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3rd round Sam Montgomery DE/OLB

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Well, somebody not from a Carolina

Edit....he went to high school with Swearinger
 
Mayok said he fell due to his interviews. Some teams took him off the board. But physically, he's a solid 2nd round grade. The team just needs to "keep him on track."
 
Mayock said teams took him off their draft board because they didn't like his "profile" ... didn't like what the kid was all about, in his words. Any idea what the heck he's talking about?
 
From Walterfootball:
Montgomery didn't stand out at either the Combine or his pro day. There are a lot of concerns about his work ethic. Montgomery admitted to taking plays and entire games off. Some teams feel that he is lazy, so he could fall to the third day of the draft.
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Definitely don't like to hear that.
 
"Now that's really interesting pick. He's a guy who on tape is a solid, solid second-round pick. But a lot of teams didn't like his interview process. Teams didn't like his profile as far as who the kid was and what he was all about. They weren't sure he was focused on football, and a lot of teams quite frankly took him off the board. From a football perspective, the Texans just got a steal." -- Mike Mayock
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Sounds like a guy with a VY mindset. That usually doesn't end well.
 
LonerATO said:
Does this mean Reed could end up at ILB?
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Brisco_County said:
I'm starting to believe that now. We're not drafting a starter in the 4th, and we don't have the cap space for another FA.
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I dont think so - They only had Reed , Mercilus and Braman on the roster at OLB prior to this selection.


Still quite a few ILBers on the board who could start from day one: AJ Klien , Nico Johnson , Kevin Reddick and a couple OLB's who probably translate better to ILB on the pro level - Khaseem Greene , Chase Thomas & Sean Porter.


I like Klien the most as he has the coverage skills to deal with the TE's and RB's leaving Cushing to be that 5th rusher on most occasions.
 
Goatcheese said:
Sounds like a guy with a VY mindset. That usually doesn't end well.
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Except for this:

Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter 45s
Like this... RT @BlakeDickey2: DJ Swearinger and Sam Montgomery were on same high school team and are now reunited in NFL.
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We drafted his HS team mate in the 2nd round. Motivation?
 
9. SAM MONTGOMERY | LSU 6032|262 lbs|4JR Greenwood, SC (Greenwood HS) 5/25/1990 (age 22) #99

2012: (13/10) 37/13.0/8.0/2 PROJECTION: 3rd Round
2011: (14/11) 49/13.5/9.0/1 MEASUREABLES: 6032 | 262 | 33 7-8” | 9 1-4" | 79 3-4”
2010: (5/5) 18/6.0/2.0/0 COMBINE: 4.81 40-YD DASH | 1.69 10-YD | 34.5” V | 9-6 BJ | 7.18 3C | 4.51 SS
2009: Redshirted

STRENGTHS: Rangy, long-striding athlete with a quick first step out of his stance…stronger than he looks and is at his best when he can punch and get to the body of blockers…has done a nice job filling out his frame and adding 30+ pounds since HS…not shy about using his hands and uses his eyes to track the ball while hung up on blocks…extremely hungry, intense and relentless, never giving up and always fighting through the whistle…good starting experience in the SEC and sack production.

WEAKNESSES: Needs to improve his snap anticipation, too often the last lineman off the ball…plays a little tight and doesn’t easily redirect in a flash…needs to stay balanced through contact and better anticipate blocks and use leverage…lacks elite power, which shows when engaged and needs to develop his strength and hand technique…needs to develop his secondary moves and a more creative repertoire…ACL surgery in Oct. 2010…concerns with work ethic and off-field practice habits.

SUMMARY: More productive pass rusher than teammate Barkevious Mingo, but not the same type of athlete plus strong questions about how hard he will work at the next level…on-field effort isn’t a question, showing intensity on just about every snap…needs to focus more on the fundamentals to develop better get-off anticipation and hand use to shed blocks…not the most fluid athlete and has a few red flags, but he has the tools and on-field motor to make plays in the backfield.
 
not the first or last player to have a questionable motor. he was a little too honest about it, but lots of players that people drool over have done the same without actually saying it. good pick.
 
