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What are your thoughts on day 1?

(Edit: There was supposed to be a poll.)

Choice 1: Happy with Cushing, but not Barwin
Choice 2: Happy with Barwin, but not Cushing
Choice 3: Happy with both
Choice 4: Happy with neither
 
Personally, I'm keeping an open mind. I was looking for more run stopping ability and attitude in a front 7 defender and we got that in Cushing. Barwin seems to be a heck of an athlete and I'll just have to be patient and see what unfolds on the field. I'm most interested to see what back we choose to compliment Slaton now.
 
gtexan02 said:
What are your thoughts on day 1?

(Edit: There was supposed to be a poll.)

Choice 1: Happy with Cushing, but not Barwin
Choice 2: Happy with Barwin, but not Cushing
Choice 3: Happy with both
Choice 4: Happy with neither
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I'm happy.... the more I got to think about it, I'm very happy.

I was saying a while back, how every year we say we're going to improve our pass rush, and make one move to do so.

This year, we get a new DC, we pick up Antonio Smith, we pick up a SAM backer, and we pick up a speed rusher.... I think we'll have a very improved pass rush. I think we're getting serious about the pass rush.
 
I'm 'pleased' with both. I really wanted us to trade down in the 1st round and then take one of the safeties when they were there in the 2nd round. With that said, I do like how we upgraded the front 7 with true hardworking blue collar football players.

I like Cushing's quote that went something like, 'I'm ready to get my hands on the playbook'. It really sounds like he's a guy the Texans really liked all along, so that makes me more comfortable. Also from what Bush said, it seems the phone may have actually rang- wonder if we got a trade down offer, but we obviously didn't want to risk missing out on Cushing.

Barwin pick surprised me but he's an extremely athletic player and seems like a really good hard working kid. Should be a good pass rusher for us.
 
I think Barwin and Cushing go well together.
Cushing is a low risk type of player. Barwin is a lot of potential.

if we had gone matthews in round 1, I would have been very disappointed with Barwin in round 2. Two high ceiling, high risk guys are not a good way to build through the draft

At the same time, the way weve done it, I think we're setting ourselves up for a decent outcome at the least, excellent possibily
 
2.5

Love Barwin, but have a lot of concern with Cushing's injury history, steroid allegations, and that he may have already peaked as just a quality NFL starter.

I don't absolutely hate the pick, but I'm not really happy with it either.
 
thunderkyss said:
I'm happy.... the more I got to think about it, I'm very happy.

I was saying a while back, how every year we say we're going to improve our pass rush, and make one move to do so.

This year, we get a new DC, we pick up Antonio Smith, we pick up a SAM backer, and we pick up a speed rusher.... I think we'll have a very improved pass rush. I think we're getting serious about the pass rush.
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Well put, I'm definitely very pleased with both picks. We got better against the run and pass, and quite a bit more athletic. Still some holes on D but I feel like these two guys will be productive and part of the solution.
 
I'm happy about the positions that we addressed, but the two guys we chose weren't my favorite prospects. I'm not a real big Cushing fan, and I really don't know enough about Barwin to form an opinion. Sure, I watched Barwin's highlight video, but honestly the tackle from Pitt he was going up against is a joke. Terrible offensive lineman. It only shows two plays from the VT game, and a couple from the Rutgers game so I really don't think I can place alot of faith in that video.

If these guys pan out we did a fantastic job because we picked two positions we were in desperate need of.
 
Initial Reactions:

Cushing: Meh.
Barwin: Okay I guess. (after I figured out he wasn't a pure TE as they said on nfl.com)

I'm improving my mood on Barwin to "I like this guy."

On a scale of 1 to 10, I'd say 6.3
 
they werent exactly the players i wanted but i'm pretty happy overall with our first day. we got good value, positions of need (defense lol), and all of the correct adjectives are there for both cushing and barwin. hard worker, high motor, intense, good character, tough, blue collar, etc etc. we got what we wanted and needed with high football IQ and athleticism on defense that matches our scheme very well so i for one have nothing to complain about.
 
I am happy with both. Yes, I had other players in mind, but in the end I am glad we improved our front 7 big time giving us a better chance to get off the field on third downs.

Along with Vinny I think the Texans get their RB in round 3 and am interested in who they pick.
 
option 3...im happy about both of them, a little worried about Cushings durability. but i'll trust Kub and the FO. In a perfect world I would have loved Jenkins in the 1st
 
PRESSURE, PRESSURE, PRESSUE.

I'm happy. I think our D really improved today. Now lets get a DB and an RB tomorrow and I'll be bouncing off the walls.
 
All good here. Excited to see what we do tomorrow and how the change in philosophy and the addition of players impact our defense.
 
