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2024 TRAINING CAMP DISCUSSION THREAD

Lucky said:
I'd rather see Dell lead block on the goal line than have him return kickoffs. I don't think there's anything more overblown this offseason than the new kickoff rules. It's only a matter of time (a month?) when teams go back to kicking the ball out of the end zone. Unless you can get a special teamer a shot at a guy like Tank Dell. Hopefully, Ryans does not let this happen.
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Then the receiving team will get the ball at the 30 yard line - great field position. I would take that every time. I'm not of fan Dell returning kicks either.
 
When I read the new rules I was surprised they did not move the kickoff spot back to the 30 yard line like it was from 1994 to 2011. It seems they really don't want that many returns.
 
mws said:
When I read the new rules I was surprised they did not move the kickoff spot back to the 30 yard line like it was from 1994 to 2011. It seems they really don't want that many returns.
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So incredibly dumb. But hey who needs exciting plays that cause variance in games?

Gimme that cookie cutter through the uprights start at the 20 ****! Mmmm mmm!
 
In the Harris Hits posted yesterday at the Texans TC he posted a picture of WAJ walking onto the field with pads on. With pads he definitely looks bigger especially from the butt down. I’m guessing he’s handling the weight gain well but come to think of it in several daily Harris Hits posts I can’t remember Harris calling him out yet 🍔 🍕 🍟 🤔 ?
 

Suh is still a FA :thinking:​


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HOUSTON CHRONICLE ​

How Texans guard Kenyon Green was revitalized by offseason training in Oregon with Ndamukong Suh​

By Jon Poorman,Staff writerJuly 24, 2024


The natural beauty and serenity of the Pacific Northwest came calling for Kenyon Green during a critical offseason for the Texans’ third-year guard.

So, too, did former All-Pro defensive tackle Ndamukong Suh.

Green, the Texans’ second first-round draft pick in 2022, missed the entirety of his second NFL season last year with a lingering shoulder injury that ultimately required surgery. He was relegated to rehab while his Houston teammates enjoyed a successful breakthrough campaign without him.

Following the season, Green packed his bags and jumped on a plane to Portland, Ore. He needed to get away. It was there he linked up with Suh, a Portland native who’s played 13 years in the league. Through his family, Green said he made the connection with Suh.


While in Portland, Green trained with Suh. He enjoyed some sight-seeing. He even ventured west to the coast for some beach time. Green spent about a month and a half giving himself a much-needed reset so that he could be ready and performing at his peak for the Texans when training camp rolled around.

“Definitely got me here in a great mindset, and I’m just ready to work and ready to help my team in any fashion I can,” said Green, an Atascocita High School graduate and Texas A&M All-American. “I’m just taking it day by day, focusing on the detailed things so I can be out here healthy and contribute to my team and compete.”
Suh, who’s currently a free agent, played eight games with the Eagles last season and is still chasing a second Super Bowl ring before he calls it quits.

The 37-year-old is a walking juxtaposition for Green, who’s really just getting his career started. But that’s part of why working with Suh was beneficial for Green, whom the Texans are hoping can emerge as a long-term protector for star quarterback C.J. Stroud. During his time with Suh, he was able to gain some valuable wisdom about the game he’s gone a whole year without playing.


“Great hospitality, and he showed me a great time,” Green said. “I learned a lot and got a lot of work in. … It was something different, learning from a defensive mindset and him just showing me different things that I need to pinpoint and focus on.”
Green has achieved all the offseason goals he set for himself, including a physical transformation that has him down to 315 pounds and moving with an athleticism that he did not possess as a rookie.

Before his injury, Green was looking to rebound from a debut season in which he struggled at times while playing for a dismal 3-13-1 team not yet infused with the promise Stroud brought with him. According to his overall grading from Pro Football Focus, Green ranked last among the 47 guards who played at least 800 snaps in 2022. He allowed 47 pressures, fourth-most among that same group of players.

