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I can see how Texas has themselves to blame for beating the team ranked one spot higher than them.
Damn them beating them head to head.
(Not a UT fan for the record)
How convenient that everyone who makes that argument forgets about the loss to Texas Tech; the lowest ranked of Texas, OU & Tech.
How convenient that everyone who makes that argument forgets about the loss to Texas Tech; the lowest ranked of Texas, OU & Tech.
Only way to settle it is head to head. Let them play it out. Unless you lose to them then some other line can be used.
It's not a head to head argument and it's only convenient for UT homers to make it so because of their loss to Tech. Tech has the same record as OU and UT and are thus in the discussion.Who is ranked close together? Texas (3) and OK (2). If it had been OK and TT then yeah OK should be on top due to head to head.
How convinent that when a team beats you it counts for nothing because you beat someone else who isn't in the discussion and is ranked 7th.
The NATIONAL picture isn't debating the three, it's debating TWO of them. One of which lost to the other head to head.
It's not a head to head argument and it's only convenient for UT homers to make it so because of their loss to Tech. Tech has the same record as OU and UT and are thus in the discussion.
It's funny that by the very parameters UT homers think makes Tech irrelevant (rankings), UT is irrelevant.
It's not a head to head argument and it's only convenient for UT homers to make it so because of their loss to Tech. Tech has the same record as OU and UT and are thus in the discussion.
It's funny that by the very parameters UT homers think makes Tech irrelevant (rankings), UT is irrelevant.
Dude I'm not a UT homer. I went to U. of MD and the Air Force. I could give a rats arse about UT. It's the principal behind it.
There are only really 2 teams we're talking about here. They both lost early - too bad for TT that they lost late. We know it sucks but it is head to head.
Two teams, one ranked behind the other w/identical records, one beat the other. Hello? Does this not make comman sense? The better team was already decided between those two.
I wasn't talking about you specifically being a UT homer, but UT homers in general who make the argument.
That being said, you can't sit here and say that TT is out of the discussion because they are ranked lower than UT and OU and then turn around and complain that OU is going to the Big XII Championship because they are ranked higher. That's simply ridiculous.
I'm not saying UT fans don't have a gripe; they do, and a legitimate one. But there's three teams with identical records and each have lost to one of the others. Two teams are going to get screwed and it happens to be TT and UT.
Get over it.
We are in a three way tie for the conference title and deserve consideration even if we had every flaw in our team exposed in a 40 point drubbing!
We crushed the one team that beat you by 40 points! And barely lost the one game we did lose on the road!
We beat you head to head! Get over it!
Tech is irrelevant because they lost by 40. UT lost in the last 30 seconds. There is a huge difference there. I promise you, if UT had lost to Tech by 40 points, they wouldn't be third in the country, and wouldn't have an argument for being in the Big XII Championship.
I'm not saying that Tech isn't getting robbed. They are IMO one of the 10 best teams in the country, and absolutely deserve a BCS spot. But you can't lose by 40, hobble past Baylor, and still be considered in the discussion.
I just find it funny how fans of each team would happily endorse the others' argument if it made their case.
But there's three teams with identical records and each have lost to one of the others. Two teams are going to get screwed and it happens to be TT and UT.
Get over it.
Oh, so you want to go down the "who finished off the season the strongest" road?
Signed,
58-35, 62-28, 66-28, 65-21, 61-41
BTW - It was OU who put that 40 point beating on TT. I like how TT loses credit for the loss but OU doesn't gain any.
I wasn't talking about you specifically being a UT homer, but UT homers in general who make the argument.
That being said, you can't sit here and say that TT is out of the discussion because they are ranked lower than UT and OU and then turn around and complain that OU is going to the Big XII Championship because they are ranked higher. That's simply ridiculous.
I'm not saying UT fans don't have a gripe; they do, and a legitimate one. But there's three teams with identical records and each have lost to one of the others. Two teams are going to get screwed and it happens to be TT and UT.
