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All encompassing 2022 draft thoughts thread

Lucky said:
I think Caserio has to be flexible. If the trade back for #3 stays in the top 10 and nets a 2nd round pick, do it. #13 is trickier, because that might be where the top talent starts to taper off. If there is a Trevor Penning or Jermaine Johnson at #13, I'm staying. If not, I would move down in the mid-20's and look for Zion Johnson or Kenyon Green. I would also be very tempted to take Treylon Burks if here were available in the 20's.
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Nice observations.
I think Treylon Burks will be our answer to Titans AJ Brown and has potential to be our next Andre Johnson - very similar in size and Burks also has good wiggle for a guy his size.
If Texans land this dude, I will be very happy.
 
steelbtexan said:
It was how he was used that kept his numbers down.
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That’s unknown factor until he’s on a NFL field. If he brings his CFB production to the Texans, then the Texans might’ve been better to draft DL, Travis Jones (Connecticut) who’s CFB and Senior Bowl production should get any team excited…..especially since he could be available in RD2.
 
Lucky said:
I think Caserio has to be flexible. If the trade back for #3 stays in the top 10 and nets a 2nd round pick, do it. #13 is trickier, because that might be where the top talent starts to taper off. If there is a Trevor Penning or Jermaine Johnson at #13, I'm staying. If not, I would move down in the mid-20's and look for Zion Johnson or Kenyon Green. I would also be very tempted to take Treylon Burks if here were available in the 20's.
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You appear to be of the opinion that NC is running this draft. I tend to agree but it is very ambiguous from everything I’ve been reading on the Texans site…transcripts from interviews, etc. when NC is speaking he seems to use “team” when talking about drafting players but refers to himself when talking about moving down in the draft. Lovie uses the term ”we” a lot but also is very ambiguous sometimes when discussing who is actually calling the name on draft day. He almost seems to put himself in those shoes. Part of the ambiguity probably stems from his upgrade from asst HC to HC with the inexperienced DC gone.
 
Looking at the national mocks, it seems most are pumping for Jags going OL and Lions DL.
This is a strong possibility which leaves Texans with Kyle Hamilton being available.
Hamilton has been described as dominant cleaning up against the run and the pass. Texans have big needs in the backfield so he is going to be really hard to pass up. It might be a touch high for a Safety, but he is graded as the #1 pick in this draft.
He is plug and play so it is hard to find reasons not to take him.
I would not be disappointed with him being taken by Texans at #3, if they stay put.
 
Texansphan said:
Looking at the national mocks, it seems most are pumping for Jags going OL and Lions DL.
This is a strong possibility which leaves Texans with Kyle Hamilton being available.
Hamilton has been described as dominant cleaning up against the run and the pass. Texans have big needs in the backfield so he is going to be really hard to pass up. It might be a touch high for a Safety, but he is graded as the #1 pick in this draft.
He is plug and play so it is hard to find reasons not to take him.
I would not be disappointed with him being taken by Texans at #3, if they stay put.
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Everything that I hear the Texans saying is that the highest priority is improving the running game. So why are so many, and the mocks, ignoring this and prioritizing defense?
 
rmartin65 said:
I don’t care about his numbers, I care about how I saw him play (in an admittedly small sample size). He played like he had a fraction of the athleticism he showed at the combine. Maybe coaching can bring that athleticism out on the field, but I’m not going to bet a top 3 (or 5, or 10) pick on that.
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I saw many of his games and he played inside on passing downs. This kept his numbers down.
 
Number19 said:
Everything that I hear the Texans saying is that the highest priority is improving the running game. So why are so many, and the mocks, ignoring this and prioritizing defense?
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Because the weakness in the OL is the OG's.

Warhop got his guy in FA (Cann) and you can find another above avg starting OG in the 3rd rd. Heck, draft 2 if you like. Guys like Kinnard/Salyer/Ingram/Strange would all be massive upgrades.

The DL needs upgrades too and the DL is one of the strengths of this draft.
 
Number19 said:
Everything that I hear the Texans saying is that the highest priority is improving the running game. So why are so many, and the mocks, ignoring this and prioritizing defense?
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This confusion happens every year and it is deliberate. No team wants anyone outside their inner circle knowing what they are actually planning and the sporting media makes gazillions out of all this circus.
I have seen teams bypass obvious needs to take bpa, and I've seen teams reach for players that are a total surprise.
For Texans, I think it is going to come down to bpa at position of need, wherever they happen to pick and they have sooo many options open to them.
Still, Texans have already made moves on the OL so I believe it is a slightly lower priority right now so I am leaning defense with their first pick and probably their second.
 
steelbtexan said:
Because the weakness in the OL is the OG's.

