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Brett Hundley

Texian said:
Hundley makes his OL look worse than it is. Hundley is slow to process all the information needed to make quick decisions.
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He definitely held the ball too long and was hesitant making his reads, but there were quite a few plays where he was getting the snap and had guys already in the backfield. UCLA had 2 OL starters out for this game and were already trying to break in 2 new starters. They got stronger later in the game and were able to establish the run a little bit in the 2nd half.

Will be interested to see how Hundley looks later in the year with a more cohesive OL in front of him. He still has a lot of work to do though. He looked eerily similar to last year with not a lot of progression being made in the passing game. Very quick to pull the ball down and rely on his legs.
 
WolverineFan said:
He definitely held the ball too long and was hesitant making his reads, but there were quite a few plays where he was getting the snap and had guys already in the backfield. UCLA had 2 OL starters out for this game and were already trying to break in 2 new starters. They got stronger later in the game and were able to establish the run a little bit in the 2nd half.

Will be interested to see how Hundley looks later in the year with a more cohesive OL in front of him. He still has a lot of work to do though. He looked eerily similar to last year with not a lot of progression being made in the passing game. Very quick to pull the ball down and rely on his legs.
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I understand all this and the problems with his OL. That's why you would expect him to check down. With Hundley it appears he has one predetermined read and it's throw it, run it or take a sack. Honestly I don't know if Hundley knows if his receivers are facing man or zone. And the next safety he looks off will be the first safety he looks off.

Watching FSU/OKST and LSU/WISC while waiting to watch Mariota.
 
Texian said:
I understand all this and the problems with his OL. That's why you would expect him to check down. With Hundley it appears he has one predetermined read and it's throw it, run it or take a sack. Honestly I don't know if Hundley knows if his receivers are facing man or zone. And the next safety he looks off will be the first safety he looks off.

Watching FSU/OKST and LSU/WISC while waiting to watch Mariota.
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I agree about checking down but they don't really use a TE at all and I didn't see the RB going out all that much. I also didn't see any hots or audibles. That one 4th down play they had tons of room over the middle to throw a slant and the guy ran an out. Hundley double clutched and took a sack. Seems like a fundamental flaw in the offense. If you're going to rely on your QB that much then it seems natural that you would give him more control.

I think we're on the same page here though. Not where you would expect him to be mentally or mechanically.
 
Was only able to see the first half but agree with evals above. He dropped out of first round on my board but it is only one game. Did not see much out of the Virginia safety Harris either.
 
Hundley looked terrible. I didn't see him play last year, but this first game I watched him play left me wondering what the hype was about. He looks like a c or d level player.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
Hundley looked terrible. I didn't see him play last year, but this first game I watched him play left me wondering what the hype was about. He looks like a c or d level player.
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People around here are so desperate for a QB that they had about 8 of them graded as first round picks in the last draft.

Hundley was a project last year and needed to go back to school. Looks like the same exact player right now. No growth over the spring and summer. He better improve over the season or he'll be in college again next year.
 
Watching Hundley against Oregon. He is just a more athletic version of Blaine Gabbert. Dude has zero sense of an incoming pass rusher.
 
stingray said:
Watching Hundley against Oregon. He is just a more athletic version of Blaine Gabbert. Dude has zero sense of an incoming pass rusher.
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Yeah they talked about that on gameday this morning, I've already scratched him off the list and want no part of him. When you can't read defense or can't feel pressure on the collegiate level, you have no shot at the next level. I feel sorry for which ever team drafts him..just hope it isn't us.
 
stingray said:
Watching Hundley against Oregon. He is just a more athletic version of Blaine Gabbert. Dude has zero sense of an incoming pass rusher.
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Yes, I know, and even more depressing is that he's the best qb that will be available to us in the next draft. Mariotta will go before we pick, Winston will slip to us but McNair won't allow us to take him. And Hundley is supposedly next best. Can't see any obvious way we're much better at qb next year.
 
markn said:
Yes, I know, and even more depressing is that he's the best qb that will be available to us in the next draft. Mariotta will go before we pick, Winston will slip to us but McNair won't allow us to take him. And Hundley is supposedly next best. Can't see any obvious way we're much better at qb next year.
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We can hope they trade up for the Duck.
 
markn said:
Yes, I know, and even more depressing is that he's the best qb that will be available to us in the next draft. Mariotta will go before we pick, Winston will slip to us but McNair won't allow us to take him. And Hundley is supposedly next best. Can't see any obvious way we're much better at qb next year.
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There will be other QBs available, I'd take Bryce Petty over Hundley
 
I'm really starting to like Bryce Petty, he just flicks it and throws so effortlessly..He's like a athletic Phillip Rivers.
 