Don't like the pick but there is one thing I have noticed. The Texans are drafting guys who play physical (Hopkins) or with a nasty predisposition (everyone else). From what I have seen when Montgomery is motivated he is a solid player and possesses a nasty streak. The Texans are not drafting nice guys in 2013.
 
"You know, some weeks when we didn't have to play the harder teams, there were some times when effort was not needed," he said. "But when we had the big boys coming in, the Bamas or the South Carolinas, I grabbed close to those guys and went all out. Of course, this is a new league, the NFL and there are no small teams, small divisions, it is all Alabamas and LSUs every week. It's definitely something I have to get adjusted to, but I'm sure with the right coaching I will be fine."
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/shutdown-50-lsu-sam-montgomery-160419716--nfl.html
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OK this guy is easily the most intriguing prospect the Texans have drafted this year, so far atleast. I've seen him graded first and second round, but he's dropped quite a lot because of a curious attitude (too much candor maybe ?).
I think this is more of Wades' influence, because he's able to get some players thru McNairs watchful eyes that probably couldn't have made it before the DCs arrival. I like this pick - definitely risky, but upside for sure
and yet it's practically a 4th round pick, so not a huge investment by the Texans.
 
Trap_Star said:
not the first or last player to have a questionable motor. he was a little too honest about it, but lots of players that people drool over have done the same without actually saying it. good pick.
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I try not to put on my tin foil hat too often, but when I read that he admitted taking plays off during interviews, my first reaction was that he only said that to teams he didn't want to play for.
I think the dude might be a closet genius.
 
I'm sure Cush and Watt will make sure he doesn't take any plays off. Not to mention Reed and Manning. I'm not worried about this guys work ethic with those guys pushing him.
 
michaelm said:
I try not to put on my tin foil hat too often, but when I read that he admitted taking plays off during interviews, my first reaction was that he only said that to teams he didn't want to play for.
I think the dude might be a closet genius.
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I would consider him a damn fool to throw away money like that. I'm intrigued by the pick and his comments honestly don't scare me, but I doubt he would risk losing hundreds of thosands of dollars on purpose.
 
DocBar said:
I'm sure Cush and Watt will make sure he doesn't take any plays off. Not to mention Reed and Manning. I'm not worried about this guys work ethic with those guys pushing him.
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Not to mention he won't be asked to play every down. When he does get his chances I'm sure he'll be going balls to the wall.
 
maybe, finally Texans have enough moral fiber & Pro Bowl players to warrent taking some risks on talented players that just need proper leadership :swatter:
 
beerlover said:
maybe, finally Texans have enough moral fiber & Pro Bowl players to warrent taking some risks on talented players that just need proper leadership :swatter:
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Why doe it require moral fiber to take risky picks? That makes no sense. Besides the point that Montgomery doesn't really have character concerns. The combine press conference is overblown.
 
SW H-TOWN said:
Don't like the pick but there is one thing I have noticed. The Texans are drafting guys who play physical (Hopkins) or with a nasty predisposition (everyone else). From what I have seen when Montgomery is motivated he is a solid player and possesses a nasty streak. The Texans are not drafting nice guys in 2013.
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Perhaps, NASTY is a key word for 2013 Texans' draft. I like NASTY D!
 
There was an article that was posted here, written by Jerry Angelo. It was called "The Importance of Football Character".

Before we go further, let’s first define “football character.” Football character entails a player’s work ethic, competitive nature, threshold for pain, football IQ, overall passion for game and level of play within these characteristics.

At the college level, a gifted player can dominate with his talent alone regardless of his lack of football character. When the player gets to the next level, it tends to catch up to him. Rarely does a player have a long career in the National Football League without football character since he can no longer mask those flaws with his talent as he once did in college.

Football character is the glue that allows players to establish themselves and create the needed staying power when their talent starts to erode. It allows them to continue to play well past their prime. The exceptions are so rare that you almost can’t even categorize them as aberrations - they’re that rare. It might surprise you to find out that most busts have more to do with a players lack of character than talent.
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While both “citizenship” and “football character” are important to his future success as a football player, I would say that the latter carries more importance. That’s the reason I would always say “we’re not looking for boy scouts” because our jobs are to win football games. We weren’t hired to serve the community. That’s not to say a player’s citizenship isn’t important because I feel like it is very important. I’m just saying that football character is more important.

