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Blake Bortles

Double Barrel said:
As a pure rookie sitting the bench, Young is not that example.

However, he is still a good example of how sitting behind legends and learning can really help mature and educate a young QB.

Young started in Tampa, but had no success. 3-16 record, 11 TDs, and 21 INTs does not reveal a future HoF player. It was his experience as Montana's backup where he was really forged into greatness.

Which was my basic point. Many of these young QBs would be better off if they could ride the bench for a couple of seasons before being thrown into the fire.
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It also helped Aaron Rodgers as well...
 
TB was by far my favorite qb in that class. Id have taken him #1.

I understood the clowney pick and I'm still excited to see him healthy, but when tb fell to the bottom of the first and Minnesota traded up for him, that hurt.

I thought bortles was ok, but I wouldn't have taken him over clowney.
 
bah007 said:
This is just my personal opinion, but I think there are two factors that combine to cause this. It's probably going to turn into a very long read as well, so my apologies.

1) The demand for QBs is higher than it has ever been. But the pool of qualified prospects is getting smaller due to the style of college offenses.

College coaches for the most part have figured out that it is much more efficient to take as many decisions as you can away from your 18-22 year old players. Not only are the coaches calling in the plays but they have also created a check system in which any checks or audibles come from the sideline instead of the field. This is better for the team because a coach with decades of experience is more likely to make the correct check than a 20 year old QB. But this is worse for the player in the long run because it stunts their growth in the mental part of the game. Because they are not forced to make these calls, they do not have to understand where or why the changes are being made.

2) Because NFL teams are being forced to take these QBs, they are having to simplify their own systems so they can get these guys on the field.

In today's NFL, a coaching staff gets maybe three years to build a team before you get the axe. So if the front office drafts a QB you need to get that guy on the field as soon as possible. You don't have time to let him sit and learn. The majority of them can not learn and play in a NFL offense right away. So you have to dumb it down for them so that they have a chance. Maybe even take some things from their college offense so that they can have some sort of familiarity.

The problem with this is that NFL defensive coaches are not morons. They are the best in the world at what they do. This young QB may very well have some early success in this simplified offense, because it makes his job very easy. But once defensive coaches get some film on them and learn the tendencies of the offense they are able to adjust. This is the cycle of football. Now the offense needs to adjust to break tendency, but they can't because they are babysitting their QB and he is not growing mentally.

That is why I think a lot of these guys are coming in and having instant success but they aren't able to sustain it. To continue to grow, the player needs to take some of the responsibility in their own development. And they can't do that if the coaching staff is constantly protecting them.
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Yup...these college offenses are designed to highlight athleticism. And on the college level where its all about talent and athletcisim, you can most days still over-power your opponent with sheer talent; such is the reason why these BCS schools dominate most of the smaller schools..they just have more talent per position.

As for Bortles, i saw in him what i've always saw..big strong kid with all the physical tools...just not sure about his decision making. He'll get better, but he'll be no more than a mid-tier guy...mid-level game manager.
 
Pressure, Surrounding Offense Forcing a Blake Bortles Regression in Jacksonville
I've waited a long time to talk about this topic, in the hopes that we wouldn't have to talk about it. But after another ugly performance that led the Jaguars to a grand total of three points against the Colts, it's time to acknowledge it: Quarterback Blake Bortles has regressed over the middle portion of the season.

Through Week 11's games, Bortles was dead last in Football Outsiders' DYAR among quarterbacks with 100 or more passes. After Week 12's numbers are tallied, he'll likely be pushing dead last in DVOA as well.

That's not something on the typical quarterback media narrative path, where a quarterback struggles and grows from it. But, here we are: The flashes that showed up in Bortles' first few starts of the season have gotten less and less frequent. Against Indianapolis last week, Bortles looked borderline Gabbertian, and I don't throw that term around lightly.

There hasn't really been one thing holding Bortles back—he's been a victim of many different issues: mechanics and footwork, coaching and timing, the talent of his teammates and his own skill set. There's plenty of blame to go around. Here are what I see as the main issues...
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Toward the end he touches on some of the concerns raised during the draft.
 
If we had a re-do, give me Mack at 1...trade up for teddy late in the 1st.


Edit: that article is from September.
 
Blake said:
17 interceptions in 12 starts? Ouch.
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He's curbing that, reducing the INTs, pulling it down, and subsequently taking more sacks.

I do think the coaching staff encouraged him to just cut it loose at the start -- and I'm not sure that was an issue for him. Really needs better players around him -- next year.
 
Albert Breer ‏@AlbertBreer
Jaguars announce they've fired offensive coordinator Jedd Fisch.
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I kinda hated the playcalling and felt like they let Bortles fall back into some bad habits.
 
