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Looks like consensus is between Bowers & Fairley picks #5 & #6. I would have to lean slighlty towards Bowers (6-4 275 DE) in measureable department (Fairley 6-5 298 DT) think Fariley gets tied up more than Bowers in NFL match-ups hence makes more impact. However inside tackles who can make plays are worth weight in gold. Sometimes I wonder if a positional coach has input when cross comparing notes with scouting team in or before the War Room. I'm sure Kollar would love him some Fairley.
 
beerlover said:
Looks like consensus is between Bowers & Fairley picks #5 & #6. I would have to lean slighlty towards Bowers (6-4 275 DE) in measureable department (Fairley 6-5 298 DT) think Fariley gets tied up more than Bowers in NFL match-ups hence makes more impact. However inside tackles who can make plays are worth weight in gold. Sometimes I wonder if a positional coach has input when cross comparing notes with scouting team in or before the War Room. I'm sure Kollar would love him some Fairley.
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I am fine with Bowers 5, but we also have to remember that there are 2 franchise signal callers still on the board, and an Oklahoma State WR that has been phenomenal this year.
 
Super Mario said:
I am fine with Bowers 5, but we also have to remember that there are 2 franchise signal callers still on the board, and an Oklahoma State WR that has been phenomenal this year.
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I could see a QB needy team like the Cards,49ers,Raiders etc... moving up into the top 5 and taking Locker and Mallett.

There could be a trading frenzy at the top of the draft.

Do you have Julio Jones or Blackmon rated higher?

Is this a Texans big board or a overall big board? If it's a Texans big board I could see the Texans rating Fairley higher than Bowers. Although that's not the way I would rank them.
 
Boy am I glad I am not looking for a QB this year, after Luck there is a huge drop off. For you guys to be calling Mallett and Locker top 10 picks in any draft point to a draft with very little talent.

Both of those guys are overrated, and I know some team desperate for a QB will reach and try to make one of them a savior. See what happens to the teams that have done that in the past, David Carr, JaMarcus Russell, and Alex Smith.
 
painekiller said:
Boy am I glad I am not looking for a QB this year, after Luck there is a huge drop off. For you guys to be calling Mallett and Locker top 10 picks in any draft point to a draft with very little talent.

Both of those guys are overrated, and I know some team desperate for a QB will reach and try to make one of them a savior. See what happens to the teams that have done that in the past, David Carr, JaMarcus Russell, and Alex Smith.
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Agreed

I think Locker has a chance to be good not great, certianly not a top 10 pick. Picking Mallett would scare the heck out of me. How many 6'7 QB's have been successful in the NFL? He has good but not great accuracy and terrible footwork. IMHO He does have a rocket arm though and I'm sure some team will fall in love with Mallett at the combine.

If I were a GM and needed a QB. I would go the safe route and give Philly a call on Kolb. A 2011 2nd and 3rd and a 2012 3rd should get the deal done and that might be over paying.

But if I were a QB away like Oakland or not so much Arizona that would not bee to much of a price to pay. IMHO
 
steelbtexan said:
I could see a QB needy team like the Cards,49ers,Raiders etc... moving up into the top 5 and taking Locker and Mallett.

There could be a trading frenzy at the top of the draft.

Do you have Julio Jones or Blackmon rated higher?

Is this a Texans big board or a overall big board? If it's a Texans big board I could see the Texans rating Fairley higher than Bowers. Although that's not the way I would rank them.
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Blackmon. I like his hands, and athleticism better than Jones who has questionable hands.

I thought it was an overall big board. Cause it doesnt make sense to have Luck at the top when we have Schaub. (Yeah yeah i know some would take Luck and trade Schaub)
 
Yeah, Locker and Mallett are no longer franchise QBs in my eyes. Both have too many question marks.

Bowers at 5, Fairly at 6.
 
steelbtexan said:
I could see a QB needy team like the Cards,49ers,Raiders etc... moving up into the top 5 and taking Locker and Mallett.

There could be a trading frenzy at the top of the draft.

Do you have Julio Jones or Blackmon rated higher?

Is this a Texans big board or a overall big board? If it's a Texans big board I could see the Texans rating Fairley higher than Bowers. Although that's not the way I would rank them.
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I'm tasking all of you to help create a NFL Big Board which reflects the Best Player Available OVERALL who is draft eligible or expected to be draft eligible in 2011. If we can come up with a pure board based on talent we can use it later in Mock Drafts to determine likely position, team needs & draft order.
 
