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Are the McNairs gullible?

steelbtexan

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It wouldn't take a good GM 2 to 3 years to take out the trash. A good GM would've cleaned the entire house in year one, 2021. If Caserio learned from Belichick why did he do the exact opposite in salary cap management and managing the draft?

Collins is not top tier talent. if he was he would've been long gone before RD 3. He is a dime a dozen middle round pick. Pep Hamilton thought it necessary to move up to take an average and ordinary college WR. Caserio thought it was necessary to pay twice the price to move up.
The time frame is what we're disagreeing on and likely will never agree on.

We also disagree on Collins, his talent was well worth where he was drafted. IMHO He got hurt, it happens.
 

Thorn

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Read the following and then consider who are the gullible ones. Hint: it's not pro sports teams owners, it's all of US, the average taxpayer that prioritizes spectator sports over critical infrastructure.



Do the math. The Texans pay $4 million/year to lease the stadium. Since 2002, that's around $76 million. In that same span of time, the Texans have reported net revenue in the hundreds of millions.

Just reported in June 2021:



Winning and losing games is secondary to the primary reason why Bob McNair spent $700 million to buy a team. NFL franchises are cash machines, even for the football illiterate owners.

We are the gullible ones that continue to buy their tickets, watch their games, buy the merch, and waste our time promoting their terrible product.
It's a world wide trend, not just in the USA. The rich are getting richer, the poor are getting poorer, and the middle class is evaporating away.
 

Texian

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Why is it so relevant to you?
Because creating more cap space not less is the responsible and right thing to do. It makes a team more competitive not less. Especially in the first year of rebuilding. And because creating more draft picks creates more players and more younger players not less, is the responsible and right thing to do. It makes a team more competitive not less. Not just in the first year of rebuilding but every year. A pattern the Patriots stop doing when Caserio was Director of Player Personnel as Bob Kraft has indicated.
 

steelbtexan

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Because creating more cap space not less is the responsible and right thing to do. It makes a team more competitive not less. Especially in the first year of rebuilding. And because creating more draft picks creates more players and more younger players not less, is the responsible and right thing to do. It makes a team more competitive not less. Not just in the first year of rebuilding but every year. A pattern the Patriots stop doing when Caserio was Director of Player Personnel as Bob Kraft has indicated.
Did the Belichick follow your model last offseason after Caserio was gone and Wolf took Caserio's job in Foxboro?
 

thunderkyss

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We dont know, I'm guessing he will have learned from Belichick and be cap responsible.
I'm not ready to concede he screwed the cap next season. He did not approach it the way some of us wanted. Dang sure not the way I wanted.

I'm not happy about it. I wouldn't have done all the things he did the way he did. But if it works, it works.
 

mws

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I don't know about gullible but certainly incompetent.

From a strictly football view they have have been relevant in the league only 2 out of 20 years (2011-2012).

From a financial view paying 2 or 3 GMs at the same time (Smith, Gaines) & extending O'Brien so that when he is fired they still owe him years of pay is certainly not good business. I have no idea how much is coming out of their pocket going to people no longer with the team but I strongly suspect double digit millions. Of course this money does not effect the salary cap but it does effect their bottom line.

So in just my uniformed opinion whatever success they have had has been in spite of them not because of them.
 

leebigeztx

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They won't be the oldest next year or especially in 2 years.

The contracts are mostly 1-2 yr deals.
In 2 yrs? Those are dog years in the NFL. Look at the rebuilding teams and tell me where and how the Texans are going to beat them there when 75% of the roster is under contract funnily 2023?
 

thunderkyss

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Look at the rebuilding teams and tell me where and how the Texans are going to beat them there when 75% of the roster is under contract funnily 2023?
So what teams are we talking about? Who is actually rebuilding?

Jets, Jags, Panthers maybe... they've been rebuilding for 5 years, maybe longer.

