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3rd round Sam Montgomery DE/OLB

After watching this interview, I can easily see him being naively honest in the combine interviews. As if he was playing poker with his cards lying face up. He lacks shrewdness.

But naivety is an indicator of being impressionable, which can be a good thing in the right environment. I don't think this guy will have work ethic issues. If you think so, watch this clip and tell me the guy is inclined to half-ass it on the field.
 
mariowillshine15 said:
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/shutdown-50-lsu-sam-montgomery-160419716--nfl.html

#38 on the Shutdown corner top 50.
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from the article...
Conclusion: Montgomery is more of an effort and multi-position cog in a defensive front than a transcendent pass-rusher, but I think he has the attributes that will lead to a relatively seamless level of production at the NFL level ... as long as his NFL team understands what he is and what he is not. His overall physical strength will allow him to exploit the league's trend to the every-gap player, and once he develops more consistent hand techniques, he'll be even better when it comes to extending his bull-rush. In addition, LSU's tendency to use its line to read and react gave a muddied picture of Montgomery's potential as an every-down pass-rusher -- but a far better window into his potential as the kind of defensive player who will do everything well.
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I think this is another case of drafting replacements. Hopkins was drafted to replace Walter and may eventually replace A.J. Swearinger may eventually replace Ed Reed. I feel that Montgomery will be groomed to replace Ninja.
 
Rey said:
I know one thing...I like him more than I like Merciless...
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From what I saw.. he has more strength, but Barwin beat him at everthing else, including pass rush moves, and was a WAY better OLBer prospect.

Sorry Ray, like another poster mentioned..What is your beef with Mercilus? I'll expect more from Mercilus with a year under his belt (what's with the hate) Hell , I'd take Braman over the loss of Barwin too. Montgomery is a high upside player, but he's not near as explosive off the edge ass the three mentioned above ( Barwin, Braman, or Merciles.)

Honestly with the way he plays it looks like he needs to add a couple of #s and keep his hand in the dirt if he ever wants to become a starter.
 
I watched him on youtube and seems like to me he is playing hard and not playing soft at all. Montgomery could be a steal of draft. Show us what you got this coming season Sam!
 
I'm hopeful that this pick turns out well. It certainly may. What concerns me, though, is the likelihood that the Texans front office did not do the research it needed to... I have a hard time believing that this organization knowingly selected a player on this list:

HERE

I just don't see it. I can believe that they asked him about his combine comments and were satisfied with his answer. Herring said, basically, that he's just foolish and likes to talk. I get that and don't have a problem with that conclusion. Frankly, with pick #95, I don't have a problem with the Texans taking a shot at a 1st round talent that has some discipline and work ethic issues to work on. What I do mind, though, is the possibility that the Texans were unaware of some of these concerns. If that's the case, they were either sloppy in preparation for the draft or they panicked during the draft process when a player(s) they targeted was selected ahead of them.

Unfortunately, I doubt anyone in the Houston Sports Media will pursue an answer from the Texans brass on their knowledge and reaction to the LSU Strength coach's accusation.
 
dalemurphy said:
I'm hopeful that this pick turns out well. It certainly may. What concerns me, though, is the likelihood that the Texans front office did not do the research it needed to... I have a hard time believing that this organization knowingly selected a player on this list:

HERE

I just don't see it. I can believe that they asked him about his combine comments and were satisfied with his answer. Herring said, basically, that he's just foolish and likes to talk. I get that and don't have a problem with that conclusion. Frankly, with pick #95, I don't have a problem with the Texans taking a shot at a 1st round talent that has some discipline and work ethic issues to work on. What I do mind, though, is the possibility that the Texans were unaware of some of these concerns. If that's the case, they were either sloppy in preparation for the draft or they panicked during the draft process when a player(s) they targeted was selected ahead of them.

Unfortunately, I doubt anyone in the Houston Sports Media will pursue an answer from the Texans brass on their knowledge and reaction to the LSU Strength coach's accusation.
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What gives you, or anyone, the impression that the Texans were unprepared and panicked? Even if someone they targeted was picked they do have their own big board. They didnt just draw a name from a hat.

I think Montgomery's personality is going to fit right in with Wade Phillips. And lets not forget he will be in a LB core that has Cushing in it.
 
The controversial Combine quote:
At the combine, Montgomery said he didn’t play all-out because weak opponents allowed for some respite.

“You know, some weeks when we didn't have to play the harder teams, there were some times when effort was not needed,” Montgomery said in Indianapolis. “But when we had the big boys coming in, the Bamas or the South Carolinas, I grabbed close to those guys and went all-out.

