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Blake Bortles

aussie_texan said:
i don't think we should use brady for comparisons. he is such an anomaly
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I watched Brady play a heck of a lot more in College than Bortles, like it or not, he is just a stronger version, only question really is does Bortles possess the natural leadership skills?

I still prefer Bridgewater anyways, everything he does is fast including soaking up coaching & playbooks. I can really not compare him to any other QB. Teddy is more the anomaly!
 
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Texian said:
The NFL is a QB driven league and the Texans don't have a QB. Only one position in all of football is worth $20+ mil and that is a QB. As bad as things have been the Texans are still smart enough to understand this (let's hope so anyways). If not, whoa is we......
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I'd love to see a list of $20M QBs who won the Superbowl AFTER they were paid. I think it is counter productive to commit that many resources to one player, even the QB.

Aaron Rodgers $22M - Injured - Out in WC.
Matt Ryan $20.75M - Sitting at home.
Joe Flacco $20.1M - Sitting at home.
Drew Brees $20M - Won WC - Lost DIV.
Payton Manning $19.2M - In SB.
Jay Cutler $18.1M - Sitting at home.
Tony Romo $18M - Sitting at home.
Matt Stafford $17.7M - Sitting at home.
Eli Manning $16.25M - Sitting at home.
Matt Schaub $15.5M - Sitting at home.
Phillip Rivers $15.3M - Won WC - Lost DIV.
Ben Roethlisberger $14.7M - Sitting at home.
Mark Sanchez $13.5M - Sitting at home.
Sam Bradford $13M - Sitting at home.
Tom Brady $11.4M - Won DIV - Lost CONF

I see no correlation between QB spending and winning.
 
Marshall said:
I'd love to see a list of $20M QBs who won the Superbowl AFTER they were paid. I think it is counter productive to commit that many resources to one player, even the QB.

Aaron Rodgers $22M - Injured - Out in WC.
Matt Ryan $20.75M - Sitting at home.
Joe Flacco $20.1M - Sitting at home.
Drew Brees $20M - Won WC - Lost DIV.
Payton Manning $19.2M - In SB.
Jay Cutler $18.1M - Sitting at home.
Tony Romo $18M - Sitting at home.
Matt Stafford $17.7M - Sitting at home.
Eli Manning $16.25M - Sitting at home.
Matt Schaub $15.5M - Sitting at home.
Phillip Rivers $15.3M - Won WC - Lost DIV.
Ben Roethlisberger $14.7M - Sitting at home.
Mark Sanchez $13.5M - Sitting at home.
Sam Bradford $13M - Sitting at home.
Tom Brady $11.4M - Won DIV - Lost CONF

I see no correlation between QB spending and winning.
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If Seahawks win that means that it will be their last one if they give Wilson his big payday lol.
 
Marshall said:
I'd love to see a list of $20M QBs who won the Superbowl AFTER they were paid. I think it is counter productive to commit that many resources to one player, even the QB.
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That isn't even a semblance of an attempt to look at the matter objectively. Wilson is what? That's right an aberration that everyone is talking about as an aberration. Manning is one of the top paid QBs in the league.

On top of that, try looking at the ring holders and take your caps lock off. Aaron Rodgers was on his 2nd contract before winning the SB. Brees - paid before winning the SB. Eli before x 2. Big Ben was a top paid QB even on his rookie deal before winning the SB

I see no correlation between QB spending and winning.
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Try listing the paid in the bottom half of QBs who won and see if the forest doesn't magically appear for you.
 
Not sure if this really means much, but...

Kevin Hine ‏@Kevin_Hine 11h
The man responsible for recruiting Bortles to UCF was Geoff Collins. He was the TE coach at Georgia Tech for a year when Bill O'Brien was OC
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HOU-TEX said:
Not sure if this really means much, but...
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I think the bigger connection is obviously the George O'Leary connection.