Texian said:
CollegeFootball 24/7 ‏@NFL_CFB 2h2 hours ago

Jim Mora says he's sure Brett Hundley will turn pro. -->

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...rn-pro-jim-mora-says?campaign=Twitter_nfl_cfb
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CBS Sports' Scouting Report on Hundley:

STRENGTHS: Looks the part with a tall, well-built frame and has the arm to unleash passes all over the field. Easy throwing motion with a strong, accurate arm. Noel Mazzone's offense asks him to make aggressive downfield throws and his quarterback shows the courage to attempt these passes even with defenders in close proximity to his targets.

Quick set-up and release, and possesses the velocity and touch to make any throw.

Even more impressive than Hundley's elusiveness and acceleration, however, is his vision and poise while buying time in the pocket. Hundley feels pressure well and is willing to step up and re-set while keeping his passing options open, critical for long-term success in the NFL.

Hundley has the physical traits to explode as a dual-threat passer in the NFL, and the mental toughness so critical for success at the next level.

WEAKNESSES: Takes virtually every snap from the shotgun and typically relies upon pre-snap reads in a relatively simple offense. Scouts want to see him operate better from the pocket, especially under duress.

Has a tendency to drop his eyes and look to run in the face of pressure, even when able to elude the initial defender. Good, but not great straight-line speed in the mold of elite dual-threat QBs.

Hundley's ball placement is a work-in-progress. Like most young quarterbacks, he needs to develop his anticipation as a passer and show better rhythm with his weapons, but he has the qualities that can't be coached.

COMPARES TO: Randall Cunningham, ex-Eagles: Hundley possesses a combination of size, athleticism, grace and arm strength reminiscent of the former Pro Bowler Cunningham.

IN OUR VIEW: On the surface, Hundley's skill-set seems every bit as tantalizing as Oregon's Marcus Mariota or Florida State's Jameis Winston. However, Hundley needs to improve in the critical subtleties of the quarterback position - pocket presence, reading defenses and ball placement.

--Dane Brugler & Rob Rang (11/20/14)
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Hundley is a fantastic physical specimen. He's basically elite or close to it in all the physical categories.

But he's below average in all the categories that are necessary to become an elite QB. He's not accurate beyond ten yards, he can't read defense or go through progressions, and he can't beat pressure with his arm.

He seems coachable, but I don't think he's a first round prospect. He needs more work than people want to admit.
 
Lucky said:
So he doesn't work hard and isn't a leader? Haven't heard that. I doubt you have, either.
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I'm not sure you heard that about Freeman before he was drafted. If you don't like Freeman how about Daunte Culpepper? I don't like Hundley because a large majority of his passes are the under 5 yard variety. That tends to inflate his completion %. His passes over 10 yards rate poor on the completion meter and accuracy meter. All of those are the 1 look lock on style. And the next time Hundley reads a defense may be the first time he reads a defense.
 
Texian said:
I don't like Hundley because a large majority of his passes are the under 5 yard variety. That tends to inflate his completion %. His passes over 10 yards rate poor on the completion meter and accuracy meter. All of those are the 1 look lock on style. And the next time Hundley reads a defense may be the first time he reads a defense.
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That's the overwhelming majority of college QBs you've just described. Including the top 2 out of this class.

At some point this offseason, I plan on starting a thread about the unrealistic expectations fans have of college QBs. They play in college offenses. Designed to succeed against college defenses. They all will require professional coaching. The key is finding the guys with the talent and temperament for the NFL.
 
Lucky said:
That's the overwhelming majority of college QBs you've just described. Including the top 2 out of this class.

At some point this offseason, I plan on starting a thread about the unrealistic expectations fans have of college QBs. They play in college offenses. Designed to succeed against college defenses. They all will require professional coaching. The key is finding the guys with the talent and temperament for the NFL.
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Not a QB guru or anything but what about QBs who run pro style offenses in college? Are they better prepared for the NFL or is it a myth? Forgive my noobness.
 
