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Anyway For Texas To Still Make It To The National Title Game?
- Thread starter gary
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BullBlitz
Section 331
I can't see OU losing to Missouri such that Texas backdoors its way into the title game.
All the teams with one loss have only themselves to blame. One or two of them will get lucky and be ranked high enough to play for the Title, but other teams that are on the outside looking in should just look back at the loss that caused them to be in that situation.
All the teams with one loss have only themselves to blame. One or two of them will get lucky and be ranked high enough to play for the Title, but other teams that are on the outside looking in should just look back at the loss that caused them to be in that situation.
BullBlitz
Section 331
How convenient that everyone who makes that argument forgets about the loss to Texas Tech; the lowest ranked of Texas, OU & Tech.
PapaL
Loose Screw
Who is ranked close together? Texas (3) and OK (2). If it had been OK and TT then yeah OK should be on top due to head to head.
How convinent that when a team beats you it counts for nothing because you beat someone else who isn't in the discussion and is ranked 7th.
The NATIONAL picture isn't debating the three, it's debating TWO of them. One of which lost to the other head to head.
Blake
MMQB
So what are they supposed to do? Keep Tech at #2 even thought it lost by 40 points? Just wanting to know how you would rank them.
The problem is that when you lose, you drop. Oklahoma did. Texas did. And Tech did. Tech just lost late.
Unfortunately for Tech it came down to Texas and Oklahoma. And unfortunately for Texas the voters dismissed their head to head win.
Sal Rosenberg
Rookie
Who can go to the Azucar Bowl?
Blake
MMQB
Agreed. Also how many times do you hear people say "I wish we could have them settle it on the field" when respond to "which team is better?" We got them to settle it on the field and now they don't care.
Another point would be that all teams lost on the road, but Texas won on the road at a neutral field. Tech and Oklahoma won at home.
nero THE zero
All Pro
It's not a head to head argument and it's only convenient for UT homers to make it so because of their loss to Tech. Tech has the same record as OU and UT and are thus in the discussion.
It's funny that by the very parameters UT homers think makes Tech irrelevant (rankings), UT is irrelevant.
PapaL
Loose Screw
Dude I'm not a UT homer. I went to U. of MD and the Air Force. I could give a rats arse about UT. It's the principal behind it.
There are only really 2 teams we're talking about here. They both lost early - too bad for TT that they lost late. We know it sucks but it is head to head.
Two teams, one ranked behind the other w/identical records, one beat the other. Hello? Does this not make comman sense? The better team was already decided between those two.
Dan B.
Hall of Fame
Tech is irrelevant because they lost by 40. UT lost in the last 30 seconds. There is a huge difference there. I promise you, if UT had lost to Tech by 40 points, they wouldn't be third in the country, and wouldn't have an argument for being in the Big XII Championship.
I'm not saying that Tech isn't getting robbed. They are IMO one of the 10 best teams in the country, and absolutely deserve a BCS spot. But you can't lose by 40, hobble past Baylor, and still be considered in the discussion.
Sal Rosenberg
Rookie
Sugar Bowl?
nero THE zero
All Pro
I wasn't talking about you specifically being a UT homer, but UT homers in general who make the argument.
That being said, you can't sit here and say that TT is out of the discussion because they are ranked lower than UT and OU and then turn around and complain that OU is going to the Big XII Championship because they are ranked higher. That's simply ridiculous.
I'm not saying UT fans don't have a gripe; they do, and a legitimate one. But there's three teams with identical records and each have lost to one of the others. Two teams are going to get screwed and it happens to be TT and UT.
Get over it.
Dan B.
Hall of Fame
I just find it funny how fans of each team would happily endorse the others' argument if it made their case. To expand upon my earlier post that had UT lost by 40 in Lubbock they would be out of the picture, What if things had broken as such?
UT still beat OU by 10
Tech beat Texas by 40.
OU beat Tech on a last second dropped interception and went on to an uninspired victory over OSU.
In such a scenario, it is VERY likely that UT and Tech would have swapped spots in the rankings. As such, each team would be making these arguments:
Texas' hypothetical argument (Tech's argument today):
Tech's hypothetical argument (OU's argument today):
OU's hypothetical argument (Texas' argument today):
nero THE zero
All Pro
Oh, so you want to go down the "who finished off the season the strongest" road?