Which teams are you talking about?
 

steelbtexan

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In 2 yrs? Those are dog years in the NFL. Look at the rebuilding teams and tell me where and how the Texans are going to beat them there when 75% of the roster is under contract funnily 2023?
Let's see, say you have 7 starters currently on the roster that you retain. Would you say it would be impossible to find 14 upgrades including 5 star level players, knowing that you will have 4 top 100 picks in 2022 and 2023 plus a possible three 1sts for Derrick (Thanks Koolaid Sipper) and a couple of vets say like Howard and Phillips from the Dophins?
 

steelbtexan

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So what teams are we talking about? Who is actually rebuilding?

Jets, Jags, Panthers maybe... they've been rebuilding for 5 years, maybe longer.

Which teams are you talking about?
Ruhle has rebuilt that team into a solid team in 2 yrs and they will improve the OL/CB's in next yrs draft.
 

leebigeztx

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Let's see, say you have 7 starters currently on the roster that you retain. Would you say it would be impossible to find 14 upgrades including 5 star level players, knowing that you will have 4 top 100 picks in 2022 and 2023 plus a possible three 1sts for Derrick (Thanks Koolaid Sipper) and a couple of vets say like Howard and Phillips from the Dophins?
You cant show me 7 players on this roster now who should be on the roster 2 yrs from now which is the problem. Why would the Dolphins give up 2 of their better players when they know you have to trade Watson? They're kicking the can because they were afraid to do what they should've done once they decided they weren't going to force Watson to play. Keep only players graded high at their position, keep all rookie deal players, add sub 25 yr old players. Repeat the process until the roster is young and cheap
 

steelbtexan

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You cant show me 7 players on this roster now who should be on the roster 2 yrs from now which is the problem. Why would the Dolphins give up 2 of their better players when they know you have to trade Watson? They're kicking the can because they were afraid to do what they should've done once they decided they weren't going to force Watson to play. Keep only players graded high at their position, keep all rookie deal players, add sub 25 yr old players. Repeat the process until the roster is young and cheap
Tunsil/Cooks/Collins/Brown

Heck/Ohmenihu/Collins/Reid/KGH/Maybe Greenard

Punter and if they're lucky Mills
 
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steelbtexan

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One of the best statements that illustrate just how bad Caserio's rebuilding plan has been. Up to this point the Caserio Plan has been an exercise in futility.
Let's see what things look like after the trash gets taken out.
 

Texian

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Let's see what things look like after the trash gets taken out.
I thought the whole purpose of creating $24 million dead cap money this year was a result of taking out the trash. And the purpose of restructuring contracts that amounted to over $30 million was to restock the cupboard, fill out the roster and replace all of the discarded trash. So what you're telling us now is Caserio replaced all the trash with more trash and now he has to take out all the trash he brought in this year?
 
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steelbtexan

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I thought the whole purpose of creating $24 million dead cap money this year was a result of taking out the trash. And the purpose of restructuring contracts that amounted to over $30 million was to restock the cupboard, fill out the roster and replace all of the discarded trash. So what you're telling us now is Caserio replaced all the trash with more trash and now he has to replace all the trash he brought in this year?
What I'm telling you is in 2 years there will probably only be 5 guys still on the team that are on this yrs team and there should be plenty of cap space available. Particularly because God'ell got in bed with the gamblers and the players that currently are on the team that are cut/ traded will create cap space.

That's if Caserio does the right things. Obviously I'm hoping he will do the right things and you have little faith in him.
 

TexansBull

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Read the following and then consider who are the gullible ones. Hint: it's not pro sports teams owners, it's all of US, the average taxpayer that prioritizes spectator sports over critical infrastructure.



Do the math. The Texans pay $4 million/year to lease the stadium. Since 2002, that's around $76 million. In that same span of time, the Texans have reported net revenue in the hundreds of millions.

Just reported in June 2021:



Winning and losing games is secondary to the primary reason why Bob McNair spent $700 million to buy a team. NFL franchises are cash machines, even for the football illiterate owners.

