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Brian Gaine Fired

Sonny

TexSon Proud
The letterman jacket year
I was actually in the locker room when they gave those out. Just a really weird coincidence.
A buddy of mine owns a commercial plumbing business and somehow got the Texans steam room gig on the edge of the locker room complex once a month to make sure everything's working correctly. So, I asked to be an 'assistant' (I'm not a plumber) for a day just so I can see the inside of said locker room and the inner workings. The locker room was decent size the training room, the pool, the hot tub and the steam room weren't all that big though.
 

thunderkyss

It's good to be me... again.
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Please don't confuse me for a BO'b apologist. I'm trying to find something positive to say about the man.
Give it up TK, to some on here saying anything at all positive about BoB and his job as the HC, no matter how much you also point out the flaws, makes you a BoB apologist.
 
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TheKDog

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I find it interesting that while 'the other' was in NE (with the best HC and, arguably, the best QB) they won no SBs. Three before and three after. None during. That's a five year stretch BTW
Coincidence?
:thinking:
The first two years where he was calling plays were also the only two years where Belichick and Brady were one and out in the playoffs.

The offense actually bad. Remember that jets game where it looked like Ryan and Revis figured them out?
 
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Where in my question had anything to do with Bill O'Brien. Good grief yall be on some serious skit sometimes.
Don't recall mentioning you but if you felt it applies to you then ok.

Jokers so quick to come to Bill O'Brien's rescue.
And right after you prove my point so clearly it did apply to you since nobody in the latter part of this conversation was coming to anybody rescue.
 

JB

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Please enlighten me on all these times I have come to his rescue. If you are going to make accusations at least back them up with something. Or did you mean I came to TK's rescue, in which case I'm even more confused.
He clearly states that you come to OB's rescue constantly, which I read to mean that you're not an everything Texans hater like many on here
 

Texansballer74

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And on this darn board you have seen me give Obrien credit as well. Let's not act as if we have a 1000 members chiming in on this site every day. We all should know, those faithful ones ,who post on regularly positions.
 
And on this darn board you have seen me give Obrien credit as well. Let's not act as if we have a 1000 members chiming in on this site every day. We all should know those faithful ones who post on regularly, their positions.
Yes we should which is why I want you to prove where I always come to his rescue. Pretty sure I've been consistent on saying I hate the job he does as OC, like the job he does as HC, hate that he is using the OC position to pad a kids resume, hate how he keeps running Miller up the middle, think that the performance last year was good enough to have earned a one year stay of execution and wish that he would use the TEs better. Please show me where I have deviated from any of those points or how any of them equal me coming to his rescue.
 

TheKDog

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Yes we should which is why I want you to prove where I always come to his rescue. Pretty sure I've been consistent on saying I hate the job he does as OC, like the job he does as HC, hate that he is using the OC position to pad a kids resume, hate how he keeps running Miller up the middle, think that the performance last year was good enough to have earned a one year stay of execution and wish that he would use the TEs better. Please show me where I have deviated from any of those points or how any of them equal me coming to his rescue.
Fair enough but what is he good at as HC? It can't be timeouts, challenge flags, personnel evaluation or player development
 

sandman

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Yes we should which is why I want you to prove where I always come to his rescue. Pretty sure I've been consistent on saying I hate the job he does as OC, like the job he does as HC, hate that he is using the OC position to pad a kids resume, hate how he keeps running Miller up the middle, think that the performance last year was good enough to have earned a one year stay of execution and wish that he would use the TEs better. Please show me where I have deviated from any of those points or how any of them equal me coming to his rescue.
Well to be fair, the standard of running to OB's defense around here has been defined as saying something critical of RAC. :kitten:
 

TheKDog

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Well to be fair, the standard of running to OB's defense around here has been defined as saying something critical of RAC. :kitten:
It's just consistency. O'Brien gets excuses for 5 years of a mediocre offense, rac gets downplayed for having a good defense 4 out of 5 years.
 
