Andre Johnson

[TEXANRED]

Carr has played awful and I just tell it how I see it and don't worry that I hurt the homers feelings. I complain when I talk about football and people talk about me...that's what I complain about.

Carr has converted ONE 3rd down in 3 preseason games. I think that is awful. You may think there is "potential" to convert more than one....I see it as a broken glass...and you see it full of kool aide. This forum is a place to share our perceptions. I share mine with you but I don't expect personal attacks when I share mine.

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/live/NFL_20060812_KC@HOU
http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/live/NFL_20060819_HOU@STL
http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/live/NFL_20060827_HOU@DEN

Through three pre-season games Carr has 29/44 for 250 yards 8.6 yards a catch with a 65% completion rate and 5 rushes for 25 yards for 5 yards a carry.

Carr played one series in the first game, two quarters the second and two plus one series the third. Effectively Carr has played one full game.

AJ thru three games, same amount of quarters, has 7 catches for 63 yards for 9 yards a catch.

AJ is accounting for around 25% of Carrs production.

By just looking at the stats this tells me one of two things, 1) short passing routes designed by the coaching staff constructed to keep the chains moving. 2) AJ is getting his touches but not turning it into anything big.

Carr has played solid through the pre-season. He has done everything the coaches have asked him to do. He has lead the team and kept the team from falling apart when things go wrong.

Also for the guys who point out Carr hasn't thrown any touchdowns, keep two things in mind, 1) Our running game is smoking right now and is scoring from anywhere on the field, 2) Our best receiver is averaging 9 yards a catch.

AJ does not need carr. As a matter of fact, he no doubt would love a different QB. Let me rephrase that...A QB.

Notice how Carrs and AJ's stats are tied to each other? AJ needs Carr as much as Carr needs AJ.

 

[pittbull]

This is the worst thread I have ever read.. Anyone who knows football understands that there is a reason many are not able to reach their full potential. Johnson has been a stud since he got here, and due to being double and triple teamed most of the past two seasons, and an injury riddled one last year, his true talent has not been shown. Place Johnson in Indy, Cinci, Carolina, this guy is as dominant or more than the WR's on those respective units. Most experts, and I mean those who have played the game and discuss his talent, feel he is T.O. x 2, without the lip service. He's got unreal work ethic, fast, strong, great hands, and knows the pro style game, running in a pro system at Miami. Can he get better? Of course, who can't. He can make tougher catches, and run better routes, but it does come with time and experience. Not everyone has Peyton Manning throwing them pinpoint rockets every game. Not everyone has an offense designed around them...like Randy Moss or Terrell Owens. If you had a QB and O-Coordinator who was unable to get you the rock, for numerous reasons, you would be seen as not reaching your full potential too. Does Chad Johnson and Marvin Harrison have true #2 WR's?......Yes. Do other teams such as Carolina run a three WR set, to make sure Steve Smith does not get double teamed.....yes. The Texans have never tried to place an offense around Johnson, it's always been moving Johnson around a run-oriented system designed for a 4th round RB, that couldn't dream of having that much talent. And Yes, I'm talking about our beloved DD. Think about the game in depth, before looking at mere stats. Even Jerry Rice could not have looked good on this team the past couple of years. But don't worry Johnson doubters, word has it he loves FL anyway and the first chance he gets, may want to opt for FA and leave. Be happy for the things you have, support the players until they reach their potential, or you'll be mad their gone!

 

[JDizzle]

AJ and Troy Smith in '07 baby.

 

[Marcus]

It sure seems funny how everyone complained that Carr always locked in on AJ, and instead of looking for the 2nd receiver, always dumped it off to DD.

You'd think that all those times that Carr locked on him, AJ would have been open more times than he was. Oh, wait a minute . . . are we about to hear the double team excuse?

AJ had better show me something this year . . . I don't give a good ******* WHO the QB is. If you're an elite receiver, then play like an elite receiver.

 

[bigtex77]

It sure seems funny how everyone complained that Carr always locked in on AJ, and instead of looking for the 2nd receiver, always dumped it off to DD.