Playoffs said:
Albert Breer ‏@AlbertBreer


I kinda hated the playcalling and felt like they let Bortles fall back into some bad habits.
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I never would have put my first round QB on the field with that guy steering the ship. I saw a bit of fear in Bortles Sunday... Hope it's not deeply instilled & he can shake it off.
 
Trap_Star said:
Bortles....the new coach killer? :stirpot:
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May be more valid than I thought at first.

Ryan O'Halloran ‏@ryanohalloran
Reading between the lines the last few weeks leading to Fisch's firing:

Player saying there was disconnect between Fisch and Bortles. Player saying Fisch-Bortles dynamic wasn't great on practice field in terms of teaching.

Be interesting to see fate of #Jaguars QB coach Frank Scelfo, whom Bortles is fond of.
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Ryan O'Halloran @ryanohalloran
Gus has become close with former Bears coach Marc Trestman in recent years so I'd put him at the top of the list.
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Now that would be a huge hire, imo.
 
Bortles was a Jaguar that got fed to the lions. Jacksonville should have picked up a vet. QB for a year, someone like Fitzpatrick, to allow Bortles some time to learn. Jacksonville also has a poor O-line, so he's got almost no protection. I hope they didn't do to him what the Texans did to Carr.
 
Texian said:
Aikman and Manning had more in their first year.
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Doesn't make the statistic sting any less for the Bortles fan. Not to mention, Aikman and Manning played their rookie ball in an era where you could actually play defense. Not this offensive driven NFL we have today where touching the QB and WR is frowned upon.

Also, didn't realize that I needed a disclaimer for that comment...but here we go... by pointing out that Bortles has 17 interceptions in 12 games his rookie season I am not suggesting that he will fail as a QB in the NFL. Just pointing out that he had a high INT ratio his rookie year which was only 12 starts.
 
Wolf6151 said:
Bortles was a Jaguar that got fed to the lions. Jacksonville should have picked up a vet. QB for a year, someone like Fitzpatrick, to allow Bortles some time to learn. Jacksonville also has a poor O-line, so he's got almost no protection. I hope they didn't do to him what the Texans did to Carr.
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What happened to Carr was pretty complex & took more than one season. I doubt Blake has reached that level of conditioning already.

However, the Jaguars have Chad Henne under contract. A younger, more talented Fitzpatrick, if you will. He was their back up last year, behind Blaine Gabbert. They won four games with Henne in 2013. If I were the head coach I'd have made Fisch prove he could put together a competent offense before I put Bortles in the game. Make him get the offense to where they were a QB away from being competitive.

But after a second season under Fisch, that offense was pathetic. They looked like an utter joke & for whatever reason they decided it was time for Bortles to take some snaps.

Don't get me wrong, Henne is not/was not the Jags savior. But he's all the QB I'd have entrusted to Jed Fischer.
 
Maybe in 4 years we, can pick up bortles that, last drive bortles did tho I thought he was going to crush our hopes with that 15 yard run
 
thunderkyss said:
If they're offering him the OC position, not much we can do to stop it right?
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Just give him a raise and the title. He calls most of the plays, anyway. GG not leaving OB to go to Jags to work on a staff that could be swept away next year or with a QB that had "differences with his OC" who then got fired.
 
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Just give him a raise and the title. He calls most of the plays, anyway. GG not leaving OB to go to Jags to work on a staff that could be swept away next year or with a QB that had "differences with his OC" who then got fired.
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If the Texans wanted to "protect" him, that's what they'd do right? Teams aren't allowed to talk to other coaches for lateral moves, but if they want to make him OC, that's a promotion. Texans can't stop them from talking to him.

Godsey would have to tell them no, which he might.

But Godsey isn't a young man. He most likely has HC aspirations & being an OC would help. Why wait for the Texans & the quirky NewEngland "OC, but not really" thing?
 
thunderkyss said:
If the Texans wanted to "protect" him, that's what they'd do right? Teams aren't allowed to talk to other coaches for lateral moves, but if they want to make him OC, that's a promotion. Texans can't stop them from talking to him.

Godsey would have to tell them no, which he might.

But Godsey isn't a young man. He most likely has HC aspirations & being an OC would help. Why wait for the Texans & the quirky NewEngland "OC, but not really" thing?
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They changed the rules a few years back, and now all assistant coaches are created equal. That is to say, the only promotion that requires a team acquiesce to a request to interview one of their assistants is to head coach. Other than that, if an assistant is under contract, the team always has the right to say no.

And I don't know what you're talking about when you say Godsey isn't a young man. He turns 36 in January. Even by coaching standards, that's pretty young.
 