The last time you did that, you took out a lamp, broke the oven, set fire to the couch, and broke down Mrs. Beselowski's door...
 
I bet Barwin gets at least 4 sacks. Cushing will lead the team in TFL and possibly tackles too. Throw in 2 sacks and a couple fumble recoveries as well.
 
I too like our 1st two picks...Cushing will bring a mean streak that our "D" lacks. Barwin is a very versatile player that can play on both sides of the ball...great value there...so far so good...bring on day two:fans:
 
3.

I like the picks. I would have been happy with any of the 3 USC LBs. It would have been great to have traded down, but if it wasnt' there you gotta take the best guy on your list. I think Barwin could be a Vrabel clone and could be a blocking TE for the team as well as a pass rusher.

For day 2 they have 6 picks to improve upon today. I still wouldn't mind seeing:

Running back to tandem with Slaton.
Added depth/upgrade in the secondary.
Depth to OLine.
 
Very nice day for the Texans. I like both picks. I keep reading about how injury prone Cushing is on some posts. Remember the other guy that was a concern with coming out of college - Adrian Peterson. Not saying that Cushing will have that kind of impact on the NFL (although I hope he does), but just because he was injured a lot in college means nothing now.
 
I'm a 3, I like both. I think Barwin may end up at OLB, and not DE.

I know a lot of people are saying who is this guy, but I have to admit bieng happy about Mario, Spencer, and Winston, yest saying who is this Ryans guy Daniel Owens guy?!?!?!?!? Look at that turned out!!!!

I'm hoping for Caldwell, and Brown to be there in 3 and 4.
 
I absolutely love the Cushing pick, I think he's totally underrated. I remember watching him 2 seasons ago vs Oregon and just saying, "wow". He's not like most other highly drafted LB's who just make a lot of tackles, he makes PLAYS. A beast, most definitely.

As for Barwin. I am not particularly fond of the selection. Personally, I felt like he was really overrated...I question his strength at the point of attack as well as his arsenal of pass rush moves. I do really like how he can play offense and that he works his rear off, though.
 
I'm very happy with both players they are both Freakish athletes especially DE - Conner Barwin I think that the Texans deserve an A for the first day. The Defense just got a lot more athletic and we can blitz from a lot of different angles now because of the speed that we have now.
 
i'm ok with these picks - i was really expecting us to use our 2nd pick to improve our secondary.

but our front 7 now is a lot more explosive which is much needed as well.
 
Don't like the Cushing pick at all. Not only does he have a history of injuries but he seems like he is at his ceiling with little upside. Then when you add the steroid rumors and the fact that he played amongst so much talent at USC, I worry if he can make the transition.

As for Barwin, he seems like a guy that may be able to develop into a quality pass rusher. Probably would have drafted William Moore at that point, but I wanted either Barwin or Moore at that point and the Texans drafted one of them, so it wasn't a total loss.

I hope Cushing works out for us, but I just have a bad feeling about this guy.

Hopefully the Texans will wake us all up with a little Coffee tomorrow morning.
 
Ole Miss Texan said:
I bet Barwin gets at least 4 sacks. Cushing will lead the team in TFL and possibly tackles too. Throw in 2 sacks and a couple fumble recoveries as well.
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I like them both. The closer we get to thirty five sacks the closer we'll get a Home feild play off game. Gonna be fun watching Bush play with his new toys.
 
kastofsna said:
Miami got 2 good DB's and Pat White, i'm pretty excited to see what the Wildcat will do next year
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Well befor the draft I guessed we'd lose the Miami game. Now they have a QB....who can throw acurately....running the damn thing. Drop the safety in the box....you're going to get burned and burned badly. As long as he can stay healthy....the spread has landed in the NFL.
 
From what I've read on these two, I like them both. But it doesn't mean anything anyway until we can start seeing them play in a Texans uniform.

On paper I'm pleased with our first draft day. :)
 
Nothing too dramatic in the Texans draft. It's good to finally be on that position. If I watched enough football to have an opinion on Barwin, I probably wouldn't be married.
 
I've gone from storming around the living room muttering dumb pick over and over to being positively beaming about the whole thing.

I think it was the Romanowski comparisons that won me over.
 
SF49erFaithful said:
Oh yeah, I'm also stoked on day 1 because Al Davis gave us Crabs.
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i'm still dumbfounded. crabtree was arguably the best player in the draft, and al davis picks ... ummmmm i dont even remember the kid's name (the second rounder was even worse lol). 9'ers fans should send oakland a big thank you card - you just landed a kid that's going to work his butt off to be mentioned with jerry rice and has the talent to take the #1 spot in training camp. crab doesnt have the insane physical ability of andre johnson, but his game is very similar and probably has better hands.
 
