AJ no show/now back to work

[infantrycak]

TK I said that ICAK's "we rushed poorly" was exact. Kubiak admitted that our previous philosophy of the run setting up the pass was changed during last season. He said they were not going to a pass first mentality but it was obvious the running game was not successful and he would do what it took to win. Schaub passing and Andre's stats reveal that. As I've posted Gary's philosophy is to run the ball. This has been discussed for years. A #2 was used on Tate whose rep is running the ball with power and speed as an every down type back. I do expect to see a balanced offense this year with a nod to the running game if our backs prove to be up to it.

Here's the thing. We had an effective running game in 2008, correct? - or at least much better than last year. So was the passing game down? - nope. Project out Schaub as a 16 game starter and he would have had 4637 yards. Basically the same as last year. The potential I see for less passing is not at the beginning of games but at the end. IF we can get up on teams AND get a consistent rushing attack then sure Kubiak will probably dial back the passing. And then there will be howls of outrage about going conservative.

 

[HOU-TEX]

Was Vonta impeached?

No way, he's a part of the Beast Club. He's right behind AJ and D-Ryans.

I sure would like to recruit a few more Texans players to the Beast Club. Cushing and Pollard are pledging, but their initiation doen't end until after this season.

 

[Mike Kerns]

http://twitter.com/NickScurfield/statuses/14372841810

Andre Johnson: “I plan on being a Texan until the day I retire, and that hasn’t changed.”

 

[Mike Kerns]

A couple more:

 

[El Tejano]

I wish I could see a pick of Dorin Dickerson so close behind Andre Johnson that it looks like Andre is wearing his jersey. That dudes got an Andre Johnson like physique and I would like for him to eventually be able to be our dual threat.

On another note (and it's just because I'm glad to see #80 in practice) Brian Cushing didn't test positive for PEDs. He tested positive for Andre Johnsons.

 

[b0ng]

Damn it's good seeing AJ with a pigskin in his hand. I am now anxiously awaiting his praise of Kareem Jackson.

How many peoples heads would explode if he came out and said "That Jackson guy is a scrub. He couldn't cover David Anderson."

 

[JB]

Damn it's good seeing AJ with a pigskin in his hand. I am now anxiously awaiting his praise of Kareem Jackson.

How many peoples heads would explode if he came out and said "That Jackson guy is a scrub. He couldn't cover David Anderson."

But even if it were true, AJ would not say it. He would just continue to out awesome everyone quietly

 

[badboy]

Here's the thing. We had an effective running game in 2008, correct? - or at least much better than last year. So was the passing game down? - nope. Project out Schaub as a 16 game starter and he would have had 4637 yards. Basically the same as last year. The potential I see for less passing is not at the beginning of games but at the end. IF we can get up on teams AND get a consistent rushing attack then sure Kubiak will probably dial back the passing. And then there will be howls of outrage about going conservative.

I just don't know. I think if Kubes thinks the RBs are good he will cautiously run the ball to set up the pass. I am not focusing on the passing yards but the attempts which may start off equal or even ahead but as the RBs win his confidence the attempts will change as season progresses. I don't think Kubiak's history is to try to overwhelm the opponent with points but to win the game clock and be ahead at the end. That may change after Schaub/Johnson's last season. One area I would like to see AJ improve on his long home run catches ending in the end zone.

 

[infantrycak]

Geez the state of reporting/radio is bad in this town. Caller on 610 asserts AJ is trying to renegotiate a year on his original contract for the second time and neither guy corrects him.

 

[Ryan]

Geez the state of reporting/radio is bad in this town. Caller on 610 asserts AJ is trying to renegotiate a year on his original contract for the second time and neither guy corrects him.

but....but...but...we have John McClain!!!

 

[badboy]

but....but...but...we have John McClain!!!

anyone know the new guy reporting on Texans for Chronicle, John Miller I think?

 

[b0ng]

Geez the state of reporting/radio is bad in this town. Caller on 610 asserts AJ is trying to renegotiate a year on his original contract for the second time and neither guy corrects him.

