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All Encompassing Matt Schaub Thread

Lucky

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Not a surprise. What I didn't know was the connection between Raider HC Dennis Allen and Schaub.

Matt Schaub will not need to win a quarterback competition in Oakland to become the Raiders’ starting quarterback. He already is the Raiders’ starting quarterback.

Raiders coach Dennis Allen said after Schaub arrived in a trade with the Texans that Schaub will open the season as the No. 1 quarterback.

“We brought Matt Schaub in to be our starting quarterback,” Allen said. “We feel very confident that he is going to be able to come in and function in that role and be outstanding for us. Obviously, we love having competition within the team, but right now Matt Schaub is our starting quarterback.”

The Raiders also have Terrelle Pryor, Matt McGloin and Trent Edwards on the roster, and they could draft a quarterback like Teddy Bridgewater, Blake Bortles, Johnny Manziel or Derek Carr. But Allen, who was an assistant coach in Atlanta when the Falcons drafted Schaub in 2004, says Schaub is his guy.

“This is a guy that is a two-time Pro Bowl player. When you get an opportunity to add those type of players, that’s what we’re looking to do,” Allen said.
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Allen knew Schaub from his days in Atlanta. He also had to be impressed with Schaub rallying the Texans to two 4th quarter FGs against the Raiders last year, only to lose by 5. That was one of the two games where Matt didn't throw an INT (the other vs the Rams). Of course, he only played a half in those contests.
 
I've got to admit that I was wrong about the Raiders looking for a starter. I thought they would be content with Pryor & McGluv'n....

Perhaps I was also wrong about the Browns as they were also said to be interested in trading for him.
 
I have no idea what kind of a season Schaub is gonna have in Oakland, but he might fool a lot of Texans "fans" who think he's washed up in this league. Obviously there's quite a few NFL people (and not just the Raider's HC) who think Matts still got a future in this league. BTW, Schaub was a whole lot cheaper for the Raiders than Carson was.
 
I don't see him starting for long, but who knows? If Oakland doesn't have a good O-line they got themselves a very immobile QB who is gonna get killed.
 
Yes this was the plan all along. After two 4-12 seasons -- hampered by salary cap -- Reggie needs to show some improvement now to keep his job, IMO.

I think it'll be Browns vs. Raiders for Sammy Watkins.
 
Thorn said:
I don't see him starting for long, but who knows? If Oakland doesn't have a good O-line they got themselves a very immobile QB who is gonna get killed.
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Matt usually does a pretty good job about getting the ball out & avoiding sacks. Not as good as Peyton, but better than most.
 
Thorn said:
I don't see him starting for long, but who knows? If Oakland doesn't have a good O-line they got themselves a very immobile QB who is gonna get killed.
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If something doesn't dramatically change this year, Schaub will only think he had a bad OL. Last year, ProFootballFocus ranked Raiders OL line at #29 as compared to Texans #16.:kitten:
 
Playoffs said:
Revamped. They signed Penn, Saffold, Howard, and Boothe. One of those OTs will slide to G, with Watson watching/learning unless he surprises.
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Losing Veldheer is a negative. Penn has durability but is far from anything special.......and he is not OT material, maybe guard. The Raiders continue to pee money down the drain with contracts such as what humdrum Howard got. And Boothe looked less than stellar with the Giants playing guard or center. Last but not least, wasn't Watson the one someone on the Raiders said he just doesn't look like he has it? Between calf and knee injuries and surgery, he virtually never saw the field........and if I remember, he's never played LT, but that was what they wanted of him. I've never really understood the Raiders of old. And now, the Raiders are getting rid of Al's players while replacing them just as quickly with more expensive but no more productive players.

I don't believe that there is a reason to be to excited about what OL the Raiders will be putting together to protect their QB(s) in 2014.:)
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
I don't believe that there is a reason to be to excited about what OL the Raiders will be putting together to protect their QB(s) in 2014.:)
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Good thing that according to our TT mock draft they will be able to add Sammy Watkins, Morgan Moses, and Cyril Richardson.
 
