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3rd round Sam Montgomery DE/OLB

htowntexans1985 said:
This worries me when one of your coaches goes out of his way to put you on blast to the NFL. Hopefully he matures.

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This is not a serious sign. Half of recruiting is the school's record on getting kids to the NFL. Discouraging scouts from evaluating players runs absolutely contrary to the interest of all parties.
 
It's obviously a motivational tool. For one thing the list of names is printed on a separate sheet of paper. I'm guessing that sign gets alot of use every year and after your name is printed on that paper once you make the effort to keep it off. I think people are making too big of a deal about this and his combine interview. The guy obviously wants to play football and as far as positive environments for defensive players go. Houston has to be ranked right up there near the top.
 
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Brandon420tx said:
It's obviously a motivational tool. For one thing the list of names is printed on a separate sheet of paper. I'm guessing that sign gets alot of use every year and after your name is printed on that paper once you make the effort to keep it off. I think people are making too big of a deal about this and his combine interview. The guy obviously wants to play football and as far as positive environments for defensive players go. Houston has to be ranked right up there near the top.
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I was about to say the exact same thing.
 
@MarkBermanFox26:

Texans reach contract agreement with OLB Sam Montgomery, second pick in the third round from LSU.
 
PDS ‏@PatDStat
Let the speculation begin on Montgomery.

Texans also placed Sam Montgomery on non-football injury list
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Typical reason for that is if a player gets hurt outside of playing football
 
Tania Ganguli of the Chronicle tweeted...

"#Texans didn't comment on Montgomery, but word is he reported out of shape. They hope to have him Friday."​
 
TexansRule1 said:
Tania Ganguli of the Chronicle tweeted...

"#Texans didn't comment on Montgomery, but word is he reported out of shape. They hope to have him Friday."​
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Hmm. Early indications are that this isn't someone we can bet on to be of much help, at least not immediately.
 
I've been backing the pick of Sam but its unacceptable to report to camp out of shape. He really needs to start figuring out what it means to be a Pro ASAP.
 
Surprised??

From a Combine interview:

“You know, some weeks when we didn’t have to play the harder teams, there were some times when effort was not needed,” he said.

“But when we had the big boys coming in — the Bamas or the South Carolinas — I grabbed close to those guys and went all-out.”

Montgomery had been showing up in the late first round of some mock drafts, but his stock could fall some after coaches find out he admitted to being kind of lazy on certain Saturdays.
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Sam Montgomery, Spencer Ware, Other LSU Football Players Called Out by Athletic Department to NFL Scouts for Laziness

Someone in the LSU athletic department has a cross to bare with ten LSU football players. There was a note left outside of the LSU athletic department offices that read: “Attention NFL Scouts: ‘The Following athletes miss workouts and always have an excuse. These men lack the self discipline and the motivation to take care of their responsibilities. I will not answer questions regarding their performance numbers or character as they care only about themselves.” The names listed were redshirt freshman offensive tackle Jonah Austin, sophomore guard La’el Collins, junior wide receiver James Wright, junior running back Spencer Ware, sophomore defensive tackle Anthony Johnson, sophomore safety Micah Eugene, freshman cornerback Dwayne Thomas, junior cornerback Tharold Simon, freshman linebacker Kwon Alexander and junior defensive end Sam Montgomery. Only Wright, Ware, Simon and Montgomery are NFL draft eligible.
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The above wasn't strictly for "motivation"..........it was for laziness.
 
I've met the guy and also have friends in the LSU football program, and they have assured me he does not have a work ethic issue. Rookies show up out of shape to camp all the time because they are not used to NFL standards. It's not like he sat on the couch eating cheetos all summer. Calm down people.
 
Brett said:
I've met the guy and also have friends in the LSU football program, and they have assured me he does not have a work ethic issue. Rookies show up out of shape to camp all the time because they are not used to NFL standards. It's not like he sat on the couch eating cheetos all summer. Calm down people.
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What? He couldn't FIND the Cheetos? :wadepalm:

Rookies may come to rookie orientation, minicamps and OTAs out of shape. But by the time TC comes around, they know exactly what is expected of them.

Maybe if Montgomery hasn't been able to understand NFL standards by now, he should have stayed at LSU and taken a couple more English courses.
 