We are the gullible ones that continue to buy their tickets, watch their games, buy the merch, and waste our time promoting their terrible product.
It is worth a debate that should tax payers should be funding these stadiums that bring in other economic activity or should the billionaire who owns the team? Or is it the elected officials to be prudent with tax dollars to rebuild infrastructure?
 

TexansBull

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It wouldn't take a good GM 2 to 3 years to take out the trash. A good GM would've cleaned the entire house in year one, 2021. If Caserio learned from Belichick why did he do the exact opposite in salary cap management and managing the draft?
He is doing the same thing Belicheck did.

From what I recall the Texans are going to have a huge cap surplus either next year or the following. Just like the Patriots did this past year. And just like Belicheck did in signing a bunch of premium free agents this past year Caserio will have the cap space to do the same. And just like Belicheck had limited draft picks in the years prior to the 2021 draft, Caserio was also in the same position with limited draft picks last year.

It’s open to opinion on how he is managing the cap, drafting players, and signing free agents.

Give me an example of another GM that walked into a team with as many bad contracts the Texans had, and limited draft picks, and a top 5 QB who wanted a trade but had a no trade clause and was potentially going to jail? Did that guy rebuild in a year?

Rome wasn’t built in a day.
 

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Give me an example of another GM that walked into a team with as many bad contracts the Texans had, and limited draft picks, and a top 5 QB who wanted a trade but had a no trade clause and was potentially going to jail? Did that guy rebuild in a year?
You're making an argument no one is arguing. Caserio knew he had limited draft picks. Then traded half of them, some for vets that won't be here next year. And some picks for guys who didn't make the team. He knew there wasn't a lot of talent to build on. Then signed a bunch of guys that won't be here in a year or two with money he borrowed from future years.

This is not how a rebuild is done. The excuse is, so what? The team won't need the cap room next year. We aren't ready to sign big $$$ guys. I agree with that. So push the cap room into the next year. At some point, the team will need that cap space. My main concern is, how will Caserio operate going forward? Revert to signing young players that can grow with the team and develop? Or squander money and draft picks on has beens and never were JAGs? The future is unknown. I just don't like what I'm seeing in the present.
 

steelbtexan

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You're making an argument no one is arguing. Caserio knew he had limited draft picks. Then traded half of them, some for vets that won't be here next year. And some picks for guys who didn't make the team. He knew there wasn't a lot of talent to build on. Then signed a bunch of guys that won't be here in a year or two with money he borrowed from future years.

This is not how a rebuild is done. The excuse is, so what? The team won't need the cap room next year. We aren't ready to sign big $$$ guys. I agree with that. So push the cap room into the next year. At some point, the team will need that cap space. My main concern is, how will Caserio operate going forward? Revert to signing young players that can grow with the team and develop? Or squander money and draft picks on has beens and never were JAGs? The future is unknown. I just don't like what I'm seeing in the present.
Again, pick swaps aren't losing picks. Trading up to get your guys seems to be a smart thing to do since how many times have we complained about former GM's getting jumped in the draft and missing out the guys they wanted. (Jimmy G/Lockett come to mind) When they need cap space in a couple of yrs they will have it. Unless you dont trust that Caserio's good at his job. (Like every Texans GM before him)

How do you go about getting these young players with limited draft capital? Sign a bunch of UDFA's and run with them for a couple of yrs? How do you think the team would look with bunch of Kadar Holloman's manning the secondary?

We just have a different philosophy on rebuilding, in a couple of yrs everything should be better. It would've been this way regardless of whether Caserio rebuilt your way or mine. The picks will be there over the next 2 yrs (The Texans own picks and hopefully the picks for Derrick if he doesn't end up where he belongs in the slammer) and the cap space will be there too. Just gotta find the QB and hit on the picks plus spend wisely in FA.

This is a tall order, but I think Caserio is up to the job. You obviously dont think he's up to it. But then I have to remind myself where you're coming from and your hatred of all things Foxboro.
 