Blake said:
Good thing that according to our TT mock draft they will be able to add Sammy Watkins, Morgan Moses, and Cyril Richardson.
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If they get Moses, at best, he'll be a guard. As far as Richardson, he's someone I'd hate to see without a T shirt.......overweight and underconditioned. He's not NFL LT material. Even if they try him at RT, I see possible bust written all over. As it appears now, their OL will be made up of a rotational mix of questionable OL talent with even more questionable talent.:thinking:
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
If they get Moses, at best, he'll be a guard. As far as Richardson, he's someone I'd hate to see without a T shirt.......overweight and underconditioned. He's not NFL LT material. Even if they try him at RT, I see possible bust written all over. As it appears now, their OL will be made up of a rotational mix of questionable OL talent with even more questionable talent.:thinking:
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Not sure that I agree with your assessment. I believe they are day 1 starter material. Moses at RT and Richardson at RG.
 
under fire GM Reggie McKenzie and HC Dennis Allen have hitched their wagon on Matt Schaub.

good luck with that.
 
om man get rdy for PICK SIXES and a bunch of throw aways OAK town LOL

if matt thought the AFCS was a hard Div now he has to face

SAN DEGIO

CHEIFS

DENVER

all twice yikes ..!!!! LOL
 
Trap_Star said:
under fire GM Reggie McKenzie and HC Dennis Allen have hitched their wagon on Matt Schaub.

good luck with that.
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Hitched?

Let's say Teddy Bridgewater falls to them & they take him. After a few weeks of training camp, Dennis Allen believes TeddyB gives them the best opportunity to win, & though they like Matt Schaub, they see the results of his Lisfranc leaves him competent in spurts & would be better spent as a back-up.

They can cut him & only be on the hook for his roster bonus (I believe it is due before training camp)... & be free & clear of him. They can cut him after the season & not affect their future cap in anyway.

If he plays he gets paid. If he don't.. he don't. They couldn't be in a better position with Schaub.
 
thunderkyss said:
They can cut him & only be on the hook for his roster bonus (I believe it is due before training camp)... & be free & clear of him.
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I don't think he gets the bonus until he plays in a game. Actually, I think it's per game bonus. If Schuab were cut prior to the season, the Raiders would "only" be out a 6th round pick. And the eggs that would be on their face.
 
Lucky said:
I don't think he gets the bonus until he plays in a game. Actually, I think it's per game bonus. If Schuab were cut prior to the season, the Raiders would "only" be out a 6th round pick. And the eggs that would be on their face.
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Which they've developed an immunity to at this point.
 
ObsiWan said:
I believe we'll have to put NitroFish in a padded room.
...with no internet access
:kitten:
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lol...

thunderkyss said:
Hitched?

Let's say Teddy Bridgewater falls to them & they take him. After a few weeks of training camp, Dennis Allen believes TeddyB gives them the best opportunity to win, & though they like Matt Schaub, they see the results of his Lisfranc leaves him competent in spurts & would be better spent as a back-up.

They can cut him & only be on the hook for his roster bonus (I believe it is due before training camp)... & be free & clear of him. They can cut him after the season & not affect their future cap in anyway.

If he plays he gets paid. If he don't.. he don't. They couldn't be in a better position with Schaub.
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Yea I think they made a great move for a change and not because I am a Schaub fan, but for the exact reason you stated. If he delivers they are geniuses, if he fails it cost them next to nothing, and everyone will say "It's The Raiders what did you expect?"

If McFadden can stay healthy, and they do get Evans, and have a decent draft. Schaub could do very well for them. Allot better than they are used to that's for sure, and from what I have been reading, Raiders fans actually seem like they want the guy and look at him as an improvement. Silly Raiders fans.
 
Nitrofish said:
If McFadden can stay healthy, and they do get Evans, and have a decent draft. Schaub could do very well for them. Allot better than they are used to that's for sure, and from what I have been reading, Raiders fans actually seem like they want the guy and look at him as an improvement. Silly Raiders fans.
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It's a QB driven league. If Greg Olsen does everything he can to get Schaub into his zone & keep him there, I think Schaub is going to surprise a lot of people. If they try to build their offensive attack around McFadden, they're just asking for trouble.
 
Meh, I don't hate Schaub as many do. That said, it was certainly time for him to move on. I wish him good luck. A change of scenery may serve him well.

At the same time I'm more concerned about our Texans. Schaub was done here. He was like a golfer that gets the "yips"..

And the fact that the Texans got a draft choice, albeit a late draft choice for him is awesome considering they would cut him in June and get NADA for him!
 
Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter
Raiders QB Matt Schaub restructured deal with OAK, lowering base salary and cap # this year; still can earn $15-$20M the next two seasons.
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NFL: AroundTheLeague ‏@NFL_ATL
Matt Schaub re-did his deal with Raiders, per @RapSheet. Lowers base salary, but can earn between $13M and $21M over the next two years.
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Lucky said:
Not a surprise. What I didn't know was the connection between Raider HC Dennis Allen and Schaub.