One reason Bortles is a strong candidate is the connection between Houston Texans coach Bill O'Brien and UCF coach George O'Leary. O'Brien coached for seven years under O'Leary at Georgia Tech and maintains a close relationship with the Knights coach.

In a Q&A with the Houston Chronicle, O'Brien gave some indication that the relationship with O'Leary and his staff (O'Brien also coached with Charlie Taaffe at Maryland) could be paying early dividends in getting to know Bortles.

Asked about the Knights junior quarterback, here is what O'Brien told the Chronicle:


"Blake is a good-sized guy. He's an athletic guy for his size. He's an accurate passer. The guys who coached him at Central Florida think highly of him as a young man who really studies the game. He works hard at the game."
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http://www.orlandosentinel.com/spor...ien-ucf-blake-bortles-20140121,0,1935873.post
 
Marshall said:
I'd love to see a list of $20M QBs who won the Superbowl AFTER they were paid. I think it is counter productive to commit that many resources to one player, even the QB.

Aaron Rodgers $22M - Injured - Out in WC.
Matt Ryan $20.75M - Sitting at home.
Joe Flacco $20.1M - Sitting at home.
Drew Brees $20M - Won WC - Lost DIV.
Payton Manning $19.2M - In SB.
Jay Cutler $18.1M - Sitting at home.
Tony Romo $18M - Sitting at home.
Matt Stafford $17.7M - Sitting at home.
Eli Manning $16.25M - Sitting at home.
Matt Schaub $15.5M - Sitting at home.
Phillip Rivers $15.3M - Won WC - Lost DIV.
Ben Roethlisberger $14.7M - Sitting at home.
Mark Sanchez $13.5M - Sitting at home.
Sam Bradford $13M - Sitting at home.
Tom Brady $11.4M - Won DIV - Lost CONF

I see no correlation between QB spending and winning.
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Seesh. This year had 6 playoff teams with starting QBs on their rookie contract and 5 playoff teams from your highly paid list; leaving Alex Smith (lifetime earning over $70M and the Chiefs #1 priority right now is signing him to a contract extension that will greatly increase his salary in 2014 from the currently scheduled $7.5M) as your only bargain playoff QB.

With the exception of some broken QBs on your list (Schaub, Sanchez) the guys on your list give their teams a shot at the playoffs. Even though they didn't make it this year I think that the Steelers, Cowboys, Giants, Falcons, Bears, Lions, and Rams are in better shape at the QB position than the Titans, Jaguars, Browns, Raiders, Vikings, and well, Texans are.

The best QB in the draft doesn't have to be Manning or even Luck. If he can be Bradford or Stafford you better take him at 1.01. Otherwise you are playing the "hoping Henne or Pryor will be Montana or Brady" game. Good luck, they are usually John Beck.
 
OK ... this ones gonna be a little slower for you know who . :smooch:

"Time with Bortles"

If I could spend time with Bortles
The first thing that I'd like to do
spend everyday, him throwing passes my way
Just let him run offense from Florida

If I could make days last forever
If words could make wishes come true
I'd savor every day the Texans said You
Again, they would have to draft a RT too

But there never seems to be enough time
To do the things you want to do, when defenses are fierce
I've looked around enough to know
That you're the one I want to go through all our timeouts with

If I had a box just for wishes
And dreams that had never come true
The box would be empty, except for the memory of how
I really wanted the Texans picking you :heart:
 
Jake L ‏@Jake_TSV 4h

@Zepp1978 I'd be ok with Bortles. I know it's a huge risk, but I think OB could pull it off and make him the next Roethlisberger.

@THEREALALLENOU @Zepp1978 I'm telling you this emphatically; Bortles is better coming out of college than Locker.

Here's the thing about "Reach at 1". If he's your guy, and you know he wouldn't be there at 33, it's not a reach.
 