Warhop got his guy in FA (Cann) and you can find another above avg starting OG in the 3rd rd. Heck, draft 2 if you like. Guys like Kinnard/Salyer/Ingram/Strange would all be massive upgrades.

The DL needs upgrades too and the DL is one of the strengths of this draft.
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Cann is a 30 year old jag, going into his 8th season and coming off a knee injury. He's not the answer at RG. So far, the Texans have done nothing to improve the interior oline. Britt is 30 years old and going into his 9th season after being injured, again, last year.
 
Number19 said:
Cann is a 30 year old jag, going into his 8th season and coming off a knee injury. He's not the answer at RG. So far, the Texans have done nothing to improve the interior oline. Britt is 30 years old and going into his 9th season after being injured, again, last year.
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That's why I said I wouldn't have a problem with picking Salyer/Strange in the 3rd rd. I probably would pick Salyer at 37.
 
Texansphan said:
This confusion happens every year and it is deliberate. No team wants anyone outside their inner circle knowing what they are actually planning and the sporting media makes gazillions out of all this circus.
I have seen teams bypass obvious needs to take bpa, and I've seen teams reach for players that are a total surprise.
For Texans, I think it is going to come down to bpa at position of need, wherever they happen to pick and they have sooo many options open to them.
Still, Texans have already made moves on the OL so I believe it is a slightly lower priority right now so I am leaning defense with their first pick and probably their second.
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Texans may have made moves on the OL, but haven't improved over last year, except for getting Tunsil back at LT.
 
steelbtexan said:
That's why I said I wouldn't have a problem with picking Salyer/Strange in the 3rd rd. I probably would pick Salyer at 37.
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Zierlein has Salyer graded as a good backup with potential to develope as a starter. Of course, with the Texans he may win out as the starter, but still...? He has Strange as an eventual average starter.

I want a plug and play starter from day one. The idea you can win the trenches with jags is not my cup of tea.
 
Number19 said:
Zierlein has Salyer graded as a good backup with potential to develope as a starter. Of course, with the Texans he may win out as the starter, but still...? He has Strange as an eventual average starter.

I want a plug and play starter from day one. The idea you can win the trenches with jags is not my cup of tea.
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Texans have to trade back at least once to gain another RD2 pick and staying within the range of picking one of the top OG’s Zion Johnson or Kenyon Green.

Man, this draft could get offensive in a hurry. I know ZJ and KG are going to go inside the top 20 picks of RD1. I also know that the Texans need a WR who’s capable of taking the top off of defenses which goes a long way in helping the running game b/c safeties have to be aware of the killer WR. The running game goes nowhere, even with the input of solid OG’s, if they don’t have the horses in the backfield….right now, they have no horses.
 
steelbtexan said:
Getting Tunsil back. Drafting Salyer at 37. Strange at 68. Ruckert at 80 and Rashard or Kazir White at 108 and the run game will be much better.
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I want that 4.39-40 RB….Breece Hall more than any back in the draft. He’s the whole RB package and would be a major step in getting the Texans running game going in the right direction. He’s the BPA at this position in the draft.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
Texans have to trade back at least once to gain another RD2 pick and staying within the range of picking one of the top OG’s Zion Johnson or Kenyon Green.

Man, this draft could get offensive in a hurry. I know ZJ and KG are going to go inside the top 20 picks of RD1. I also know that the Texans need a WR who’s capable of taking the top off of defenses which goes a long way in helping the running game b/c safeties have to be aware of the killer WR. The running game goes nowhere, even with the input of solid OG’s, if they don’t have the horses in the backfield….right now, they have no horses.
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I've got Salyer rated in the top 40. I hope he falls to 68 but I'm not willing to take that chance. Day 1 starter, IMHO. Strange reminds Meinertz and will be a starter. Having Cann will give him time to develop properly. Good thing is he can play C too.

I'm not opposed to picking an OL at 1-3. Neal is my #1 rated guy.

There are still some good cheap FA Wr's out there. I would look at bringing in guys like James Washington and the 49ers guys Ritchie James/Trent Taylor and I would take a flier on Jalen Hurd. If you want a speed guy, trade up into the 5th using your 6th and 1 of the other 6th's/7th to get Dixon/Thorton. Both of these guys are really fast and can stretch defenses.
 