You'd think that all those times that Carr locked on him, AJ would have been open more times than he was. Oh, wait a minute . . . are we about to hear the double team excuse?

AJ had better show me something this year . . . I don't give a good ******* WHO the QB is. If you're an elite receiver, then play like an elite receiver.

This post is funny, AJ will be fine.

 

[kingh99]

I doubt that. I don't think that you can coach up Brian Griese to become John Elway....no matter how much you try. You are what you are.

And David's a guy who rarely sees separation. His receivers must go stir crazy. David Carr lacks all the intangibles. He lacks intelligence. It has to be that. Otherwise he would do stuff like underthrow the deep route to AJ like in last night's game. An underthrow is a sure catch. He has no chemistry with his team and he's been the man for 4 years. It's crazy. At the same time I can see why Kubes likes him. He'll take the sack over the int every time.

 

[Maddict5]

i do agree that AJ is the golden boy of this MB and probably deserves more criticism, like carr, when it is deserved....i remember, especialy in the st louis game (i think), carr threw it his way alot without too much success so its not like hes not being given opportunities..he should have made that catch last nite also from what ive heard.....

i still think both carr and aj will still have good seasons because i dont think we've been very creative at all this pre-season..when the reg. season starts i think we'll have more of a downfield game...as denver always have- running oriented but will take shots off PA

 

[TEXANRED]

AJ's stats would be vaslty higher with someone else (someone with NFL caliber QB credentials) at QB.

Well since this isn't the "What if" universe from Marvel comics we won't know now will we?

So basically what you are saying is if a QB puts up 250 yards 65% completion and has five rushes for 25 yards(mind you he has only had one game worth of playing time), he is a horrible QB and should be dumped. Where as the top paid receiver who catches 7 for 63 yards should immediately go to the hall of fame.

I am going to add this to every AJ post in hopes it will sink in, Carr and AJ are connected to each other. Period. A receiver could either make a QB look great or like a fool and the same for a QB. Its a team sport. Our starting O-line is looked really good against two very good D-lines with the Rams and Broncos with picking up the blitz and zone blocking. The running backs have some work to do when picking up the blitz and our receivers still have some work to do to get on the same page as Carr.

All and all, a lot of folks have been saying 8-8. We look like an 8-8 team right now. This is what one looks like.

 

[tsip]

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/live/NFL_20060812_KC@HOU
http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/live/NFL_20060819_HOU@STL
http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/live/NFL_20060827_HOU@DEN

Through three pre-season games Carr has 29/44 for 250 yards 8.6 yards a catch with a 65% completion rate and 5 rushes for 25 yards for 5 yards a carry.

Carr played one series in the first game, two quarters the second and two plus one series the third. Effectively Carr has played one full game.

AJ thru three games, same amount of quarters, has 7 catches for 63 yards for 9 yards a catch.

AJ is accounting for around 25% of Carrs production.

By just looking at the stats this tells me one of two things, 1) short passing routes designed by the coaching staff constructed to keep the chains moving. 2) AJ is getting his touches but not turning it into anything big.

Carr has played solid through the pre-season. He has done everything the coaches have asked him to do. He has lead the team and kept the team from falling apart when things go wrong.

Also for the guys who point out Carr hasn't thrown any touchdowns, keep two things in mind, 1) Our running game is smoking right now and is scoring from anywhere on the field, 2) Our best receiver is averaging 9 yards a catch.


Notice how Carrs and AJ's stats are tied to each other? AJ needs Carr as much as Carr needs AJ.

...forget something? like getting the team into the end zone? How many points has the team scored during his 'full game/4 qtr scenario?' ...

 

[run-david-run]

AJ's stats would be vaslty higher with someone else (someone with NFL caliber QB credentials) at QB.

Way to back it up! I hate it when people post 100% speculation. Guess what, he would have better stats if he did drop a pass, he would have better stats if we were a pass oriented offense, he would have better stats if he had a more agressive coach...