Honoring Earl 34 said:
OK ... this ones gonna be a little slower for you know who . :smooch:

"Time with Bortles"

If I could spend time with Bortles
The first thing that I'd like to do
spend everyday, him throwing passes my way
Just let him run offense from Florida

If I could make days last forever
If words could make wishes come true
I'd savor every day the Texans said You
Again, they would have to draft a RT too

But there never seems to be enough time
To do the things you want to do, when defenses are fierce
I've looked around enough to know
That you're the one I want to go through all our timeouts with

If I had a box just for wishes
And dreams that had never come true
The box would be empty, except for the memory of how
I really wanted the Texans picking you :heart:
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reaching back for a Croce is excellent man. Kudos
 
Texian said:
Jake L ‏@Jake_TSV 4h

@Zepp1978 I'd be ok with Bortles. I know it's a huge risk, but I think OB could pull it off and make him the next Roethlisberger.

@THEREALALLENOU @Zepp1978 I'm telling you this emphatically; Bortles is better coming out of college than Locker.

Here's the thing about "Reach at 1". If he's your guy, and you know he wouldn't be there at 33, it's not a reach.
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Who's talking to who in these things?
 
Texian said:
Jake L ‏@Jake_TSV 4h

@Zepp1978 I'd be ok with Bortles. I know it's a huge risk, but I think OB could pull it off and make him the next Roethlisberger.

@THEREALALLENOU @Zepp1978 I'm telling you this emphatically; Bortles is better coming out of college than Locker.

Here's the thing about "Reach at 1". If he's your guy, and you know he wouldn't be there at 33, it's not a reach.
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No doubt. If he's considered to be the top QB and the staff thinks he is franchise QB worthy, it's no reach.
 
Texian said:
Jake L ‏@Jake_TSV 4h

@Zepp1978 I'd be ok with Bortles. I know it's a huge risk, but I think OB could pull it off and make him the next Roethlisberger.

@THEREALALLENOU @Zepp1978 I'm telling you this emphatically; Bortles is better coming out of college than Locker.

Here's the thing about "Reach at 1". If he's your guy, and you know he wouldn't be there at 33, it's not a reach.
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Heard him compared to Gabbert today :kitten:
 
Texian said:
Bortles is head and shoulders above Locker in Completion %, TD to INT ratio, QB rating and last possession/game winning drives.
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Very similar skill set but further along in his development. Definitely the better prospect but the comparison holds weight, I think.
 
bah007 said:
Very similar skill set but further along in his development. Definitely the better prospect but the comparison holds weight, I think.
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I see nothing wrong with the comparison at all. Locker was a good shot at getting a franchise QB. Just didn't work out. Had he gone to a team with a functioning offense or defense, he very well could have been a franchise QB.

Bad luck that he went to possum holler
 
thunderkyss said:
I see nothing wrong with the comparison at all. Locker was a good shot at getting a franchise QB. Just didn't work out. Had he gone to a team with a functioning offense or defense, he very well could have been a franchise QB.

Bad luck that he went to possum holler
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It's just too bad he didn't weigh more so he wouldn't have gotten injured so easily.

:kitten:

I keed. I keed.
 
thunderkyss said:
I see nothing wrong with the comparison at all. Locker was a good shot at getting a franchise QB. Just didn't work out. Had he gone to a team with a functioning offense or defense, he very well could have been a franchise QB.

Bad luck that he went to possum holler
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Really?

Accuracy and pocket composure aren't important in a NFL QB?

Dude was a poor college QB.
 
thunderkyss said:
I see nothing wrong with the comparison at all. Locker was a good shot at getting a franchise QB. Just didn't work out. Had he gone to a team with a functioning offense or defense, he very well could have been a franchise QB.

Bad luck that he went to possum holler
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I liked Locker coming out of Washington. His big issue was that he didn't develop at all the last two years he was in school. He was very raw and too reliant on his athleticism coming into the NFL. I would've drafted him with the understanding that he probably isn't playing at all his first two years. Especially since they had Hasselbeck.

