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AJ no show/now back to work

“When the time comes for it, it’ll come,” said Johnson, who sat out the first three days of OTAs in an apparent contract dispute. “I’m not pressing anything or anything like that. Hopefully, it’ll all work out.”

“Like I said, I’m not really worried about it,” he said. “I’m out here just trying to work and doing what I need to do to help win a Super Bowl around here. That’s what I’m going to continue to do, and like I said before, if that happens, it’ll happen and it will take care of itself.”
http://www.houstontexans.com/blog/?topic_id=&blogger_id=19

There's our leader. I will go on record and say (not that I or anybody didn't think this before this offseason) that AJ will be a lifelong Texan. I feel confident we won't restructure his deal right now but I do think it will get done maybe in the next year or two. The 2nd quote is exactly why he'll be in Houston until he retires. That is as long as Kubiak & Smith are running the show - they reward players like this, especially one of AJ's calibre. If K&S get canned down the road, my fear would be some hot shot dumb*ass new coach or GM effs it up (ala Josh McDaniels).
 
Okay, you don't need to type anything slow....you just need to go read what you originally typed

ahh, you got me. My intended point obscured by a bad attempt at a cynical joke. What can I say. :rolleyes:

I still don't understand why your peepee is so hurt because of business between a player and a franchise that has not caused any negative effect with either party or any players and coaches. But, it's not really for me to understand, I suppose. America: the land of the free and the right to have a hurt peepee.
 
An entertaining article worth reading in its entirety, geared to the AJ situation. JERRY MCGUIRE-SHOW ME the MONEY.

Andre Johnson is a lot like a lot of us. We pinch our pennies and save anywhere we can, especially in today's economy. However, sometimes we try so hard to save that it actually costs us money. How many of you have a mom or grandma that will spend an extra $10 dollars in gas to save $ 5 dollars going to different stores to buy groceries or household goods? Well, that is what Andre Johnson did when he negotiated his contract. That's right, when HE negotiated his contract. He used his Uncle as an advisor so that he could save the agent fee.

In the NFL, an agent is limited to 3% of the contract. That is right, 3%. So Johnson was trying to save 3% of the most important contract he has ever signed in his life. Not a smart move and I believe he realizes that now that he has 5 years remaining on his contract and with only an average of $7 million a year coming to him.

While $7 million per year would be akin to hitting the lottery for most of us, consider that fact that Larry Fitzgerald just signed a 4 year 40 million dollar contract in 2008 that guarantees him 75% of the contract. Fitz also walked away from the closing table with a small signing bonus check of $ 15 million to go have some fun with. Fitzgerald's contract makes Andre Johnson clearly under paid.

This offseason however Johnson's status as the best receiver in the game was overshadowed once again by another player signing a more lucrative contract then his. Brandon Marshall who was traded to the Dolphins is no getting over 10 million a year and not paying any State sales tax in Florida increasing his net by an approximate additional $700,000 per year on average.

Johnson has obviously learned his lesson the hard way. CONFUSIOUS SAY:

"When you are in the position to make the largest contract of your short NFL career, you shouldn't use big Momma or your Uncle Melton, to get your deal done. Hire the best sports agent available to negotiate your deal for you and pay him the 3% with a smile on your face."

NFL players, let this be life's lesson for the day......

Now NFL players....., if you will please turn open your textbooks and turn to page 29 titled, "**** Happens, Players Get Hurt." This chapter is about why Leon Washington should have signed a guaranteed extension with the Jets before the 2009 season, instead of holding out for more on the open market after the season upon the conclusion of the season and risk getting hurt (which is what happened).........
 
Aw man I know how he feels...to an extent. I never lost on millions but hundreds...that's another story, just call my car dealership and they'll give you the the reason why. lol
 
I don't know if AJ has lost on anything.... yet. If he gets a new deal now, then he'll have essentially played the last three at $10M/yr... If he gets a new deal next year, it's a little under $9M/yr...

However, if he plays out the rest of his contract, 8 years $60M, it would work out to $7.5M/yr.
 