 

[Texans86]

i still think both carr and aj will still have good seasons because i dont think we've been very creative at all this pre-season..when the reg. season starts i think we'll have more of a downfield game...as denver always have- running oriented but will take shots off PA

Yeah, ever since the first game I haven't heard much about the roll outs and the PA passes. Maybe I just missed them, but it sounds like Carr has been stuck in the pocket the last two games. It's possible that 90% of the playbook is still hidden. I'm still waiting the hear about that "lethal" crossing pattern between Carr and A.Johnson/Moulds. It was supposedly tearing our defense apart, but hasn't been seen in preseason. There's a lot missing right now that isn't adding up to me. The offensive mastermind might show himself in two weeks when we take on Philidelphia.

 

[TEXANRED]

...forget something? like getting the team into the end zone? How many points has the team scored during his 'full game/4 qtr scenario?' ...

I covered that..................

Also for the guys who point out Carr hasn't thrown any touchdowns, keep two things in mind, 1) Our running game is smoking right now and is scoring from anywhere on the field, 2) Our best receiver is averaging 9 yards a catch

We are a run offense and guess what? We have scored T.D.'s, while Carr runs the first team, on run plays.

Remember AJ is responsible for a little more than 25% of Carr's completions and Carr has 0 T.D's. AJ has had the touches and his chance and the result for both players is a big ole goose egg.

On another note I say we start Lewis Sanders as our #1 b/c he has two touchdowns.

 

[swtbound07]

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Doesn't AJ still have one more year before he falls out of that "5 years to get it as an nfl starter" window?? Or does that only apply to the chosen DC...Sure lets dump Andre...he was only a pro-bowler. David Carr is such a brilliant qb that he can throw for 400 yard games without him!

 

[TEXANRED]

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Doesn't AJ still have one more year before he falls out of that "5 years to get it as an nfl starter" window?? Or does that only apply to the chosen DC...Sure lets dump Andre...he was only a pro-bowler. David Carr is such a brilliant qb that he can throw for 400 yard games without him!

For the record I keep saying that the success of Carr and A.J. are directly related.

 

[Kaiser Toro]

On another note I say we start Lewis Sanders as our #1 b/c he has two touchdowns.

Master of Absurdity or straight loco? You be the judge.

 

[swtbound07]

For the record I keep saying that the success of Carr and A.J. are directly related.

Not if Carr is on the bench they aren't. Just for the record.

 

[TEXANRED]

Master of Absurdity or straight loco? You be the judge.

Just keeping in line with some of the thread.

If there can be a start Sage thread why not a start Sanders thread?

 

[Kaiser Toro]

Just keeping in line with some of the thread.

If there can be a start Sage thread why not a start Sanders thread?

Survey says he is a CB?

 

[TEXANRED]

Survey says he is a CB?

Survey says he is a CB?

Ha Ha...............how embarrassing.

Who the heck am I thinking of?

That guy from the arena league..............whats his name?

Derrick Lewis!!!!!!!!!!!

Lewis Sanders, Derrick Lewis. Same guy.

Won't be the first time I have got someone's name wrong, won't be the last.

 

[Wolf]

wow, October coming fast for the witch hunt

 

[dat_boy_yec]

If AJ was on the Bengals last year with Palmer who throws the best long ball in the game ... he would be a no doubt pro-bowler . If Chad Johnson was a Texan , he'd be a talented WR who has'nt reached his potential .

WRONG! WRONG! WRONG! If Chad was a Texan he would spend alot of time with Carr gaining his trust and honing their skills together. Maybe he wouldn't be as prolific as he is in Cinci, but by the same token would A.J. be that much better production or playwise? I doubt it.

 

[edo783]

AJ has been less than reliable and hasn't played to the level a #1 reciever should, but then practicaly no one on the team has played to the level that their particular position should.

 

[Kaiser Toro]

AJ

First year plays with two QBs. Second year plays with Carr entire season and is an All-Pro. Third season is banged up and goes through dismal season along with team mates. Fourth pre season gets called out because he is guilty by association to public enemy #1.