ChampionTexan said:
And I don't know what you're talking about when you say Godsey isn't a young man. He turns 36 in January. Even by coaching standards, that's pretty young.
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Must've been rode hard & put up wet

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Bortles was not good. His first couple of games were alright but he was turning the ball over a lot. For all its worth Derek Carr looked way better on a team that had as little offensive talent as the Jags.

He could still turn it around and be a decent QB but his first season was really bad I dont care how many picks Aikman or Manning threw their rookie seasons.
 
b0ng said:
Bortles was not good. His first couple of games were alright but he was turning the ball over a lot. For all its worth Derek Carr looked way better on a team that had as little offensive talent as the Jags.

He could still turn it around and be a decent QB but his first season was really bad I dont care how many picks Aikman or Manning threw their rookie seasons.
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I thought he looked alright at times. Personally, I think if he was the QB on the Texans this year we for sure would be in the playoffs. I could be wrong, but I feel that way.
 
Texecutioner said:
I thought he looked alright at times. Personally, I think if he was the QB on the Texans this year we for sure would be in the playoffs. I could be wrong, but I feel that way.
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I agree with ya. With some good coaching and decent playcalling plus AJ and Deandre he'd have had a nice year
 
JB said:
I agree with ya. With some good coaching and decent playcalling plus AJ and Deandre he'd have had a nice year
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Well he makes a lot of nice runs too. Remember that one he had at the end of that last game. He almost ran that succer in for a TD. That play is what got the Jags in scoring position. He ripped off like 25 yards on that busted play.
 
If Bortles is judged on the same scale* as Texans quarterbacks are here, people would think he had a fine rookie campaign. I also think he'd have looked even better surrounded by the more talented Texans roster/coaching. He'd probably have carried them to the playoffs.



*he's allowed to make rookie mistakes, assume improvements happen over the next couple of seasons, hopes count like facts, etc. Heck, on the Texans scale we shouldn't even evaluate his play until three years have passed.
 
I think Bortles looked fine for a rookie and would have looked better here. His play did not jump out enough that I would predict any more wins if he had been a Texan, nor poor enough to project more losses.

This is a huge offseason. He needs to make a large jump here and then another the following.

Since these names have been brought up, rating jumps in years 2 and 3:

Manning 19.2 followed by 4
Aikman 10.9 followed by 20.1
Luck 11.5 followed by 9.5
 
Runner said:
If Bortles is judged on the same scale* as Texans quarterbacks are here, people would think he had a fine rookie campaign. I also think he'd have looked even better surrounded by the more talented Texans roster/coaching. He'd probably have carried them to the playoffs.



*he's allowed to make rookie mistakes, assume improvements happen over the next couple of seasons, hopes count like facts, etc. Heck, on the Texans scale we shouldn't even evaluate his play until three years have passed.
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Yeah, I find it completely hilarious considering that this site has probably been the the worst place of judging QB's I've ever seen or witnessed. I mean, when you consider the blind faith and potential that was put into Yates for like two years of endless dribble, the criticisms on Bortles is pretty laughable. Yates never looked good. People were actually arguing how he could possibly take us to the SB the year he came in when I told folks that are season was done as far as any SB aspirations the minute Schaub went down.

Then it got even worse with Case Keenum by the end of last season. That took the cake. Folks were in here all over the off season going on and on about him even after he couldn't win a single game last year and had no clue how to read a blitz. Now that the Texans barely won two games with him, I'm sure several of those posters will make their way back to the Keenum dreams somehow.

Just imagine if we were the Cardinals. Those same posters would be in here right now saying how their QB can possibly take them to the SB.
 
infantrycak said:
I think Bortles looked fine for a rookie and would have looked better here. His play did not jump out enough that I would predict any more wins if he had been a Texan, nor poor enough to project more losses.

This is a huge offseason. He needs to make a large jump here and then another the following.

Since these names have been brought up, rating jumps in years 2 and 3:

Manning 19.2 followed by 4
Aikman 10.9 followed by 20.1
Luck 11.5 followed by 9.5
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I don't see that happening man. I'm not sure that he is ready to make that kind of jump especially on that team. The Jags are such a black hole, although that doesn't mean a great young QB can't go there and turn that franchise around. I just don't see that franchise ever sustaining any consistent success unless they move. They aren't ever getting quality free agents, they don't draft well, and he doesn't seem to have any good receivers yet. I can't even tell you the name of their coach. Sure, guys like Manning or Luck could have gone over there and done much better but these are some of the best QB's of all time. Luck isn't yet, but I feel like he is going to be by the time he retires. That is one hell of a list to compare Bortles to as far as the benchmarks.

I just feel like he could have done well here with the current team we put on the field this year with the way he plays and under OB's tutelage. I don't thin he would have had great numbers or anything like that, but between his running abilities and the passing which can improve, I think it would have been a nice fit.
 