Fair enough but what is he good at as HC? It can't be timeouts, challenge flags, personnel evaluation or player development
For me it comes down to for whatever reason he seems really able to keep the locker room together and keep them focused. Coming back from 0-3 to a 9 game winning streak is impressive no matter who you are. Also throughout his entire time in the NFL, as whatever role, very few players have had negative things to say about him. Hell more people have said negative about BB than they have BoB.

Time outs and challenge flags are hard to judge. We sit in hindsight or even on the side lines and say "he should/shouldn't have done that" but the world looks much different when you are actually the one that has to make the call and have to make it with very little time to think about it. Could he be better at it, of course and there are some that make you just face palm but there are also many that turned out to be mistakes later but in the moment would have made sense.

Personnel evaluation I agree with you. Anyone that thinks Devlin should still be coaching our line at this point is blind and I wouldn't trust BoB to pick the QB for a peewee football team. I would much happier if we had a Draft Day "You coach the team I give you" type of GM instead of GMs that are trying to get the guys BoB wants.

My biggest argument about keeping BoB right now actually has nothing to do with him. Its that I haven't heard of any proven alternatives that are realistic. We could find another HC but could we find another that would be an actual upgrade or would be go from the frying pan to the fire. Is it worth wasting 2-3 years of Watson and Hopkins careers and most likely all that's left of Watt's career to replace him? This year to me will answer that question.
 

sandman

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It's just consistency. O'Brien gets excuses for 5 years of a mediocre offense, rac gets downplayed for having a good defense 4 out of 5 years.
Eh, I respect your perspective of the conversations happening here, but I don't agree that anyone downplays RAC for consistently having a good defense during his Texans tenure. The conversation was about the Colts playoff game, then it was all Jets and Sharks around here with people taking sides and ready to rumble.
 

TheKDog

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Eh, I respect your perspective of the conversations happening here, but I don't agree that anyone downplays RAC for consistently having a good defense during his Texans tenure. The conversation was about the Colts playoff game, then it was all Jets and Sharks around here with people taking sides and ready to rumble.
Fair enough. I think the secondary got exposed badly towards the end of the season and against the colts. Hopefully some of the many moves we've made work out
 

thunderkyss

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Fair enough. I think the secondary got exposed badly towards the end of the season and against the colts.
The secondary is another one of those problems that's been waiting to be fixed. Our pass rush had been good enough for a while that it wasn't so glaring a need.

Though Kjax has started for many years, he never developed into a guy you didn't have to help. We let Bouye go. Kjon has a glass jaw & our safeties have always been eh...

Hopefully Reid works out. Hopefully LonnieJ works out. Hopefully our pass rush (especially interior) returns to form.
 

JB

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It's usually non answers like "he's a leader" or "none of his players have retired so they must like him"
What's not to like about him being a leader? And many of his players have publicly stated that they liked him including Watson
 
Truth is non-supportive statements are a rarity except for primadonnas. Unless you know someone is gone it's Bull Durham, 'just going to give it 110%' 'we're working hard as a team' etc.
For current team this is very true, for players on former teams or who have retired they tend to be a little more honest. At the same time it could also be that BoB had so little impact that they don’t remember unless directly asked. I mean how many of us remember every teacher we had in high school unless it comes up for some reason.
 

Texansballer74

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Do we like every boss we've worked for. Heck naw . But when it comes to me getting this bread, oh yeah we're cool AF.

Come on people, these players are about getting that money. So of course they will fake it until they make it. They will not come out and say, " um no I don't like this coach or that coach ". Not unless they're trying to force a trade. Lol
 

ObsiWan

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According to the positions in the Texan’s front office AJ is “Special Advisor to the Head Coach”. But I’m sure someone will find something negative about that.
I thought that adding AJ to the staff was a smooth move by the Texans.
Still wondering if that was a McNair move or what....
...but whoever, it was a smooth move
 

steelbtexan

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I thought that adding AJ to the staff was a smooth move by the Texans.
Still wondering if that was a McNair move or what....
...but whoever, it was a smooth move
Great PR move, he can help a young guy like V. Smith learn the ropes. I'm expecting alot of improvement from Smith next yr. It looked like he didn't even know the plays last yr. But he still made some plays, he's a really gifted guy. If he doesn't improve then the mental side of the NFL is too big for him and it's time to move on.
 

disaacks3

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Source on random and unwarranted?
You're kidding, right? It may not have been random, but it's pretty well recognized as unwarranted.

