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Aaron Glenn Released - Signed by Dallas
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Nawzer
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I thought the whole PB trade was to bring in another quality corner who will take over A.G.'s spot eventually. As you all know we need 3 quality corners in our division because the Colts have 3 receivers who went over the 1000 yd mark this past season. With A.G. gone DeMarcus Faggins becomes our nickel corner and although he's a good player I would've been more comfortable with PB in that position. I agree with the points Porky made and I think I'd rather have a Khaliff Barnes, Everett, or their equivalent. PB might turn out to be a good player for us but he might not and that possibility has to be taken under consideration. What if PB turns out to be bust??? A.G. might not be the player he once was but he's still a good player and a good veteran leader for this team. I just don't know what to make of this move. Just because a player asks to be released doesn't mean you grant him whatever he wishes for. Then again I don't know who to believe..Capers and Casserly never give straight answers but I think this is a issue where most fans would like to know what happened. Becuase I think today our team took a step backwards by releasing Aaron Glenn.
michaelm
vox nihili
Porky,
A few things to consider;
These moves are the only way that the Texans could COMPLETEY clean AG, Sharper and Foremen's contract $ from the cap space. Next year there will be alot more cap space because of these unpopular moves.
With AG and Sharper clearly on the downside of their careers, we would not have been able to find any teams willing to trade for them and assume their HUGE salaries. Huge in comparison to their contribution to the team.
I believe that in any trade scenario, we would end up eating some of the contract of each player if we could, in fact, find someone willing to trade for them. This may or may not be an issue, because the signing bonuses for each player that we released have accelerated onto this years cap (this is good in a way, since we have the room this year, and it won't count against next year).
So, while I will admit, it hurts to see these guys go, and we may have taken a little step back for this season, these moves set us up really, really well for the next few years. Basically, we will have a D that is about as good as last year with a chance that it will be better. BUT we will have alot of wiggle room cap wise to work with in 2006, so the future upside is way, way better IMHO.
A few things to consider;
These moves are the only way that the Texans could COMPLETEY clean AG, Sharper and Foremen's contract $ from the cap space. Next year there will be alot more cap space because of these unpopular moves.
With AG and Sharper clearly on the downside of their careers, we would not have been able to find any teams willing to trade for them and assume their HUGE salaries. Huge in comparison to their contribution to the team.
I believe that in any trade scenario, we would end up eating some of the contract of each player if we could, in fact, find someone willing to trade for them. This may or may not be an issue, because the signing bonuses for each player that we released have accelerated onto this years cap (this is good in a way, since we have the room this year, and it won't count against next year).
So, while I will admit, it hurts to see these guys go, and we may have taken a little step back for this season, these moves set us up really, really well for the next few years. Basically, we will have a D that is about as good as last year with a chance that it will be better. BUT we will have alot of wiggle room cap wise to work with in 2006, so the future upside is way, way better IMHO.
Porky
Hall of Fame
michaelm said:
And you don't think others will come up for bigger contracts just as soon as all of this cap space "puts us over the top". The Texans willingly signed these contracts. It's a two way street. Drob, AJ, and others will be in line for huge raises. What then? Do we release Andre Johnson down the road because he runs a 4.45 instead of a 4.4 because he is making too much money? You cannot convince me this was a good move, either in the short, or the long term. Mr. Mcnair said himself that he felt like we should compete for a playoff spot this year. Basically, are they now trying to say to forget all that, and that they are in a rebuilding mode? Did I miss the building portion? The trade of PB was debatable, but wholly defensible. I cannot say the same of the AG release.
michaelm
vox nihili
All teams come up against the salary cap, there's no way around that. The Texans choose to deal with it before it becomes a huge issue like it did for the Titans. And, yes, even AJ or DRob may one day have to restructure or be traded/released for cap reasons. Its just the nature of the business.
Yes, it sucks, but if there were no cap, teams payrolls would be sky high, ticket prices would be even higher, and teams that are in small cities would not be able to afford to keep up with the larger market teams, ala the NY Yankees...
It will hurt for a little while, but next year when our new players like Greenwood and PB have experience with our system, we have a good draft with extra picks that we gained this year, AND we have cap space to bring in a few key free agents, you will see that these moves are really very, very smart.
I won't debate you on the draft, because I was hoping it would go differently myself, but I will wait and see how our new draftees turn out...