Scooter said:
i'm still dumbfounded. crabtree was arguably the best player in the draft, and al davis picks ... ummmmm i dont even remember the kid's name (the second rounder was even worse lol). 9'ers fans should send oakland a big thank you card - you just landed a kid that's going to work his butt off to be mentioned with jerry rice and has the talent to take the #1 spot in training camp. crab doesnt have the insane physical ability of andre johnson, but his game is very similar and probably has better hands.
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Reports are that Crabtree had a real attitude at oakland as well as with other teams. He may have even said something negatively about oakland publicly too. That will piss a team off real fast. That's gotta be why oakland passed on him and maybe some other teams as well.

I think Crabtree is a great WR but the problem is his attitude/selfishness. He reminds me of Terrell Owens and I think he could end up being very similar, for better or worse.
 
after letting it sit for a bit, the thing i'm pretty excited about with Cushing is that he seems much more firey that I thought. Much more mean streak-ish. I can see that really rubbing off on the LB core if not the whole defense. At times, it seemed in the past that Demeco and Johnson were the only guys that would really explode with excitement after a big play. Mario's sack's are a different stage.

But I can see Cushing bringing that quality and that appeals to me. Connor Barwin I've been excited about since the combine and althought there may not be enough tape for us, it's clear he's explosive and athletic.

I'm please, but of course, would have prefered to trade down.
 
I think we settled when we drafted Cushing..its an adequate settle because we needed another LB. I believe that once Jenkins was gone it was BPA time.

Barwin is baffling..didnt these guys trade Babin? so they draft another one... how many early round DEs does that make???? 5 or 6? and they have hit on two Williams and Bulman.

I am not buying the he was a steal and he has tremendous upside..sorry been burned before.
 
I guess I'm in category 4 - happy with neither. I'm not really unhappy about them, but neither makes me say "I'm so glad that's the pick we made then". I don't think either was a reach, but I think we had better options at both picks.

In the first, I didn't think LB was as big of a need (I think I'm in the minority here) as other areas. I'd have much rather traded down, or if we were staying there, picked Oher. I don't believe that we couldn't have traded down, just that we might not have gotten full "value." Still, had we traded down (for anything), we would have had a bunch of good players to choose from. I'd take about any of the picks from #21-28 (except Harvin), and I don't think they'd be much less value than Cushing. Cushing is OK, but I thought we could have gotten more out of the pick.

In the 2nd, Barwin was again OK value, and I do think we needed a pass rushing specialist. But, we ended up getting somewhat of a "project" player that we will need to mold into whatever we want. I'd have preferred someone more established, and I think we might have been able to get that (minus the special teams abilities and flexibility to play other positions that Barwin brings) later on. We passed on both Unger (who I was sold on as a strong prospect in our ZBS) and William Moore (who seemed to be a good safety candidate), both in areas that were needs. Again, Barwin is OK, but, like Cushing, I wouldn't say I'm "happy" with the pick.
 
granted i dont know a whole lot about barwin, but i dont see the comparrison to babin outside of skin color and being projected as possible 3-4 OLB's. while not as polished obviously, i'd put him more like robert mathis as an undersized end who's explosive and used as a specialist - though barwin's versatility makes him a player kubiak covets.
 
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spurstexanstros said:
I think we settled when we drafted Cushing..its an adequate settle because we needed another LB. I believe that once Jenkins was gone it was BPA time.

Barwin is baffling..didnt these guys trade Babin? so they draft another one... how many early round DEs does that make???? 5 or 6? and they have hit on two Williams and Bulman.

I am not buying the he was a steal and he has tremendous upside..sorry been burned before.
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Go away! It's not that you are being critical about the pick, it's that you have no freakin' clue what you're talking about.

A few tidbits for you to try to absorb :

1. Bulman was not drafted in the early rounds
2. Babin was drafted by Casserly and coached by Capers and co.
3. Barwin is the second (Mario) DE drafted on the first day by Kubiak and the first drafted by Rick Smith
4. The fact that Barwin plays DE and he's white doesn't mean that he's going to be the same failure as Babin. That is probably the dumbest argument I've ever heard.

Why don't you talk about why Barwin won't be good and how he's like Babin? Lining up a couple random sets of circumstances and drawing a conclusion based on that is worthless information and makes you look ridiculous.
 
Ole Miss Texan said:
Reports are that Crabtree had a real attitude at oakland as well as with other teams. He may have even said something negatively about oakland publicly too. That will piss a team off real fast. That's gotta be why oakland passed on him and maybe some other teams as well.