 

[dat_boy_yec]

IMO, I'm surprised it has taken this long to see a thread really critisizing A.J. so I'll throw in my 2 cents. Him practicing at Miami isn't cool it never has been I don't mind it because obviously he doesn't care what I think. Honestly though what is he going over there to practice. A WR's job is to be in sinc with his QB. So my question would be is Carr out there with A.J.? I don't think so. So what does this do, it means A.J. becomes accustomed to receiving passes from a different QB. He can't work on the timing with them, because if he does it'll throw his timing with Carr. He conditions his body to a different QB and then returns and has to readjust to Carr. What does that mean? Slow start. Get that of course as the season progresses their timing and whatnot improve, but those are things they should come out with from the get go. A.J. is an elite athlete he should know his QB and come out in sinc with him from the get go. It shouldn't take oh FOUR YEARS for him and Carr to get in rhythm. I can't lay all the blame on A.J. for this Carr should also initiate this, but there's already enough on Carr for me to add anything. Moulds comes in and in his first pre-season I am having trouble deciphering who has a better relationship with Carr, this should be clear, there should be no question. I regress, maybe I'm stupid, maybe I just can't see the benefit of a receiver training with everybody, but his QB. If so somebody please enlighten me on this. I'll quit harping on this for now and move on to my next critisism.

 

[TEXANRED]

AJ

First year plays with two QBs. Second year plays with Carr entire season and is an All-Pro. Third season is banged up and goes through dismal season along with team mates. Fourth pre season gets called out because he is guilty by association to public enemy #1.

So let me see if I read this right.

Carr has best season in 04 and AJ goes to pro bowl. Post optimistic record of 7-9.

AJ gets hurt, Riley plays left tackle, Pendry offensive Co, go 2-14.

I can see where its all Carrs fault.

Its going to be a good year. If AJ stays healthy he gets 90 catches 1k yards and Carr throws for somewhere around 3500 yards.

8-8/9-7 thats what my magic 8 ball says. although I said 11-5 earlier in the year.

 

[CaptainPatriot]

I know I'm going to get kicked in the teeth for starting this thread, but I seriously really do wonder if this guy is all that he's cracked up to be.

I mean, this guy is 6'3" at 220, and supposedly runs a 4.3, right?

So why is it that he never gets open on a deep route? It's taken for granted that he's Carr's primary receiver. Carr looks for him more than anyone else. How come he never gets separation? Chad Johnson does it for Carson Palmer. Marvin Harrison does it for Peyton Manning. TO does it for whoever the quarterback is. So does Randy Moss.

Double coverage is a non-starter here. All primary receivers are double covered. Not having a decent 2nd receiver is an excuse I take issue with also.

Is he just not that quick? I'd love to see what his time in the short shuttle was in the combine, as compared to his 40 time.

And what about jump balls? Why is that when Carr goes deep to AJ, it's always a jumpball with the cornerback who is covering like a blanket? Again, no separation. But even then, when you have a 6'3" going up against a 5'8" in those situations, like last night, you'd think there would be better results.

Carr gets a lot of money, and right now he's not earning it, but I don't think AJ is earning those big bucks either. I expect more production from such an 'elite' receiver. Right now, I think he's overrated.

you forgot to add..... stop calling end arounds for AJ he is not built for that. More of a straight line runner.I would like to see Sage throw to him on slant or skinny post and in stride.That is what he is built for. I Guess we will have to wait till DC is benched.

 

[dat_boy_yec]

Another thing is the dropped balls. I mean c'mon he's supposed to be elite. This isn't something new and after all these yrs. he's still making drops. I don't know what the problem is, but dude needs to find a solution. I get so tired of hearing Carr isn't getting him the ball right, he throws horribly. Sorry to break it, but A.J. not having his balance can't be blamed on Carr. Sure all wide receivers drop some catches, but A.J. is called elite and he doesn't make elite catches. I was at the K.C. game and A.J. could have had that pass that was tipped by the LB had he really been elite. Someone else back me up on this, because the play wasn't shown on TV, but A.J. let a pass go through his hands in the endzone. I remember that play, because I was livid when I saw it. The ball went through his hands, because when it was coming at him it was a spiral and after it went through his hands it was wobbling. They may be connecting and being somewhat productive, but that's not the problem. The problem is how many drives, scores, highlights are left on the field because A.J. doesn't live up to his elite status. Don't get me wrong I love the guy and think he has tons of potential, but you gotta call it like you see it.

