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Blake Bortles

Thought this was an interesting read:
Bortles: Arm 'deteriorated' from overuse as a rookie; LINK

Blake Bortles experienced his fair share of growing pains during his rookie season. The Jaguars quarterback admitted Tuesday that his arm was far from 100 percent as the weeks wore on.

"My arm kind of deteriorated during the season," Bortles said at the start of Jacksonville's voluntary offseason conditioning program, according to ESPN.com. "It didn't affect anything. It was just, I think, a product of throwing for two years straight without any break.

"Took some time off, let it heal, and then went kind of (to seek) out some proper mechanics on how to make it never hurt again."

Determined to keep his arm fresh through Year 2 with the Jaguars, Bortles changed his approach. The former No. 3 overall pick spent the first several weeks of the offseason without a ball in his hand, instead working with a series of quarterback coaches and gurus to improve mechanics that betrayed him as a rookie.
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PapaL said:
Thought this was an interesting read:
Bortles: Arm 'deteriorated' from overuse as a rookie; LINK
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From overuse or poor mechanics? I'd say the latter, tended to be all arm with poor footwork/kinetic chain.

BB had a hard time getting this out..."I guess I was, when I left here, I was probably, I don't know, I was kind of fat."
 
Playoffs said:
From overuse or poor mechanics? I'd say the latter, tended to be all arm with poor footwork/kinetic chain.

BB had a hard time getting this out..."I guess I was, when I left here, I was probably, I don't know, I was kind of fat."
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Or very likely from an existing shoulder injury such as a labrum or rotator cuff.....which would certainly show progression and worsening with continued normal use of his throwing arm during the course of a season.....and certainly accelerated by either overuse and/or poor mechanics.
 
Andy Benoit @Andy_Benoit
#Jaguars Notes: Also, Bortles is methodical and playing behind an iffy pass-blocking front 5. He’ll need help from safer play calls.

#Jaguars Notes: a big concern: Bortles is a more methodical styled passer surrounded by quick twitch receivers. That doesn’t synch up.​
 
Playoffs said:
Andy Benoit @Andy_Benoit
#Jaguars Notes: Also, Bortles is methodical and playing behind an iffy pass-blocking front 5. He’ll need help from safer play calls.

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I think that's a cop out. We've seen the same line go from poor to passable with just a change at QB with Carr & Sage, & the same line going from average to pretty damgn good between Fitz & Mallett. One year we're leading the league in sacks given up, the next year we're top 10 in protecting our QB going from Carr to Schaub with the same OL.

So while the Jags OL may very well be iffy, Bortles' experience level is also part of the issue. & while safer play calls is definitely in order, Bortles coming up to speed on reading defenses & managing that offense also deserves some attention. & yeah, they're more than likely working on it. I just think it should be mentioned instead of throwing everything on the OL & his quick twitch receivers.
 
Playoffs said:
Andy's point was more Bortles is "methodical", which isn't a desirable trait in a QB.
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On the other hand, it's great if you are a QB that could use some rest on the turf at intervals in order to regain his wind while playing a long taxing game like football.:chef:
 
Yeah as wonder what his second year will be like full time with sixteen games.
 
I've seen several recent articles referring to "Dead Arm," trying to source it to "overuse" from throwing for so many straight years.
Blake Bortles' rookie struggles explained in part by 'dead arm' injury
By Frank Schwab July 2, 2015 4:40 PM Shutdown Corner
Blake Bortles played great in preseason games in August, then not so great late in the season long after he became the Jacksonville Jaguars' starting quarterback.

There are plenty of reasons, but apparently one that he was dealing with a "dead arm."

General manager Dave Caldwell told USA Today's Tom Pelissero about Bortles' dead arm issue, which makes it seem like Bortles was a starting pitcher in spring training. It's not an injury you hear about too often in football, though it happens. Bortles had shoulder inflammation, but it didn't require surgery. It did require Bortles to change his mechanics just to get velocity on the ball, Caldwell said.
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"Dead arm" is actually a distinct syndrome that you see in baseball players and (contrary to the article) in quarterbacks. It's main hallmark is an instability of the shoulder joint due to injury or recurrent injuries (such as those produced by dislocations and separations). Of course, "overuse" and/or poor mechanics will only serve to aggravate this condition. But once the condition along with accompanying inflammation has been identified, and conservatively treated with meds, injections, and prolonged rest, expect it to progress with resumption of repetitive, forceful motion and repeated blunt trauma to the shoulder joint as capped it off for Bortles when his shoulder was buried into the ground when he was taken down near the end of the season. If he is having these problems so early in his NFL career, don't be surprised by the announcement of a trip to surgery in the not too distant future.
 
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infantrycak said:
All I know is I keep rooting for him to suck because we passed.
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Have to agree here. He's actually the guy I would have drafted at #1 but I'd like him to suck to validate our choice. Him playing for the Jags helps as well. I think they made the right choice on their last head coaching hire so Bortles sucking could keep them down long enough for him to get fired before he can turn them around. I wouldn't complain at all about that.
 