TexansBull

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You're making an argument no one is arguing. Caserio knew he had limited draft picks. Then traded half of them, some for vets that won't be here next year. And some picks for guys who didn't make the team. He knew there wasn't a lot of talent to build on. Then signed a bunch of guys that won't be here in a year or two with money he borrowed from future years.

This is not how a rebuild is done. The excuse is, so what? The team won't need the cap room next year. We aren't ready to sign big $$$ guys. I agree with that. So push the cap room into the next year. At some point, the team will need that cap space. My main concern is, how will Caserio operate going forward? Revert to signing young players that can grow with the team and develop? Or squander money and draft picks on has beens and never were JAGs? The future is unknown. I just don't like what I'm seeing in the present.
You are saying the rebuild isn’t done the way most rebuilds are done. Looking around the NFL some teams have gone through multiple rebuilds and still haven’t had success. (Looking in the mirror at us too). There are several teams that wen through the rebuild process, thought they had gold, and had to start over.

My point is why are we concerned not following the path that has the track record of not always working? Odds are unless you hit on a top QB in the draft your rebuild isn’t going to work.

Which brings back to we didn’t have a 1st this year to draft that QB. We either draft the guy next year or the following.

It is OK to be concerned. And it’s ok to hold judgement until seeing results that’s can be graded. It’s ridiculous to say it’s a failure. Small sample size. But you have to concede the fact that because of a small sample size of measuring his progress that Caserio still gets an incomplete. You can’t judge a GM until the 3rd or 4th year when his draft picks/free agent signings have actually come together.

A lot of what you are seeing now is the Bill OBrein hang over. Did Caserio make some head scratching decisions? Sure. But none of the decisions are going to impact the franchise to a substantial level. Not even the Mills pick which the jury is still out on. (I will admit it does not look promising) Nothing like the decisions of OB.

So why fret over contracts that only amount to 1-3% of the cap? Or 6th round draft picks that usually don’t amount to much? Especially in a year that was a write off to begin with? I don’t see what the fuss is all about.
 

leebigeztx

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I thought the whole purpose of creating $24 million dead cap money this year was a result of taking out the trash. And the purpose of restructuring contracts that amounted to over $30 million was to restock the cupboard, fill out the roster and replace all of the discarded trash. So what you're telling us now is Caserio replaced all the trash with more trash and now he has to replace all the trash he brought in this year?
Pretty much
 

leebigeztx

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He is doing the same thing Belicheck did.

From what I recall the Texans are going to have a huge cap surplus either next year or the following. Just like the Patriots did this past year. And just like Belicheck did in signing a bunch of premium free agents this past year Caserio will have the cap space to do the same. And just like Belicheck had limited draft picks in the years prior to the 2021 draft, Caserio was also in the same position with limited draft picks last year.

It’s open to opinion on how he is managing the cap, drafting players, and signing free agents.

Give me an example of another GM that walked into a team with as many bad contracts the Texans had, and limited draft picks, and a top 5 QB who wanted a trade but had a no trade clause and was potentially going to jail? Did that guy rebuild in a year?

Rome wasn’t built in a day.
No he's not. Go look at the 1996 Patriots and the 2001 Patriots. Alot of the guys from the losing superbowl year/years were on the 2001/2002 team, including the qb and oline/d line players.
 

leebigeztx

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What I'm telling you is in 2 years there will probably only be 5 guys still on the team that are on this yrs team and there should be plenty of cap space available. Particularly because God'ell got in bed with the gamblers and the players that currently are on the team that are cut/ traded will create cap space.

That's if Caserio does the right things. Obviously I'm hoping he will do the right things and you have little faith in him.
And you know that when you're sorry and have the reputation around the league as an inept organization, they will have to overpay for above average free agents which we know know is a crapshoot
 

TexansBull

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No he's not. Go look at the 1996 Patriots and the 2001 Patriots. Alot of the guys from the losing superbowl year/years were on the 2001/2002 team, including the qb and oline/d line players.
What has Belicheck done in the last two years? That is what I am referring to.
 