But now, fully healthy, he’s finally got a chance to reward the Texans for holding steadfast in their faith for what he can still become.

“He’s definitely in the best shape that he’s been in since he’s been in the NFL,” Texans offensive line coach Chris Strausser said.

“He’s definitely in the best shape that he’s been in since he’s been in the NFL,” Texans offensive line coach Chris Strausser said. “I think he’s taken a next level of pride in everything he’s doing. It’s going to be great for his life moving forward, but it also helps him as a football player, and this is the best football he’s played, so I’m really happy with what he’s done in the offseason.”


Kenyon Green had his No. 55 retired by Atascocita High School months after the Texans drafted him in the spring of 2022.

Texans head coach DeMeco Ryans has praised Green for his commitment to working on himself and being available to help the team. Now that training camp is underway, he’s been pleased with what Green has put on display.

“Kenyon is available, so that’s going to continue to allow him to grow and become a better player because he’s done a great job in the offseason of working out, being attentive to all the details that the coaches have asked him to take care of — he’s been on it,” Ryans said. “That just gives him a chance, and Keyon has the right mindset, and he’s working hard, and he’s working the proper way, so I’m excited to see how he continues to grow once we get pads on and once we play in games.”
Green’s teammates are taking notice as well. Right tackle Tytus Howard said he’s been in a similar situation as Green, struggling to find his place on the Texans as a young first-round pick with lofty expectations set for him.

As Howard pointed out Tuesday, Green is young and still has plenty of room for growth. He’s still only 23 years old, the eighth-youngest player on Houston’s 90-man roster behind four of this year’s rookies, Stroud, Will Anderson Jr. and Derek Stingley Jr.


“Kenyon’s matured a lot,” Howard said. “He’s put in a lot of work. His body is in the best position he’s been in, his mind is in the best position he’s been in, and he’s very confident in his ability. He’s put it all together. He’s been out here putting some good stuff on the field for these first couple days of camp. I’m excited to see him grow.”

Kenyon’s father, Henry Green, was at practice Monday, proudly watching his son run through the gambit of position drills and take reps at left guard. Family support has been key throughout the process for the young man who grew up in the Houston area and developed into a blue-chip recruit playing high school football just 30 miles from NRG Stadium.

“It’s a work in progress,” Henry Green said. “His mental is straight, he’s got his body physically right, and he’s out there doing what he loves doing. It was important for him to know that, OK, he was injured, but he can fight back. He has that fight in him. He’s going out there, and he’s doing exactly what he was meant to do. When God’s got a plan, no man can step in front of Him.”
 
CloakNNNdagger said:

Suh is still a FA :thinking:​


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HOUSTON CHRONICLE ​

How Texans guard Kenyon Green was revitalized by offseason training in Oregon with Ndamukong Suh​

By Jon Poorman,Staff writerJuly 24, 2024


The natural beauty and serenity of the Pacific Northwest came calling for Kenyon Green during a critical offseason for the Texans’ third-year guard.

So, too, did former All-Pro defensive tackle Ndamukong Suh.

Green, the Texans’ second first-round draft pick in 2022, missed the entirety of his second NFL season last year with a lingering shoulder injury that ultimately required surgery. He was relegated to rehab while his Houston teammates enjoyed a successful breakthrough campaign without him.

Following the season, Green packed his bags and jumped on a plane to Portland, Ore. He needed to get away. It was there he linked up with Suh, a Portland native who’s played 13 years in the league. Through his family, Green said he made the connection with Suh.


While in Portland, Green trained with Suh. He enjoyed some sight-seeing. He even ventured west to the coast for some beach time. Green spent about a month and a half giving himself a much-needed reset so that he could be ready and performing at his peak for the Texans when training camp rolled around.

“Definitely got me here in a great mindset, and I’m just ready to work and ready to help my team in any fashion I can,” said Green, an Atascocita High School graduate and Texas A&M All-American. “I’m just taking it day by day, focusing on the detailed things so I can be out here healthy and contribute to my team and compete.”
Suh, who’s currently a free agent, played eight games with the Eagles last season and is still chasing a second Super Bowl ring before he calls it quits.

