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All Encompassing Lockout Thread

Picked this scoop up on a different site:

For the record, they just clarified through the legal expert on NFLN that the union didn't de-certify they simply dissolved.

Difference being that full-on decertification involves filing a lot of formal paperwork with the NLRB, which was not the case in this scenario - instead the union simply said that it was no longer representing the players association, which gave the NFLPA access to suing under anti-trust laws.

All that's required to reincorporate (bad word, but it's the one that's coming to mind, "reassemble" might be more appropriate) as a union, in so much as is legally required to pass a CBA, is for the association to show proof that 51% of membership have the intent of reunionizing (in addition to the separate issue of approving the CBA).

D. Smith and the player reps have been stressing that they want to ensure that every player voice is heard, though in large part this is likely because the union/PA wants to ensure that the tactic of de-certifying or dissolving the union for purposes of being able to sue the league under antitrust law is available to them in any future labor disputes. So it is a case not that the PA/Union has to, but that they want to.
 
Michael Silver wrote:
Ok, here's where we are on labor. Both sides ready to approve settlement with conditions, but there's still a significant staredown...
...Players say nfl lawyer bob batterman wants them to agree to adhere to terms of 2006 cba on non-compensation issues...
...Players want to recertify and THEN negotiate new terms...
Issues in play include: Discipline-grievance process, drug testing/substance abuse, disability bens, pensions, work rules, health & safety
 
...Players want to recertify and THEN negotiate new terms...
Issues in play include: Discipline-grievance process, drug testing/substance abuse, disability bens, pensions, work rules, health & safety

Was this the stuff Chester Pitts was rambling on about? He said that there were things that simply could NOT be negotiated until AFTER re-certification. Seems like a longer list than I expected.
 
So after 4 months, why isn't the union prepared to recertify (or
reform ) again so they can consummate the new CBA ? D. Smith and his crack legal team appear to have dropped the ball ?
 
Just to jack with the players, I'd hire nothing but scrubs and do the whole season that way. I'd watch it and go to every game just to spite those SOBs. That would show their asses who the boss is.

"HeHateMe" could come out of retirement!

That guy's by far the most-memorable Non-NFL player
in history.
 
Footballsfuture.com forums:

Based on the reports, the players want this:

We will vote to approve the settlement, but it will take a few days to re-certify (thus, we cannot vote on the CBA for a few days). We want the owners to end the lockout while we recertify and allow us to negotiate the non-compensation portions of the CBA when the recertification is complete

The owners want this:

We will vote to approve the settlement, but we want you to accept the 2006 (expiring) CBA in all aspects except the compensation (which is detailed in the global settlement) otherwise we will not end the lockout.
 
Per Schefter

De Smith and Roger Goodell have been on phone the past hour, trying to work out a way to lift lockout if both sides approve deal tonight.

NFL could open facilities as early as Friday so players can use them to discuss issue and sign union cards needed for recertification.
 
I feel like I'm watching a dash to the endzone....GO!...GO!!.....GOOOOOO!!!!

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But for God's sakes don't trip on your way in.
 
Over 30% of the Bills season tickets are folks from Toronto (which is why they are playing some of their home games in Toronto now). The city of Buffalo cannot economically support the team, much less build a new stadium to keep up with other NFL teams.

And then there is this: Buffalo Bills Attendance Drops Dramatically In 2010

"The report indicates that The Ralph was full of Bills fans at an 86.2 percent capacity this season. That's the second-lowest percentage in the AFC, ahead of just Oakland."

I'm not trying to advocate moving the Bills. What I am trying to figure out is where is the cut-off point for the NFL to financially support a franchise to keep it alive?

I agree about the greed. It's a capitalistic system, though, so part of the American economic landscape. And with the exception of taxpayer financed stadiums, I cannot be against a free market enterprise. The NFL is supply and demand at it's finest.

You know what? After having remembered ALL those Sundays of watching Paul MaGuire (ex Bills players) act like a royal ass when he had the displeasure of being on the broadcast crew of Oilers games (on NBC).....it would be fine with me if the Bills ceased to exist. Tasker can suck it, too.

You can't stop the change train. We know all about THAT.
 