Sports Radio bad in Houston? That's unpossible!

 

[Texans_Chick]

Here' my write up and video of AJ's return from today:


Andre Johnson Arrives at OTAs, Says He Plans to Retire a Texan

It's a little different story. When an event is a non-event, then write a story about the silliness of the non-event. Vonta Leach is hilarious--he really embarrassed Mr. Johnson.

 

[SheTexan]

Gawd, I just love VL!! The dude just flat out ROCKS!!!

 

[Texan_Bill]

Here' my write up and video of AJ's return from today:


Andre Johnson Arrives at OTAs, Says He Plans to Retire a Texan

It's a little different story. When an event is a non-event, then write a story about the silliness of the non-event. Vonta Leach is hilarious--he really embarrassed Mr. Johnson.

Thanks for your awesomeness, Steph!!

 

[gary]

He might be getting what he wants soon so let it all play out and see how things go.

 

[Carr Bombed]

23.4 is 39% of 60... and 2007 & 2008 were actually a restructure of his rookie deal, where he took less money to help the team get under the cap. He would have earned between $26 million and $28 million his last two years under his rookie contract. With the restructure, he only earned $10 million under the new deal, if nothing else changes. $1.8 million from the pro-rated bonus, and $2.825 million as his base salary. (x2)



Sorry, but shoot me if I expect you to do your own research to back up what you are saying.

You said his contract was front loaded, and he received the lions share of it already, and now wants a bigger contract once it got "team friendly".... prove it.

You said he didn't lose any money by restructuring his rookie contract. prove it.

I provided a source, you don't like it... find your own disproving mine.


Actually, it's not easy to find anything referencing his rookie contract with more detail than that one... I tried.

Umm, actually I said he already received half his contract......and he has, so I have nothing to prove. You're the guy who popped off with a PFT post (excuse me LOL) and no other proof of "that rookie contract" (which you're whole argument is based on) to fall back on.

PFT is NOT a legitimate source (you most likely just fell victim to the national enquirer of the NFL), especially when the link you posted was before Andre even played a NFL down.

P.S.

Andre didn't lose any money. A guy who will probably sign his 3rd contract in 7 years doesn't lose money...that's a given.

 

[Carr Bombed]

Because it's true?

What part of "creates salary cap room for 2007 that will permit officials to pursue some free agents" do you not understand?

Umm, apparently you missed the entire basis of the argument.....I'm talking about "great sacrifices" Andre was allowed to rewrite a contract and receive another big pay day. Try again.

He did make a "great sacrifice" for this team. He committed his HoF career to a perpetual mediocre franchise. Dude could have played out his rookie contract and signed with any of the 31 teams. The market would have been his for the taking, and he would have been well compensated wherever he landed. If you don't think that's sacrifice for the team, then we'll just have to leave it as an agreement to disagree.

He could of "waited it out", but he didn't......he took the new signing bonus and was happy to take it....until the very next chance where he could grab a new one. Again, when you're signing your 3rd NFL contract in 7 seasons you aren't sacrificing much...the dude got paid and IS GETTING PAID. What is so hard not to understand here. The guy has been paid handsomely.

Besides, it wasn't a second contract. It was a six-year contract extension to his rookie contract.

Potatoes...Potaughtoes.. The guy got a new deal in place with a new signing bonus. You know what everybody has been talking about. Don't try to "lawyer it up" here. You're better than that.

If he had a shark for an agent *cough*ScottBoras*cough*, he would have advised AJ to get off the loser team and sign with a championship caliber team that would compensate him, as well (Indy, NE).

I'm glad he doesn't have a shark for an agent as a Texans fan.

Yeah, that's why Scott Boras advised Carlos Beltran to sign with a team that was 20 games under .500 over a team that was in the NLCS, despite offering him almost the same pay... Hmm, nice argument there.

 

[thunderkyss]

Umm, actually I said he already received half his contract......and he has,

No he hasn't.