Lucky said:
That's the overwhelming majority of college QBs you've just described. Including the top 2 out of this class.

At some point this offseason, I plan on starting a thread about the unrealistic expectations fans have of college QBs. They play in college offenses. Designed to succeed against college defenses. They all will require professional coaching. The key is finding the guys with the talent and temperament for the NFL.
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The bottom line on Hundley is if he can't complete 50% of his passes over 10 yards in college, then he will only do worse in the NFL. Not to mention his poor accuracy on those type passes. I understand you do love you some Hundley and don't particularly care for my evaluation of him and that's OK too.
 
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MistaRed said:
Not a QB guru or anything but what about QBs who run pro style offenses in college? Are they better prepared for the NFL or is it a myth? Forgive my noobness.
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Yes, they are more prepared. But that doesn't necessarily mean they will end up being better. They just have a head start on the transition.
 
bah007 said:
Hundley is a fantastic physical specimen. He's basically elite or close to it in all the physical categories.

But he's below average in all the categories that are necessary to become an elite QB. He's not accurate beyond ten yards, he can't read defense or go through progressions, and he can't beat pressure with his arm.

He seems coachable, but I don't think he's a first round prospect. He needs more work than people want to admit.
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I'm actually hoping the Texans grab him outside the first round. He has a nice, quick release that I like, he has the arm, he has the frame, and he has the ability and mentality to extend plays behind the LOS instead of running all the damn time. I recognize the accuracy issues, but I think he improved dramatically over the last half of the season in handling pressure. And he doesn't rattle easily, which I like. He needs work, of course, but I don't see any QB over last year's draft or this one that I like any better, to be honest. If the team manages to get him outside the first round and goes into the season with a stable of Mallett, Hundley, and Savage, I would have hope.
 
eriadoc said:
I'm actually hoping the Texans grab him outside the first round. He has a nice, quick release that I like, he has the arm, he has the frame, and he has the ability and mentality to extend plays behind the LOS instead of running all the damn time. I recognize the accuracy issues, but I think he improved dramatically over the last half of the season in handling pressure. And he doesn't rattle easily, which I like. He needs work, of course, but I don't see any QB over last year's draft or this one that I like any better, to be honest. If the team manages to get him outside the first round and goes into the season with a stable of Mallett, Hundley, and Savage, I would have hope.
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I have a 2nd round grade on him. I'm not saying don't draft him. I'm just saying tap the brakes.

He seems very coachable. I think he has a shot to succeed. I just think it's smaller than most people do.

He has severe issues that need to be corrected.

There are four guys I would have taken over him last year and three this year. I still think coming out this year is the right choice. He's not developing at UCLA. He's been the same exact player for three years.
 
eriadoc said:
I'm actually hoping the Texans grab him outside the first round. He has a nice, quick release that I like, he has the arm, he has the frame, and he has the ability and mentality to extend plays behind the LOS instead of running all the damn time.
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It's all speculation at this point, but I can't see a QB with tools like Hundley's lasting until the 2nd round. I didn't see Bridgewater making it to #32, either. But, there was a lot of questions about his upside. Hundley doesn't have those questions, and compares well to Blake Bortles from last year's draft in terms of having plus athleticism and makeup.

Regarding accuracy, every QB out of this class has issues. There's no Luck (or even Bridgewater) here. But Hundley was 3rd in FBS, in completions. So either he hit some deep throws, or made everything possible short. He needs pro coaching for sure, and Hundley should get his first taste at the Senior Bowl, As a 4th year junior who's graduated, he' eligible.
 
Lucky said:
Yeah, no other college QBs throw short passes. You got me.
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They all do. Hundley does throw an awful lot though.

That's not the real issue for me anyway. If it works then why should the coach call anything else? My issue is that his accuracy suffers considerably when he doesn't go short.
 
Lucky said:
Yeah, no other college QBs throw short passes. You got me.
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They all throw short passes but you know that. Just not as many as Hundley. There is no doubt that you've fallen in love with the player. I will continue to speak ill of Hundley, I just won't do it directly with you. It's clear you that it upsets you and that's is not my intention.
 
Texian said:
They all throw short passes but you know that. Just not as many as Hundley.
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Stats? Link? Or...

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Texian said:
They all throw short passes but you know that. Just not as many as Hundley. There is no doubt that you've fallen in love with the player. I will continue to speak ill of Hundley, I just won't do it directly with you. It's clear you that it upsets you and that's is not my intention.
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Everybody Loves Hundley
 
Parse it any way you like, but Oregon probably leads the NCAA in yards after catch. So all those 20+ passes from Mariota? A fair number of them were the short passes for which you're deriding Hundley. Mariota has an offense and players that thrive on YAC. UCLA, not so much. They have Jordan Payton, sure. Furthermore, if you look at the early part of the season, Hundley was tearing up secondaries. Then their OL fell apart a little bit and he started running more.

Hundley's no perfect candidate, but I think the short pass criticism is off mark, personally. His accuracy on balls that he puts in the air can be questioned a bit, but that doesn't concern me at the NFL level. That's the sort of thing coaches can work on. Motion, release, and mentality are much harder to correct, and I like Hundley in those areas.
 
eriadoc said:
Parse it any way you like, but Oregon probably leads the NCAA in yards after catch. So all those 20+ passes from Mariota? A fair number of them were the short passes for which you're deriding Hundley. Mariota has an offense and players that thrive on YAC. UCLA, not so much. They have Jordan Payton, sure. Furthermore, if you look at the early part of the season, Hundley was tearing up secondaries. Then their OL fell apart a little bit and he started running more.

Hundley's no perfect candidate, but I think the short pass criticism is off mark, personally. His accuracy on balls that he puts in the air can be questioned a bit, but that doesn't concern me at the NFL level. That's the sort of thing coaches can work on. Motion, release, and mentality are much harder to correct, and I like Hundley in those areas.
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There needs to be a separate classification for yards after the catch and yards after contact, the difference being the yards between the catch and contact.
 
Marshall said:
There needs to be a separate classification for yards after the catch and yards after contact, the difference being the yards between the catch and contact.
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Sure, but right now people don't even pay attention to after catch, much less after contact. The QB gets credit (or detriment) for those stats.
 
eriadoc said:
Sure, but right now people don't even pay attention to after catch, much less after contact. The QB gets credit (or detriment) for those stats.
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They should never get any more than partial credit since there are always at least two parties involved in a completion.
 
eriadoc said:
Parse it any way you like, but Oregon probably leads the NCAA in yards after catch. So all those 20+ passes from Mariota? A fair number of them were the short passes for which you're deriding Hundley. Mariota has an offense and players that thrive on YAC. UCLA, not so much. They have Jordan Payton, sure. Furthermore, if you look at the early part of the season, Hundley was tearing up secondaries. Then their OL fell apart a little bit and he started running more.

Hundley's no perfect candidate, but I think the short pass criticism is off mark, personally. His accuracy on balls that he puts in the air can be questioned a bit, but that doesn't concern me at the NFL level. That's the sort of thing coaches can work on. Motion, release, and mentality are much harder to correct, and I like Hundley in those areas.
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I can't disagree with anything you said here.

Like I said above, my issue isn't that he throws a lot of short passes. Most college QBs do.

My issue is that Hundley is not consistently accurate or precise on intermediate throws. What separates the two for me is that Mariota is. He isn't asked to make a lot of intermediate throws into windows, but when he is asked to do it he hits the mark.

There is a ton to like about Hundley. But I'm not so sure that the inability to consistently make those throws can just be fixed. Surely he will improve to a degree, but can he improve enough? I don't know. The potential is there, but it's a risk.
 
Marshall said:
They should never get any more than partial credit since there are always at least two parties involved in a completion.
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I agree with you but it's never been that way and it never will.

Just like the QB gets credit for a WR breaking a tackle and running for a long TD, he also gets credit for an INT when a perfect pass bounces off a WR's hands right to a defender.
 
bah007 said:
There is a ton to like about Hundley. But I'm not so sure that the inability to consistently make those throws can just be fixed. Surely he will improve to a degree, but can he improve enough? I don't know. The potential is there, but it's a risk.
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What we need is a QB whisperer! :D
 
bah007 said:
I agree with you but it's never been that way and it never will.

Just like the QB gets credit for a WR breaking a tackle and running for a long TD, he also gets credit for an INT when a perfect pass bounces off a WR's hands right to a defender.
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Thank you. That is my other peeve.
 
bah007 said:
I can't disagree with anything you said here.

Like I said above, my issue isn't that he throws a lot of short passes. Most college QBs do.

My issue is that Hundley is not consistently accurate or precise on intermediate throws. What separates the two for me is that Mariota is. He isn't asked to make a lot of intermediate throws into windows, but when he is asked to do it he hits the mark.

There is a ton to like about Hundley. But I'm not so sure that the inability to consistently make those throws can just be fixed. Surely he will improve to a degree, but can he improve enough? I don't know. The potential is there, but it's a risk.
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Also has no pocket awareness
 
Texian said:
Also has no pocket awareness
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Well, I'd say at least a couple scouts disagree with you on that one. From the scouting report I linked on the first page:

STRENGTHS: Looks the part with a tall, well-built frame and has the arm to unleash passes all over the field. Easy throwing motion with a strong, accurate arm. Noel Mazzone's offense asks him to make aggressive downfield throws and his quarterback shows the courage to attempt these passes even with defenders in close proximity to his targets.

Quick set-up and release, and possesses the velocity and touch to make any throw.

Even more impressive than Hundley's elusiveness and acceleration, however, is his vision and poise while buying time in the pocket. Hundley feels pressure well and is willing to step up and re-set while keeping his passing options open, critical for long-term success in the NFL.

Hundley has the physical traits to explode as a dual-threat passer in the NFL, and the mental toughness so critical for success at the next level.
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Also from that report:

WEAKNESSES: Takes virtually every snap from the shotgun and typically relies upon pre-snap reads in a relatively simple offense. Scouts want to see him operate better from the pocket, especially under duress.

Has a tendency to drop his eyes and look to run in the face of pressure, even when able to elude the initial defender. Good, but not great straight-line speed in the mold of elite dual-threat QBs.

Hundley's ball placement is a work-in-progress. Like most young quarterbacks, he needs to develop his anticipation as a passer and show better rhythm with his weapons, but he has the qualities that can't be coached.
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So I guess it depends on your idea of pocket awareness.
 
Tell me, other than mobility what makes Hundley a better prospect than Mallett? They both have/had the same issues coming out of college. Only difference to me is Mallett has had 4 yrs in BOB's system.

The only QB I would take above Mallett in this draft is Mariota and I'm not sure he will turn out to be a better NFL QB than Mallett.
 
steelbtexan said:
Tell me, other than mobility what makes Hundley a better prospect than Mallett? They both have/had the same issues coming out of college. Only difference to me is Mallett has had 4 yrs in BOB's system.

The only QB I would take above Mallett in this draft is Mariota and I'm not sure he will turn out to be a better NFL QB than Mallett.
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Mallett dropped from the first round to the third largely because of character/maturity issues. If he had been drafted in the first, we would have seen by now what he was or wasn't because he would have gotten the opportunity dictated by draft position. If Mallett hasn't developed by this point, chances are he won't turn into the next great QB. We saw some good things, but it's not like he blew us away or anything. Still, if the coaches feel he's where he needs to be at this point in his career, I'd rather have him at the helm than a rookie, no doubt. Nonetheless, you draft Hundley if you feel like he has the potential to bloom into the guy you want under tutelage.

As for specific differences at the same points in their careers, I think Mallett has a bigger arm, but beyond the point where it actually matters. Hundley doesn't have the same issues with touch passes. Hundley has a better feel in the pocket, in terms of ability to feel the pressure and slide. To my eye, Hundley has a quicker release, which is nice. They both have accuracy issues, but I tie that to footwork, which is completely correctable with pro coaching as long as the player can be coached. Both are very intelligent football players. Hundley is obviously far more athletic than Mallett, but more importantly, he has demonstrated the mentality to extend plays behind the LOS instead of beyond. Hundley has demonstrated the ability to feel the rush and slide in the pocket. There was a stretch during the season when I felt like he was getting happy feet, but the last couple games of the season he really cleaned that up. That athleticism coupled with the mentality to pass first is a key difference.

So there's some similarity, to be sure, but Hundley scores higher in having a quicker release, better athleticism, the mentality to use it in an NFL style, and doesn't overly rely on his arm strength. Part of what got/gets Mallett into trouble is the belief that his arm is so strong he can do anything. That results in some bad decisions.
 
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