The 37-year-old is a walking juxtaposition for Green, who’s really just getting his career started. But that’s part of why working with Suh was beneficial for Green, whom the Texans are hoping can emerge as a long-term protector for star quarterback C.J. Stroud. During his time with Suh, he was able to gain some valuable wisdom about the game he’s gone a whole year without playing.


“Great hospitality, and he showed me a great time,” Green said. “I learned a lot and got a lot of work in. … It was something different, learning from a defensive mindset and him just showing me different things that I need to pinpoint and focus on.”
Green has achieved all the offseason goals he set for himself, including a physical transformation that has him down to 315 pounds and moving with an athleticism that he did not possess as a rookie.

Before his injury, Green was looking to rebound from a debut season in which he struggled at times while playing for a dismal 3-13-1 team not yet infused with the promise Stroud brought with him. According to his overall grading from Pro Football Focus, Green ranked last among the 47 guards who played at least 800 snaps in 2022. He allowed 47 pressures, fourth-most among that same group of players.

But now, fully healthy, he’s finally got a chance to reward the Texans for holding steadfast in their faith for what he can still become.

“He’s definitely in the best shape that he’s been in since he’s been in the NFL,” Texans offensive line coach Chris Strausser said.

“He’s definitely in the best shape that he’s been in since he’s been in the NFL,” Texans offensive line coach Chris Strausser said. “I think he’s taken a next level of pride in everything he’s doing. It’s going to be great for his life moving forward, but it also helps him as a football player, and this is the best football he’s played, so I’m really happy with what he’s done in the offseason.”


Kenyon Green had his No. 55 retired by Atascocita High School months after the Texans drafted him in the spring of 2022.

Texans head coach DeMeco Ryans has praised Green for his commitment to working on himself and being available to help the team. Now that training camp is underway, he’s been pleased with what Green has put on display.

“Kenyon is available, so that’s going to continue to allow him to grow and become a better player because he’s done a great job in the offseason of working out, being attentive to all the details that the coaches have asked him to take care of — he’s been on it,” Ryans said. “That just gives him a chance, and Keyon has the right mindset, and he’s working hard, and he’s working the proper way, so I’m excited to see how he continues to grow once we get pads on and once we play in games.”
Green’s teammates are taking notice as well. Right tackle Tytus Howard said he’s been in a similar situation as Green, struggling to find his place on the Texans as a young first-round pick with lofty expectations set for him.

As Howard pointed out Tuesday, Green is young and still has plenty of room for growth. He’s still only 23 years old, the eighth-youngest player on Houston’s 90-man roster behind four of this year’s rookies, Stroud, Will Anderson Jr. and Derek Stingley Jr.


“Kenyon’s matured a lot,” Howard said. “He’s put in a lot of work. His body is in the best position he’s been in, his mind is in the best position he’s been in, and he’s very confident in his ability. He’s put it all together. He’s been out here putting some good stuff on the field for these first couple days of camp. I’m excited to see him grow.”

Kenyon’s father, Henry Green, was at practice Monday, proudly watching his son run through the gambit of position drills and take reps at left guard. Family support has been key throughout the process for the young man who grew up in the Houston area and developed into a blue-chip recruit playing high school football just 30 miles from NRG Stadium.

“It’s a work in progress,” Henry Green said. “His mental is straight, he’s got his body physically right, and he’s out there doing what he loves doing. It was important for him to know that, OK, he was injured, but he can fight back. He has that fight in him. He’s going out there, and he’s doing exactly what he was meant to do. When God’s got a plan, no man can step in front of Him.”
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315 lbs. Now, if he can play at that weight. He dominated before, for one, because of his size. At 315 he's no bigger than the norm.
 
JB said:
Howard is locked in for at least the next two years by salary cap. Heck is gone if everyone healthy this year though
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That's not functionally true to my knowledge.