I think Crabtree is a great WR but the problem is his attitude/selfishness. He reminds me of Terrell Owens and I think he could end up being very similar, for better or worse.
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I had never heard of Crabtree having attitude problems before, so I hope they're not true. Here is what Leach, Texas Tech's HC had to say about it; take it for what it's worth.

"People don't realize the depth and commitment he has." Leach described Crabtree as "shy and reserved." In fact, he said, "There's no diva in him. He's too shy."
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I also though this piece was funny :whip:

There was a report this week that Cleveland coach Eric Mangini was rubbed the wrong way by Crabtree's personality on a recent visit. Leach ripped into Mangini for not doing his homework on Crabtree. Leach said he never spoke to Mangini. "Let's see how those non-divas in Cleveland do (this season)."
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http://blog.pressdemocrat.com/49ers/2009/04/is-it-draft-day-already-hanging-out-in-49erland.html
 
spurstexanstros said:
I think we settled when we drafted Cushing..its an adequate settle because we needed another LB. I believe that once Jenkins was gone it was BPA time.

Barwin is baffling..didnt these guys trade Babin? so they draft another one... how many early round DEs does that make???? 5 or 6? and they have hit on two Williams and Bulman.

I am not buying the he was a steal and he has tremendous upside..sorry been burned before.
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This guy ran a 4.47 at his pro day, he can backpedal faster than Babin could run. I'm curious who you would have liked us to draft at that spot.
 
I was hoping to get Jenkins, but I'm happy with Cushing....I like what I see of Barwin so far, I think he will be an upgrade to our special teams.
 
keyser said:
I guess I'm in category 4 - happy with neither. I'm not really unhappy about them, but neither makes me say "I'm so glad that's the pick we made then". I don't think either was a reach, but I think we had better options at both picks.

In the first, I didn't think LB was as big of a need (I think I'm in the minority here) as other areas. I'd have much rather traded down, or if we were staying there, picked Oher. I don't believe that we couldn't have traded down, just that we might not have gotten full "value." Still, had we traded down (for anything), we would have had a bunch of good players to choose from. I'd take about any of the picks from #21-28 (except Harvin), and I don't think they'd be much less value than Cushing. Cushing is OK, but I thought we could have gotten more out of the pick.

In the 2nd, Barwin was again OK value, and I do think we needed a pass rushing specialist. But, we ended up getting somewhat of a "project" player that we will need to mold into whatever we want. I'd have preferred someone more established, and I think we might have been able to get that (minus the special teams abilities and flexibility to play other positions that Barwin brings) later on. We passed on both Unger (who I was sold on as a strong prospect in our ZBS) and William Moore (who seemed to be a good safety candidate), both in areas that were needs. Again, Barwin is OK, but, like Cushing, I wouldn't say I'm "happy" with the pick.
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Keyser, I share your sentiments about the LB position. I thought we were pretty deep there and had quite a bit of potential. That being said, Cushing does fill our weakest LB position: SAM... so, I feel better about his selection than if we'd taken Clay Matthews. I was really hoping for a trade down.. but I realize I'm a bit of a lunatic for extra picks and it probably isn't always the best thing to do. Clearly they really liked Cushing and I don't really have a reason to dispute the pick right now.

Regarding Barwin, I really like this pick. I was hoping for Unger or one of the safeties but I got quickly on board with this one. You are right that he's a bit of a project. However, the only way an elite talent like his gets into the second round are character issues, injury issues, or being a project. I'll take the elite talent that is a project. The great thing, though, is that it is only his lack of experience that makes him one. Watching him on tape and listening to him, he is clearly a football player. He understands the game and was a very quick study last season. He was a much better player in November than he was in September. Furthermore, he will still be an immediate asset for the team on passing downs and on special teams. So, he will still make us immediately better even though he has some work to do before he becomes a complete player. I love this pick!

I am a little nervous about today. We really need a C/G, a RB, and a S... There are plenty of quality players out there at those positions so it'll be interesting to see what we do. I think trading a 4th or 5th in 2010 is a possibility in order to move up or get an additional pick today.
 
Jackie Chiles said:
This guy ran a 4.47 at his pro day, he can backpedal faster than Babin could run. I'm curious who you would have liked us to draft at that spot.
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Maybe a young, possibly, dominating center named Unger? He was taken two picks later. Could possibly have been the backup center, long snapper and maybe backed up a Guard position.

*Not knocking who we picked*
 
I'm not exactly thrilled, and would have preferred a combo of Everett Brown and Maualuga or Lauranaitis. Since the two LB's with unspellable names went before we picked in the second, this would have required some wheeling and dealing, but I do think that combo beats the one we got. Then again what do I know? I wanted Moreno.
 
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