A sampling:
CBS
In a surprise move that came out of nowhere on Friday, the Houston Texans made the decision to fire general manager Brian Gaine.
SI
The team let someone go who didn't deserve to be fired
Chron
Gaine went from what Bill O'Brien described as "head and shoulders" above all the candidates the Texans interviewed for general manager last year to "wasn't the team's first choice" after he was fired.
NFL.com
In a stunning move, the Houston Texans have fired general manager Brian Gaine.
USA Today
In a surprising move, the Houston Texans fired general manager Brian Gaine on Friday just days before the team is scheduled to report


CBS
In an unusual move, the Houston Texans fired general manager Brian Gaine after just a little more than a year on the job
 

sandman

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You're kidding, right? It may not have been random, but it's pretty well recognized as unwarranted.

A sampling:
CBS


SI


Chron


NFL.com


USA Today


CBS
Other than that SI blurb, the primary verbiage used is stunning and surprising. Plenty of people in my industry could be stunned and surprised if I was fired, but that doesn't mean they also think it was unwarranted.

The point is, we as fans - or anyone outside the Texans organization - will never know the details as to why. We have no idea if it was unwarranted or not. But we do have a confirmation bias, which gets displayed around here regularly along with the whole "my opinion is fact" thing.

Just because we believe what we say doesn't make it true. Just ask my wife when I say I can still get it done like I did when I was 30.
 

disaacks3

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Other than that SI blurb, the primary verbiage used is stunning and surprising. Plenty of people in my industry could be stunned and surprised if I was fired, but that doesn't mean they also think it was unwarranted.

The point is, we as fans - or anyone outside the Texans organization - will never know the details as to why. We have no idea if it was unwarranted or not. But we do have a confirmation bias, which gets displayed around here regularly along with the whole "my opinion is fact" thing.

Just because we believe what we say doesn't make it true. Just ask my wife when I say I can still get it done like I did when I was 30.
Quick, off the top of your head, name an NFL GM fired in under 18 months, without a head coaching change involved...I'll wait.

The point being that you don't even grade drafts until 3 years out. There's ZERO chance you can accurately grade a GM in that short a time. Unwarranted is exactly the context of the "stunning and surprising".
 

Uncle Rico

Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
Brian Gaine was fallguy #2 for Bill OBriens team takeover. Didnt OBrien just come out and say he had a big part in personnel selection even before Gaine? Tisk. Tisk.
 
Quick, off the top of your head, name an NFL GM fired in under 18 months, without a head coaching change involved...I'll wait.

The point being that you don't even grade drafts until 3 years out. There's ZERO chance you can accurately grade a GM in that short a time. Unwarranted is exactly the context of the "stunning and surprising".
Unless he wasn't fired because of the draft but for some other reason. I still say the way that happened so quickly and the way the Texans went completely radio silent afterwards suggests something else was going on. Maybe it had to do with the lawsuit, maybe it was because they thought they could get Cesario, maybe it was because he slapped an intern on the a$$ or something to that affect, we don't know and I doubt we ever will. I do not think it was because of the draft though, Texans never seemed all that high on Dillard and both BoB and Cal seemed to be right on board with that video of them calling Howard. It would have been easy for either one to just say "Welcome to the team" and go on but both spent time talking to him and were smiling during the conversation.
 

TheKDog

Hall of Fame
He was fired because Easterby cooked up this Caserio wild goose chase. If it wasn't for that dumbass ring ceremony spy mission, Gaine would still be here.

Also, McLane reported that O'Brien was already acting upset and there was tension between them starting a few weeks before that, after draft time.
 


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