Get over it.
My gripe isn't with the conf, everyone agrees that it's jacked it. Seriously who lets someone else decide who is playing in their championship game?
I wouldn't care if OK went to the Big XII Championship game IF UT was ranked #2.
My issue is with the BcS. Big XII just looks stupid for letting the BcS decide who plays.
Then your argument IS with the Big XII.
Everyone hates the BCS. Duh.
But it is the Big XII's fault this whole situation occured. NOT the BCS.
They set their own tie-breakers so it is THEIR fault that the outcome is ridiculous.
No because the winner of the Big XII doesn't get an auto-big to the NC. I don't care who wins it or plays it.
If they had decided on their own that OK and Mizzouri should play while UT was ranked 2nd then cool whatever.
IMO there can be a scenario where you don't win your conf and still go to the NC. That would play out if OK loses tonight.
...And that's actually what it should have come down to. The BCS was created to match #1 against #2 for the national championship. It wasn't created to decide who conferences should put in their title game.
OU was a +34 in point differential against UT and Tech.
UT was a +4 against OU and Tech.
Tech was a -38 against OU and UT.
The right team is in the Big 12 title game.
And that's actually what it should have come down to. The BCS was created to match #1 against #2 for the national championship. It wasn't created to decide who conferences should put in their title game.
My gripe isn't with the conf, everyone agrees that it's jacked it. Seriously who lets someone else decide who is playing in their championship game?
I wouldn't care if OK went to the Big XII Championship game IF UT was ranked #2.
My issue is with the BcS. Big XII just looks stupid for letting the BcS decide who plays.
Both the ACC and the SEC have tie-breaking systems that could get down to BCS rankings when determining the teams in their championship games.
ACC Tiebreakers
SEC Tiebreakers
The difference is in the Big 12, the BCS component is the 5th tiebreaker (three-way tie), and in the other two conferences, it's down at 7, but the point is that the Big 12 is hardly unique in potentially letting "someone else" decide who plays in their Championship game if they get far enough down the list.
Both the ACC and the SEC have tie-breaking systems that could get down to BCS rankings when determining the teams in their championship games.
ACC Tiebreakers
SEC Tiebreakers
The difference is in the Big 12, the BCS component is the 5th tiebreaker (three-way tie), and in the other two conferences, it's down at 7, but the point is that the Big 12 is hardly unique in potentially letting "someone else" decide who plays in their Championship game if they get far enough down the list.
No Austin in there.......just a thought but when was the last time the loser of the OU/UT game went to play for the national championship when they both had 1 loss? The answer is NEVER
The problem is, UT is not in a tie with OU. Funny how we keep forgetting Tech only has 1 loss. There's THREE, 1, 2, THREE teams with 1 loss. It's not all about UT/OU. That isn't the only game on the planet that matters.
And quit giving me the "neutral" site BS. That game is still played in TEXAS the last time I checked. And if you don't like playing that game at a "neutral" site, then try playing it in Norman every other year.
And yes, a win is a win no matter the score, but when tie-breakers get involved, those points do matter. Or at least they should matter instead of letting the BCS pick for you.
Not after Nate Davis went Rosencopter against Buffalo!Ball State. even after the loss.
Hate to say it but, yes it is about UT and OU. And yes it is a neutral site, half the stadium is red, half is orange, it's in Texas because Texas is a big state and roughly half way. Playing in Dallas isn't a home field advantage when half the stadium is full of Sooners fans.......I don't care if it's in Texas, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Louisiana, New Mexico, or elsewhere. It's not like football players are affected by where they're playing as much as the noise of the fans.
If OU beats Florida then you have to call Texas the National Champions because they already proved they were better than OU.
You lost to Texas Tech, Oklahoma blew them out.If OU beats Florida then you have to call Texas the National Champions because they already proved they were better than OU.
If OU beats Florida then you have to call Texas the National Champions because they already proved they were better than OU.