ChampionTexan said:
And playing behind what was pretty much universally agreed to the the best O-Line in existence.

I think his point was that the combo of methodical QB and iffy O-Line has potential for disaster.
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Depends on whether you think slow is part of the definition of methodical. It's not although clearly some people consider that a connotation.

Trying to think of a good example - field stripping and reassembling say a .45. The fastest guy is using a very precise, ordered set of movements - textbook methodical.

So I don't automatically read slow into its usage.
 
infantrycak said:
Depends on whether you think slow is part of the definition of methodical. It's not although clearly some people consider that a connotation.

Trying to think of a good example - field stripping and reassembling say a .45. The fastest guy is using a very precise, ordered set of movements - textbook methodical.

So I don't automatically read slow into its usage.
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Well, I suppose he could have used some other word, but it's pretty clear Andy Benoit thinks the amount of time Blake Bortles takes to get a pass off could be a big problem for the Jags.
 
infantrycak said:
All I know is I keep rooting for him to suck because we passed.
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I don't worry enough about it to root one way or the other. He's going to suck, so I don't even think about it. In fact, there really isn't a QB in the 2013 or 2014 draft that I think is worth a first round pick, nor do I think any of them will turn out to be game changing QBs. Wouldn't surprise me if I feel the same way about the 2015 draft next year.
 
eriadoc said:
I don't worry enough about it to root one way or the other. He's going to suck, so I don't even think about it. In fact, there really isn't a QB in the 2013 or 2014 draft that I think is worth a first round pick, nor do I think any of them will turn out to be game changing QBs. Wouldn't surprise me if I feel the same way about the 2015 draft next year.
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Still, I hope he's good enough to give the Jags hope for the next 8 years.
 
eriadoc said:
I don't worry enough about it to root one way or the other. He's going to suck, so I don't even think about it. In fact, there really isn't a QB in the 2013 or 2014 draft that I think is worth a first round pick, nor do I think any of them will turn out to be game changing QBs. Wouldn't surprise me if I feel the same way about the 2015 draft next year.
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Teddy. I thought he was worthy of it then and that certainly hasn't changed one year in.

Not saying that to change your mind really, in fact I agree that the pickins have been slim. Just think that guy could make us look back and "d'oh".
 
Playoffs said:
I thought you preferred Khalil Mack?
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Mack was my #1 rated player, followed by Clowney at #2 and Bortles at #3.

But had I been in charge I would have gone with Bortles. I think Mack will be a better pro but in the right situation I think Bortles can be a franchise QB, which makes him more valuable.
 
bah007 said:
Mack was my #1 rated player, followed by Clowney at #2 and Bortles at #3.

But had I been in charge I would have gone with Bortles. I think Mack will be a better pro but in the right situation I think Bortles can be a franchise QB, which makes him more valuable.
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I had Clowney #1, Mack #2, and Bridgewater #3. We would have had one of Clowney/Mack and then traded up for Bridgewater had I been, hypothetically, making that call.
 
I wanted either Mack or Watkins and then Teddy. :(

All I can hope now is that Clowney can recover from this.
 
eriadoc said:
I don't worry enough about it to root one way or the other. He's going to suck, so I don't even think about it. In fact, there really isn't a QB in the 2013 or 2014 draft that I think is worth a first round pick, nor do I think any of them will turn out to be game changing QBs. Wouldn't surprise me if I feel the same way about the 2015 draft next year.
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Man, I can't shake the feeling that the Texans have the crappiest luck with timing on finding a solid QB.
 
Double Barrel said:
Man, I can't shake the feeling that the Texans have the crappiest luck with timing on finding a solid QB.
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We're not the only ones. It's not that uncommon, it's actually probably the norm in the NFL. While the Packers had Brett Favre 1992-2007, the Bears started 22 different QB's. And then the Packers moved on to Aaron Rodgers.

Between Troy Aikman and Tony Romo, the Cowboys had 10.

If Mallett/Hoyer/Savage work out, we'll actually be pretty lucky.
 
paycheck71 said:
We're not the only ones. It's not that uncommon, it's actually probably the norm in the NFL. While the Packers had Brett Favre 1992-2007, the Bears started 22 different QB's. And then the Packers moved on to Aaron Rodgers.

Between Troy Aikman and Tony Romo, the Cowboys had 10.

If Mallett/Hoyer/Savage work out, we'll actually be pretty lucky.
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yeah, I know, man. Patience is a virtue, but the tough part is having the patience that spans multiple seasons and having no 'light at the end of the tunnel'. We just won't know that we have THAT QB until we have him. It is tough trying to be optimistic about a new season when being pragmatic about it is the realization that we are missing some major components to be a viable contender.
 