In the end, you’re much better off drafting players who have talent with a strong history of practice and games started, than a player with elite talent, that can’t be counted on.
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On the other side of football character, we drafted a LB out of the midwest with a high first round draft pick. He was a hold out and got paid substantial money. Between partying, buying new cars and water toys, we rarely saw any of the type of play we had seen in college. He couldn't learn his assignments and couldn't be trusted to play every down. The player was late for meetings, fined repeatedly and it went on and on. It was one bad thing after another. If it weren't for drafting him in the 1st round we would have cut him after his rookie year.
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I'd be lying if I said I don't have concerns.
 
@LanceZierlein Source told me "there is no way that the Texans have all the info on Sam Montgomery.... even WE took him off the board." Yikes.
 
Lucky said:
Why doe it require moral fiber to take risky picks? That makes no sense. Besides the point that Montgomery doesn't really have character concerns. The combine press conference is overblown.
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Honestly, he did the football equal of the kids who come home with a "b" in a class because they barely had to study, ignoring the fact that if they had even put in moderate consistent and proper study they would have made an easy "A"
 
His answer to character concerns:

So what does he make of those who say he comes with character concerns?

"I've never been in trouble with the police," he said. "I've never done anything outrageous or anything like that. It's just that I have a different way of looking at things. That's all. ... You have to have a little integrity."

Montgomery said he tells teams that he's active in the community and has an appreciation for everything. He's actually hosting an event on April 24 -- the day before the draft begins -- for his hometown of Greenwood, S.C. called "Unity in the Community with Sam Montgomery." He'll give a speech to children about the importance of being active and hard work. There will be games for children to compete in. He'll also sign autographs and host a cookout.

The goal is to show Greenwood "that I actually love my city with passion and care," Montgomery said. "They are a main part of my success."

At the combine, Montgomery said that he was leaving early "due to family conditions." Montgomery's mother recently underwent hip surgery.
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Link.
 
eriadoc said:
There was an article that was posted here, written by Jerry Angelo. It was called "The Importance of Football Character".







I'd be lying if I said I don't have concerns.
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That sounds a whole lot like Mario Williams. Supreme talent but lazy ass character. Or David Carr for that matter. If Montgomery ends up like this, at least the Texans only wasted a 3rd pick rather than the #1 overall. I say that while acknowledging the opinion that he was probably the best pick the Texans could've made at #1 in the '06 draft.

Coming in as a 3rd round pick will (hopefully) be humbling for the man. Watching such players as Watt and Cush go through their conditioning programs and seeing their dedication to film study and how they go about their business as a pro, will hopefully open his eyes as to what needs to happen to be successful at the NFL level. If he gets his act together and buys into what Watt and Cush preach, he could be a monster. If he doesn't, he's a washout 3rd rounder in a couple of years. Won't be anywhere near the 1st or the last.
 
Rey said:
I know one thing...I like him more than I like Merciless...
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lol I am going to go crazy if I see you bash MERCILUS not Merciless one more time. You have done nothing but ride the guy since he was drafted. It is almost scary to be honest with you. The guy was a fantastic player in college, though raw, and still came up with six sacks as a reserve last year. I hope he makes you eat a huge plate of crow.
 
DocBar said:
That sounds a whole lot like Mario Williams. Supreme talent but lazy ass character. Or David Carr for that matter. If Montgomery ends up like this, at least the Texans only wasted a 3rd pick rather than the #1 overall. I say that while acknowledging the opinion that he was probably the best pick the Texans could've made at #1 in the '06 draft.

Coming in as a 3rd round pick will (hopefully) be humbling for the man. Watching such players as Watt and Cush go through their conditioning programs and seeing their dedication to film study and how they go about their business as a pro, will hopefully open his eyes as to what needs to happen to be successful at the NFL level. If he gets his act together and buys into what Watt and Cush preach, he could be a monster. If he doesn't, he's a washout 3rd rounder in a couple of years. Won't be anywhere near the 1st or the last.
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Actually he seems to be the opposite of Mario. He would disappear against good teams and rack up numbers against inferior talent, lol.
 
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