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Number19 said:
Everything that I hear the Texans saying is that the highest priority is improving the running game. So why are so many, and the mocks, ignoring this and prioritizing defense?
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Where are you hearing this?

I hear McClain saying it. But he doesn’t count
 
Since the trade:

Trade the #3 pick to the Eagles.

Texans get #15 and #19 and 4th round 2023

13) George Karlaftis DE- Purdue or
Quay Walker LB - Georgia

15) Chris Olave WR- USC

Trade 19 to the Seattle

Texans get # 40 and a 2023 3rd round pick.

37) Kaiir Elam CB - Florida

40) Breece Hall RB - Iowa State

68) Darian Kinnard OG - Kentucky

80) Jalen Pitre SS - Baylor

108) Derrick Deese Jr. TE - San Jose State
 
thunderkyss said:
Where are you hearing this?

I hear McClain saying it. But he doesn’t count
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610 and I read it in the Chronicle. It's just an opinion shared by many.

And many think that we can fix our running game by replacing our OT's; and by replacing our below average interior players with jags.

Yes, some lower ranked prospects will develope into good players, but it's a high risk gamble. And yes, some high ranked players wash out, but still, high ranked olinemen are one of the safer picks.

One thing I noticed yesterday, Green is being graded and ranked as an OT, which he is not. And the same for Kinnard, who has a three year grade for run blocking of 89. But stick him out at OT and he's a wash.
 
Texansballer74 said:
Lovie said it first on his presser and whenever he was interviewed.
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I don't remember hearing "highest priority"

Not the way Number19 relates in his post anyway.

I believe it should be the highest priority. I don't care for these "draft a tackle, play him at guard until Tunsil is gone." Mocks.

I'm more in the trade both 1s into the 20+ range. Draft Guards & RBs & stockpile future picks mocks.
 
thunderkyss said:
I don't remember hearing "highest priority"

Not the way Number19 relates in his post anyway.

I believe it should be the highest priority. I don't care for these "draft a tackle, play him at guard until Tunsil is gone." Mocks.

I'm more in the trade both 1s into the 20+ range. Draft Guards & RBs & stockpile future picks mocks.
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Correct….if I want and need OG’s to improve the running game, then I want the best OG’s in the draft. I want controlled maulers who do it at the first and second level while destroying anyone who gets in their way.
 
thunderkyss said:
I don't remember hearing "highest priority"

Not the way Number19 relates in his post anyway.

I believe it should be the highest priority. I don't care for these "draft a tackle, play him at guard until Tunsil is gone." Mocks.

I'm more in the trade both 1s into the 20+ range. Draft Guards & RBs & stockpile future picks mocks.
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Gotcha: Here’s his first interview. He doesn’t say highest but he said In Pep’s offense, you have to be able to run the ball.

 
Texansphan said:
This confusion happens every year and it is deliberate. No team wants anyone outside their inner circle knowing what they are actually planning and the sporting media makes gazillions out of all this circus.
I have seen teams bypass obvious needs to take bpa, and I've seen teams reach for players that are a total surprise.
For Texans, I think it is going to come down to bpa at position of need, wherever they happen to pick and they have sooo many options open to them.
Still, Texans have already made moves on the OL so I believe it is a slightly lower priority right now so I am leaning defense with their first pick and probably their second.
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This is where I'm at, but who knows.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
I want that 4.39-40 RB….Breece Hall more than any back in the draft. He’s the whole RB package and would be a major step in getting the Texans running game going in the right direction. He’s the BPA at this position in the draft.
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I don't want a high investment in the RB position this year. The 2023 draft is the time for that.

If you want to see what a star level RB looks like then checkout Bijan Robinson next yr. I would rather wait a ye and get a guy like that. They've got the picks in the 2023 draft to add a true star level players in 2023. Bijan is what I'm talking about when I'm talking about adding star level players.

With this said, I'm not against taking a guy like one of the White's at 4-108.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
Correct….if I want and need OG’s to improve the running game, then I want the best OG’s in the draft. I want controlled maulers who do it at the first and second level while destroying anyone who gets in their way.
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I've got Salyer rated in the top 40. I wouldn't have a problem with Green at 1-13 and bringing him home. The thought of Walker/Davis on the DL for the next decade is just to alluring.
 
thunderkyss said:
I don't remember hearing "highest priority"

Not the way Number19 relates in his post anyway.