*edit*
on the question of being in rebuilding mode... I think the D has a chance to be just as good, maybe better. There will be MUCH more team speed allowing us to impliment some of the blitz packages that Capers D is known for. We have not been able to use the full defensive playbook up to now, but we should be able to set the D loose with the improved team speed. You can't deny that the defensive speed is much better...
Yes, it sucks, but if there were no cap, teams payrolls would be sky high, ticket prices would be even higher, and teams that are in small cities would not be able to afford to keep up with the larger market teams, ala the NY Yankees...
It will hurt for a little while, but next year when our new players like Greenwood and PB have experience with our system, we have a good draft with extra picks that we gained this year, AND we have cap space to bring in a few key free agents, you will see that these moves are really very, very smart.
I won't debate you on the draft, because I was hoping it would go differently myself, but I will wait and see how our new draftees turn out...
*edit*
on the question of being in rebuilding mode... I think the D has a chance to be just as good, maybe better. There will be MUCH more team speed allowing us to impliment some of the blitz packages that Capers D is known for. We have not been able to use the full defensive playbook up to now, but we should be able to set the D loose with the improved team speed. You can't deny that the defensive speed is much better...
Porky
Hall of Fame
michaelm said:
The problem with your thesis is that the Texans are not in any way, shape, or form, in cap trouble. Release folks to avoid a problem that may or may not manifest itself in a year or two is a very strange way to conduct buiness. According to an interview with AG that is on the radio, he is the one who wanted out. The Texans should have known that before they pulled the trigger on the trade, because if I was GM, that would put the kabosh on this trade. And if they didn't know that was going to happen, and found out about it now, then I would have told AG too bad. He signed a contract. If the Texans have to live up to their end, why shouldn't AG? This was totally screwed up, and all the homerism in the world, cannot fix it.
Vinny
shiny happy fan
Glenn was praising the Texans for allowing him to find a team after the Buchanon deal. He was very appreciative of our front office and I think he was afraid of being cut later in camp due to his high salary. You guys want to start rumor and form opinions based on your imaginations...its all hysterical and all that but its not reality based.Porky said:
Porky,
You are getting way too melodramatic. When the PB trade went down, you can't honestly tell me you didn't see AG as a salary cap casualty. That is all that happened to Aaron Glenn. He became a salary cap casualty, nothing more nothing less. No GM in his right mind is going to pay $4 million in 2005, $4.25 million in 2006, and $5.5 million in 2007 to an aging player on the downside of his career, to be a backup or nickle back, when the eventual starting CB is only making $700,000 this year, and 800,000 the next. It's the same thing that happened Jamie Sharper. When they both were asked to restructure their contracts, and declined to do so . . they both knew what was coming.
You are getting way too melodramatic. When the PB trade went down, you can't honestly tell me you didn't see AG as a salary cap casualty. That is all that happened to Aaron Glenn. He became a salary cap casualty, nothing more nothing less. No GM in his right mind is going to pay $4 million in 2005, $4.25 million in 2006, and $5.5 million in 2007 to an aging player on the downside of his career, to be a backup or nickle back, when the eventual starting CB is only making $700,000 this year, and 800,000 the next. It's the same thing that happened Jamie Sharper. When they both were asked to restructure their contracts, and declined to do so . . they both knew what was coming.
downtownsb
Practice Squad
AG was just on 610, and he said that the decision was mutual but only after he asked to be released, he said the Texans told him they were going to target a CB in the first round but when they werent willing to trade alot to move up in the draft they started looking at FA and then they got the Buchanon deal. He said that because there were four cb's he reaslised that someone was going to be making alot of money and sitting on the bench, and it might bring about bad blood, he said he wouldnt have minded a reduced role he just diddnt want to sit on the bench all season because the Texans dont use alot of four CB packages. He said the Texans were great about letting him choose the team he would go to. He is leaving for Dallas now and ther deal isnt done but he said it will probably be done by the time he gets there.
michaelm
vox nihili
Porky said:
Calling my assessment homerism is just a silly blanket statement to express your displeasure over the situation. What I am explaining has absolutely nothing to do with homerism. More like your point of veiw is biased by your homerism toward the players, and theres nothing wrong with that.
The Texans are not in cap trouble, and WILL NOT BE because of tough choices like these. The key point is that these releases had to be done this year to get the contracts off of next years salary cap. You see, the signing bonuses that these players get when they sign is spread out over the length of the contract, BUT by releasing them now, the whole bonus goes against this years cap and will not count against next years numbers.