1. Andrew Luck, QB, Stanford - 6'4 - 235
2. Patrick Peterson, DB, LSU - 6'1 - 222
3. A.J. Green, WR, Georgia - 6'4 - 212
4. Prince Amukamara, DB, Nebraska - 6'1 - 205
5. Da'Quan Bowers, DE, Clemson - 6'4 - 280
6. Nick Fairley, DT, Auburn - 6'5 - 298

thanks rmartin65 for resolving this issue, I could go either way.

So here you guys go, we're on to the #7 overall pick. remember the goal is to determine the best player on the board who will likely apply to the 2011 draft. Blackmon for instance is a Sophomore & not eligible. It's going to get real tricky now so we need everybody to contribute. thanks

BL
 
beerlover said:
Blackmon for instance is a Sophomore & not eligible. It's going to get real tricky now so we need everybody to contribute. thanks

BL
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Isnt Blackmon a redshirt sophomore? IE 3years removed?

I think the next few that we should consider are:

Blackmon
Ryan FREAKING Mallett
Marcell Dareus
 
Super Mario said:
Isnt Blackmon a redshirt sophomore? IE 3years removed?

I think the next few that we should consider are:

Blackmon
Ryan FREAKING Mallett
Marcell Dareus
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I stand corrected. Blackmon is draft eligible, redshirted as freshman makes him draft eligible in 2011. In that case I would have no issue ranking him high @ #7.
 
beerlover said:
I stand corrected. Blackmon is draft eligible, redshirted as freshman makes him draft eligible in 2011. In that case I would have no issue ranking him high @ #7.
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Julio Jones is probably kicking himself by not playing up to his potential, and getting passed up by Blackmon. I think Blackmon is fine anywhere from 7-10.
 
Mallett has bust written all over him. Strong arm, but makes dumb choices. I see shades of Leaf in his game/persona.

As far as at 7, I like Quin. Dude has skills comparable to Peppers, and was not suspended due to character.
 
rmartin65 said:
Mallett has bust written all over him. Strong arm, but makes dumb choices. I see shades of Leaf in his game/persona.

As far as at 7, I like Quin. Dude has skills comparable to Peppers, and was not suspended due to character.
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I cant say for certain he will be an all pro or a bust. I will agree that he made some poor choices in the Bama game, that pretty much lost them the game. But he did lead his team to a 10-2 record in the SEC, losing to Auburn, and Alabama. 3600 yards, 30 TD's and 11 INT's. Has the cannon you spoke of, and VERY good size. 6'6" 228.
 
Super Mario said:
I cant say for certain he will be an all pro or a bust. I will agree that he made some poor choices in the Bama game, that pretty much lost them the game. But he did lead his team to a 10-2 record in the SEC, losing to Auburn, and Alabama. 3600 yards, 30 TD's and 11 INT's. Has the cannon you spoke of, and VERY good size. 6'6" 228.
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He looks great on paper, I agree. And in 90% of his play, he looks great as well. Its just under high pressure scenarios, he collapses. He is not a player I would take a risk on in the top 10. Same with Locker, not a top 10 guy.

Now, I would snatch either of them in the 2nd. In a heartbeat. While Schaub is not without flaws, he is a good NFL QB. Mallett or Locker could be groomed for 2 years, and then step in with nary a problem.
 
rmartin65 said:
As far as at 7, I like Quin. Dude has skills comparable to Peppers, and was not suspended due to character.
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Quinn didnt play a down this year. Do we think its a good idea to have an unknown @#7? That is too big of a risk for someone this early. I think teens would be best.
 
beerlover said:
I'm tasking all of you to help create a NFL Big Board which reflects the Best Player Available OVERALL who is draft eligible or expected to be draft eligible in 2011. If we can come up with a pure board based on talent we can use it later in Mock Drafts to determine likely position, team needs & draft order.
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Thanks for the clarification
 
Super Mario said:
Quinn didnt play a down this year. Do we think its a good idea to have an unknown @#7? That is too big of a risk for someone this early. I think teens would be best.
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True, but he was top 1 or 2 before the suspension. The kid is the next great talent at DE, people are comparing him to Peppers.
 
rmartin65 said:
True, but he was top 1 or 2 before the suspension. The kid is the next great talent at DE, people are comparing him to Peppers.
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classic arguement elite playmaker with off field issues. talent wise everything you look for in a top 5 pick but with red flags he is sliding somewhere risk does not outweigh the reward, to a lesser degree with Cam Newton & Blackmon. the trick is to project which guys game transcends next level while keeping focused with big contract. For these reasons, of the three I would project Blackmon to be a guy people will feel should have gone earlier when all is said & done. He is a man playing amongst boys.
 