Interesting write up on Andre's deal and what would have happened if he never signed that extension in 2007.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AsJgKoWMV8XWE.L7Ag51RrpDubYF?slug=jc-directsnap060310

“Andre Johnson is the one guy who could have [gotten more per year] than Larry Fitzgerald at that point,” a prominent agent said, referring to what could have happened if Johnson had waited. “The funny part is we actually had his contract used against us in one negotiation. The team said, ‘Your guy isn’t as good as Andre Johnson and look at his contract.’ ”

The bottom line is this, if Johnson had been patient, he could have hauled in more than $104 million over the same 12 years where he stands to make $81.71 million. And that’s if he stays healthy all the way through. Under the more patient scenario, nearly $70 million of that would have been guaranteed.
 
I am totally shocked to find out that a sports agent would think AJ's contract was bad.
 
I am totally shocked to find out that a sports agent would think AJ's contract was bad.

If by bad you mean under market value then I ask you why would you be shocked? Its clearly not a market value deal in comparison to other contracts especially Brandon Marshall's new deal.
 
I don't know if AJ has lost on anything.... yet. If he gets a new deal now, then he'll have essentially played the last three at $10M/yr... If he gets a new deal next year, it's a little under $9M/yr...

However, if he plays out the rest of his contract, 8 years $60M, it would work out to $7.5M/yr.

Since there was a thread entitled "To all the Bob McNair is cheap crowd," let me ask this: Does anyone think the Texans screwed AJ over, knowing full well that his asking price on the previous contract was a great bargain for the Texans when it was all said and done?

In short: McNair and his accountants pee'd themselves silly when AJ and his uncle agreed to the contract. That team of employees surely knew that he was going to "outplay" his contract. Yet it was a deal that was struck.

Takes two to do the Texans Two-Step. Does he have great agent representation? Apparently not. But now that leaves McNair and his pencil pushers left with fingerprints on the knife.
 
Michael "5K" Watts: I've been saying this whole thread that AJ's contract was not his market value. That was just a sarcastic response to an agent parroting my thoughts.

GP is right (effin cellphone that won't let me quote). I'm sure when AJ signed that dotted line McNair and Smith both fistbumped each other and began discussing how shrewd they were over a case of Natty Ice. A real agent would've probably gotten a contract done that had a higher percentager of guaranteed money with a higher total value as well.
 
I'm sure when AJ signed that dotted line McNair and Smith both fistbumped each other and began discussing how shrewd they were over a case of Natty Ice. A real agent would've probably gotten a contract done that had a higher percentager of guaranteed money with a higher total value as well.

At the end of the 2005 season, there was no doubt who was the best receiver in the league. He had led the league in receiving yards, receptions, and touchdowns. Becoming only the third player in league history to ever do so in the same year.

Steve Smith couldn't get a contract done, the Panthers made him wait. Jake Delhomme had a bad year in 2006, causing Smith's numbers to suffer. While he didn't lead the league, his numbers still showed the consistency, the panthers needed to see. They inked a deal with the Tiny Terror in May 2007, effectively a 3 year contract extension, locking the receiver up through the 2012 season. The contract totaled $38 million. I can't find what the guaranteed money was.

But I don't remember anyone at the time saying that Johnson was screwed, when he signed an extension for $60 million that same year. The biggest "concern" was the length of time on the contract. Steve Smiths contract covered a total of 6 years... $38 million. Andre's locked him up for the next 8 years... $60 million.

The only thing, I think an "experienced" agent would have done, would be to have put an option for the team to pick up over the second half of the contract including more guaranteed money, and smaller salaries... he's owed $34 million for the remaining 5 years of the Contract, to be paid in increasing annual salaries. (contracts structured this way are usually done so to "force" management to renegotiate the later years). Another $15 million bonus with a little more than $3million salaries for the remaining 5 years would have been "fair" back then.

Now, I'd like to see $20 million with a little less than $3 million.

It would work out to the same money he agreed to play for in 2007. He would just get more of it up front.

He made a commitment to the Texans 3 years ago, now it's their turn to do the same.
 
Those would be wonderful points to make in a contract negotiation … if Johnson didn’t have five years left on his current deal. He could even use those points to counter the negativity of a holdout if Johnson was playing serious hardball with the Texans by not showing up for offseason work at all. However, Johnson has been far from disruptive. Instead, he missed three days of workouts this offseason, showed up to tell management he wasn’t happy and then went back to work with his teammates.