“Of course, this is a new league, the NFL, and there are no small teams, small divisions. It is all Alabamas and LSUs every week. It's definitely something I have to get adjusted to, but I'm sure with the right coaching I will be fine.”
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In a conference call with Houston media, Montgomery said his best quality is his relentlessness -- contradicting the idea that he didn’t give his all against teams like North Texas, Idaho and Towson.
 
dalemurphy said:
I'm hopeful that this pick turns out well. It certainly may. What concerns me, though, is the likelihood that the Texans front office did not do the research it needed to... I have a hard time believing that this organization knowingly selected a player on this list:

HERE

I just don't see it. I can believe that they asked him about his combine comments and were satisfied with his answer. Herring said, basically, that he's just foolish and likes to talk. I get that and don't have a problem with that conclusion. Frankly, with pick #95, I don't have a problem with the Texans taking a shot at a 1st round talent that has some discipline and work ethic issues to work on. What I do mind, though, is the possibility that the Texans were unaware of some of these concerns. If that's the case, they were either sloppy in preparation for the draft or they panicked during the draft process when a player(s) they targeted was selected ahead of them.

Unfortunately, I doubt anyone in the Houston Sports Media will pursue an answer from the Texans brass on their knowledge and reaction to the LSU Strength coach's accusation.
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For all of the faults oone can find with the Texans, i doubt its under preparation for the draft. while I don't find rick smith paraticularly innovative or engaging, nothing has ever been suggested that he wasn't thorough. when they have the overall drft press conference, i would like to hear his answers versus the LBer coaches 90 second drop in the bucket.
 
From that same article:

(on whether he saw any discrepancy in effort on Montgomery’s part in college) “No, actually he plays fast and he’s physical. I think if anything, the young man is guilty of being a little naive, and therefore the fact that he’s really an honest guy and tells you like it is and probably would tell you a lot more than he needs to tell you or open up and take all day talking to you. He’s a guy with a big personality and at the end of the day there’s not many players that would tell you something negative about themselves and not even know they’re doing it. And that’s just me talking to you right now. I’m probably trying to analyze what he told you at the combine or what you heard. He likes to talk.”
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Seems the Texans actually valued his honesty in the combine interviews, even if his honesty didn't paint a nice picture of himself.

I think the lackluster tenure of Connor Barwin, his Bulls on Parade shenanigans, the letter jackets, etc., maybe Wade and Rick decided that it was time to venture into more turbulent waters with draft picks.

The defense outside of Watt and Manning in the last month of 2012 was lacking killer instinct. Swearinger and Montgomery can hopefully raise the intensity level.

At least with Montgomery, he's openly admitting his lack of consistency. Something Connor Barwin was guilty of but you'd never hear him admit it.

Maybe honesty is the best policy.
 
Update on the strength coach's list:

Tommy Moffitt @TommyMoffitt
@ChaddScott The pic from office window is old news. These guys had all missed a class. Great kids and hard workers. #tigertough #LSU
8:22 AM - 29 Dec 2012
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Chadd Scott @ChaddScott
for AM crowd WOW! RT @ScarboroughMike: window of LSU Strength coach @TommyMoffitt office in weight room. pic.twitter.com/FDSgytOS
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So not as bad as it looked.
 
ObsiWan said:
from the article...


I think this is another case of drafting replacements. Hopkins was drafted to replace Walter and may eventually replace A.J. Swearinger may eventually replace Ed Reed. I feel that Montgomery will be groomed to replace Ninja.
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I think he is too small to replace ninja on the dl unless they can bulk him up. LB seems like the place for Montgomery.
 
Idk our cap situation but Lloyd still being a free agent he would most likely take less money for a one year contract. We have Johnson and now Hopkins but If we added Lloyd we would have one of the best offenses next year. I been waiting to hear it happen but is there a reason why it hasn't? It would be a huge pickup and I think could lead to a Championship.
 
Playoffs said:
Update on the strength coach's list:

Tommy Moffitt @TommyMoffitt


Chadd Scott @ChaddScott


So not as bad as it looked.
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It's important to consider Moffitt's comments on that picture. While he could just be back-peddling, it seems likely that it was just a motivation tactic. No college program is going to nuke a kids' NFL future because the kid missed some weight training sessions. The damage to the reputation of the program would severely affect recruiting.
 
Brisco_County said:
It's important to consider Moffitt's comments on that picture. While he could just be back-peddling, it seems likely that it was just a motivation tactic. No college program is going to nuke a kids' NFL future because the kid missed some weight training sessions. The damage to the reputation of the program would severely affect recruiting.
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Yep ... dude would be fired for affecting recruits .
 
Fyler said:
Idk our cap situation but Lloyd still being a free agent he would most likely take less money for a one year contract. We have Johnson and now Hopkins but If we added Lloyd we would have one of the best offenses next year. I been waiting to hear it happen but is there a reason why it hasn't? It would be a huge pickup and I think could lead to a Championship.
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Wrong section next time post in NFL section. As far as Lloyd he has been debated here quite offen. Texans will bring in a vet WR or two before training camp and see who sticks. Lloyd may be out of HOU price range,
 
ObsiWan said:
from the article...


I think this is another case of drafting replacements. Hopkins was drafted to replace Walter and may eventually replace A.J. Swearinger may eventually replace Ed Reed. I feel that Montgomery will be groomed to replace Ninja.
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I think you're right but you're wrong. I think Montgomery replaces Barwin.
 
One of the main problems Montgomery is gonna have as a Texan is finding another jersey number. JJ MEGAWATT isn't coming off of that #99!

Other than that I think it could end up being a great pick but as always we'll all have to wait a while to see.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
I think you're right but you're wrong. I think Montgomery replaces Barwin.
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Nah. I think Herring is throwing us a red herring.

He says they're going to put Montgomery at OLB and see what happens, but I think he belongs as a bookend to JJ Watt. Antonio Smith disappeared in December, he was part of the problem with the death spiral we had across the board. A lot of fans will argue it, because of his popularity and persona, but he has to play a bigger GAME CHANGING ROLE than he has. He's getting tackles, he's getting pressures, but every year that ticks off is a year closer to his retirement. That's why Montgomery makes sense.

So, sure, Montgomery starts out at OLB...but he will be the successor to the Antonio Smith throne. I don't know what savings we could get from cutting Smith now, or cutting him next season, but if that frees up cap space...the Texans have no problem moving onward from Antonio Smith, and Montgomery--to me, from what I see--is a DL guy, not an OLB. Yes, we've used a bigger guy (Barwin) as an OLB, but I think Antonio's age, cap situation, and lack of consistency has urged the Texans to draft his successor. They cut Eric Winston, they can cut Antonio Smith too if they want to.

To not make waves with a veteran like Antonio Smith, who runs his mouth like crazy, you will say things such as "Montgomery will be an OLB," when you know full well that those plans are just that: Plans.

The more a coach talks about how he's going to use the new rookie, the more I tend to slough it off as coach speak. Wade said he was going to get Mercilus on the field in unique ways, and I don't think they did it to the extent they should have. Hopefully the lackluster 2012 performance will spur Wade and Herring And Joseph to let Montgomery and Swearinger see the field as much as possible. If they get hurt, they get hurt...you draft more next year. If they don't pan out, you want to know NOW...so that you can draft it again the next year.

I like the picks of Hopkins and Montgomery and Swearinger, but I am iffy on whether this team can utilize them like top draft picks should be utilized. Look, you drafted them in the highest tier of the draft, so USE THEM! Please.
 
This is a great pick! Mongo is first round talent. Yea he admitted taking off plays and games, but he is very honest and kinda a different personality. You can't blame him taking off games against towson and Idaho, he had a bad knee injury and why get hurt in a meaningless game.

In big games he showed up big time! 2 sacks against bama one in OT that sealed te game in 2011

2 sacks against south Carolina this year

Sack this year against bama

Sack in the sec champion game against Georgia

In the peach bowl this year, he crawled on the ground to sack taj Boyd. On a 3rd down that shouldve won the game if Eric Reid wouldn't have taken another bad angle on the 4th down.

Needless to say he is very emotional and determined when he is playing.

Hes a very high character guy, he is big into sonic the hedgehog because that was his brothers favorite game that passed away
 
Playoffs said:
The controversial Combine quote:

In a conference call with Houston media, Montgomery said his best quality is his relentlessness -- contradicting the idea that he didn’t give his all against teams like North Texas, Idaho and Towson.
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Idaho is a powerhouse, you just can't let up for a moment agaisnt those monsters of the Northern Rockies.
OK, but I'm still trying to figure out what this guy did or even said that's so controversial ? He's a bit of a joker with an off-of-the-wall sense of humor, but beyond that what's the problem ?
 
His physical makeup reminds me of Mario. Seems to have more fire based on the videos I've seen though.
 
Texn4life said:
Not to mention he won't be asked to play every down. When he does get his chances I'm sure he'll be going balls to the wall.
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I think the biggest difference between now & 2006, is that we are positioned to do something special... win a championship.

Ballers want to be part of that. A big part. If he's a baller, we'll find out. If not... we'll find that out as well.

What I like about this draft, so far, is that we don't need Montgomery to be a baller. We need either Montgomery, Mercilus, Trevardo, Brahman, or Brooks to be a baller. & they'll all get their chance.
 
This worries me when one of your coaches goes out of his way to put you on blast to the NFL. Hopefully he matures.

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Well, Montgomery is OUR guy now. So I'm going to wait and see, but I have a feeling this will be nothing in the grand scheme of things.

Mario Williams and David Carr were workout and training camp warriors, and when it came to Sundays they were not exactly all that dominating of their opponents.

I have seen Montgomery's highlights, and he has a high motor. If THAT is taking plays off, then I'll take his brand of effort.
 
Got to look at the bright side. At least he has never been arrested for anything and he has never been suspended from LSU for any thing.
 
I've read stuff on this kid both good and bad, so for the time being I'm just going to be watchful of him. My misgivings about him don't seem to go away though. Maybe the other players and our coaches can turn him away from the Dark Side.
 
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