I don't think he is a lost cause. He has tools. They just need to be refined. He has improved by baby steps each year. But I don't think franchise QB is in his future either.
 
bah007 said:
I liked Locker coming out of Washington. His big issue was that he didn't develop at all the last two years he was in school. He was very raw and too reliant on his athleticism coming into the NFL. I would've drafted him with the understanding that he probably isn't playing at all his first two years. Especially since they had Hasselbeck.

I don't think he is a lost cause. He has tools. They just need to be refined. He has improved by baby steps each year. But I don't think franchise QB is in his future either.
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I actually thought Locker was starting to develop over the last year and a half, but his chronic injuries have stunted his growth. He's about to reach the point of no return.
 
Some quotes on the Texans from Walter Football's draft rumor page:

1/24: "Still early but source beleves if its up to Bill O'Brien expect Blake Bortles/UCF at 1st pick or Zach Mettenberger/LSU at the top of rnd 2." - Tony Pauline

1/24: "Bortles is also a Bill O’Brien type of passer and Houston is a franchise in desperate need of a signal caller. The owner would prefer Johnny Manziel." - Tony Pauline
 
MistaRed said:
Some quotes on the Texans from Walter Football's draft rumor page:

1/24: "Still early but source beleves if its up to Bill O'Brien expect Blake Bortles/UCF at 1st pick or Zach Mettenberger/LSU at the top of rnd 2." - Tony Pauline
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Not that I've settled my mind or anything, but it's nice to know they aren't "in love" with any particular player right now...
 
Texian said:
Jake L ‏@Jake_TSV 4h

@Zepp1978 I'd be ok with Bortles. I know it's a huge risk, but I think OB could pull it off and make him the next Roethlisberger.

@THEREALALLENOU @Zepp1978 I'm telling you this emphatically; Bortles is better coming out of college than Locker.

Here's the thing about "Reach at 1". If he's your guy, and you know he wouldn't be there at 33, it's not a reach.
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Deleted. Misunderstood who was the person talking.
 
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I don't get the Roethlisberger comparisons. The thing that makes Ben Ben, is that he holds onto the ball, he's hard to get on the ground, & he's always looking for the big play.


I don't see that with Bortles. All his size... he goes down pretty easy.
 
thunderkyss said:
I don't get the Roethlisberger comparisons. The thing that makes Ben Ben, is that he holds onto the ball, he's hard to get on the ground, & he's always looking for the big play.


I don't see that with Bortles. All his size... he goes down pretty easy.
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I have not seen that. I have seen a guy that moves around very well and can scramble. He is a good size and he plows forward from what I have seen. And he throws a pretty nice deep ball and is very capable of big plays. Big Ben wasn't some passing guru when he entered the NFL either. You're taking in hind sight of what he became. Hell, Ben isn't an elite passer now or even close either. He can play though. He has been a winner and been consistent at it. I definitely think that Bortles has a very similar skill set to Big Ben.
 
Gil Brandt ‏@Gil_Brandt 2m

Bumped into @BBortles5 at #SB48. Looks like Big Ben in body, Leinart in face. Top10 pick, No. 2 QB behind Manziel pic.twitter.com/TFCI2vHvQy
 
One of these guys is an NFL prospect, the other is a hot tub tester...

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"I just think that when I see him personally and see what a strong guy he is, he looks just like Ben Roethlisberger did when he came out of college 10 years ago," Brandt said. "And I think that strength part of the QB position is really important in the NFL, because guys that are built strong aren't as likely to get hurt as guys who are thinner like Teddy Bridgewater."

Bortles told "Super Bowl Live" he checks in at just over 6-foot-5 and currently weighs 235 pounds, attributes that were on display in a 34-31 win over Penn State in 2013. Bortles threw for 288 yards and three touchdowns with one interception in what ended up as an inadvertant audition to be the No. 1 overall pick, as new Houston Texans head coach Bill O'Brien was on the other sideline leading the Nittany Lions.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap20...now-no-2-qb-behind-johnny-manziel-brandt-says
 
I'm not going to argue against the idea that bigger guys like Bortles tend to be more protected from injury than smaller guys like Bridgewater.