 

[MrMeToo]

AJ is a beast. Carr sucks. People just need to admit it. If Johnson was on any other team, he would be considered the best receiver in the NFL. Some people said they are tired of people comlaing about Carr not getting him the ball, but the fact is it's true.

 

[dat_boy_yec]

AJ is a beast. Carr sucks. People just need to admit it. If Johnson was on any other team, he would be considered the best receiver in the NFL. Some people said they are tired of people comlaing about Carr not getting him the ball, but the fact is it's true.

Then please explain all the balls A.J. had in his hands and dropped?

 

[MrMeToo]

Then please explain all the balls A.J. had in his hands and dropped?

Yeah, Carr does no wrong I forgot. That's why he is so respected around the league.

 

[Divebomb]

First off, how can anyone say that AJ does not get seperation. If you are watching the game on the T.V. you can not even see down the field, and if you are at the game and focusing on AJ you would never make such a comment. AJ gets plenty of seperation, Carr just has not thrown the ball down field this preseason. Carr has the short ball syndrome.

 

[MrMeToo]

First off, how can anyone say that AJ does not get seperation. If you are watching the game on the T.V. you can not even see down the field, and if you are at the game and focusing on AJ you would never make such a comment. AJ gets plenty of seperation, Carr just has not thrown the ball down field this preseason. Carr has the short ball syndrome.

Agreed.

 

[Texans86]

Yeah, Carr does no wrong I forgot. That's why he is so respected around the league.

Amazingly enough, he is fairly respected. Still not living up to potential around many circles. If he was let go at 10:01 PM (current time), he'd be getting phone calls before 10:05. The physical talent is there. He currently is making rookie mistakes right now. I'll take rookie mistakes again. It's a step forward from last year.

 

[Texans86]

First off, how can anyone say that AJ does not get seperation. If you are watching the game on the T.V. you can not even see down the field, and if you are at the game and focusing on AJ you would never make such a comment. AJ gets plenty of seperation, Carr just has not thrown the ball down field this preseason. Carr has the short ball syndrome.

This brings about the same point I made earlier in the post. What happened to that crossing pattern some posters claimed would tear apart defenses this year? Are they just not showing it until the regular season? I want more bootlegs, crossing patterns and PA passes. Maybe in the regular season...

 

[MrMeToo]

Amazingly enough, he is fairly respected. Still not living up to potential around many circles. If he was let go at 10:01 PM (current time), he'd be getting phone calls before 10:05. The physical talent is there. He currently is making rookie mistakes right now. I'll take rookie mistakes again. It's a step forward from last year.

Wow.Are you serious? Rookie Mistakes?

 

[dat_boy_yec]

Yeah, Carr does no wrong I forgot. That's why he is so respected around the league.

Carr makes mistakes. I'm not blind, but all I asked is that you explain A.J. dropping balls which were catchable.

 

[Divebomb]

Carr makes mistakes. I'm not blind, but all I asked is that you explain A.J. dropping balls which were catchable.

Even Jerry Rice dropped alot of balls. He is human, it does happen.

 

[WILLIEG]

Look guys, everything starts up front with our O-line. This is not intended to take Carr's side, but the man hasn't had the best O-line since entering the NFL. I hope that problen will be fixed this year, however, I believe we are still One piece away from a permanant solution at LT. If Carr can't be protected he will never have enough time to throw a deep route. It's diffently not AJ that is the problem. It's the O-line and Carr's trust in them in keeping him off his backside. It's going to take a while for him to develope this trust and even longer if the O-line can't protect his *** from getting sacked. Why do you think GK plans on rolling Carr out on bootlegs? Yes Carr can throw on the run, but that's not the REAL reason. It's because our O-line still is weak and your only as strong as your weakest link in the game of football. It would be nice to see Carr sit in the pocket like Palmer tonight and drill his WR's, but he doesn't have the time. It's only until he has this time in the pocket that he will be able to develop into a better QB and go through his reads instead of running to the sideline hoping to complete a pass to a WR destined to go out of bounds. AJ or Carr are not the problem at all guys!