It's going to be a long, hot August for Mr Montgomery. Plenty of time to shred it all away & build it back up with better nutrition, become the weight coach pet, haul the pads & equipment back/forth from lockers to field & back again. In fact I think we can safely say "it will not be a problem for him to reach playing weight condition" coming into camp with a bullseye on his back.:fingergun:
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
What? He couldn't FIND the Cheetos? :wadepalm:

Rookies may come to rookie orientation, minicamps and OTAs out of shape. But by the time TC comes around, they know exactly what is expected of them.

Maybe if Montgomery hasn't been able to understand NFL standards by now, he should have stayed at LSU and taken a couple more English courses.
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Jacoby Jones checked in "out of shape" and he sure was an active guy this off season. The guy didn't kill anyone, calm down.
 
Brett said:
Rookies show up out of shape to camp all the time because they are not used to NFL standards. It's not like he sat on the couch eating cheetos all summer.
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No, he was here for workouts begin on April 15, OTAs on May 20-21, 23 and 28-30 and June 3-6, and mandatory mini-camp from June 11-13. Showing up at this point unable to pass the conditioning test is akin to saying the dog ate my homework.

Word to the wise...this is not the group of players you want to be known as a part of.
 
TexansRule1 said:
Tania Ganguli of the Chronicle tweeted...

"#Texans didn't comment on Montgomery, but word is he reported out of shape. They hope to have him Friday."​
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At least he's consistent. That's kinda been a knock on him from day 1 and his collegiate time. Kubes will beat "learn to be a PRO" into him or he won't survive.
 
Brett said:
It's really not as big a deal as you are making it. This happens all the time, and he'll be back on Friday.
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I think we'll have to wait and see. Some guys just don't work out well, but they are still great players.

Some guys don't work out well, and they suck because of it.


You have to be in some level of shape to play football and if Montgomery wants to play for an NFL team he needs to be at whatever minimum level the team sets. Brandon Brooks got it...Now he needs to get it.

Although I've acknowledged that some guys play good whether they are built like a stone carving or like a twinkie, I'd rather have guys in tip top shape because I believe they will even further enhance their performance.

So while it might not be a big deal...It kind of is. This is his profession now. He's getting paid a lot to do this. This shouldn't be an afterthought for him. Staying in shape and not showing up ready to go is not getting off on the right foot.
 
I'd like a little more info on what "out of shape" meant.

Is this the Texans putting their thumb on a guy they think might be a problem? Nip it in the bud kinda thing?

Or has he been hitting the spam & rice a little too hard?
 
thunderkyss said:
I'd like a little more info on what "out of shape" meant.

Is this the Texans putting their thumb on a guy they think might be a problem? Nip it in the bud kinda thing?

Or has he been hitting the spam & rice a little too hard?
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I'm not sure if we know the exact reason as to why he was put on the NFI list. Speculation at this point.

And, eww on the spam
 
thunderkyss said:
I'd like a little more info on what "out of shape" meant.
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He was put on the non-football injury list. There's two possibilities for this:

1) He has a non-football related injury, or
2) He did not pass the team's conditioning test.

A conditioning test is typically a group of timed wind-sprints.
 
I hope its just a situation of his back keeping him from working out like he needed to over the summer. He's a very engaging guy and I want him to succeed. The thing is some guys just don't get it when it comes to preparation and keeping themselves in peak condition all the time. Andre comes off as the kind of guy who would never have a condition problem if you tested him at any point in the offseason. It would be nice to sit back 5 years from now and laugh at all the speculation, but none of us know what's going to happen or what drives this guy.
 
Texn4life said:
I hope its just a situation of his back keeping him from working out like he needed to over the summer. He's a very engaging guy and I want him to succeed. The thing is some guys just don't get it when it comes to preparation and keeping themselves in peak condition all the time. Andre comes off as the kind of guy who would never have a condition problem if you tested him at any point in the offseason. It would be nice to sit back 5 years from now and laugh at all the speculation, but none of us know what's going to happen or what drives this guy.
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If you remember, Montgomery originally came into rookie mini-camp "out of shape," then subsequently surfaced with the back problem. I would almost rather have heard that he was lazy, which may or may not be correctable, rather than find out for whatever reason he has developed a lingering back problem ala Shaun Cody............which could have been brought about by an initial "laziness."
 