Signed,
58-35, 62-28, 66-28, 65-21, 61-41
BTW - It was OU who put that 40 point beating on TT. I like how TT loses credit for the loss but OU doesn't gain any.
nero THE zero
All Pro
Dan B.
Hall of Fame
Of course OU gained credit, as I said, it is the crux of their argument:
Texas lost to Tech.
OU beat Tech by 40.
Look, I am not arguing that OU is undeserving. I think the one team with no business there is Mizzou, frankly. But it isn't as if Texas had an abominably bad finish to the season. Their one loss was to a top 5 team (#2 at the time IIRC) on the road. Other than that they played great down the stretch (and they didn't even need to pad their stats to do it).
Tech played their way out of contention IMO. Just as Texas would have had they finished so poorly. They clearly showed that they do not belong in the NC game. Neither Texas or OU has shown that so far.
And as I said, I do think Tech deserves a BCS bid. They are IMO a top 10 team and clearly better than BC/VTech or Cincinnati. They just aren't one of the best two. They showed that.
PapaL
Loose Screw
My gripe isn't with the conf, everyone agrees that it's jacked it. Seriously who lets someone else decide who is playing in their championship game?
I wouldn't care if OK went to the Big XII Championship game IF UT was ranked #2.
My issue is with the BcS. Big XII just looks stupid for letting the BcS decide who plays.
bah007
Hall of Fame
Tech fans:
I know it sucks. I do.
But you can't lose by 40+ on prime time national television and stay in the national championhip picture.
And the OU argument for playing the best down the stretch is laughable. I forgot that how many points you score is the only indication of how good your team is.
The Big XII tie-breaker sucks. Two teams had to get screwed. Two teams did. Everybody just needs to deal with it and move on.
Tech fans feel like they should be in the BCS but they have to settle for the Cotton Bowl.
Texas fans feel like they should be in the national championship but they have to settle for the Fiesta or Sugar Bowl.
OU fans think they have a shot at beating Bama or Florida but they will have to settle for another embarrassing BCS loss (just kidding Sooners, but i couldn't leave you out).
I know it sucks. I do.
But you can't lose by 40+ on prime time national television and stay in the national championhip picture.
And the OU argument for playing the best down the stretch is laughable. I forgot that how many points you score is the only indication of how good your team is.
The Big XII tie-breaker sucks. Two teams had to get screwed. Two teams did. Everybody just needs to deal with it and move on.
Tech fans feel like they should be in the BCS but they have to settle for the Cotton Bowl.
Texas fans feel like they should be in the national championship but they have to settle for the Fiesta or Sugar Bowl.
OU fans think they have a shot at beating Bama or Florida but they will have to settle for another embarrassing BCS loss (just kidding Sooners, but i couldn't leave you out).
bah007
Hall of Fame
Then your argument IS with the Big XII.
Everyone hates the BCS. Duh.
But it is the Big XII's fault this whole situation occured. NOT the BCS.
They set their own tie-breakers so it is THEIR fault that the outcome is ridiculous.
PapaL
Loose Screw
No because the winner of the Big XII doesn't get an auto-big to the NC. I don't care who wins it or plays it.
If they had decided on their own that OK and Mizzouri should play while UT was ranked 2nd then cool whatever.
IMO there can be a scenario where you don't win your conf and still go to the NC. That would play out if OK loses tonight.
bah007
Hall of Fame
Its happened before for Nebraska in 2001 and OU in 2003.
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
OU was a +34 in point differential against UT and Tech.
UT was a +4 against OU and Tech.
Tech was a -38 against OU and UT.
The right team is in the Big 12 title game.
And that's actually what it should have come down to. The BCS was created to match #1 against #2 for the national championship. It wasn't created to decide who conferences should put in their title game.
UT was a +4 against OU and Tech.
Tech was a -38 against OU and UT.
The right team is in the Big 12 title game.
And that's actually what it should have come down to. The BCS was created to match #1 against #2 for the national championship. It wasn't created to decide who conferences should put in their title game.
bah007
Hall of Fame
Exactly.