 

[dat_boy_yec]

Even Jerry Rice dropped alot of balls. He is human, it does happen.

Not as many and not as many of them were as easy to catch as some of the passes we've seen Andre drop. All I'm saying is that A.J. isn't living up to his elite status yet.

 

[edo783]

Not as many and not as many of them were as easy to catch as some of the passes we've seen Andre drop. All I'm saying is that A.J. isn't living up to his elite status yet.

That's a fact. Very unreliable for a #1 WR.

 

[Napa Auto Parts]

Even Jerry Rice dropped alot of balls. He is human, it does happen.

But jerry had Chumps throwing him the ball he would of been lucky to have a talented strong armed Gun Slinger like David Carr throwing them 3 to 7 yards Bombs we Love so much. how dare we blame any short coming A.J has on David Carr he is clearly not to blame at all.






*Wondering how much Negative Rep i will get from the Carr Homers for this. LOL

 

[bigtex77]

But jerry had Chumps throwing him the ball he would of been lucky to have a talented strong armed Gun Slinger like David Carr throwing them 3 to 7 yards Bombs we Love so much. how dare we blame any short coming A.J has on David Carr he is clearly not to blame at all.






*Wondering how much Negative Rep i will get from the Carr Homers for this. LOL

So, which comedy club might we be seeing you at?

 

[Marcus]

He got separation last game.

Really? Enlighten me.

I not saying that AJ is a stiff out there. I just want to know why such an elite receiver, supposedly the equal of T.O., Chad Johnson, Randy Moss, Harrison, and the like, was not open any time that Carr 'locked in on him' last year?

It's all I'm asking. I mean, if he was THAT much better than Corey Bradford last year, I sure didn't see it.

Yeah yeah . . the whole team played bad last year, Carr sucks, blah blah blah.

I'm just sayin . . . if Carr is expected to step it up this year, I expect a certain elite wide receiver to do the same.

I expect an elite receiver to do the remarkable highlight catch. I expect an elite receiver to get open and be available when Carr scrambles. I expect an elite receiver to adjust the ball. I expect an elite receiver to win the jumpballs. I expect an elite receiver to beat his man deep every once in a great while. I expect an elite receiver to show me something.

 

[Kaiser Toro]

The best way to utilize AJ given our QB's strengths is to continue to throw the hitch and make AJ earn all of his yards. Everyone knows this is how most of the better WR's earn their paychecks.

 

[eriadoc]

Really? Enlighten me.

I not saying that AJ is a stiff out there. I just want to know why such an elite receiver, supposedly the equal of T.O., Chad Johnson, Randy Moss, Harrison, and the like, was not open any time that Carr 'locked in on him' last year?

It's all I'm asking. I mean, if he was THAT much better than Corey Bradford last year, I sure didn't see it.

Yeah yeah . . the whole team played bad last year, Carr sucks, blah blah blah.

I'm just sayin . . . if Carr is expected to step it up this year, I expect a certain elite wide receiver to do the same.

I expect an elite receiver to do the remarkable highlight catch. I expect an elite receiver to get open and be available when Carr scrambles. I expect an elite receiver to adjust the ball. I expect an elite receiver to win the jumpballs. I expect an elite receiver to beat his man deep every once in a great while. I expect an elite receiver to show me something.

I have to say, Marcus has a point. You can discount it all you want with the "Carr sucks" mantra, but that doesn't exonerate AJ by a long shot. There are plenty of cases in the past where a great WR has made a QB look good. That's not happening here in Houston.

If AJ really is elite, he needs to be doing the things Marcus stated. CJ made Kitna look good. Boldin and Fitzgerald made McCown look good last year. Chambers made Frerotte look good last year. Hell, even Elvis Grbac looked good for a while in SF, years ago. Yeah, Carr needs to step up. Take a step back from your blind hatred of Carr and realize that AJ does as well.