I believe it should be the highest priority. I don't care for these "draft a tackle, play him at guard until Tunsil is gone." Mocks.

I'm more in the trade both 1s into the 20+ range. Draft Guards & RBs & stockpile future picks mocks.
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You're going to be passing on a great player if you do this. Unless the pick is Neal, I'm lukewarm on the OG's in this class minus Green in the 1st.
 
steelbtexan said:
I don't want a high investment in the RB position this year. The 2023 draft is the time for that.

If you want to see what a star level RB looks like then checkout Bijan Robinson next yr. I would rather wait a ye and get a guy like that. They've got the picks in the 2023 draft to add a true star level players in 2023. Bijan is what I'm talking about when I'm talking about adding star level players.

With this said, I'm not against taking a guy like one of the White's at 4-108.
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I’d like to see Bijan stay healthy for a season before sliding the Texans chips into his corner.

Again, I think Breece is the cream of the RB crop this season…and the Texans need a stud RB to get this new ground game kicked off in the right direction.
 
steelbtexan said:
You're going to be passing on a great player if you do this. Unless the pick is Neal, I'm lukewarm on the OG's in this class minus Green in the 1st.
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I absolutely understand I’ll be passing on a great player.

My goal is to raise the young talent level of this team. I want to add as many top 100 players as possible while stocking future draft picks
 
steelbtexan said:
I don't want a high investment in the RB position this year. The 2023 draft is the time for that.

If you want to see what a star level RB looks like then checkout Bijan Robinson next yr. I would rather wait a ye and get a guy like that. They've got the picks in the 2023 draft to add a true star level players in 2023. Bijan is what I'm talking about when I'm talking about adding star level players.

With this said, I'm not against taking a guy like one of the White's at 4-108.
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Brother have you heard of Thunder and Lightning? You can draft a good back this year and next year as well. Two headed monster is where it’s at.
 
Texansballer74 said:
Brother have you heard of Thunder and Lightning? You can draft a good back this year and next year as well. Two headed monster is where it’s at.
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I have and one of RB's I've mentioned at 4-108 would be part of the equation. The other part would be picking up a guy like Mack cheaply in fa.
 
thunderkyss said:
I absolutely understand I’ll be passing on a great player.

My goal is to raise the young talent level of this team. I want to add as many top 100 players as possible while stocking future draft picks
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Which makes the Watson trade so opportune. 1/13 is perfect for Green. Maybe we could trade back no more than 5 picks and get an extra three. That leaves 1/3 for Lovie to pick the defensive player of his choice, or we could trade back and pick up a two and still get a defensive player.
 
Lucky said:
Some really poor numbers reported from A&M's pro day.





5.03 from Wydermyer is bad. Real bad. 4.63 from Spiller is far from good. I would question the track or the timers, but the numbers from Leal and Green are consistent from the combine. I have to go back and look at Spiller & Wydermyer, but I know they looked faster in games.
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This is surprising
 
Been spending a little time today analyzing possible trade down scenarios for the Texans. There are only seven teams that I would seriously consider: Atlanta (8); Seattle (9); Washington (11); Minnesota (12); Baltimore (14); Philly (15); New Orleans (18).

Of these, Atlanta and Seattle are the strongest possibilities, with Baltimore coming in third.

Atlanta has a need at OT, Edge and S. They've signed a FA edge rusher. I'd want Atlanta's #43 and #74.

Seattle has a need at Edge, CB and OT. They've signed a FA cornerback. I'd want Seattle's #40 and #72.

Baltimore has a need at OT and Edge. They've signed a FA tackle. Dropping down to #14, I'd want Baltimore's #45 and #76 and more, possibly their #2 in 2023.

The top prospects all address these team's needs: Hamilton (S); Hutchinson (Edge); Thibodeaux (Edge); Neal (OT); Ekwonu (OT); Stingley (CB).

If Atlanta or Seattle wants one of these elites, and will pay the piper, I'd jump on it.
 
That extra pick at 107 seems perfect for a CB like Coby Bryant. He’s the type of glue guy you need on your roster. Will fall in draft due to lack of athleticism relative to higher graded CBs like his teammate Sauce Gardner. But he’s every bit as productive. He fits the mold of a Lovie Smith CB and would be a starter for this team day 1.

Fun thought: If the Texans end up taking Gardner in 1st, they come back and take Bryant in the 4th. Built in chemistry the likes of which we haven’t seen since Kareem and Jo Jo which should ease both rookie’s transitions.
 
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