Allen knew Schaub from his days in Atlanta. He also had to be impressed with Schaub rallying the Texans to two 4th quarter FGs against the Raiders last year, only to lose by 5. That was one of the two games where Matt didn't throw an INT (the other vs the Rams). Of course, he only played a half in those contests.
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Kinda random, but I got a nice giggle out of the bolded. Rallying to two FGs to lose by 5. I don't know why I got a kick out of it. Maybe it's typical to what last season was, a huge bucket o fail
 
Truthfully, when one considers that in his time here Schaub's inability to read defenses was due in large part to Kubiak not allowing him to audible from the line I think he MIGHT do a better job in Oakland. I wish the muff-hugga luck.
 
Oakland Raiders coach Dennis Allen told reporters Friday he saw Matt Schaub as a long-term solution who could lead the team at quarterback for several years.

That faith in Schaub's ability won't necessarily preclude the Raiders from investing in a QB in the upcoming NFL Draft, however.

"I don't think you ever take anything off the table," Allen told NFL Media Insider Ian Rapoport and a small group of reporters at the NFL Annual Meeting in Orlando, Fla. on Sunday. "You have your checklist. We've got these holes we need to fill. That's one that we feel like we've been able to check off the list. We filled that."
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Most interesting, I thought, was how they were talking on the video that the offseason moves made by the Raiders gives you the feel that they are in "win now" mode.

They were last place in a division where the other three teams had winning records, they all made the play-offs. Surely they were not one player away from a winning season, much less a championship. They've got "holes" all over their roster, but they're making a "substantial" push to "win now"

I think they're treading water, but I'll keep an ear to the ground to see if anyone else thinks they may be on the move.
 
HOU-TEX said:
Kinda random, but I got a nice giggle out of the bolded. Rallying to two FGs to lose by 5. I don't know why I got a kick out of it. Maybe it's typical to what last season was, a huge bucket o fail
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Hey, I was trying to be positive. Schaub can lead a team to FG range. But he can't kick it in for ya.
 
Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet
From what I understand, Matt Schaub's cap number for 2014 is now around $7.5M. He re-did his deal with the #Raiders after the trade.
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Playoffs said:
Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter


NFL: AroundTheLeague ‏@NFL_ATL
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Kinda curious. I thought one of the apealing things about him was that he was going to take up a big chunk of their salary cap. This move kinda kills that line of thinking. I'd like to see more details... I didn't think Schaub would want to restructure.

Dread-Head said:
Truthfully, when one considers that in his time here Schaub's inability to read defenses was due in large part to Kubiak not allowing him to audible from the line I think he MIGHT do a better job in Oakland. I wish the muff-hugga luck.
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I never put too much into the not being able to audible yak. The offense is designed the way it's designed and the traditional audible system was not necessary.

When you watch the videos here, you can see how a single play can unfold several different ways depending on what the QB sees before & after the snap. In one of them, he mentions how the routes on one side of the field are designed to attack a zone defense & the other side, the routes are designed to attack man defense. So if the QB sees zone, his read starts on that side of the field & works back the other way. If he reads man, it starts on the other side & works back from there.

Then both sides have adjustments for the blitz.

I understand wanting our QB to have the freedom (or the snap) to change a play to adjust for a mismatch in our favor, but that's totally different than being able to read a defense... which I thought Matt was pretty good at.
 
I've got a Raiders forum bookmarked. I don't ever post there, don't have an account, just visit from time to time to get opinions on things that are not Houston-Centric. I've also got boards from most other teams bookmarked for the same thing.

This Raiders board is one of the ones I rarely visit, just not that interested in the constant moaning & groaning. But I decided to take a look after the recent interaction between our two teams.

So..... here's a link, you may be interested in.
 
Raiders coach Dennis Allen on Matt Schaub:
“We have a quarterback now that’s on par with the quarterbacks in this division”
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-ALLEN: My preference is, guys that can move the team down the field, guys who can put points on the board. I think there’s certain qualities you look at in the quarterbacks that have been able to be successful over the years.
I’m talking about guys like Drew Brees, who I was with, I’m talking about guys like Peyton Manning, I’m talking about guys like Tom Brady, guys that their work ethic is unmatched; they’re the first ones in the building, they’re the last one to leave.

They have the ability to process information quickly and they can throw the ball with timing and accuracy. And those are the things you have to be able to do to play the quarterback position.
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I wish Schaub the best. I honestly hope the Raiders win the division. Most likely not going to happen, but I would love the turmoil it would cause if it happened.
 