Just so you know, David Carr is in the option yearof his contract, and before next year the team will have to execise that option or he will be a free agent. These moves free up cap space for moves like that, and also for the raises that you mentioned regarding AJ and DRob. Where do you think the $ will come from? Would you rather pay Sharper and Glen more that the level of their play is worth, or free up the money for next year and beyond to keep the really good young players that are going top be the core of our team.
Actually, that is the simplest way to look at it... make these moves now, so we won't have to make them later with the guys that I'd rather be able to keep like DC, AJ, and DRob...
TexAntagonise
Practice Squad
Marcus said:
How does that happen when you don't have a cap problem THIS year.
Sounds like they took a page from the Bengal.
Porky
Hall of Fame
Marcus said:
No, I can honestly tell you that I didn't see it coming. Why the revionist history? Would you like me to pull the quotes from Capers and Casserly on this? I can if you want. They said the reason for the deal was so that we could match up with the Colts with three good corners. There is no salary cap problem. Why deal with a problem that is non existant. You guys are falling for spin, that's all. At the worst, we could have gone one more year with AG, and see if he declines further. He may no longer be All-Pro Aaron Glenn, but he still has game.
S
SESupergenius
Guest
Well if you think the defense was bad last year, wait until this one. AG might have lost a step but knew where to be and provided invaluable leadership. D-Rob will now have to step up. Buchanon is just not the player Glenn was and probably never will be. Now, he's taken his spot. The guy got torched often, trust me, I've had to watch Raider games often. We should have paid the price for AG for another year and drafted a CB in this draft, of which many felt was deep at CB.
michaelm
vox nihili
Will somebody with the cap #s for next year please total up the cap savings for next year with these moves?
I believe that we should see close to $10 million in cap savings next year with the releases of AG, Sharper and Foremen.
It may not be quite that much, but I think it will be close
I believe that we should see close to $10 million in cap savings next year with the releases of AG, Sharper and Foremen.
It may not be quite that much, but I think it will be close
FILO_girl
I'm not here
While it is not cool this happend, I will copy the post I left at the "other" board on this situation.
I got so much chit-ola over my defiance at the Sharper release and now folks are going over the deep end over Glenn. Both good players, both a little older, both still "had it". Both got dumped for new blood.
Now the train is filling, I used to be the only passenger. Funny how this stuff works out.
All a-board the "What in the ****?" Express. Next stop.....2 Reliant Park.
I got so much chit-ola over my defiance at the Sharper release and now folks are going over the deep end over Glenn. Both good players, both a little older, both still "had it". Both got dumped for new blood.
Now the train is filling, I used to be the only passenger. Funny how this stuff works out.
All a-board the "What in the ****?" Express. Next stop.....2 Reliant Park.
S
SESupergenius
Guest
Save all the gap money you want, but you better be successfull. If not, then you did it for naught.michaelm said:
Diehardtexan
Waterboy
The Texans are doing the right thing, New England does that every year and still get better with younger players. We have to cut down on players that cost too much to keep. If you have a good system then the players that we bring in will fill the need just the same as the top names players. New England didn't win the last superbowl with Ty Law they won it with no name corners. If we want to win and move on then we can't get too attached to our favoraite players. This is the new era of sports, the players wanted free agency and with that we kissed loyalty good bye. Get used to it. Maybe David Carr is next if he doesn't get to the next level.
michaelm
vox nihili
SESupergenius said:
That's true of every single move a GM makes.
Personally, if the choices are keeping the older players and maintaining the mediocre defense that we had, OR letting the new blood get accustomed to our system and having a whole lot more cap room for FAs in 2006, then I choose the latter. We are not going to the SuperBowl in 2005, but with these moves, I think we can be a real playoff threat in 2006.
the young players thing is the key to the Eagles and Patriots success. You keep bringing in young players.. as many as you can.. stockpile picks. When your veteran contracts are up.. let em go.. you will have a quality young player behind them, and the compensatory picks next year for the FA you lost.
Not necessarily how I would want us to run things.. but to a limited degree this seems like a good way to go about doing business in the current era of the NFL.
Not necessarily how I would want us to run things.. but to a limited degree this seems like a good way to go about doing business in the current era of the NFL.