Texian

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Did the Belichick follow your model last offseason after Caserio was gone and Wolf took Caserio's job in Foxboro?
Pretty much. Although they signed 8 free agents who are all starters BTW to the tune of a record amount of $137MM. The Patriots cupboard was bare so they had to go BIG in FA in order to rectify the poor drafts from the Director of Player Personnel, Nick Caserio era. Kraft's words not mine.

Belichick used most of his allotted draft picks to draft Patriot players. He didn't end up with half as many drafted players as he had draft picks like the Texans. Used his late rd picks (because he had them and didn't piss them away) to move up and down in the draft. Moving up to draft Christian Barmore in particular was certainly a draft highlight.

There is virtually no restructured money on the books so they are pretty clean and will have full maximum use of the salary cap in 2022. Traded 10 year vet Gilmore to get his money off the 2022 books because he had the cap space in 2021. Smart move.

Yeah, so the Patriots get an A+ on their post Caserio era rebuild.
 

76Texan

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Unfortunately it has to get worse before it gets better. You can clear out all of the trash and bad contracts in one off-season. That's unrealistic. It will take 2-3 yrs to take on the trash and clean up the mess.
Didn't you say it ought to be fast when we argued over OB and Kubiak both being mediocre?

They both inherited 2-14.
NC and Culley inherited 4-12
 

steelbtexan

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Pretty much. Although they signed 8 free agents who are all starters BTW to the tune of a record amount of $137MM. The Patriots cupboard was bare so they had to go BIG in FA in order to rectify the poor drafts from the Director of Player Personnel, Nick Caserio era. Kraft's words not mine.

Belichick used most of his allotted draft picks to draft Patriot players. He didn't end up with half as many drafted players as he had draft picks like the Texans. Used his late rd picks (because he had them and didn't piss them away) to move up and down in the draft. Moving up to draft Christian Barmore in particular was certainly a draft highlight.

There is virtually no restructured money on the books so they are pretty clean and will have full maximum use of the salary cap in 2022. Traded 10 year vet Gilmore to get his money off the 2022 books because he had the cap space in 2021. Smart move.

Yeah, so the Patriots get an A+ on their post Caserio era rebuild.
So Belichick signed a bunch of FA's this offseason and so did Caserio? Yes Belichick was able to sign better FA's because the Pats are a more desirable franchise. But the Texans on the FA radar has been a big 0 for premium FA's long before Caserio got here. Hopefully this changes because I've said since 2010 the Texans consistently needed to be players in FA.

You mean Belichick used his late rd picks to move up in the draft. Kinda like Caserio did with Collins/Jordan/Wallow? I'm not talking about whether you like thepicks or not, just that the philosophies look alot alike.
 

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So Belichick signed a bunch of FA's this offseason and so did Caserio? Yes Belichick was able to sign better FA's because the Pats are a more desirable franchise. But the Texans on the FA radar has been a big 0 for premium FA's long before Caserio got here. Hopefully this changes because I've said since 2010 the Texans consistently needed to be players in FA.

You mean Belichick used his late rd picks to move up in the draft. Kinda like Caserio did with Collins/Jordan/Wallow? I'm not talking about whether you like thepicks or not, just that the philosophies look alot alike.
Yes Belichick signed $137MM worth of FA this off season and unlike the Texans who restructured every contract they could restructure so they could rearrange the deck chairs on the Titanic, Belichick didn't have to restructure $1 to get it done. Belichick signed many to 4 year contracts unlike Caserio who was signing mostly 1 year contracts and a few 2 year contracts. Most of Belichick FA are in their mid 20s unlike the Texans over the hill gang who are mostly 30+.

Belichick used his late round picks to move up and to MOVE DOWN to add more picks. Unlike Caserio, Belichick didn't get taken advantage of or have to pay double to move up. Belichick also had a lot more late round picks to maneuver because he didn't waste them and strike out on a bunch trash bin players.