Texecutioner said:
I don't see that happening man. I'm not sure that he is ready to make that kind of jump especially on that team. The Jags are such a black hole, although that doesn't mean a great young QB can't go there and turn that franchise around.
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Certainly he can't turn it around by himself but then again I don't think the great QBs could either. Better sure but not turned into a good franchise without help around.

But back to the jump expectations. Even Carr on a pretty dysfunctional Texans managed to bump 20.7 over his 1st 2 offseasons. Of course that was his high point, but Bortles should display signs of personally "getting it."
 
Texecutioner said:
I don't see that happening man. I'm not sure that he is ready to make that kind of jump especially on that team. The Jags are such a black hole...
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It's always hard for me to judge our divisional opponents. I still remember way back when we'd always say they suck, but they'd always whup our asz. I don't know if it was because we overestimated our team, underestimated their team, or a combination of both.

I'm sure it's a combination of both.

Texecutioner said:
I just don't see that franchise ever sustaining any consistent success unless they move. They aren't ever getting quality free agents, they don't draft well, and he doesn't seem to have any good receivers yet.
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I thought this past offseason they did a pretty good job, both in FA & the draft. Marquis Lee & Albert Hurns are going to be pretty good. Red Bryant, Chris Clemons, Toby Gerhardt, Ziggy Hood, & I still like Posluzny from a while back.

What they need is an offensive mind, like Sean Payton, Kubiak, Turner, McCoy... getting rid of Fisch was a move in the right direction.

Texecutioner said:
I can't even tell you the name of their coach.
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Gus Bradley? The guy who coached the Seahawks Super Bowl winning defense? The reason they were able to get Clemons & Bryant?

The weren't as bad as the stats show. I think they'll be a team to reckon with, primarily because of their defense in 2016. If they can find the right guy to mold their offense, things can get real hairy in the AFC South.

Texecutioner said:
I just feel like he could have done well here with the current team we put on the field this year with the way he plays and under OB's tutelage. I don't thin he would have had great numbers or anything like that, but between his running abilities and the passing which can improve, I think it would have been a nice fit.
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definitely no worse than Fitzpatrick.
 
infantrycak said:
Certainly he can't turn it around by himself but then again I don't think the great QBs could either. Better sure but not turned into a good franchise without help around.

But back to the jump expectations. Even Carr on a pretty dysfunctional Texans managed to bump 20.7 over his 1st 2 offseasons. Of course that was his high point, but Bortles should display signs of personally "getting it."
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Yeah, but the QB's you mentioned with the exception of Aikman pretty much can turn it around by themselves. And I don't mean 'literally" by themselves, but their game is so good that guys like Luck and Manning can take average receivers and make them really good, and make good receivers get up to elite levels of play. Once that starts happening it creates momentum and confidence on an entire unit from an offensive perspective which also starts to make things easier for a defense once their offense starts putting up a lot of points. They aren't doing it by themselves, but their presence and excellence on the field can really really spread like a wildfire on a football team. We've seen a lot of examples of that in the past like when Montana went to KC, Manning went to a good and solid Denver team, and made them an elite team, Luck immediately made the Colts a playoff team after being like 1-15, Brady took a team that was considered slightly average all the way to the freaking SB in just his 2nd season, and look what he has done ever since.

With the Jags having such a poor fan interest and support from the fans and a lackluster owner who doesn't seem committed to winning, and the constant questions about the team relocating, well it is very difficult to see Bortles becoming a top tier QB over there. He doesn't have an excellent arm to begin with. He is more of a jack of all trades type of QB that has a lot of room to grow. I think him having a really really good QB coach and offensive mind is going to be vital for him. OB would have been a great guy for that in my opinion. Wisenhunt is another guy that could have been a great coach for him as well.
 
Sources with the Texans, Titans, and Colts all were disappointed that the Raiders didn't keep offensive coordinator Greg Olson. The reason is because he landed with the Jaguars, and they feel he will get Blake Bortles to make strides in year two.

Around the league, Olson is held in high regard, as he was able to engineer a great season out of Josh Freeman in 2010. Freeman flamed out in fewer than 20 games after Olson left Tampa Bay. As the Jaguars' quarterback coach in 2012, Blaine Gabbert even had a positive touchdown-to-interception ratio with an increase in completion percentage.

With the Raiders, Olson was able to win some games with Terrelle Pryor and Matt McGloin in 2013, before doing a masterful job of developing Derek Carr in Oakland last year. Sources say that Bortles should be ecstatic about Olson's hire, and the Jaguars should consider themselves lucky to land Olson, as the Bears and Rams were interested in getting him to come to their coaching staffs.
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http://walterfootball.com/seniorbowl2015rumors4.php
 
Cecil Shorts III heaped praise on Bortles today on SiriusXM (I think), saying he was going to be a superstar.
 
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