TexAntagonise
Practice Squad
Diehardtexan said:
The Bengals do that also. That is a very fine lin.
Diehardtexan
Waterboy
The Bengals are actually doing better now that they are getting rid off old players that cost too much and had losing attitudes. They got rid of most of the high draft picks from the past.
mean mark8
Waterboy
Problem with this new blood thing is we always hear from the coaches how they can't put in all of the plays because the players are too young. From what we are told, Capers' defense requires a lot of cerebral matter. How is our defense going to get better now that we have at least 3 new starters in a new system? These guys better be studs and be able to pick things up very quickly. If I hear again how the new guys haven't adjusted to our system, I'm giving up on the Texans ever being any good under this regime.
S
SESupergenius
Guest
I guess that's why the Patriots brought in the 30-year old Harrison and extented the also 30 year old Dillons contract.Grid said:
Eagles signed 31 year old Owens as well. I could go on.
Nah, that doesn't fly fellas, try again.
Porky
Hall of Fame
Diehardtexan said:
I don't totally disagree with this, but if you take this approach, then to be successful, you have to make great decisions in FA, the draft, etc. You also need terrific depth, which we are not even close to having. And you stockpile picks, you don't give them away willy nilly. And, it also helps to have the best FO and best coaching staff in the league. If you think we can just cast off aging vets and replace them magically with rookies, with no reprucsions, your dreaming. It's easy to copy NE's philosphy, but not so easy to match their success.
Youngstown Colt
Rookie
Yep, this isn't exactly the same as what the pats and eagles do, sure it's similar, but not the same.
And the pats and eagles do it because they have already established a winning attitude and organization, not just everyone can do this and make it work
And the pats and eagles do it because they have already established a winning attitude and organization, not just everyone can do this and make it work
Diehardtexan
Waterboy
I would rather have them let the players that don't want to be here go than have them just wait for them to hold a grudge and be a cancer in the club house. I'm not saying that Glenn was that kind of a player, but he did ask to be released. It's better to do it now than wait for them to get hurt and then release them. That would send a bad massege to other players. I think it will work just fine for both the way it just happend with Glenn.Porky said:
Porky
Hall of Fame
Diehardtexan said:
So, every time a player is unhappy with PT, or money, the coach, or whatever, we just release them? What kind of lunacy is that? I guess Philly should go ahead and release TO then. Using your theory, P Buch would have been released, not traded. Moss would have been released too probably instead of traded. If we have truly disgruntled players or lockeroom cancers, the best way to deal with it is to trade them, or make their lives a living hell and make an example out of them to the other players. Releasing every disgruntled player in this league would lead to total chaos. They are the players, not the owner. They can quit if they want. It's a free country. But, they won't get paid either.
mean mark8
Waterboy
AG was a Pro Bowl starter in his 3rd yr; where's PB's pro bowl? Let's face it, if Oakland was wanting to get rid of him, OAKLAND, how good can he be? They always pick up the malcontents and they wanted him gone.
We know it wasn't for salary cap reasons.
We know it wasn't for salary cap reasons.
utahmark
markbeth
michaelm said:
yes but next year we benefit 4.25 mil and the year after that 5.whatever mil. we are getting younger and saving cap room. these younger guys are good players.
it seems they are trying to build a team that can be good year after year and not just make one run at it. to do that we need to be in a good salary cap situation.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
mean mark8 said:
It was mainly the other way around. Buchanon wanted out of Oakland because he didn't like the coaching and didn't think all the players were trying their best.
they also had one of the worst defenses in the league.. trying to make a 3-4 work with 4-3 personel. hard for a young corner to shine in a defense like that.
Buchanan is raw.. but he isnt as bad as the oakland fans make him out to be.. alot of his struggles can be attributed to the entire oakland defense.
Buchanan is raw.. but he isnt as bad as the oakland fans make him out to be.. alot of his struggles can be attributed to the entire oakland defense.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Grid said:
For example--Carr wasn't sacked at all by Oakland. Find me a CB who can cover AJ if Carr isn't pressured. Sure would be nice if the situation happened more.
S
SESupergenius
Guest
You can't peg what the "formula" is, all teams are different. If we are a couple of players away, then where is our "TO" and "Kearse"?? Is it Greenwood and Buchanon. LOL. You act like Greenwood has blistering speed, boy are you overhyping this guy. And Buchanon may have a tad bit more in the rockets than Glenn but will need when he gets floated for 6.michaelm said:
Morlon Greenwood ran 4.60 at the Combine. .05 seconds slower than DeMarcus Ware or Derrick Johnson.