BREAKING: Resolution passed by the owners.


This is all that the owners can do. It's all up to the players now.
 
Hall of Fame Game cancelled. Facilities open Saturday, and league year will start next Wednesday pending on the union re-certifying.
 
Actually, make it Tuesday.

JasonLaCanfora Jason La Canfora
Following the reconstitution of the NFLPA and CBA approval by NFLPA, free agency signings start at 2ET on 7/27, per the NFL press release


Also, no op-out clause in the CBA. 10 solid years of Football!
 
Actually, make it Tuesday.

JasonLaCanfora Jason La Canfora
Following the reconstitution of the NFLPA and CBA approval by NFLPA, free agency signings start at 2ET on 7/27, per the NFL press release


Also, no op-out clause in the CBA. 10 solid years of Football!

I'm getty greedy. Now I want 10 years of solid football. :D
 
Here's the full press release:


NFL clubs approve comprehensive agreement
NFL clubs approved today the terms of a comprehensive settlement of litigation and a new 10-year collective bargaining agreement with the NFL Players Association.

The vote was taken at a league meeting in Atlanta where the clubs were briefed on the terms of the agreement and the rules for the transition into the new League Year. The agreement must be ratified by the NFL Players Association in order for the league year to begin.

“We are pleased to announce that our clubs have approved the terms of a long-term negotiated agreement with the NFL players,” said NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell. “It includes many positive changes that emerged from a spirit of compromise rooted in doing what is best for the game and players. DeMaurice Smith and his team, and the players and owners involved in the negotiations, deserve great credit for their skill and professionalism. If approved by the players, this agreement will allow the league and its players to continue to benefit from the NFL’s popularity and will afford a unique opportunity to deliver to fans an even better, safer, and more competitive game in the future.

“On behalf of the NFL, our teams and players, I want to express our deep appreciation to Chief Magistrate Judge Arthur Boylan. Judge Boylan was the court-appointed mediator, but his contributions far exceeded that role. His patience, determination, and commitment helped keep everyone focused on the goal, and helped lead us to today’s announcement.”

The NFL announced that players can begin voluntary workouts at club facilities on July 23 if the NFLPA Executive Board approves the settlement terms. Following the reconstitution of the NFLPA as a union and approval of the new CBA by the NFLPA membership, the League Year and free agency signings will start at 2:00 PM ET on July 27 and training camps for all teams will open on July 27. Day one activities will be limited to physicals, meetings, and conditioning. Players will practice without pads on days two and three.

As part of the transition rules for the 2011 League Year, the parties have agreed that the CBA’s specified deadlines for certain free agency contract tenders will be delayed to the dates indicated below. For example, the deadline for the CBA’s “June 1 Tender” to Unrestricted Free Agents will be changed from June 1 to August 12.

Following are key dates on the revised 2011 League Calendar, contingent upon ratification of the agreement by the players prior to these dates:

JULY

July 23 Voluntary training, conditioning and classroom instruction permitted until first day of clubs’ preseason training camps.

July 23 Pre-2011 League Year Period commences. 2011 Free Agency List to be issued and will become effective on the first day of the 2011 League Year (July 27). Clubs/players may begin to renegotiate contracts. Clubs may begin to sign Drafted Rookies and their own UFAs, RFAs, Exclusive Rights Players and Franchise Players.

July 23 Waivers begin for the 2011 League Year.

July 23 Starting at 2:00 PM ET, clubs may negotiate with, but not sign, Undrafted Rookie Free Agents, free agents, and other clubs’ UFAs, RFAs, and Franchise Players.

July 24 Starting at 2:00 PM ET, clubs may begin to sign undrafted rookie free agents.

July 27 2011 League Year commences at 2:00 PM ET, provided NFLPA has ratified CBA. Free Agency Signing Period begins. Clubs may sign free agents and other clubs’ Unrestricted Free Agents. Clubs may sign Offer Sheets. Trading period begins. All Clubs must be under the Salary Cap. Top 51 rule applies.

July 27 Expand rosters to 90-man limit.

July 27 Training Camps open for all clubs, provided NFLPA has ratified CBA. Day One activities limited to physicals, meetings, and conditioning. No pads permitted on Day Two or Day Three.