PFT is NOT a legitimate source (you most likely just fell victim to the national enquirer of the NFL), especially when the link you posted was before Andre even played a NFL down.

Aren't most rookie contracts signed before the player plays an actual down?

Isn't that the way that works?

P.S.

Andre didn't lose any money. A guy who will probably sign his 3rd contract in 7 years doesn't lose money...that's a given.

Even the ESPN article says he was scheduled to make $13 million over the last two years of his rookie deal.

Instead, he got a $15 million bonus prorated over 8 years. That's $1.8 million. He was payed $2.825 million for 2007, and 2008 (the two years that were part of his rookie deal (remember, there are still 6 more years after these two). So for 2007& 2008, he was compensated $9.25 million. And some how you don't see where he lost money on the deal?

In 2009, his compensation was pretty much the same. $1.8 million from the bonus, $2.825 million as base pay. $4.625 million. Are you telling me the best WR in the league could not have gotten more than $5 million/year from any other team? The first half of his rookie contract, he was being compenstaed much closer to $7 million/year.

Strangely enough, if you prorate that bonus over 3 years, and not 8, it comes out to $7.825 million/year, which is in line with what the top receiver should have been making over that time.

I know it is hard for you. But it makes sense, if you can bring yourself to understand the contract restructure was to benefit the team. There had to have been an understanding of some kind that there would be more contract talks, most likely about this time.

 

[Carr Bombed]

No he hasn't.

Umm, yes he has...the guy has already received almost half of his contract.

Aren't most rookie contracts signed before the player plays an actual down?

Isn't that the way that works?

Nice try, that's not what I said....again nice try. I said provide another "trustworthy" link who says Andre was due 21 million dollars in one single year.

Even the ESPN article says he was scheduled to make $13 million over the last two years of his rookie deal.

LMAO...wow far cry from the 21 million dollars you said he was due over the coarse of ONE YEAR. (which was what your whole original argument was based on) LOL

Instead, he got a $15 million bonus prorated over 8 years. That's $1.8 million. He was payed $2.825 million for 2007, and 2008 (the two years that were part of his rookie deal (remember, there are still 6 more years after these two). So for 2007& 2008, he was compensated $9.25 million. And some how you don't see where he lost money on the deal?

In 2009, his compensation was pretty much the same. $1.8 million from the bonus, $2.825 million as base pay. $4.625 million. Are you telling me the best WR in the league could not have gotten more than $5 million/year from any other team? The first half of his rookie contract, he was being compensated much closer to $7 million/year.

Strangely enough, if you prorate that bonus over 3 years, and not 8, it comes out to $7.825 million/year, which is in line with what the top receiver should have been making over that time.

I know it is hard for you. But it makes sense, if you can bring yourself to understand the contract restructure was to benefit the team. There had to have been an understanding of some kind that there would be more contract talks, most likely about this time.

LOL, wow...you really are twisting the facts aren't you. LOL I hate to tell you this, but Andre made over 13 million dollars his first two years of his new contract/contract extension (which beats the 13 million that you NOW say he was due in the last two years of his rookie contract)....for the lawyers in the back of the room. The guy didn't have to spare any bread...it was just distributed differently.

 

[b0ng]

I too, love gigantic walls of text.

 

[thunderkyss]

Umm, yes he has...the guy has already received almost half of his contract.

I'm not denying that. Earlier, you said half. Not almost half... half.

Nice try, that's not what I said....again nice try. I said provide another "trustworthy" link who says Andre was due 21 million dollars in one single year.

Maybe I should have said so... I'm conceding the fact that PFT is less than trustworthy.

LMAO...wow far cry from the 21 million dollars you said he was due over the coarse of ONE YEAR. (which was what your whole original argument was based on) LOL

No, my argument was that Andre lost money on the "new deal" that it wasn't just a restructuring, and that it was a "team friendly" contract.

LOL, wow...you really are twisting the facts aren't you. LOL I hate to tell you this, but Andre made over 13 million dollars his first two years of his new contract/contract extension (which beats the 13 million that you NOW say he was due in the last two years of his rookie contract)....for the lawyers in the back of the room. The guy didn't have to spare any bread...it was just distributed differently.

Ok, I'm going by what the link from ESPN said... they said $13 million over the last two years of his contract. (remember you didn't like PFT)

and the only way he made more than $13 million is if you do not pro-rate the bonus. In which case, he made $20.65 million for the first two years. But if you don't pro-rate the bonus, you're saying he played 2009 for $5.325 million, he'll make $5.8 million in 2010. How do you think that compares to what the top WR in this league gets paid?

& I understand the money being distributed differently. If you agree, that money was from his original deal, then he is basically not getting a bonus, or any guaranteed money for 2009 through 2014.

So, are you basically saying that Andre and his Uncle screwed the pooch on the deal?

I'm thinking Andre and the Texans found a loop hole around the salary cap.

 

[Blake]

Andre coming back to work just wreaked the rest of the AFC South's weekend.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/7014414.html

 

[GuerillaBlack]

Geez the state of reporting/radio is bad in this town. Caller on 610 asserts AJ is trying to renegotiate a year on his original contract for the second time and neither guy corrects him.

Has Houston Sports Media always been this bad, and is there any hope for us?

 

[Double Barrel]

Umm, apparently you missed the entire basis of the argument.....I'm talking about "great sacrifices" Andre was allowed to rewrite a contract and receive another big pay day. Try again.

It takes two to tango. The team allowed him to do that to their advantage.

I missed nothing. You said "Andre didn't do us any favors contract wise", which is simply not true.

You can argue that a tail is a leg all day, but that doesn't mean the dog has five legs. (props to Abe for the metaphor)

He could of "waited it out", but he didn't......he took the new signing bonus and was happy to take it....until the very next chance where he could grab a new one. Again, when you're signing your 3rd NFL contract in 7 seasons you aren't sacrificing much...the dude got paid and IS GETTING PAID. What is so hard not to understand here. The guy has been paid handsomely.

I never denied that he's getting paid. If you don't think keeping his career in Houston while this franchise builds/rebuilds without success, then we'll just have to agree to disagree. I'm looking at the big picture and you're focusing solely on the money aspect.

Yeah, that's why Scott Boras advised Carlos Beltran to sign with a team that was 20 games under .500 over a team that was in the NLCS, despite offering him almost the same pay... Hmm, nice argument there.

Regardless of 20/20 hindsight, you just proved my point. Beltran did not sign with the Astros.

 

[b0ng]

Has Houston Sports Media always been this bad, and is there any hope for us?

The print media was worlds better when there were two papers in this town. Now that all we have is the Chronicle all of the writers are lazy and the editors really don't care if what they print is factual because they are after the almighty page hit now.

 

[dc_txtech]

Andre coming back to work just wreaked the rest of the AFC South's weekend.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/7014414.html

I never got worked up about it because this was my stance all along.

From the article per AJ;

“You can’t really win against the organization. When you’re under contract, they can hold you to it. It’s up to them to re-do it, give you an extension or whatever. They really don’t have to do anything.

Glad Andre finally figured that out.

 

[J_R]

McClain_on_NFL

Andre Johnson has hired Kennard mcguire as his agent.

 

[thunderkyss]

well, now I'm upset with this organization. I wear rose colored glasses under rose colored goggles, in a room with rose colored light bulbs. & they are starting to look cheap, cold and callous to me.

Sounds like they're trying to play hardball, and Andre has to go out and bring in the big guns.

 

[b0ng]

well, now I'm upset with this organization. I wear rose colored glasses under rose colored goggles, in a room with rose colored light bulbs. & they are starting to look cheap, cold and callous to me.

Sounds like they're trying to play hardball, and Andre has to go out and bring in the big guns.

I see it more as a referendum on the job that Andre Melton has done (not good).