And ive been looking for 30 freaking minutes and cant find Buchanans 40 times.. if I had hair id be freakin pulling it out. If anyone can find his 40 times please post em before I go postal on ESPN for their useless archives.
And ive been looking for 30 freaking minutes and cant find Buchanans 40 times.. if I had hair id be freakin pulling it out. If anyone can find his 40 times please post em before I go postal on ESPN for their useless archives.
texasguy346
Mod Squad
michaelm
vox nihili
SESupergenius said:
first of all, i said that NE and Philly are/were one player away, not us... I never said that.
Secondly, we have added Greenwood, Buchanan, Peek as a full time starter and TJ. ALL significant speed upgrades over what was there before. I haven't been hyping Greenwood at all. Go back and read every single post I have made. I have been saying that I like the increase in team speed. I think it will help us greatly. Go back and re-read the posts that you are trying to criticize, and get back to me when you can respond to what is actually being said.
TopTexanFan16
Waterboy
aaahhhh i dont know bout the rest od u but this has to be the saddest day in football to see glenn go to the cowgirls any other team i wouldbnt have been this upset but....THE COWGIRLS!!! say it aint soooo!!!
kcwilson
Rookie
markbeth said:
I think what is being done is the right move for an organization trying to move from expansion to NFL contender for years to come. In order to be competitive right away and win a few games in the first few years (drawing in loyal fans and revenue), you needed some veteran leadership to prevent the younger offensive players from throwing up on themselves.
Now we are at the point where we can afford to jettison some older players with unfriendly cap numbers and let younger players evolve into leaders. Granted this isn't easy and takes stability at the top or the organization to trust young players to evolve.
Now, Glenn being gone is a loss of talent, but overall we are now in a positive position to land free agents for years ahead and we need to show we are an organization that is about opportunity to young players/stars. Although cutting players doesn't always send that message, but the fact that we granted Aaron Glenn the release in order to provide him the best situation for him is somewhat positive. We could have tried to trade him to somewhere he didn't want to go.
I think it is a good move. I didn't think that this draft was particularly strong and that the FA out there were nice but not significant for us. Not sure who is around next year, but I bet that Capers and Casserly do and that they might have an eye on some additional pieces next year. These guys don't operate year to year.
AndroidRaider24
Noob
He was a bust... its a old scouting report that makes you laugh, bad attitude, bad tackling, lack of effort or will to work out and train, and talks alot of smack for a guy that was benched atleast 5 times in the last two years ...and whats with this pass rush excuse ? Didnt you guys have a worst one than us ? Hes a bad corner, the homerism on this board is beyond words.texasguy346 said:
texasguy346
Mod Squad
AndroidRaider24 said:
I wouldn't call a guy that young a bust just yet. I only posted the report because Grid asked for someone to help him find PB's 40 time. Imagine my surprise that a combine evaluation from the 2002 NFL Draft was old.
Don't get me wrong PB is a risk, but he also has alot of talent. Wether or not he'll be able to use his talent and remain disciplined is something we'll discover over the season. I, for one, feel that he'll play better under a coach like DC as opposed the coaching carousel that was Oakland the past few years. Gruden, Callahan, Turner.AndroidRaider24
Noob
Maybe you right , I hope Capers can fix him up, it would be shame such a talent is going to waste, but the only guy he listened to in the NFL is Deon Sanders, hell Deon gave him that name Showtime, .... maybe AJ could knock some sense on how a player from the U is really suppose to play and act liketexasguy346 said:I wouldn't call a guy that young a bust just yet. I only posted the report because Grid asked for someone to help him find PB's 40 time. Imagine my surprise that a combine evaluation from the 2002 NFL Draft was old.
texasguy346
Mod Squad
I think AJ will go a long way in making PB feel more comfortable here. Of course I would've preferred to keep Glenn here to keep PB in check if he let his ego go a little overboard, but obviously that won't be happening. DC is a defensive minded coach, and he has a knack for getting the most out of his players. Besides we still have Faggins to push PB, and competition can be one of the best motivators. It'll be an interesting season to watch to say the least.
AndroidRaider24
Noob
I agree, also, im dont take this as trolling, i just dislike the guy , not the Texans.texasguy346 said:
