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toronto said:
No. The sheer force of the hit, which was technically helmet first into chest, took Ben off his feet. It was that strong a hit.

Forget about trying to separate a wide receiver from a ball with a big hit. That era is over. Not the league we grew up watching.
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Initially I was against all of this hit management junk they are doing...But I grew to accept some of it...to make the game safer...

But I still saw a point where they could go overboard with it...And it's really coming to that point...

I don't watch nearly as much NFL as I used to. I only watch the Texans really. After that hit last night I started channel surfing for other stuff to watch and just flipped back to the game to check on what was going on...
 
infantrycak said:
Looks clean. I'm gonna guess the ref is going to say he thought there was helmet to helmet contact although I didn't see any. I doubt very seriously he threw the flag thinking "too hard."

They do need to tweak the rule to where a hit which is initially clean but because of movement ends with incidental contact to the QBs helmet shouldn't get flagged, but right now it is supposed to be.
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But see...I don't think he said anything about a hit to the head when he made the call...

I think he just called it "roughing the passer"...I think he mentioned something about the defender leading with his face mask...

He's standing right there...Maybe not an ideal angle...

Maybe a replay would have given him a chance to re-observe the play and time to think about it though.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
But see...I don't think he said anything about a hit to the head when he made the call...

I think he just called it "roughing the passer"...I think he mentioned something about the defender leading with his face mask...

He's standing right there...Maybe not an ideal angle...

Maybe a replay would have given him a chance to re-observe the play and time to think about it though.
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I watched it last night & in slow motion you can see Upshaw driving the top of his helmet into Ben's chest. In regular speed, it looked like he had his face mask up & buried it in Ben's chest, but in slow mo you could see it.

But, the ref who threw the flag was behind Ben, no way he could have seen it. Especially not in real time.
 
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Hochuli put out that the penalty was for "leading with the crown of the helmet." Like someone mentioned, he was behind the play and could not have seen it. I think he called it because Ben got "jacked up" and he felt he HAD to call it.

On another note, shortly after that the Pitt WR, Brown I think, got lit up over the middle and NO flag was thrown on that play! Defenseless receiver?? It looked like a clean hit to me but the way things have been called lately I was waiting for the flag. It never showed up. It's frustrating because these calls are ultimately going to change the outcomes of a lot of games.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
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Apparantly sacking the QB is soon to become illegal, at least when you hit him with any force. Of course, the fact that Big Ben needs to be hit hard because he is difficult to sack when you try to wrap him him up is mere details.

I love the NFL, despite the fact they are trying way too hard to clean up a sport that will always have violence in it, no matter how hard they try to suggest otherwise.
 
austins23 said:
On another note, shortly after that the Pitt WR, Brown I think, got lit up over the middle and NO flag was thrown on that play! Defenseless receiver?? It looked like a clean hit to me but the way things have been called lately I was waiting for the flag. It never showed up. It's frustrating because these calls are ultimately going to change the outcomes of a lot of games.
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The way I see it, the NFL gets some of these calls wrong. But there are still plenty of good hits, enough to satisfy me on a game to game basis.
 
thunderkyss said:
The way I see it, the NFL gets some of these calls wrong. But there are still plenty of good hits, enough to satisfy me on a game to game basis.
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It's all over the map though. Different from one crew to the next and even within the game it's not consistent.
 
austins23 said:
It's all over the map though. Different from one crew to the next and even within the game it's not consistent.
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Hard for the refs to keep up when the league tweaks the rules and definitions every single offseason.

For my money, the rules have less to do with safety than they do with trying to help increase offensive output under the guise of protecting the players. You never see a flag when a defender gets jacked up.

I feel bad for the refs. They're trying but they are human. They miss some. And the league is giving them more control of the game every single year, which means those missed calls just keep adding up.
 
thunderkyss said:
The way I see it, the NFL gets some of these calls wrong. But there are still plenty of good hits, enough to satisfy me on a game to game basis.
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Hard hits are in the process of being outlawed by God'ell and the owners. A continued bastardization of the game of football.
 
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