 

[since02]

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/7016902.html

"Andre Johnson has hired Houston-based agent Kennard McGuire, according to someone close to the Texans' Pro Bowl wide receiver.

Johnson is unhappy with his contract that has five years remaining and calls for him to make $5.8 million this year.

McGuire recently negotiated receiver Brandon Marshall's four-year, $47.5 extension with Miami that included $23 million guaranteed."



I personally never really liked the way his uncle managed him, the interview with ESPN magazine was the last strike for me.. and with this stunt that he pulled over on AJ this week I bet Andre had to break it down to his uncle...

 

[Rey]

What stunt did Andre's uncle pull this week?

 

[Texan_Bill]

Who knows? But probably a wise move on AJ's part!!

Family and business - DON'T MIX! (most of the time)

 

[mr. peebs]

I'm guessing his uncle had a lot to do with AJ missing out on the three OTAs.. or at least that's what OP is implying.

 

[NitroGSXR]

Who knows? But probably a wise move on AJ's part!!

Family and business - DON'T MIX! (most of the time)

Exactly right.

Good on Andre. Bad on the Texans. Let's see if they can mesh somewhere down the road. Feathers have now been ruffled.

 

[Texan_Bill]

Exactly right.

Good on Andre. Bad on the Texans. Let's see if they can mesh somewhere down the road. Feathers have now been ruffled.

I believe Bob "cheap ass McNair" will make sure that Andre will remain a happy Texan for a long while..

 

[thunderkyss]

I see it more as a referendum on the job that Andre Melton has done (not good).

Same thing... Andre in good faith restructured his contract to free up more than $6 million for the 2007 & 2008 salary cap... and now he has to twist arms to get a new deal in an uncapped year??

Bullcaca

 

[drewmar74]

I believe Bob "cheap ass McNair" will make sure that Andre will remain a happy Texan for a long while..

Yes, TB, yes.... embrace the cow



Come over to the dairy side.....

 

[Texan_Bill]

Yes, TB, yes.... embrace the cow



Come over to the dairy side.....

Oh no you di'int!!! I will never accept

 

[mattieuk]

He's following the DeMecy Ryans 'how to get a contract from the Texans 101' book down to the tee.

Great to see him back now, and with some proper representation.

 

[beerlover]

what is his actual market value?

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

Thread should be properly renamed "Andre Johnsonfinally gets an agent."

 

[BigBull17]

what is his actual market value?

WHen you get to guys who are the best at their position in the game, it gets hard to determine. His value is really high.

 

[infantrycak]

Same thing... Andre in good faith restructured his contract to free up more than $6 million for the 2007 & 2008 salary cap... and now he has to twist arms to get a new deal in an uncapped year??

Bullcaca

Great so now we have people pissed that the Texans are considering redoing his deal and people pissed that the Texans haven't redone the deal fast enough.

Oh look, it's the off-season.

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

You must have an experienced agent when dealing with money like this. This situation reminds me of the Dr. Evil segment in the Austin Powers film The Spy Who Shagged Me. Watch the segment beginning around 2 minutes and ending at 3 minutes.

 

[Double Barrel]

Great so now we have people pissed that the Texans are considering redoing his deal and people pissed that the Texans haven't redone the deal fast enough.

Oh look, it's the off-season.

And don't forget the sub-categories of folks that lost a little respect for AJ, folks that lost a lot of respect for AJ, and the third group that could give a rat's ass because it's just business.

Ahhh, the off-season, when mountains are made out of molehills.

 

[Carr Bombed]

Regardless of 20/20 hindsight, you just proved my point. Beltran did not sign with the Astros.

??? How the heck did I "just prove your point", you were talking about how if he has a shark of a agent like Boras...we would advise Andre to get off a losing team and sign with a contender...when Scott Boras did the complete opposite.

I didn't prove your point at all. Scott Boras doesn't care about getting his players to winning clubs. He would send them to absolutely horrible teams if they ponied up enough care. The money is all he cares about.

 

[Double Barrel]

??? How the heck did I "just prove your point", you were talking about how if he has a shark of a agent like Boras...we would advise Andre to get off a losing team and sign with a contender...when Scott Boras did the complete opposite.

I didn't prove your point at all. Scott Boras doesn't care about getting his players to winning clubs. He would send them to absolutely horrible teams if they ponied up enough care. The money is all he cares about.

O.K., I'm typing really slow so that you can follow...

My point: a "shark agent" would have probably told AJ to get off this team and get the most money possible.

Point Result: We lose AJ.

The Scott Boras blast was a joke. You know, a Houston fan understanding kind of cynicism joke. I did not mean to imply that AJ's situation was the same as Beltran's. Again, the point was that a shark agent would have told him to go for the most money possible and we would have lost AJ. THAT was my point. Blink twice if you comprehend me.

My statement was not even directed at you. It was a reply to Nitro's post:

Then Andre's a friggin' moron. Hiring a bonafide shark ain't all that hard considering his earning potential.

If he had a shark for an agent *cough*ScottBoras*cough*, he would have advised AJ to get off the loser team and sign with a championship caliber team that would compensate him, as well (Indy, NE).

I'm glad he doesn't have a shark for an agent as a Texans fan.

I am sorry that my Scott Boras blast flew over your head and distracted you from what I was attempting to say. I say attempting because I obviously failed to get it across to the peanut gallery.*

Do you think a shark agent would have advised AJ to extend his rookie contract? If so, by definition, he would not be a shark agent.

p.s. The Mets went to the 2006 NLCS, so it's not like they were a crappy team when Beltran signed with them. But again, that's beside the point and absolutely not the point.

*not meant as an offense to you in any way, as I've always liked you and have never had a problem with you and don't feel like I've got a problem with you right now. I'm just trying to clarify what I was saying to begin with...taking the time to do so because I like you.

 

[Carr Bombed]

O.K., I'm typing really slow so that you can follow...

My point: a "shark agent" would have probably told AJ to get off this team and get the most money possible.

Point Result: We lose AJ.

The Scott Boras blast was a joke. You know, a Houston fan understanding kind of cynicism joke. I did not mean to imply that AJ's situation was the same as Beltran's. Again, the point was that a shark agent would have told him to go for the most money possible and we would have lost AJ. THAT was my point. Blink twice if you comprehend me.

My statement was not even directed at you. It was a reply to Nitro's post:





I am sorry that my Scott Boras blast flew over your head and distracted you from what I was attempting to say. I say attempting because I obviously failed to get it across to the peanut gallery.*

Do you think a shark agent would have advised AJ to extend his rookie contract? If so, by definition, he would not be a shark agent.

p.s. The Mets went to the 2006 NLCS, so it's not like they were a crappy team when Beltran signed with them. But again, that's beside the point and absolutely not the point.

*not meant as an offense to you in any way, as I've always liked you and have never had a problem with you and don't feel like I've got a problem with you right now. I'm just trying to clarify what I was saying to begin with...taking the time to do so because I like you.

Okay, you don't need to type anything slow....you just need to go read what you originally typed

If he had a shark for an agent *cough*ScottBoras*cough*, he would have advised AJ to get off the loser team and sign with a championship caliber team that would compensate him, as well (Indy, NE).

That's not just talking about money.....hence the whole "why the hell did Boras get Beltran off a team that was just in the NLCS to sign with a team that was 20 games under .500". I didn't miss anything that I read and I don't need to read slowly.

I don't think Andre's uncle is a snake......he's done a hell of a job as far as getting Andre money and if a team keeps tossing contracts your way, why wouldn't you keep signing them

 

[BullNation4Life]

and don't forget the sub-categories of folks that lost a little respect for aj, folks that lost a lot of respect for aj, and the third group that could give a rat's ass because it's just business.

Ahhh, the off-season, when mountains are made out of molehills.

the offseason in houston: Knee jerk reactions live here!