beerlover said:
classic arguement elite playmaker with off field issues. talent wise everything you look for in a top 5 pick but with red flags he is sliding somewhere risk does not outweigh the reward, to a lesser degree with Cam Newton & Blackmon. the trick is to project which guys game transcends next level while keeping focused with big contract. For these reasons, of the three I would project Blackmon to be a guy people will feel should have gone earlier when all is said & done. He is a man playing amongst boys.
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Quinn is a hard worker. Who has overcome a hard upbringing (poor)

He did take $$$ from an agent but look at somebody like Bush or VY who went to UT for 3 yrs and scored a 6 on the Wunderlich.

It is what it is.

But Quinn's background tells me he more like Deacon Jones than Sean Jones.
 
I don't hand top 10 money to a kid who has shown zero maturity and total selfishness. That is my opinion of most of the Carolina guys who were suspended.

time for one of the following

Marcel Dareus
Allen Bailey
Stephen Paea
Adrian Clayborn
 
So it is done.

1. Andrew Luck, QB, Stanford - 6'4 - 235
2. Patrick Peterson, DB, LSU - 6'1 - 222
3. A.J. Green, WR, Georgia - 6'4 - 212
4. Prince Amukamara, DB, Nebraska - 6'1 - 205
5. Da'Quan Bowers, DE, Clemson - 6'4 - 280
6. Nick Fairley, DT, Auburn - 6'5 - 298
7. Marcell Dareus, DT, Alabama - 6'3 - 306


Moving on to #8 overall. My vote goes to Justin Blackmon, WR, Oklahoma State
 
Texan4Ever said:
About Peterson, the guy has game and is a great cover corner, however, he's listed at 220-lbs, don't yall think that's too heavy for a CB?
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I think he can be a match-up nightmare for teams #1. otherwise might see some deep safety work & show off his playmaking skills. like Ed Reed.
 
beerlover said:
So it is done.

1. Andrew Luck, QB, Stanford - 6'4 - 235
2. Patrick Peterson, DB, LSU - 6'1 - 222
3. A.J. Green, WR, Georgia - 6'4 - 212
4. Prince Amukamara, DB, Nebraska - 6'1 - 205
5. Da'Quan Bowers, DE, Clemson - 6'4 - 280
6. Nick Fairley, DT, Auburn - 6'5 - 298
7. Marcell Dareus, DT, Alabama - 6'3 - 306


Moving on to #8 overall. My vote goes to Justin Blackmon, WR, Oklahoma State. Other names to consider would be DE Robert Quinn, North Carolina, QB Cam Newton, Auburn.
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lets keep it going guys, deceide these players order. that would make a solid Top 10 Draft Board. Then we can start ranking 11- 20 prospects, beginning with Cameron Jordan, Cal, DE.
 
My votes go to:

Justin Blackmon #8
Ryan Mallett #9
Von Miller #10

Not a big Newton in the top #10 fan. Quinn would be 11-15 for me.
 
What about Paea?
And is there no OT in the top 10?
How high should Jenkins be?
Clayborn?
 
Super Mario said:
My votes go to:

Justin Blackmon #8
Ryan Mallett #9
Von Miller #10

Not a big Newton in the top #10 fan. Quinn would be 11-15 for me.
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like him or not he will be a top 10 pick we just need to come to a consensus. It's not hard to project him having a huge Vince Young moment against the Oregon Ducks in the BCS game. Ducks are not a very good defense & there is precident from last years Rose Bowl when they got out physical by Ohio State & Terrel Pryor (26-17). Pryor, not close to Cam in passing department went 23/37 for 266 yards & 2 TD's also had 20 rushing attempts for 72 yards. I fully expect Cam to surpass those numbers on heels of his landside Heisman win http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=5909569
 
beerlover said:
like him or not he will be a top 10 pick we just need to come to a consensus. It's not hard to project him having a huge Vince Young moment against the Oregon Ducks in the BCS game. Ducks are not a very good defense & there is precident from last years Rose Bowl when they got out physical by Ohio State & Terrel Pryor (26-17). Pryor, not close to Cam in passing department went 23/37 for 266 yards & 2 TD's also had 20 rushing attempts for 72 yards. I fully expect Cam to surpass those numbers on heels of his landside Heisman win http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=5909569
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Thats fine. Just giving my 2 cents. I think people will be scared off by his immaturity, and scandal if you will, yet I do believe that some team will snatch him up in the middle of the round. But if yall want to put him top 10 then thats fine too.
 