But does anyone else see the irony in the comparison to Roethlisberger, a guy who has only played all 16 games twice in ten years?

He mentions how size and strength are important to prevent getting hurt, and then mentions the one big QB who is hurt all the time.
 
bah007 said:
But does anyone else see the irony in the comparison to Roethlisberger, a guy who has only played all 16 games twice in ten years?

He mentions how size and strength are important to prevent getting hurt, and then mentions the one big QB who is hurt all the time.
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Upon further review, Big Ben has started 142 games out of a possible 160 games. That is DURABLE for most NFL QBs and really doesn't meet with your characterization and exaggeration of "one big QB who is hurt all the time."
 
bah007 said:
...He mentions how size and strength are important to prevent getting hurt, and then mentions the one big QB who is hurt all the time.
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Big Ben's size and strength allow him to stay in the pocket longer/extend plays because he's tougher to bring down. His unwillingness to fold may contribute to his injuries.

I'm not sure that automatically translates to any 6'5", 235 lb. QB, though.
 
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Texian said:
Upon further review, Big Ben has started 142 games out of a possible 160 games. That is DURABLE for most NFL QBs and really doesn't meet with your characterization and exaggeration of "one big QB who is hurt all the time."
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Of those a few were "missed" early on when he was healthy but not the starter until Maddox got injured. He also missed time due to the motorcycle accident and appendectomy. Hard to see how those reflect on his football durability.
 
Texian said:
Upon further review, Big Ben has started 142 games out of a possible 160 games. That is DURABLE for most NFL QBs and really doesn't meet with your characterization and exaggeration of "one big QB who is hurt all the time."
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I think he missed 4 games due to suspension for the whole "rape" thing.
 
infantrycak said:
Of those a few were "missed" early on when he was healthy but not the starter until Maddox got injured. He also missed time due to the motorcycle accident and appendectomy. Hard to see how those reflect on his football durability.
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Dutchrudder said:
I think he missed 4 games due to suspension for the whole "rape" thing.
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All very good points which further suggest Big Ben is far more durable on the football field than off.
 
Texian said:
"I just think that when I see him personally and see what a strong guy he is, he looks just like Ben Roethlisberger did when he came out of college 10 years ago," Brandt said. "And I think that strength part of the QB position is really important in the NFL, because guys that are built strong aren't as likely to get hurt as guys who are thinner like Teddy Bridgewater."

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap20...now-no-2-qb-behind-johnny-manziel-brandt-says
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What an idiot. This guy is not a doctor and shouldn't be viewed as one. He's a guy that has a platform to say whatever he feels like, but is clearly (EDIT) someone that is not as qualified as a doctor to speak on this.

He's an 80 year old man set on his ways. He's like those scouts that laughed at Brad Pitt in Moneyball because it was something new and innovative he was introducing.

I remember "BIG Ben" almost dying because of an injury suffered on the football field just over a year ago.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...y-major-rib-injury-reported-potentially-fatal

Let's speak about truths related to size and not need to break out our resident Dr's to sort truth to it again that some will never accept/respect.

He can see the full field of vision and he will be a beast to take down coupled with his ability to run. He's a talented young super old looking man.

In other news, we now have "trusted" sightings of Bortles #1. This goes along with the others we have seen with TB #1, Manziel #1, Clowney #1, and a trade down scenario, and a trade for Mallet scenario. Obviously all of these are from "trusted" sources... obviously.

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/9320/blake-bortles

http://www.sportsonearth.com/articl...oach-bill-obrien-has-his-work-cut-out-for-him
 
TexansFTW said:
What an idiot. This guy is not a doctor and shouldn't be viewed as one. He's a guy that has a platform to say whatever he feels like, but is clearly (EDIT) someone that is not as qualified as a doctor to speak on this.