AUGUST

August 9 Deadline for players under contract to report to their clubs to earn an Accrued Season for free agency.

August 11-15 First Preseason Weekend

August 12 Deadline for signing of Offer Sheets by Restricted Free Agents. (17-day period concludes)

August 12 Deadline for June 1 Tender to Unrestricted Free Agents. If the player has not signed a Player Contract with a Club by August 26, he may negotiate or sign a Player Contract from August 26 until the Tuesday following the tenth week of the regular season, at 4:00 PM ET, only with his Prior Club.

August 12 Deadline: if a Drafted Rookie has not signed a Player Contract by this date, he cannot be traded during his initial League Year and may sign a Player Contract only with the drafting Club until the day of the Draft in the next League Year.

August 13-17 Each Club has until five days prior to its second preseason game to provide any tendered but unsigned Exclusive Rights Player or Restricted Free Agent with written notice of the Club’s intent to place the player on the Exempt List if the player fails to report at least the day before the Club’s second preseason game.

August 16 Deadline for Prior Club to exercise Right of First Refusal to Restricted Free Agents. (Four-day matching period conlcudes)

August 17 Deadline for June 1 Tender to Restricted Free Agents who have received a Qualifying Offer for a Right of First Refusal Only.

August 18-22 Second Preseason Weekend.

August 25-28 Third Preseason Weekend.

August 26 Signing Period ends for Unrestricted Free Agents who received the June 1 Tender.

August 29 Deadline for June 15 Tender to Restricted Free Agents. If player’s Qualifying Offer is greater than 110% of the player’s prior year’s Paragraph 5 Salary (with all other terms of his prior year contract carried forward unchanged), the Club may withdraw the Qualifying Offer on August 29 and retain its exclusive negotiating rights to the player, so long as the Club immediately tenders the player a one-year Player Contract of at least 110% of his prior year’s Paragraph 5 Salary, with all the terms of his prior year’s contract carried forward unchanged.

August 30 Clubs reduce rosters from 90 players to 75 players.

SEPTEMBER

September 1-2 Fourth Preseason Weekend.

September 3 Clubs reduce rosters to 53 players.

September 8-12 First Regular-Season Weekend.

September 18-19 Second Regular-Season Weekend

September 20 Deadline at 4:00 PM ET for any Club that designated a Franchise Player to sign such player to a multi-year contract or extension.

If approved by the players, the new collective bargaining agreement will include the following key terms:

TERM:

The fixed term of the agreement covers the 2011 through 2020 seasons and includes the 2021 draft.

PLAYER HEALTH AND SAFETY:

Immediate implementation of changes to promote player health and safety by:

Reducing the off-season program by five weeks, reducing OTAs from 14 to 10;
Limiting on-field practice time and contact;
Limiting full-contact practices in the preseason and regular season;
Increasing number of days off for players.

Opportunity for current players to remain in the player medical plan for life.
An enhanced injury protection benefit of up to $1 million of a player’s salary for the contract year after his injury and up to $500,000 in the second year after his injury.
No change to the 16-4 season format until at least 2013; any subsequent increase in the number of regular-season games must be made by agreement with the NFL Players Association.
$50 million per year joint fund for medical research, healthcare programs, and NFL Charities, including NFLPA-related charities.

RETIRED PLAYER BENEFITS:

Over the next 10 years, additional funding for retiree benefits of between $900 million and $1 billion. The largest single amount, $620 million, will be used for a new “Legacy Fund,” which will be devoted to increasing pensions for pre-1993 retirees.
Other improvements will be made to post-career medical options, the disability plan, the 88 Plan, career transition and degree completion programs, and the Player Care Plan.

DRAFT/FREE AGENCY SYSTEM:

An annual Draft of seven rounds plus compensatory picks for teams which lose free agents.
Unrestricted free agency for players after four accrued seasons; restricted free agency for players with three accrued seasons.
Free agency exceptions (franchise and transition players).

ENTRY LEVEL COMPENSATION SYSTEM:

New entry-level compensation system including the following elements:

All drafted players sign four-year contracts.
Undrafted free agents sign three-year contracts.
Maximum total compensation per draft class.
Limited contract terms.
Strong anti-holdout rules.
Clubs have option to extend the contract of a first-round draftee for a fifth year, based on agreed-upon tender amounts.