Like it or not Caserio does have a track record in his 10 months as the Texans GM and it ain't very pretty. In almost every move he has made he somehow seems to stub his toe. This Anthony Miller FUBAR isn't the last FUBAR, it is only another FUBAR in a long list of many Caserio FUBARS. There is going to be more FUBARS, many more. Caserio now has a method of operation that is on public display and has established a pattern of behavior. Don't expect anything different. It is what he knows and how he operates and you can expect more of the same. Time changes, people don't. The Caserio fatigue is going to get very tiresome and extremely disappointing. Nick Caserio is a poor man's Scott Pioli.
 
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thunderkyss

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Belichick used his late round picks to move up and to MOVE DOWN to add more picks. Unlike Caserio, Belichick didn't get taken advantage of or have to pay double to move up. Belichick also had a lot more late round picks to maneuver because he didn't waste them and strike out on a bunch trash bin players.
You’re right, can’t argue with that. Nick set Belichick up with the capital to get done what needed to get done. Wish O’Brien would have been so kind.
 

SnakeEyes

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From my count, Charley Casserly, Rick Smith, Bill O'Brien and Jack Easterby have at one time or other, has or had the ownership wooed/snowballed to the point of making obviously bad football decisions based on personal relationships. These people get bad results and are given a promotion. Is this common? I don't know enough about the operations of other teams to know if this is common practice. It doesn't seem like any other ownership group has been fooled by everyone that walks through the door like the Texans are.

I think the record reflects they are overly trusting people with good intentions. However, you can't win a championship using good intentions. Unless the FO gets lucky and these people are actually talented, we're screwed. I still hope they win.
Nothing we didn't know. Not saying that they are stupid, but it's been seen that they have (and will again) had the wool pulled over their eyes on some things. Recall OB found out about Brock after he was already signed for the most part. Why? Because Smith thought he was a good QB and a good fit. The McNair family held him in high regard, he is a god father to Cals son after all. So, they made a call with out fully telling OB. I don't 100% think OB didn't know anything as he claims. But, I don't think he knew that Brock was no question on the way. He mentioned other QBs prior that he liked and didn't list Brock.
 

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Pretty much. Although they signed 8 free agents who are all starters BTW to the tune of a record amount of $137MM. The Patriots cupboard was bare so they had to go BIG in FA in order to rectify the poor drafts from the Director of Player Personnel, Nick Caserio era. Kraft's words not mine.

Belichick used most of his allotted draft picks to draft Patriot players. He didn't end up with half as many drafted players as he had draft picks like the Texans. Used his late rd picks (because he had them and didn't piss them away) to move up and down in the draft. Moving up to draft Christian Barmore in particular was certainly a draft highlight.

There is virtually no restructured money on the books so they are pretty clean and will have full maximum use of the salary cap in 2022. Traded 10 year vet Gilmore to get his money off the 2022 books because he had the cap space in 2021. Smart move.

Yeah, so the Patriots get an A+ on their post Caserio era rebuild.
What was the Patriots draft capital, cap and bad contract situations going into the 2021 off-season?
 

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Nothing we didn't know. Not saying that they are stupid, but it's been seen that they have (and will again) had the wool pulled over their eyes on some things. Recall OB found out about Brock after he was already signed for the most part. Why? Because Smith thought he was a good QB and a good fit. The McNair family held him in high regard, he is a god father to Cals son after all. So, they made a call with out fully telling OB. I don't 100% think OB didn't know anything as he claims. But, I don't think he knew that Brock was no question on the way. He mentioned other QBs prior that he liked and didn't list Brock.
O'Brien always said he was part of the evaluation and decision process to bring Osweiler here.

“We felt like he was a guy that everything that he brought to the table from his command at the line of scrimmage to his skill set as a passer. For a big guy—I’m sure you guys know his history, he played basketball—he’s a very, very good athlete. We think he’s a great fit for our offense.