 

[Vinny]

It's hard to make your qb look good when his best pass is the hitch pass

 

[Kaiser Toro]

I have to say, Marcus has a point. You can discount it all you want with the "Carr sucks" mantra, but that doesn't exonerate AJ by a long shot. There are plenty of cases in the past where a great WR has made a QB look good. That's not happening here in Houston.

If AJ really is elite, he needs to be doing the things Marcus stated. CJ made Kitna look good. Boldin and Fitzgerald made McCown look good last year. Chambers made Frerotte look good last year. Hell, even Elvis Grbac looked good for a while in SF, years ago. Yeah, Carr needs to step up. Take a step back from your blind hatred of Carr and realize that AJ does as well.

But once again you make my point. Those QB's are making pennies on the dollar and allows you to spend that money on better linemen, TE's, FB's, etc. that help the passing game. This game is tied to a monetary value at each position for each unit.

AJ has played two full years one was his rookie year and the other was an All-Pro year. Makes total sense to dawg AJ for the Carr sympathizers while keeping their bubble boy safe from criticism.

 

[Vinny]

AJ has played two full years one was his rookie year and the other was an All-Pro year. Makes total sense to dawg AJ for the Carr sympathizers while keeping their bubble boy safe from criticism.

that's the rule of houstontexans.com. Only one guy gets 60+ starts to show his mad skillz. Everyone else better play better faster so Carr can hurry up and 'look good'.

 

[eriadoc]

But once again you make my point. Those QB's are making pennies on the dollar and allows you to spend that money on better linemen, TE's, FB's, etc. that help the passing game. This game is tied to a monetary value at each position for each unit.

AJ has played two full years one was his rookie year and the other was an All-Pro year. Makes total sense to dawg AJ for the Carr sympathizers while keeping their bubble boy safe from criticism.

Not quite. I'm not exonerating Carr, either. The opportunities have ben there for AJ to do the things mentioned in Marcus' post, yet he hasn't done them very often at all. To evaluate the results of a play, a game, or a season, you have to take total team performance into account, but within that framework, you can evaluate individual responsibility. Carr has not lived up to his part, that's for sure. Now take that and put it to the side. Neither has AJ. It's not that hard to separate these things and try and view them objectively, but so many people can't get past the Carr debate on this board.

As for the money, I agree with your general premise about allocation and the problems that arise from that. However, McNair and Co. decide who gets paid what, not David Carr. See the Bush scenario for proof of that. If you have an issue with the money part of it, look to McNair and Co. If you have an issue with Carr not performing to the level that the coaches expect, then that's squarely on Carr. If you have a problem with Carr not playing up to the money level, then there's a bit of a gray area.

At any rate, I'll reiterate - I'm not exonerating Carr here; I am trying to keep the thread on topic, and that's AJ's performance relative to expectations.

 

[infantrycak]

AJ has played two full years one was his rookie year and the other was an All-Pro year. Makes total sense to dawg AJ for the Carr sympathizers while keeping their bubble boy safe from criticism.

Who is keeping bubble boy safe? Is there some reason people can't expect everyone to play to their best ability? Carr absolutely has to regain his faith in the deep ball and take chances down field--no doubt an area of desparate need for improvement. That's half the equation. Once the ball leaves his hand, AJ and Moulds both should play at a pro-bowl level. I don't hold the Moulds play against him at all--that kind of play is a guess by both the QB and the WR and it was just short of working. The AJ play could have been run better--I'd bet he would say the same thing and has vowed to do better next time. It isn't unreasonable though to expect two pro-bowlers to make the most of the opportunities that come their way.

I would hope and assume Kubiak is sitting with Carr in a room looking at game film we can't see and telling Carr AJ is open enough here, throw the ball to his outside shoulder--trust him to make the play, etc. Carr has to unlock the Capers/Pendry padlock that is on his brain that wasn't there when he was tossing deep to Bradford and Lewis coming out of college. Pretty simple fact is if Bradford and Lewis could get open enough so can AJ and Moulds--Carr has to make the throws.