Creation of new fund to redistribute, beginning in 2012, savings from new rookie pay system to current and retired player benefits and a veteran player performance pool.

ECONOMICS:

Salary cap plus benefits of $142.4 million per club in 2011 ($120.375 million for salary and bonus) and at least that amount in 2012 and 2013.
Beginning in 2012, salary cap to be set based on a combined share of “all revenue,” a new model differentiated by revenue source with no expense reductions. Players will receive 55 percent of national media revenue, 45 percent of NFL Ventures revenue, and 40 percent of local club revenue.
Beginning in 2012, annual “true up” to reflect revenue increases or decreases versus projections.
Clubs receive credit for actual stadium investment and up to 1.5 percent of revenue each year.
Player share must average at least 47 percent for the 10-year term of the agreement.
League-wide commitment to cash spending of 99 percent of the cap in 2011 and 2012.
For the 2013-2016 seasons, and again for the 2017-2020 seasons, the clubs collectively will commit to cash spending of at least 95 percent of the cap.
Each club committed to cash spending of 89 percent of the cap from 2013-2016 and 2017-2020.
Increases to minimum salaries of 10 percent in Year 1 with continuing increases each year of the agreement.

2011-2012 TRANSITION RULES:

Special transition rules to protect veteran players in 2011. All teams will have approximately $3.5 million in what would otherwise be performance-based pay available to fund veteran player salaries.
Each club may “borrow” up to $3 million in cap room from a future year, which may be used to support veteran player costs.
In 2012, each club may “borrow” up to $1.5 million in cap room from a future year. Both these amounts would be repaid in future years.

OTHER:

No judicial oversight of the agreement. Neutral arbitrators jointly appointed by the NFL and NFLPA will resolve disputes as appropriate.
Settlement of all pending litigation.

# # #
 
SI_JimTrotter Jim Trotter
there remains work to be done.


SI_JimTrotter Jim Trotter
End of NFL lockout clouded by potential recertification of union - Jim Trotter - SI.com http://fb.me/RoJySXSy


SI_JimTrotter Jim Trotter
if the players like the proposal they will ratify the settlement and forward it to the named plaintiffs. however you can take it to the bank that the players are not going to ratify this proposal as currently presented. #nfl

SI_JimTrotter Jim Trotter
there were outstanding issues that had yet to be resolved, and the players are not going to ratify the proposal w/o those being addressed.
 
LanceZierlein Lance Zierlein
NFL player reps and their entire side including De Smith are pissed. They believe owners tried to sneak things into deal at the last minute

LanceZierlein Lance Zierlein
Players side will leak info like crazy now. That's my guess. They don't want to let owners portray them as the holdup if deal was altered
 
Man, some of the tweets are hilarious:

Faux John Madden
BREAKING: NFL Owners vote 31-0 to ratify new CBA deal. The 31-0 margin probably also looks familiar if you're a Panthers fan.

Faux John Madden
NFL owners vote 31-0 in favor of new CBA. Al Davis abstained from voting, but to be fair.. It's hard for a dead guy to vote

Dan Wetzel
Owners ratify CBA. NFL lockout nearly over. Everyone party like a Bengal tonight
 
This yr MW whine about having to play DE and they moved him to LB. So hopefully it will work out better. But if Watt or Smith get hurt do you think MW will move back to DE and Reed will play LB? The team would be better in that senario. But I doubt MW would move. (These are the Texans team leaders. LOL

Were did this come from? I haven't heard of Mario whining. The only thing I heard him say was that if that's what the coaches want him to do, that's what he's going to do.

In fact, the coach (Wade) said that Mario's position won't change, in Wade's system, the strongside DE plays exactly like he does in the 4-3.
 
I thought this was interesting:



I never did understand the NFL's reasoning behind the IR list. Put him on a DL like baseball and call up a guy from your practice squad.

Sure you are going to get that vet who fake an injury until playoff time but you also get to see your PS guy get some reps and experience. (and may even take that vets spot if he out plays him)

I think it's more about teams finding loop-holes to the 52 (53?) man rosters.