I made this point a few days ao and it was disregarded.
Everyone just wants to pile on the BCS even though the Big XII is the party at fault here.
ATX
Hall of Fame
A win is a win, just as a loss is just a loss no matter if it's 1 point or 40 points, but somehow point spread seems to matter in BCS which is why it's a crock of butter. Of the 3 teams, only Texas played the other 2 on the road, while both Tech and OU had home games.
UT v OU - neutral(Dallas)
UT v Tech - Lubbock
OU v UT - Dallas
OU v Tech - Norman
Tech v UT - Lubbock
Tech v OU - Norman
No Austin in there.......just a thought but when was the last time the loser of the OU/UT game went to play for the national championship when they both had 1 loss? The answer is NEVER
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ChampionTexan
Hall of Fame
Both the ACC and the SEC have tie-breaking systems that could get down to BCS rankings when determining the teams in their championship games.
ACC Tiebreakers
SEC Tiebreakers
The difference is in the Big 12, the BCS component is the 5th tiebreaker (three-way tie), and in the other two conferences, it's down at 7, but the point is that the Big 12 is hardly unique in potentially letting "someone else" decide who plays in their Championship game if they get far enough down the list.
Blake
MMQB
The tied team with the highest ranking in the Bowl Championship Series Standings following the last weekend of regular-season games shall be the divisional representative in the SEC Championship Game, unless the second of the tied teams is ranked within five-or-fewer places of the highest ranked tied team. In this case, the head-to-head results of the top two ranked tied teams shall determine the representative in the SEC Championship Game.
If this senario had happened in the SEC, since OU and Texas are within 5 spots, it would be the head to head match-up that decides it.
bah007
Hall of Fame
The BCS rankings would only serve to eliminate the lowest ranked team.
Head to head would determine the division winner between the two higher ranked teams.
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
The problem is, UT is not in a tie with OU. Funny how we keep forgetting Tech only has 1 loss. There's THREE, 1, 2, THREE teams with 1 loss. It's not all about UT/OU. That isn't the only game on the planet that matters.
And quit giving me the "neutral" site BS. That game is still played in TEXAS the last time I checked. And if you don't like playing that game at a "neutral" site, then try playing it in Norman every other year.
And yes, a win is a win no matter the score, but when tie-breakers get involved, those points do matter. Or at least they should matter instead of letting the BCS pick for you.
ATX
Hall of Fame
Hate to say it but, yes it is about UT and OU. And yes it is a neutral site, half the stadium is red, half is orange, it's in Texas because Texas is a big state and roughly half way. Playing in Dallas isn't a home field advantage when half the stadium is full of Sooners fans.......I don't care if it's in Texas, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Louisiana, New Mexico, or elsewhere. It's not like football players are affected by where they're playing as much as the noise of the fans.
axman40
Hall of Fame
axman40
Hall of Fame
threetoedpete
Hall of Fame
Just curious here...exactly How many OU payers are from Texas ? Is wasn't foreign soil for at least half the OU team. Horns got Jobbed.
My take it's football karma for '69. Nixon's working his way out of purgatory.
Well the only notch Mack doesn't have on his pistol handle there Kast is the
SEC. It's coming. And he's got the biggest notch. He beat the greatest college football team ever...acroding to ESPN.
If OU beats Florida then you have to call Texas the National Champions because they already proved they were better than OU.
axman40
Hall of Fame
In Jeff Sagarins computer rankings, one of the six that factor into the final Bowl Championship Series standings, Texas retained the No. 2 spot today behind Oklahoma, which stayed at No. 1.
Despite a strong win over Alabama on Saturday, Florida was ranked fourth, behind No. 3 Texas Tech.
http://www.statesman.com/blogs/cont...horns/entries/2008/12/07/texas_holds_off.html
Despite a strong win over Alabama on Saturday, Florida was ranked fourth, behind No. 3 Texas Tech.
http://www.statesman.com/blogs/cont...horns/entries/2008/12/07/texas_holds_off.html
Showtime100
Got JJ?
Except against TT. Big problem there.
mexican_texan
Furry Tractors
You lost to Texas Tech, Oklahoma blew them out.
BullBlitz
Section 331
Representative of the type of logic they teach at UT.