He's an 80 year old man set on his ways. He's like those scouts that laughed at Brad Pitt in Moneyball because it was something new and innovative he was introducing.

I remember "BIG Ben" almost dying because of an injury suffered on the football field just over a year ago.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...y-major-rib-injury-reported-potentially-fatal

Let's speak about truths related to size and not need to break out our resident Dr's to sort truth to it again that some will never accept/respect.

He can see the full field of vision and he will be a beast to take down coupled with his ability to run. He's a talented young super old looking man.

In other news, we now have "trusted" sightings of Bortles #1. This goes along with the others we have seen with TB #1, Manziel #1, Clowney #1, and a trade down scenario, and a trade for Mallet scenario. Obviously all of these are from "trusted" sources... obviously.

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/9320/blake-bortles

http://www.sportsonearth.com/articl...oach-bill-obrien-has-his-work-cut-out-for-him
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Gil Brandt is the most prolific innovative scout ever to be associated with the NFL. There is a saying that says, wisdom is lost on the youth. The above post is a perfect example.

I shake my head :toropalm: and wonder whenever I see folks dismiss Brandt but then are all to happy to jump in bed and believe anything and everything Todd McShay, Mel Kiper, Matt Miller and the dozens of other wannabe's running around masquerading as scouts have to say about anything or anyone.
 
Texian said:
Gil Brandt is the most prolific innovative scout ever to be associated with the NFL. There is a saying that says, wisdom is lost on the youth. The above post is a perfect example.

I shake my head :toropalm: and wonder whenever I see folks dismiss Brandt but then are all to happy to jump in bed and believe anything and everything Todd McShay, Mel Kiper, Matt Miller and the dozens of other wannabe's running around masquerading as scouts have to say about anything or anyone.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiAHlZVgXjk

No one on this website takes those other one's as truth. Much of us read what they say, take it for what it's worth and process it against what we believe to be truths. I am saying he is not a doctor. Show me his MD and I will retract my statement. I can ask any 80 year to throw generalizations and stereotypes out there, doesn't mean I should believe them because they've seen it before.

Montee Kiffin used to be a pretty legit coach, then the game changed, and he didn't change with it. Now he's an "assistant head coach of the defense" AKA about to be fired next year.
 
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Texian said:
Gil Brandt is the most prolific innovative scout ever to be associated with the NFL. There is a saying that says, wisdom is lost on the youth. The above post is a perfect example.

I shake my head :toropalm: and wonder whenever I see folks dismiss Brandt but then are all to happy to jump in bed and believe anything and everything Todd McShay, Mel Kiper, Matt Miller and the dozens of other wannabe's running around masquerading as scouts have to say about anything or anyone.
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Brandt is really good but he's not the best ever. If you've been around for awhile you know who that designation belongs to.
 
TexansFTW said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiAHlZVgXjk

No one on this website takes those other one's as truth. Much of us read what they say, take it for what it's worth and process it against what we believe to be truths. I am saying he is not a doctor. Show me his MD and I will retract my statement. I can ask any 80 year to throw generalizations and stereotypes out there, doesn't mean I should believe them because they've seen it before.

Montee Kiffin used to be a pretty legit coach, then the game changed, and he didn't change with it. Now he's an "assistant head coach of the defense" AKA about to be fired next year.
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How many doctors have seen the QBs that Brandt has seen. He is not diagnosing a disease, but giving an opinion based on YEARS of NFL experience. Does it still apply? Maybe and maybe not. But past experience is usually a good starting point.
 
Dishman said:
BWAHAHA!!! I thought "It's gonna be...", and then I thought "Nah, that's unpossible...", and then I finally looked and said "No sh&t?"
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A healthy Schaub was a pretty good QB. Problem was his best years didn't coincide with the rest of the teams. :gun:
 
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