Playoffs said:
He was put on the non-football injury list. There's two possibilities for this:

1) He has a non-football related injury, or
2) He did not pass the team's conditioning test.

A conditioning test is typically a group of timed wind-sprints.
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So we're most likely over reacting.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
If you remember, Montgomery originally came into rookie mini-camp "out of shape," then subsequently surfaced with the back problem. I would almost rather have heard that he was lazy, which may or may not be correctable, rather than find out for whatever reason he has developed a lingering back problem ala Shaun Cody............which could have been brought about by an initial "laziness."
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You're right and being a doctor I'm sure you know which would be the lesser of 2 evils in this case. Correct me if I'm wrong, but if its not a chronic issue and just a tweak that he suffered it should essentially be a non-issue moving forward right?
 
Texn4life said:
You're right and being a doctor I'm sure you know which would be the lesser of 2 evils in this case. Correct me if I'm wrong, but if its not a chronic issue and just a tweak that he suffered it should essentially be a non-issue moving forward right?
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Correct. However, the least bit of inattention to being totally in shape can cause, create chronicity of that problem, and promote progression to more serious back problems. Remember that many disc problems begin with weakened muscles meant to support the alignment of the vertebrae. Once misalignment occurs, not far behind come the serious disc problems. Muscles spasms should be considered equivalent to the canary in the coal mine. Keeping in shape is not an option for an NFL player that hopes to stay in one piece during an entire season. It's hard enough to do so when you put everything you have into it.
 
Playoffs said:
He was put on the non-football injury list. There's two possibilities for this:

1) He has a non-football related injury, or
2) He did not pass the team's conditioning test.

A conditioning test is typically a group of timed wind-sprints.
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On 610 SportsRadio they just said Texans do not have a conditioning test...
 
The Texans obviously take being in shape seriously. They just cut Harris for not being in shape. They publicized Brooks weight woes...And now this...

Shape up guys.
 
Rey said:
The Texans obviously take being in shape seriously. They just cut Harris for not being in shape. They publicized Brooks weight woes...And now this...

Shape up guys.
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Had me worried there for a minute... thought you were talking about Brandon Harris.

The Texans also made some other moves on Monday, releasing defensive tackle Ra'Shon "Sunny" Harris, who was injured this spring. They also placed rookie defensive end Earl Okine on the Active/Physically Unable to Perform List.
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Rey said:
The Texans obviously take being in shape seriously. They just cut Harris for not being in shape. They publicized Brooks weight woes...And now this...

Shape up guys.
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That triceps tear may have been the problem. It was never characterized as to tendon, muscle, musculo-tendinous, or tendon to bone tear........nor as to complete or partial. Most of the aforementioned tears can be expected to heal after rehab and after surgery both. But some, especially a significant percentage of those treated by rehab only fail and never regain pre-injury strength, or go on to re-injury or ultimately to surgery. There was no mention of Harris having undergone surgery following his tear. If he has had lingering problems with the triceps, upper body mass and strength would be very difficult to regain or maintain, accounting for an "out of shape" appearance. Furthermore, a nose tackle would be essentially worthless without being able to maintain strong triceps.
 
Hmm, dude better get his crap straight. The Kubiak doghouse lasts a long time

James Palmer ‏@JPalmerCSN 3m
Swearinger said he told Sam Montgomery to "step it up" after Sam landed on "the list" added that its disappointing.
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Then there's this...

Deepi Sidhu ‏@DeepSlant 4m
@JJWatt talked to Sam Montgomery. He has a lot of talent. "We'll get him right." #Texans
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Deepi Sidhu ‏@DeepSlant 4m
@JJWatt talked to Sam Montgomery. He has a lot of talent. "We'll get him right." #Texans
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Nobody's going to get him right. He's the only one that can do that. You would think that he would have done that by now.........but he hasn't. Indeed, very disappointing.
 
HOU-TEX said:
Hmm, dude better get his crap straight. The Kubiak doghouse lasts a long time
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I like that Swearinger is already comfortable telling guys to step up...

As far as Montgomery goes, this isn't a great sign. Sounds like he has some maturing to do.

It's not like the coaches checking to see if he's in good shape is a pop quiz.
 
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