the sunshiners is that he deserves one more year. How this team performs in that year will determine Kubiak's future with the Texans.

 

[Scooter]

They know that this is EXACTLY what we're saying, but they continue to put
a new context on it, and roll it out. I'm sure they'll take one line from your
post, and argue against a context THEY create. Ultimately, this is what
we are saying here, and they KNOW it.

who is "we" and who is "they" just so i'm not completely confused. if we're starting a rally against them i'm totally bringing the booze.

 

[thunderkyss]

They know that this is EXACTLY what we're saying, but they continue to put
a new context on it, and roll it out. I'm sure they'll take one line from your
post, and argue against a context THEY create. Ultimately, this is what
we are saying here, and they KNOW it.

Ironic, because that is exactly what he did with my argument. My position is not that we were robbed by the Colts, or the Bengals. My position is that we lost games we should have won, but I don't blame, nor do I put the majority of that blame on Kubiak.

Follow the thread that lead me to making that statement, that he was robbed, not me, not the Texans, & not the majority of Texans fans. But he was robbed because he wants a team that get's into the play-offs by beating up on a weak schedule.

 

[DexmanC]

who is "we" and who is "they" just so i'm not completely confused. if we're starting a rally against them i'm totally bringing the booze.

Exhibit A, your honor.

 

[Scooter]

Exhibit A, your honor.

yeah i'm not funny, but i figured i'd try to keep up with the joke posts.

 

[HoustonFrog]

Hey guess what guys,

Kubiak is coaching the Texans in 2010. It seems like some of you weren't aware of this and are actively starting a campaign to get him fired in the off-season.

I know this isn't my goal. My only arguments in here have been to try and inject some realism into why the Texans are where they are and to try and stop so much spinning that IMHO adds up to "woe is the Texans because of all who screwed them." I think the reality is Kubes is back, they have talent and a shot to make noise. They have no one to blame but themselves...Kubes, players, etc for this last season and in the end, this next season will flush out whether Kubes is back, the direction of the team, etc. I think the debates rage on regarding the excuses. I think draft talk would be a good thing for alot of months..lol

 

[Scooter]

edit: overboard.

 

[b0ng]

I know this isn't my goal. My only arguments in here have been to try and inject some realism into why the Texans are where they are and to try and stop so much spinning that IMHO adds up to "woe is the Texans because of all who screwed them." I think the reality is Kubes is back, they have talent and a shot to make noise. They have no one to blame but themselves...Kubes, players, etc for this last season and in the end, this next season will flush out whether Kubes is back, the direction of the team, etc. I think the debates rage on regarding the excuses. I think draft talk would be a good thing for alot of months..lol

The only thing is, the debate will rage on even more if Kubiak gets an extension midway through next season. People will threaten to tear up their season tickets (They won't actually do it, but by golly they'll threaten), they'll get upset and make long rants that others will read and disagree with (like now), and the only thing that will change volume of the "real fans".

So basically from now until Kubiak gets fired some bag of crap is going to come onto this board and want to discuss why Kubiak should be fired, and get mad when people disagree and talk about how persecuted they are as a fan.

 

[ATXtexanfan]

i like this team, i like kubiak. i'm satisfied with this teams progress.

 

[b0ng]

i like this team, i like kubiak. i'm satisfied with this teams progress.

You have been written down in the "sheeple" column. The Cowher brigade will be there soon.

 

[ObsiWan]

You have been written down in the "sheeple" column. The Cowher brigade will be there soon.

I thought we were Sunshine Club members... where did sheeple come from.

 

[steelbtexan]

Who said that? Can you provide a link?

I think the consensus among the sunshiners is that he deserves one more year. How this team performs in that year will determine Kubiak's future with the Texans.

Kubes is a good guy. He's going to get another year and I'm fine with that. (As if I could do anything about his employment)

But after next year if things dont go well, there are no excuses.

You said the Texans lost games they should've won last year but that it wasn't really Kubes fault.

Whose fault was it? Kubes put this roster together and coached the team. Whose fault isit that the Texans lost winnable games? Smith, McNair

Couldn't be McNair because he doesn't have anything to do with the football side of the operation. Except control the purse stings and let Kubes that he wants a certian type of player representing his team.

Personally I like Kubes.

He's just overmatched as a HC in the NFL. IMO

I hope I'm wrong but the proof will be the results that happen next year.

 

[b0ng]

I thought we were Sunshine Club members... where did sheeple come from.

Second Honeymoon in a different thread (About the Cowboys none the less!) that has turned into another discussion about. . .

flowers.

 

[Grams]

Whose fault was it? Kubes put this roster together and coached the team. Whose fault isit that the Texans lost winnable games? Smith, McNair

Brown and Brown, Inc

 

[thunderkyss]

You said the Texans lost games they should've won last year but that it wasn't really Kubes fault.

Whose fault was it? Kubes put this roster together and coached the team. Whose fault is it that the Texans lost winnable games? Smith, McNair

Some of it is on Kubiak, some on Schuab. Some on Shanahan, some on Slaton. Some of it is on Mario, Cushing, I'll even blame McNair for opening his mouth.

The main people I am blaming though is Schaub, Mario, Dunta, and AJ. You can't wave your magic wand and say, "today, the Texans are going to gain the resolve to be leaders, and control their own destiny."

DexmanC is 100% correct, it's not that our offense wasn't good enough. It's not that our defense wasn't good enough. Our problem this year, was that we weren't good enough, when it counted.

It definitely wasn't the plays called, it was mostly execution that let destiny slip from their hands.

 

[The Pencil Neck]

You said the Texans lost games they should've won last year but that it wasn't really Kubes fault.

Whose fault was it? Kubes put this roster together and coached the team. Whose fault isit that the Texans lost winnable games?

Why does it have to be someone's fault? Why does there always have to be someone to point the finger at and place blame on?

You've got two teams playing each other. A team is going to win and a team is going to lose. In most cases, there's really not that much of a difference between the two squads. The winning team isn't always "better", and the losing team isn't always "worse." Some days the ball just doesn't bounce your way.

We lost some games we could have won and we won some games we could have lost. In most cases, that's not any one person's fault. That's just a play here and a play there.

The difference between this team and teams of the past is that now almost all of our games were winnable.

We went 9-7 and we're all upset that we didn't go 12-4 or 11-5 or 10-6 because all of those records were within reach.

Think about that for a second.

 

[Brando]

I thought we were Sunshine Club members... where did sheeple come from.

Someone with the initials SH.

Who reminds me of Johnny(played by Randy Quad) in the movie Major League 2.......

Johnny: [seeing Gary Kubiak coming out of the tunnel and heading into the bullpen] Vile Thing, I think I *loathe* you. Every one of you are poop. Bring out the pooper scooper!

Johnny: [catches a overthrown ball by Schaub in the stands] NO! You rotten bums! You overpaid weenies! Mild thing, you make my butt sting! I *detest* you! You're all garbage! All of ya! Back up the truck! Back it up!

 

[steelbtexan]

Some of it is on Kubiak, some on Schuab. Some on Shanahan, some on Slaton. Some of it is on Mario, Cushing, I'll even blame McNair for opening his mouth.

The main people I am blaming though is Schaub, Mario, Dunta, and AJ. You can't wave your magic wand and say, "today, the Texans are going to gain the resolve to be leaders, and control their own destiny."

DexmanC is 100% correct, it's not that our offense wasn't good enough. It's not that our defense wasn't good enough. Our problem this year, was that we weren't good enough, when it counted.

It definitely wasn't the plays called, it was mostly execution that let destiny slip from their hands.

Who drafted traded or kept players on this team.

Who has final authority on who is on this team and who gets cut/released?

I dont know the answer but whoever it is deserves most of the blame. Kubes/Smith/McNair

BTW I cstill contend that the HB pass with C.Brown executing it was a stupid play call.

 

[steelbtexan]

Why does it have to be someone's fault? Why does there always have to be someone to point the finger at and place blame on?

You've got two teams playing each other. A team is going to win and a team is going to lose. In most cases, there's really not that much of a difference between the two squads. The winning team isn't always "better", and the losing team isn't always "worse." Some days the ball just doesn't bounce your way.

We lost some games we could have won and we won some games we could have lost. In most cases, that's not any one person's fault. That's just a play here and a play there.

The difference between this team and teams of the past is that now almost all of our games were winnable.

We went 9-7 and we're all upset that we didn't go 12-4 or 11-5 or 10-6 because all of those records were within reach.

Think about that for a second.

Other than the 1st Tack game I dont recall the Texans pulling out a game they had no business winning.

I was responding to TK's response that they lost games they should've won. When you are not successful somebody has to be held accountable that's just the way it works in the real business world. Not that the Texans are in the real business world. They enjoy the advantages of a monopoly that is the NFL.

If the coaching staff isn't being held accountable why do you think the players are being held accountable? Lack of accountability creates a lack of creates a lack of leadership among the players. This is why I question the foundation on which this team was built. It could also explain why the Browns weren't cut after directly causing 5 losses with turnovers and missed FG's.

I think part of the lack of accountability comes from McNair. Why should their be accountability when the dollars are flowing in to the organization like a river.

Like I said I really do think Kubes is a great guy and hope he has success next year.

I hope I'm wrong about his leadership qualities and the Texans have a great year in 2010.

 

[steelbtexan]

Brown and Brown, Inc

Yep and why were they allowed to remain on the team?

In the case of C.Brown he received an increased role after fumbling away the Jax game and failing in his role as short yardage RB seveal times. This made no sense to me but if you understand what Kubes was thinking when he expanded C.Browns role I would love to be enlightened.

That's the million $ question.

Did you really believe K.Brown waas going to make that FG against the Tacks? If you didn't you have to question why he was allowed to remain on the team.

Meanwhile the Colts lose Vinatieri to injury. They go out and sign a reliable veteran K in Matt Stover who not only kicks well for them during the regular season but makes 2 clutch kicks for them last week to help the Colts advance to the AFC champinship game.

After the New England game seeing McNair hug K.Brown on the sideline made me throw up in my mouth a little. It could've been the tailgating and beer. LOL


These are the kinds of decisions that have me questioning Texans management.

 

[The Pencil Neck]

Other than the 1st Tack game I dont recall the Texans pulling out a game they had no business winning.

I was responding to TK's response that they lost games they should've won. When you are not successful somebody has to be held accountable that's just the way it works in the real business world. Not that the Texans are in the real business world. They enjoy the advantages of a monopoly that is the NFL.

If the coaching staff isn't being held accountable why do you think the players are being held accountable? Lack of accountability creates a lack of creates a lack of leadership among the players. This is why I question the foundation on which this team was built. It could also explain why the Browns weren't cut after directly causing 5 losses with turnovers and missed FG's.

I think part of the lack of accountability comes from McNair. Why should their be accountability when the dollars are flowing in to the organization like a river.

Like I said I really do think Kubes is a great guy and hope he has success next year.

I hope I'm wrong about his leadership qualities and the Texans have a great year in 2010.

I've been in the "real business world" for a helluva long time now. And I don't think "accountability" has anything to do with anything in this case. I think this whole "lack of accountability" argument is pure BS.

When you've got a kicker who's done well for you in the past, you can either cut him as soon as he goes into a slump (which is bad management in my book) or you can try to stick with him until he gets out of it. You don't just cut someone to cut them. You cut them if you think you've got someone better that you can put into their position. You don't cut your kicker and then replace him with someone who's going to miss just as many (if not more) kicks. You think Kris Brown missed those kicks because he doesn't give a rat's ass? You think he went out there with the attitude that he's already got a lot of money and doesn't care if we win or lose? I don't. That doesn't mean I don't think he should be replaced, I just think we shouldn't just cut off our nose to spite our face. We've got to improve the position not hamstring ourselves.

When someone fumbles on this team, what happens? They sit their asses down and the next guy's up. It's that next guy's job to take advantage of the situation. That's accountability. Kubiak tried to get Slaton's head back on straight, but he couldn't.

You're willing to give him all the blame for the losses and none of the credit for what's been built.

"Lack of accountability"? Child, please.

 

[steelbtexan]

I've been in the "real business world" for a helluva long time now. And I don't think "accountability" has anything to do with anything in this case. I think this whole "lack of accountability" argument is pure BS.

When you've got a kicker who's done well for you in the past, you can either cut him as soon as he goes into a slump (which is bad management in my book) or you can try to stick with him until he gets out of it. You don't just cut someone to cut them. You cut them if you think you've got someone better that you can put into their position. You don't cut your kicker and then replace him with someone who's going to miss just as many (if not more) kicks. You think Kris Brown missed those kicks because he doesn't give a rat's ass? You think he went out there with the attitude that he's already got a lot of money and doesn't care if we win or lose? I don't. That doesn't mean I don't think he should be replaced, I just think we shouldn't just cut off our nose to spite our face. We've got to improve the position not hamstring ourselves.

When someone fumbles on this team, what happens? They sit their asses down and the next guy's up. It's that next guy's job to take advantage of the situation. That's accountability. Kubiak tried to get Slaton's head back on straight, but he couldn't.

You're willing to give him all the blame for the losses and none of the credit for what's been built.

"Lack of accountability"? Child, please.[/QUOTE

K.Brown - I get what you're saying but fact is he was a main reson that they didn't make the playoffs. I didn't say cut K.Brown I just think they should have cut somebody oh lets say Chaun Thompson (for example) and sign a vet K like Stover (who was available) and let him handle 50 and in FG's and let K.Brown handle outside 50 FG's and KO's. This is an example of thinking outside of the box. This would have been a great example of showing the team the consequnses of failing to do your job.


C.Brown-After his early season turnover problems you would've thought he would've gotten the same treatment as Slaton (his fumbling problems were due to a nerve injury in his arm) or Foster, it didn't happen. In Fact C.Browns rollle increased as the season wore on. It may not be accountability is what you call it but there was certianly a double standard. This kind of double standard can kill team leadership and cohesiveness. IMO

 

[thunderkyss]

Who drafted traded or kept players on this team.

Who has final authority on who is on this team and who gets cut/released?

So you're saying AJ, Mario, and Schaub should be cut? Read my post, read your response. Think about it.

K.Brown - I get what you're saying but fact is he was a main reson that they didn't make the playoffs.....This would have been a great example of showing the team the consequnses of failing to do your job.

I kind of see what you're saying. But I also see what Kubiak had been saying about the situations... I don't agree with you 100%, because it's easy to say Matt Stover now, after the fact. As easy as it would have been to say Suisham before the fact. At the same time, I don't agree with Kubiak 100%.

I do find it odd, that when it's your QB, you've got to assure him that he is your guy, to get him out of his slump... but if it's your kicker, you've got to assure him that he is easily replaceable??

Even though he has more influence than your pro-bowl QB does on making the post-season.

C.Brown-After his early season turnover problems you would've thought he would've gotten the same treatment as Slaton (his fumbling problems were due to a nerve injury in his arm) or Foster, it didn't happen.

First, lets see what kind of treatment Slaton got.
Week 1,
Slaton had 12 touches, 1 fumble, 1 lost...
Brown had 4 touches, 0 fumbles

Week 2,
Slaton 20 touches, 2 fumbles, 0 lost..
Brown 8 touches, 0 fumbles

Week 3,
Slaton 15 touches, 0 fumbles,
Brown 8 touches, 1 fumble

Week 4,
Slaton 23 touches, 1 fumble, 1 lost
Brown 0 touches, 0 fumbles

Week 5,
Slaton 19 touches, 0 fumbles
Brown 9 touches.

Week 6,
Slaton 25 touches, 1 fumble, 1 lost
Brown 9 touches

Week 7,
Slaton 22 touches, 1 fumble, 1 lost
Brown 5 touches

Week 8,
Slaton 3 touches, 1 fumble, 1 lost
Brown 14 touches

Week 9,
Slaton 9 touches, 0 fumbles
Brown 0 touches

Week 11,
Slaton 10 touches, 0 fumbles
Brown 14 touches

Week 12,
Slaton 17 touches, 0 fumbles
Brown 14 touches

Week 13,
Slaton 0 touches
Brown 8 touches.

Slaton didn't play week 13 because of his injury.

The point here, is after Browns week 3 fumble, he is benched the next week. Slaton fumbled 7 times, and was benched once in the Oakland game. But still had more touches than any other RB that game. He was benched again week 8, but still given 3 touches, and he fumbles the ball anyway.

Kubiak, IMHO was much more lenient with Slaton than he's ever been with any running back ever. But you think Brown's "poor" performance dictated he should have got the "Slaton treatment"????

C'mon man!

In Fact C.Browns rollle increased as the season wore on. It may not be accountability is what you call it but there was certianly a double standard. This kind of double standard can kill team leadership and cohesiveness. IMO

Chris Brown fumbled once, in week 3. He's the only one of our running backs that showed he can pick up the blitz consistently, and hold on to the ball. I agree, there is a double standard here, but not in favor of Chris Brown.

 

[steelbtexan]

So you're saying AJ, Mario, and Schaub should be cut? Read my post, read your response. Think about it.


I kind of see what you're saying. But I also see what Kubiak had been saying about the situations... I don't agree with you 100%, because it's easy to say Matt Stover now, after the fact. As easy as it would have been to say Suisham before the fact. At the same time, I don't agree with Kubiak 100%.

I do find it odd, that when it's your QB, you've got to assure him that he is your guy, to get him out of his slump... but if it's your kicker, you've got to assure him that he is easily replaceable??

Even though he has more influence than your pro-bowl QB does on making the post-season.


First, lets see what kind of treatment Slaton got.
Week 1,
Slaton had 12 touches, 1 fumble, 1 lost...
Brown had 4 touches, 0 fumbles

Week 2,
Slaton 20 touches, 2 fumbles, 0 lost..
Brown 8 touches, 0 fumbles

Week 3,
Slaton 15 touches, 0 fumbles,
Brown 8 touches, 1 fumble

Week 4,
Slaton 23 touches, 1 fumble, 1 lost
Brown 0 touches, 0 fumbles

Week 5,
Slaton 19 touches, 0 fumbles
Brown 9 touches.

Week 6,
Slaton 25 touches, 1 fumble, 1 lost
Brown 9 touches

Week 7,
Slaton 22 touches, 1 fumble, 1 lost
Brown 5 touches

Week 8,
Slaton 3 touches, 1 fumble, 1 lost
Brown 14 touches

Week 9,
Slaton 9 touches, 0 fumbles
Brown 0 touches

Week 11,
Slaton 10 touches, 0 fumbles
Brown 14 touches

Week 12,
Slaton 17 touches, 0 fumbles
Brown 14 touches

Week 13,
Slaton 0 touches
Brown 8 touches.

Slaton didn't play week 13 because of his injury.

The point here, is after Browns week 3 fumble, he is benched the next week. Slaton fumbled 7 times, and was benched once in the Oakland game. But still had more touches than any other RB that game. He was benched again week 8, but still given 3 touches, and he fumbles the ball anyway.

Kubiak, IMHO was much more lenient with Slaton than he's ever been with any running back ever. But you think Brown's "poor" performance dictated he should have got the "Slaton treatment"????

C'mon man!


Chris Brown fumbled once, in week 3. He's the only one of our running backs that showed he can pick up the blitz consistently, and hold on to the ball. I agree, there is a double standard here, but not in favor of Chris Brown.

1. Kickers are more easly replaceable than QB's. You know this and are just being argumentative. Some of the best teams carry 2 K's see the Colts,Saints,Cowboys. Kubes must have felt more confident about Brown than I did because I wanted Stover signed after the blocked FG in Ariz. (I went to that game and that block was the result of a low kick) and the missed FG in the biggest game of the year against Indy. No it wasn't after the fact. I hope Kubes doesn't make the same mistake with Brown this year.

2. I believe Slatons fumbling problems were directly related to his arm injury and he shouldn't have been playing injured. I cant really blame Kubes though if my best option was C.Brown I would have continued to use Slaton as much as possible.

3 C.Brown I'm not going to spend time looking it up but I seem to recall there were many times that he fumbled and it was recovered by the Texans. Or the refs missed the call and he was ruled down by contact (Mia game) which could have cost them that game. Some things dont show up in the game stats.

4. Did you really think I was talking about AJ,Schaub and Mario. Do you really just enjoy arguing? Come on your better than that.

 

[thunderkyss]

The main people I am blaming though is Schaub, Mario, Dunta, and AJ. You can't wave your magic wand and say, "today, the Texans are going to gain the resolve to be leaders, and control their own destiny."

DexmanC is 100% correct, it's not that our offense wasn't good enough. It's not that our defense wasn't good enough. Our problem this year, was that we weren't good enough, when it counted.

Who drafted traded or kept players on this team.

Who has final authority on who is on this team and who gets cut/released?

This is the conversation.... who are you saying should be cut?

I wasn't being argumentative about the kicker, I was just thinking out-loud.

 

[steelbtexan]

This is the conversation.... who are you saying should be cut?

I wasn't being argumentative about the kicker, I was just thinking out-loud.

Okam-not dedicated to the game, I dont care about a guys potential if he doesn't have a love of the game I wouldn't want him on my team.

C.Brown- Guy just plain stinks, I dont get how anybody can defend Kubes using him in any situation. Selvin Young and Andre Carter (?) were good enough to start for the Broncos in 2008 (they must have been OK at pass protection) but C.Brown was a better RB than these guys. Yeah right.

I'm sure there are other examples but I'm not going to spend time looking over the Texans entire roster/moves.

 

[thunderkyss]

Okam

C.Brown

So you'll just start your own argument.... fine.

I agree cut Okam, cut Brown. wouldn't change a thing.

My point is that our leaders didn't perform when they needed to. Our leaders didn't mature in time for them to get the results you wanted.

& when it's our leaders throwing INTs, fumbling, not stepping up getting that sack, droping that pick, etc.. etc..

who are you going to cut or bench?

If our leaders did what they were supposed to do, we wouldn't be hoping Kris Brown would tie the game with a 50 yard field goal, or Chris Brown throwing a HB pass.

Chris Brown wouldn't have been on the field if Slaton was who we thought he was.

 

[steelbtexan]

So you'll just start your own argument.... fine.

I agree cut Okam, cut Brown. wouldn't change a thing.

My point is that our leaders didn't perform when they needed to. Our leaders didn't mature in time for them to get the results you wanted.

& when it's our leaders throwing INTs, fumbling, not stepping up getting that sack, droping that pick, etc.. etc..

who are you going to cut or bench?

If our leaders did what they were supposed to do, we wouldn't be hoping Kris Brown would tie the game with a 50 yard field goal, or Chris Brown throwing a HB pass.

Chris Brown wouldn't have been on the field if Slaton was who we thought he was.

True

Kubes is the guy who should be the leader. As far as leaders among the players. If there are no leaders then that means the team was put together the wrog way. Evey team needs a couple of players to be laeders in the lockeroom. The Colts have Manning and Brackett/Sanders, The Tacks Have Mawae and Vanden Bosch for example.

On the defensive side of the ball I could see Cushing and Ryans as leaders.

Hopefully Schaub will become a leader for the offense. When the HB pass was called Schaub should've stepped in the huddle laughed and said can you believe called this HB pass play. We're not going to run this play . Check with me at the LOS and I will get us into a play that's not stupid.

That's leadership, Manning would have done this. That's the difference between Schaub and Manning. Regardless of what the stats may say.

Cutting C.Brown would have changed alot of things. Most likely the Texans would've made the playoffs. When C.Brown is cut this year the proof will be in the pudding so to speak.

 

[The Pencil Neck]

3 C.Brown I'm not going to spend time looking it up but I seem to recall there were many times that he fumbled and it was recovered by the Texans. Or the refs missed the call and he was ruled down by contact (Mia game) which could have cost them that game. Some things dont show up in the game stats.

There were not many times that he fumbled and it was recovered by the Texans. He had 1 called fumble and it was not recovered by the Texans. He had that lucky break call but that didn't register as a fumble because it wasn't called a fumble. He had 1 interception.

After his two big screwups, he saw less of the ball. After the first fumble, he didn't get a touch the next game. After the Jaguars thing, his touches dropped to almost nothing.

The bottom line is that you thought Brown was given preferential treatment when he really wasn't. After his screw ups, he saw less of the ball. Not more.

 

[steelbtexan]

My problem is that after the 2nd Jax game he shouldn't have seen the ball at all. He should've been cut.

I would rather go with Foster,Moats and promote C.Henry from the PS.

Everybody could see that Brown stunk by that time.

Unless you were oblivious.

 

[thunderkyss]

My problem is that after the 2nd Jax game he shouldn't have seen the ball at all. He should've been cut.

After that game, he got

Week 14, Brown 3 touches----Moats 11 touches----Foster 17 touches
Week 15, Brown 5 touches----Moats 13 touches----Foster 03 touches
Week 16, Brown 3 touches----Moats 12 touches----Foster 10 touches
Week 17, Brown 0 touches----Moats 04 touches----Foster 23 touches

We're really talking semantics here.

 

[steelbtexan]

Cut I said cut

Made an example of etc......

He did get on the field for the lucky down by contact fumble against Mia. Almost costing the team his 4th game of the year. That was on a pass rec. BTW

Look if the Kool Aid drinkers cant admit that C.Brown should've been cut or not see the field after the Jax game. There's not going to be any changing of the minds here.

Some people cant be intelectually honest with themselves.