Double Barrel said:
yeah, I know, man. Patience is a virtue, but the tough part is having the patience that spans multiple seasons and having no 'light at the end of the tunnel'. We just won't know that we have THAT QB until we have him. It is tough trying to be optimistic about a new season when being pragmatic about it is the realization that we are missing some major components to be a viable contender.
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Yep. Although, in truth, since the time Schaub's game went south, or roughly about the time Fat Albert crushed his foot, there have really only been a couple QBs they could have gotten that would be worth having right now. The only one they really should have gotten was Russell Wilson, but we all know what coaches think of height and there's a bit of hindsight in that determination anyway. The team either hasn't been in a position to get a QB worth a damn or the QBs available when they were weren't worth a damn. And I know it tests our patience, but I guess I'd rather have our situation than have a guy like Ryan Tannehill, Sam Bradford, Geno Smith, Mark Sanchez, EJ Emanuel, or even Teddy Bridgewater. I just don't see those guys becoming difference makers and perpetual unrealized hope at that position is a hell all unto itself.
 
eriadoc said:
Yep. Although, in truth, since the time Schaub's game went south, or roughly about the time Fat Albert crushed his foot, there have really only been a couple QBs they could have gotten that would be worth having right now. The only one they really should have gotten was Russell Wilson, but we all know what coaches think of height and there's a bit of hindsight in that determination anyway. The team either hasn't been in a position to get a QB worth a damn or the QBs available when they were weren't worth a damn. And I know it tests our patience, but I guess I'd rather have our situation than have a guy like Ryan Tannehill, Sam Bradford, Geno Smith, Mark Sanchez, EJ Emanuel, or even Teddy Bridgewater. I just don't see those guys becoming difference makers and perpetual unrealized hope at that position is a hell all unto itself.
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yep, I agree completely. It feels like a barren wasteland out there looking for QBs. My fear is being like the 'new' Cleveland Browns with a list of two dozen starting QBs since 1999. I honestly cannot comprehend how they keep up any sort of hope after so many years.
 
Ryan Tannehill and Teddy Bridgewater are two better scenarios than our current situation, imo.

I say that under the impression that Mallett can't gain traction as the starter.
 
Mollywhopper said:
Ryan Tannehill and Teddy Bridgewater are two better scenarios than our current situation, imo.
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Maybe, but I don't see either of them having a career better than Matt Schaub. I'm hedging a little, TBH, because frankly, I don't see either of them being as good as Matt Schaub.
 
eriadoc said:
Maybe, but I don't see either of them having a career better than Matt Schaub. I'm hedging a little, TBH, because frankly, I don't see either of them being as good as Matt Schaub.
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They will only be as good if they have fewer and less severe injuries.
 
Double Barrel said:
yep, I agree completely. It feels like a barren wasteland out there looking for QBs. My fear is being like the 'new' Cleveland Browns with a list of two dozen starting QBs since 1999. I honestly cannot comprehend how they keep up any sort of hope after so many years.
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I think an issue, the main issue , with teams like the Browns & Jags is that they don't know enough to put the right people in place & stick with them long enough to build a foundation... so it's like they are starting over every year.

With what's been available at QB right now, I think it's more important that we pick one & get to work.

I thought the Jags were really going to turn it around when they said they were going to sit Bortles for a year, build the team around Henne & swap Bottles on when he is ready. Imo that's what they should have done. Instead, their OL, WR, TE, & RBs are having to adjust how they do their job to compensate for the QB's learning curve.... nobody is doing their job "the right way"
 
thunderkyss said:
I think an issue, the main issue , with teams like the Browns & Jags is that they don't know enough to put the right people in place & stick with them long enough to build a foundation... so it's like they are starting over every year.

With what's been available at QB right now, I think it's more important that we pick one & get to work.

I thought the Jags were really going to turn it around when they said they were going to sit Bortles for a year, build the team around Henne & swap Bottles on when he is ready. Imo that's what they should have done. Instead, their OL, WR, TE, & RBs are having to adjust how they do their job to compensate for the QB's learning curve.... nobody is doing their job "the right way"
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IMO, this is a huge contributor to the lack of top end QB play in the league. There is no such thing as a long term plan right now unless it falls right into your lap (like Luck to the Colts).

The trend right now is that a new coach gets about three years to turn around a team, regardless of situation. So that means that whatever guy he tabs as "his" QB has to get on the field and provide results immediately. Because if he doesn't that coach is gone. This has led a lot of teams to either draft a QB and throw him out there before he is ready, or not waste valuable high draft picks on QBs and just tether themselves to average/below average veterans in the hopes that they can just keep their heads above water and win enough games to not get fired.
 
I just finished watching the first bit of the Jags & Steeler's game. Must say, I'm impressed with where Bortles is now, compared to what I saw at the end of the season. Looked like he was in command of the offense & well prepared for what the defense was trying to do.

Not "Scared of you" impressed, but "appreciative of the way the game should be played impressed".
 
Bortles is so baffling. That INT was a freshman mistake. Not even a rookie mistake. Take the damn sack and live to fight another a day. Sack beats a Schauby pick 6.
 
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