He did that even after Melton hinted to the media that Johnson was going to play rough with the Texans.

“My uncle may have said some things about what he thought I should do, but that didn’t come from me,” said Johnson, who led the league with 1,569 receiving yards last season.

Johnson’s body language demonstrated that he was clearly uncomfortable with the idea of holding out. The idea goes against his very nature. But Johnson, 28, is also frustrated with his contract, a deal which likely will cover the rest of his most productive seasons. By the time it expires after the 2014 season, Johnson will likely be playing out the string of his career if he’s even able to do that.

“When I missed the first days [of offseason work], everybody has their own opinion like, ‘He’s greedy and this and that.’ They don’t know the whole story, they haven’t been here, so it’s something you just have to understand,” said Johnson, the third overall pick in the 2003 NFL draft. “The crazy thing about it – and this is why I say people don’t know what was going on – when I signed the contract [extension in 2007], all you heard is, ‘He’s a great guy, he’s a team player, he restructured his deal to bring other people in.’

“But now, when I ask for a restructured contract, ‘He’s greedy, he’s a diva, he’s this.’ Everybody flips on me.”

For the Texans, this is clearly an uncomfortable subject. They have a great player who is dissatisfied. Criticizing Johnson in any way would come off as bad PR.

“I want to make something clear, this is not me against Andre Johnson,” Houston general manager Rick Smith said. “Andre is a great player and person in every way.”

But …

“We didn’t give Andre a new contract [in 2007] to create cap space so we could sign free agents. We did it because he wanted more money,” Smith said.

OK, the problem is that Johnson didn’t really get a lot more than if he had played out the old deal – certainly not enough to make up for the risk of playing out his first contract.

Here’s the breakdown: As a rookie, Johnson signed a six-year, $39 million deal, which was pretty much in line with the market at the time. Then again, most rookie contracts are essentially slotted deals and the Texans were aggressive about giving Johnson a deal to get him signed on time for camp.

Where things went wrong was after the first four years of that deal in the 2007 offseason. By that time, according to NFL Players Association figures, Johnson had earned $21.71 million and had two years left on his rookie deal. He would have made $8.35 million in 2007 and again in 2008 for a total of $38.41 million over the first six years of his contract.

That also would have made Johnson a free agent or franchise player in the 2009 offseason. By then, fellow wide receivers Larry Fitzgerald(notes) (four years, $40 million) and Roy Williams (six years, $54 million) had already signed lucrative extensions.

But instead of playing out the final two years and getting leverage that comes with being a free agent or franchise player, Johnson signed a new deal in March 2007, adding six years to his original contract.

The result was basically an eight-year deal worth $60 million. If all goes well, Johnson, who is the only other receiver under 30 who ranks with Fitzgerald, will earn a total of $81.71 million over 12 years, which is basically his whole career.

Now, there’s nothing terribly wrong with that sum, but here’s the problem: Based on what Fitzgerald and Williams signed for, it’s not absurd to believe that Johnson easily could have made more than $10 million per year if he had waited. A six-year, $66 million contract, including $32 million or so guaranteed, could easily have been had.

“Andre Johnson is the one guy who could have [gotten more per year] than Larry Fitzgerald at that point,” a prominent agent said, referring to what could have happened if Johnson had waited. “The funny part is we actually had his contract used against us in one negotiation. The team said, ‘Your guy isn’t as good as Andre Johnson and look at his contract.’ ”

The bottom line is this, if Johnson had been patient, he could have hauled in more than $104 million over the same 12 years where he stands to make $81.71 million. And that’s if he stays healthy all the way through. Under the more patient scenario, nearly $70 million of that would have been guaranteed.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AlnXGfX.k8QJEnYLAPmbLMJDubYF?slug=jc-directsnap060310
 
Take this for what it's worth and make of it what you will. Could be something, could be nothing.

Posted this on the other board but:

(Posted this last week, she was on First Take last week)
Charean Williams of the Star-Telegram says Johnson could hold out of TC and her source says dont be surprised if he does. She didnt say it exactly as this but holding out would be his only way to get his point across. OTOH, she also says they are working on a deal that would make him the highest paid reciever but things are difficult(regarding or in terms of a new CBA and things like that).