Playoffs said:
Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet

From what I understand, Matt Schaub's cap number for 2014 is now around $7.5M. He re-did his deal with the #Raiders after the trade.
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Not surprising. After the season he had here in Houston, and the way he was treated, I doubt he had any intention of playing for the Texans this year.
 
Texan_Bill said:
Meh, I don't hate Schaub as many do. That said, it was certainly time for him to move on. I wish him good luck. A change of scenery may serve him well.

At the same time I'm more concerned about our Texans. Schaub was done here. He was like a golfer that gets the "yips"..

And the fact that the Texans got a draft choice, albeit a late draft choice for him is awesome considering they would cut him in June and get NADA for him!
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I'm with you here Bill. He put in some very good years in Houston - and time will tell whether he has anything left in the tank.

It will be interesting to see how he does in Oakland, after an offseason of learning a new system. Obviously the coaching staff over there have plans/a belief in him getting the job done.

It was just one of those times where someone's natural stay had come to an end. It is sort of like a Peyton in Indy ending for me. The team did not view the player as the future, and the player wanted another chance to prove their worth in the league. It should be an amicable ending to his tenure in Houston and a fresh start for both parties.
 
thunderkyss said:
Koch&Kalu.. <-- they discuss a lot of stuff on this podcast with a former scout. He's got a lot to say about Schaub starting aroun 18:20
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Thanks for the share TK. Was a good interview and debate. It's funny that this will be the soap opera story of the season. All of the haters sitting on the edge of their seat chanting "pick 6", pick 6, pick 6" every time Schaub plays, and all of the supporters fingers crossed, biting their nails chanting "no pick 6, no pick 6, no pick 6". Good Luck Matt!

Edit: You gotta wonder what it feels like to be TP. I mean how does one feel about being demoted to 3rd string, and most likely cut for a 32 year old, washed up, record pick 6 throwing, concrete shoes wearing, mediocre QB like Matt Schaub?
 
Just an observation. The Raiders are not only the place where players seem to go to "die," but also where there appears to be a Bermuda Triangle where Lisfranc injuries come to roost. Schaub will be in good company. Darren McFadden suffered a Lisfranc in 2011 and went from a 5.5 ypc to 2 years of 3.3 ypc. Maurice Jones-Drew has now joined the Raiders. He suffered a Lisfranc fracture in 2012. In contrast to his previous career that had been relatively injury-free, from the beginning of the 2013 season and continuing throughout, he sustained every compensatory injury under the sun.......knee sprain, ankle sprain, hamstring sprain and another foot strain. He went from an average of ~4.8 ypc over his career to 3.4 ypc. Next, their WR Jacoby Ford sustained a Lisfranc fracture September 2012 that had him miss the entire season. When he came back in 2013, he said he was 100% healthy. His ypc average went from ~17 in years prior to injury to 7 in 2013. Last but not least, Shawntae Spencer, who was supposed to be Raiders' starting CB in 2013, sustained a Lisfranc fracture September 2013, went on to miss the entire season. What is to be expected from him this year can pretty well be predicted.

So goes the Lisfranc Raiders story........or is it a magnetic curse?
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Just an observation. The Raiders are not only the place where players seem to go to "die," but also where there appears to be a Bermuda Triangle where Lisfranc injuries come to roost. Schaub will be in good company. Darren McFadden suffered a Lisfranc in 2011 and went from a 5.5 ypc to 2 years of 3.3 ypc. Maurice Jones-Drew has now joined the Raiders. He suffered a Lisfranc fracture in 2012. In contrast to his previous career that had been relatively injury-free, from the beginning of the 2013 season and continuing throughout, he sustained every compensatory injury under the sun.......knee sprain, ankle sprain, hamstring sprain and another foot strain. He went from an average of ~4.8 ypc over his career to 3.4 ypc. Next, their WR Jacoby Ford sustained a Lisfranc fracture September 2012 that had him miss the entire season. When he came back in 2013, he said he was 100% healthy. His ypc average went from ~17 in years prior to injury to 7 in 2013. Last but not least, Shawntae Spencer, who was supposed to be Raiders' starting CB in 2013, sustained a Lisfranc fracture September 2013, went on to miss the entire season. What is to be expected from him this year can pretty well be predicted.

So goes the Lisfranc Raiders story........or is it a magnetic curse?
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Annefranc's sister hates Oakland?
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
So goes the Lisfranc Raiders story........or is it a magnetic curse?
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Lisfranc Island... where football careers go to slowly wither away.
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