Super Mario said:
Thats fine. Just giving my 2 cents. I think people will be scared off by his immaturity, and scandal if you will, yet I do believe that some team will snatch him up in the middle of the round. But if yall want to put him top 10 then thats fine too.
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don't take this the wrong way, you are one of this boards excellent talent evaluators & I respect your opinion. these are the same discussions that need to transpire to simulate the conversations in draft war rooms & scouting departments. Was Vince Young worth the #3 overall pick in the 2006 draft? alot of Houston Texans fans feel he was, however those few are becomming less & less vocal with events transpired in Tennessee. The other player I would compare Cam to is Ben Roethlisberger who the Texans passed on with the 10th pick in 04 in favor of Dunta Robinson despite having David Carr as the starting QB.

I'm leaning towards assigning Cam the 10th spot. Which leaves Blackmon/Quin as favorites to go #8 & #9 but as stated would like more input from members to come to a consensus. Blackmon pro comp is Andre while Quin is Peppers both deserving selections.
 
I think #8 is too high for Blackmon. I see him more as a 15-20 guy. I would not put any WR other than Green in the top 10. Maybe Paea or Clayborn at #8. Or maybe even Quinn.
 
JB said:
I think #8 is too high for Blackmon. I see him more as a 15-20 guy. I would not put any WR other than Green in the top 10. Maybe Paea or Clayborn at #8. Or maybe even Quinn.
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Clayborn had a down year and IMO #8 is to high for Paea, so on talent alone Quinn would be a logical choice if we decide to keep Blackmon for later.
 
Texan4Ever said:
Clayborn had a down year and IMO #8 is to high for Paea, so on talent alone Quinn would be a logical choice if we decide to keep Blackmon for later.
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done!

1. Andrew Luck, QB, Stanford - 6'4 - 235
2. Patrick Peterson, DB, LSU - 6'1 - 222
3. A.J. Green, WR, Georgia - 6'4 - 212
4. Prince Amukamara, DB, Nebraska - 6'1 - 205
5. Da'Quan Bowers, DE, Clemson - 6'4 - 280
6. Nick Fairley, DT, Auburn - 6'5 - 298
7. Marcell Dareus, DT, Alabama - 6'3 - 306
8. Robert Quinn, DE, North Carolina - 6'5 - 268
 
I think Mallett is in the 20's unless he really impresses here on out.
 
Way to early for Mallett, IMO.

Miller is also to early.

I am thinking Newton needs to be in around 10, so 9 is not to out line, but no way I take him at 9 or 10, Micheal Vick he is not.

So I like Blackmon , Paea and Clayborn.

As for the OTs, I'm not lock into my ranking of them yet. I'm waiting for the Senior Bowl to be a better fix on them.

But one of them should be on our list around now Castonzo, Sherrod, Solder, Carimi and Love should all be 1st rounders. Pick one.
 
Does everyone think Blackmon is that much better than Julio Jones?
 
JB said:
Does everyone think Blackmon is that much better than Julio Jones?
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IMO Blackmon maybe raw but has #1 measureables. Julio is more refined, very good route runner, good hands & plus size but somthing tells me he is best suited to fill in the #2 role & primary red zone target. Julio would actually be a good fit for the Texans, would be an excellent compliment to Andre Johnson.
 
beerlover said:
IMO Blackmon maybe raw but has #1 measureables. Julio is more refined, very good route runner, good hands & plus size but somthing tells me he is best suited to fill in the #2 role & primary red zone target. Julio would actually be a good fit for the Texans, would be an excellent compliment to Andre Johnson.
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I really think that right now, Blackmon is a mid-twenties pick. I think he probably goes back to school next year.

I think Jones may be a 15-20 pick.

For pick # 9, perhaps it's time to look at the top OT's. You know for sure that come draft time, someone will be there.
 
JB said:
I really think that right now, Blackmon is a mid-twenties pick. I think he probably goes back to school next year.

I think Jones may be a 15-20 pick.

For pick # 9, perhaps it's time to look at the top OT's. You know for sure that come draft time, someone will be there.
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I would flip those but suffice to say we will agree to leave him (Blackmon) out of the Top 10.

Concerning OT's I just don't see one rated higher than say a Michael Oher, who was selected by the Ravens #23rd overall pick in 09. I still think one of the QB's already discussed & another DE maybe?
 
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