John McClain weighs in:
The Houston Chronicle's John McClain hinted in a blog post Saturday that the Texans aren't necessarily out of the woods in regard to Andre Johnson's contract situation.
"I'm not convinced the Andre Johnson contract situation couldn't get ugly," wrote McClain. "When I see Johnson on the field on Friday, I'll be convinced." While GM Rick Smith is working on getting Johnson a new deal, it doesn't sound like A.J. is a lock to report on time for training camp. Of course, Johnson would risk hefty daily fines by skipping practices.

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/pl...news.asp?sport=NFL&id=1575&line=175995&spln=1

I don't see general manager Rick Smith having problems getting his draft choices signed. I'm not convinced the Andre Johnson contract situation couldn't get ugly. When I see Johnson on the field on Friday, I'll be convinced.

http://blogs.chron.com/nfl/2010/07/its_going_to_be_a_fun_ride_wat.html
 
AJ is one of the few players that I'm not too worried about whether he misses any / all of TC. Even IF a new deal isn't reached, he won't risk missing a gameday paycheck. I doubt he'd be classless enough to cause much of a distraction.
 
AJ missing some of training camp doesn't bother me. Dude has been there, done that, and has good chemistry with Schaub already. Though, I'd like him out there to push Kareem more. Not to mention its good to have your players at TC anyway.
 
It bothers me a little when I know I have a young Jacoby Jones that has yet to show the professionalism that Andre has, and a Dorin Dickerson and Trendell Holiday that need to see the big man at work.
 
AJ missing some of training camp doesn't bother me. Dude has been there, done that, and has good chemistry with Schaub already.
There was a lot of rumbling regarding Dunta's missing camp last season (not a holdout, he wasn't signed). They may have been right, as Robinson was not good out of the box versus the Jets. AJ could be a little rusty if he skips camp.

Besides, it's just a distraction this team doesn't need. This needs to be fixed sooner, rather than later. It's Rick Smith's job to figure out how that happens.
 
Besides, it's just a distraction this team doesn't need. This needs to be fixed sooner, rather than later. It's Rick Smith's job to figure out how that happens.

Of all the guys on our team, this is the one guy we should make sure is happy. Not necessarily because of his production or his beastliness, but because of his professionalism.
 
If he holds out again, then the whole holding out and coming back thing during OTAs was to cover Brian Cushing's drama. I'm still thinking of the interview where he said he never really wanted to hold out and that these things work themselves out.
 
There was a lot of rumbling regarding Dunta's missing camp last season (not a holdout, he wasn't signed). They may have been right, as Robinson was not good out of the box versus the Jets. AJ could be a little rusty if he skips camp.

Apples and Oranges. AJ is coming off the best season of his career. Dunta was still trying to get back to his pre-injured norm. Which was also apples to AJ's oranges. AJ is what? a 3 time Pro-Bowler? Dunta was a pro-bowl "calibre" player.

I'm not taking the side that it's no big deal if AJ misses camp. I don't believe that. I'm just saying two totally different scenarios.


But there is a lot of unknowns right now. Is Richard Smith trying to make AJ the highest paid wide Receiver? If so, why is this thing not signed yet? Is he trying to extend AJ another 3 years past the existing 5? Another 5 years? If so, why would AJ have a problem with it?

If AJ doesn't show up at TC, after his OTA ordeal, we will know something is terribly wrong.
 
Of all the guys on our team, this is the one guy we should make sure is happy. Not necessarily because of his production or his beastliness, but because of his professionalism.

I don't know about that. I believe the team is bigger than one guy.


But, I do agree with paying the man, even though he has 5 years left on his current deal. He's led the NFL in Receiving yards 2 years in a row, top five in receptions 2 years in a row. Gives you 110% every game. Doesn't cause Drama in the locker room or out on the streets. He's the perfect player, and we should be encouraging our younger guys to be more like him.

If we have a bunch of players all of a sudden wanting a new contract every time we turn around, and they point to Andre as their precedence, I would have no problem pointing right back at Andre, and saying, "you are no Andre Johnson."
 
So if AJ is at TC on Friday, does that mean McClain should be fired?

e: trick question, he should've been fired a long time ago.
 
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