I thought the New England game was one particular game that stood out to me because they were really in coaching lingo, getting after him. They were hitting him and he was delivering the football and getting right back up and calling the next play. One of the main requirements for a quarterback in this league is the ability to stand in there when everything is flying at you and take a hit and deliver the ball.

In the Raider game, Khalil Mack must have hit him, I don’t know, eight to 10 times in that game? He stood in there, delivered the ball. Maybe statistically it wasn’t his best game but to someone who’s been coaching that position for a while and has really studied it, that means a lot to us."

O'Brien said he vetted Osweiler through those who knew and coached him previously,

"I know there’s a lot of people that have coached him throughout the years that I’ve personally known so I’m sure he spoke to those guys. We spoke to those guys. That was one thing that stood out to me about him was everyone we spoke to, that was either a coach or teammate, couldn’t say enough good things a about this guy. That he was a good leader, a hard worker, a guy that really cared about his teammates, everything we’re looking for in a quarterback. So now, he’s just got to come in here and do it."


Bill O'Brien

And there's more:

"We did our due diligence on Brock," O'Brien said. "Thus far, he’s been exactly what we’ve expected. He’s come in here, he works extremely hard. He’s a very, very bright guy. He’s a really good communicator with his teammates. He’s very hard on himself. He has a lot of great questions. Every day he comes in, he has a sheet filled with questions as to maybe something that he’s looking ahead at whether it’s red zone, two-minute, or something he knows is coming on the horizon.".

"I believe he's a winner,"
O'Brien said. "I believe he's going to prepare every week. And he's going to do whatever it takes from his position to help us win games. Whether that means managing the clock at the end of games, being able to run no-huddle, two-minute, red-zone execution. The guy has a lot of talent. We looked at everybody who was available, and we felt like this guy had a lot of the things we were looking for. He threw the ball accurately. He played in big games. Even though there isn't a ton of game experience relative to other guys, he played well in big games. He had a lot to do with Denver's success down the stretch."
 

Texian

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You’re right, can’t argue with that. Nick set Belichick up with the capital to get done what needed to get done. Wish O’Brien would have been so kind.
Well Caserio did take 10 draft picks left to him by O'Brien and turned them into 5 players. Less is more I guess, so you got that going for you. I can see I've upset the Kool Aid Brigade. Doesn't really matter since I've most of them on ignore. It does help elevate the conversation with a lot less fodder to sort through.
 
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Texian

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O'Brien always said he was part of the evaluation and decision process to bring Osweiler here.

“We felt like he was a guy that everything that he brought to the table from his command at the line of scrimmage to his skill set as a passer. For a big guy—I’m sure you guys know his history, he played basketball—he’s a very, very good athlete. We think he’s a great fit for our offense.

I thought the New England game was one particular game that stood out to me because they were really in coaching lingo, getting after him. They were hitting him and he was delivering the football and getting right back up and calling the next play. One of the main requirements for a quarterback in this league is the ability to stand in there when everything is flying at you and take a hit and deliver the ball.

In the Raider game, Khalil Mack must have hit him, I don’t know, eight to 10 times in that game? He stood in there, delivered the ball. Maybe statistically it wasn’t his best game but to someone who’s been coaching that position for a while and has really studied it, that means a lot to us."

O'Brien said he vetted Osweiler through those who knew and coached him previously,

"I know there’s a lot of people that have coached him throughout the years that I’ve personally known so I’m sure he spoke to those guys. We spoke to those guys. That was one thing that stood out to me about him was everyone we spoke to, that was either a coach or teammate, couldn’t say enough good things a about this guy. That he was a good leader, a hard worker, a guy that really cared about his teammates, everything we’re looking for in a quarterback. So now, he’s just got to come in here and do it."


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And there's more:

"We did our due diligence on Brock," O'Brien said. "Thus far, he’s been exactly what we’ve expected. He’s come in here, he works extremely hard. He’s a very, very bright guy. He’s a really good communicator with his teammates. He’s very hard on himself. He has a lot of great questions. Every day he comes in, he has a sheet filled with questions as to maybe something that he’s looking ahead at whether it’s red zone, two-minute, or something he knows is coming on the horizon.".