I agree with you, they need to come up with something better though.
 
Were did this come from? I haven't heard of Mario whining. The only thing I heard him say was that if that's what the coaches want him to do, that's what he's going to do.

Mario and Antonio made it clear that they were not happy with the switch to 3-4 right after Wade's hire.
 
Having a hard salary cap for the last ~20 years is what made the NFL competitive, it's not just the franchise tag. The F tag was started in 1993, but the use of it has gone way up in the last 5 years. It's now a hostage tool used by organizations who have the cap space to hang on to players that would otherwise leave them. Teams have every opportunity in the world to make a deal with their players, but if the player doesn't want to be there, then I don't want to see him forced to be there. I guess you could say I'm in favor of a free market.

I wouldn't have as much of a problem with it if there were more limits to it. Say a player can only be F tagged once ever by a single team, or each organization can use the F tag once per 2 years. Force them to use it strategically rather than as an enforcement tool to keep players from hitting the market. Also, if they reduced the cost of signing an F tag recipient to just a 1st round pick, then I think it would be less of an issue, because nobody is going to pay two 1sts for a player on top of a big contract.

The Franchise tag came up, because of the salary cap (at least that is what I remembered). Before the salary cap, a team can do whatever it takes to sign an important member of their team. Sky's the limit.

With the cap, that is no longer possible since you have finite dollars you are allowed to spend on your team. The franchise dollars still have to fit under that cap.

I don't know if it is unfair to use the tag.

Most of the time it is used, it has been because there were generally questions about a players ability to play in the future.... that was the case with Owen Daniels & Dunta Robinson, even though the Texans offered to make them top 5 compensated at their position.

Which I think is pretty solid for the organization.

Both guys, felt they were worth more. I like Owen Daniels & I'd love to see him paid as the top TE in the league. But, there are some pretty damn good TEs in the league. OD top 5.... I'd support that argument any day of the week. OD #1... I don't think I can win that.


Dunta, I didn't think he was worth top 5 money. I was glad he turned it down. I would have loved for him not to have signed & sat out all year. We'd have got the same thing out of him on the field.
 
And now we're back to where we started

dkaplanSBJ daniel kaplan
USA Today reporting players have rejected the deal.
 
This would be the case working under the assumption that :

1)Bob is willing to release significantly more monies than in the past.

2)There are some smarts applied to whom the monies are applied.

With that said, advantage would only be gained if the Texans leave behind their past tendencies.
You can have all the money in the world available, but if you don't use it or don't use it wisely.................

Weren't we in cap hell for Kubiak's first two years? Can you get to cap hell by holding back the monies?

The problem has never been Bob's willingness to spend. It has been his business managers value assessment & negotiating abilities.

Too much money to the wrong people.
 
Chris Mortensen

Person on conf call sent message that players are calm, having businesslike conversation. Won't decide on voting until they get a full document from league.
 
ArianFosterArian Foster
Just got a call from my agent. I will be joining Kobe Bryant to play bball in Turkey.

25 minutes ago

ArianFosterArian Foster
Im at chik-fil-a, no pressure here, just a damn good sandwich RT @Magnum7One3 sounds like owners trying to put the pressure you guys

1 hour ago

Arian...you so crazy.:hurrah:
 
LanceZierlein Lance Zierlein
NFL player reps and their entire side including De Smith are pissed. They believe owners tried to sneak things into deal at the last minute

LanceZierlein Lance Zierlein
Players side will leak info like crazy now. That's my guess. They don't want to let owners portray them as the holdup if deal was altered

I've been reading this. This makes me hate the owners more than I did before. I want football but I almost out of principle want the players to say "eff you" even if it takes extra days. Right now someone punching Goodall would be a good start.
 
Chris Mortensen on ESPN just reported that the NFLPA got the whole document from the owners side and they don't think any of the areas of contention are major issues. He said that they will vote on this tomorrow and there is a good chance that the players will agree to this deal. I don't know what the big deal was anyway, why would the players sign a deal without reading the whole thing? Seems like the owners tried to sneak a few things in, but nothing I think that will prevent a vote.
 
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