"I believe he's a winner,"
O'Brien said. "I believe he's going to prepare every week. And he's going to do whatever it takes from his position to help us win games. Whether that means managing the clock at the end of games, being able to run no-huddle, two-minute, red-zone execution. The guy has a lot of talent. We looked at everybody who was available, and we felt like this guy had a lot of the things we were looking for. He threw the ball accurately. He played in big games. Even though there isn't a ton of game experience relative to other guys, he played well in big games. He had a lot to do with Denver's success down the stretch."
This is basically O'Brien carrying Bob McNair's water. O'Brien covering for Bob because Bob signs his checks. At the time it was reported that O'Brien sat down and quickly viewed a Osweiler tape before rushing out the door to go Minnesota's Pro Day. That was pretty much O'Brien's due diligence. O'Brien knew about as much about the Osweiler trade as Wade Phillips knew about the Ed Reed trade, which was very little. McNair had already made up his mind that Osweiler was going to be his QB. End of Story.
 

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This is basically O'Brien carrying Bob McNair's water. O'Brien covering for Bob because Bob signs his checks. At the time it was reported that O'Brien sat down and quickly viewed a Osweiler tape before rushing out the door to go Minnesota's Pro Day. That was pretty much O'Brien's due diligence. O'Brien knew about as much about the Osweiler trade as Wade Phillips knew about the Ed Reed trade, which was very little. McNair had already made up his mind that Osweiler was going to be his QB. End of Story.
O'Brien's words are too enthusiastic just to be carrying water. His arrogance was thinking that he was such a genius offensive mind that he could turn any given QB into Tom Brady 2.0.

Just look at his evaluation and apparent blindness with Tom Savage. Dude was not even a competent QB under O'Brien's multi-year tutelage.

Acting like O'Brien had nothing to do with Osweiler is just ignoring the obvious. O'Brien was part of the boardroom.

O’Brien actually wanted Brock Osweiler as his starting QB

After rotating through uninspiring quarterbacks like Ryan Fitzpatrick, Ryan Mallett, Case Keenum, Brian Hoyer, and T.J. Yates, the Texans went out and signed Osweiler in 2016 to a four-year, $72 million deal. Osweiler went 5-2 as a starter for Denver the season before but was benched for a near-retirement Peyton Manning.

The choice to sign Osweiler wasn’t all O’Brien’s — Rick Smith was still the GM — but O’Brien had made up his mind before even talking to Osweiler. Per Peter King:

O’Brien did as much fact-finding as he could on Osweiler. He watched tape of every game Osweiler played in Denver. He grilled Osweiler’s college coordinator, Noah Mazzone, who loved Osweiler. He paid attention to the impressive game Osweiler played against New England on a Sunday night in crunch time. He was sold, and told owner Bob McNair and GM Rick Smith he really wanted Osweiler.
A year later, the Texans gave up a second-round pick just to get rid of Osweiler.

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O'Brien's words are too enthusiastic just to be carrying water.
Being too enthusiastic is very easy to do when you are doing it for someone who is paying you $3MM a year. Especially when that owner wants you put the best spin possible on your newly signed multi-million dollar QB. Yippee Ki-Yay.
 

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This is basically O'Brien carrying Bob McNair's water. O'Brien covering for Bob because Bob signs his checks. At the time it was reported that O'Brien sat down and quickly viewed a Osweiler tape before rushing out the door to go Minnesota's Pro Day. That was pretty much O'Brien's due diligence. O'Brien knew about as much about the Osweiler trade as Wade Phillips knew about the Ed Reed trade, which was very little. McNair had already made up his mind that Osweiler was going to be his QB. End of Story.
I don't understand how McNair would be enamored with Osweiler at that point?
Was it his 61.8% percentage?
His 10-6 TD-INT ratio?
Or his 23 sacks in 7 games?
 


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