According to overthecap (and they're quite good for these things) Howard could be cut next season with a post June 1st designation and save the team 14.2 million with only a 8.875 deadcap hit.

Howard is locked in for this season, but his contract is far from being an albatross. I also think people forget post June 1st cuts is a cost saving tool and forget to check those numbers. As his pre June 1st numbers would only save the team under $2 mil.
 
Lucky said:
Not interested in seeing starters on kickoff returns.
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I think teams are beginning to look at the new rules as being the first play on offense.

It's taking a lot of the high speed collisions out of the game, so I don't see putting starters in as having the high amount of risk as was previously associated with it. Some risk for sure, but if that level was a deterrent then you shouldn't be playing football.
 
Sweech said:
I think teams are beginning to look at the new rules as being the first play on offense.

It's taking a lot of the high speed collisions out of the game, so I don't see putting starters in as having the high amount of risk as was previously associated with it. Some risk for sure, but if that level was a deterrent then you shouldn't be playing football.
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No offense, but we haven’t had a preseason game, yet. We are clueless how teams will handle this. It will take time. But rest assured if we have an injury to a key player, everyone will go back to turtling on kickoffs again.
 
Mollywhopper said:
He's also no smaller than he was when he was dominant..
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................Except:

Keep in mind that following the left pec and labrum repair, that left shoulder is still questionable. And this is not to mention his significant significant knee issues.

CloakNNNdagger said:
I've been posting on his injuries forever. His knee, his pec and his shoulder. At this point, when you are assessing a player with a history of left pec followed by a left labrum injury, you take into consideration what position they play. An offensive lineman with these injuries is extremely unlikely to be able to conservatively rehab without re-injury and without extending the damage. The team physician is the one that should know that. He, not the player nor the coach or GM are expected to have that knowledge and act upon it. Of course, today with NFL team doctors paying significant monies for the privilege of their position, they too often seem to veer from their ethical duties to the patient/player...........ultimately being influenced in their medical decisions by their business relationship to the team.

At the time of the pec injury last year, there was already associated concern with his labrum. To begin with, the pec injury typically results in weakening of the shoulder to some extent. This was further aggravated by being put back at LG using his outstretched left arm to hold back the D (the same mechanism for his pec injury). Surgery was always going to ultimately be necessary for him to practice his trade.

I will take it a step further. I've previously emphasized that Green was never a quick, light on his feet player. Add to that 2 meniscus excisions (not repairs) leaving him well on his way to future microfracture surgery, his ability to move quickly and square off with a defender on his left is definitely even more strongly compromised................with him frequently having to compensate by holding his opponent back with an outstretched arm...........putting all of the weight and leverage of his opponent on his arm............placing him in a perfect position for his arm/shoulder to be torqued backwards resulting in serious shoulder injury.

Whoever participated in the decision for him to rehab then practice/play before addressing his problem surgically was wrong. Saying it was wrong is not a 20/20 hindsight, it should have been a 20/20 foresight.
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Mollywhopper said:
He's also no smaller than he was when he was dominant..
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I would like to know how much he's benching, how much he's squatting, how far and high he's jumping ! He's been paid a lot of money for no contribution .... it's not unfair to ask for specifics.
 
justmy2cents said:
I would like to know how much he's benching, how much he's squatting, how far and high he's jumping ! He's been paid a lot of money for no contribution .... it's not unfair to ask for specifics.
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Just to be clear, I'm not advocating at all that the Texans go after Suh. I don't know what he's got left, if anything at all.

My comment was just to clarify that he was never the enormous space-eater, Wilfork-esque type of DT that was seemingly alluded to above.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:

Suh is still a FA :thinking:​


**********************************************************************************************************​


HOUSTON CHRONICLE ​

How Texans guard Kenyon Green was revitalized by offseason training in Oregon with Ndamukong Suh​

By Jon Poorman,Staff writerJuly 24, 2024


The natural beauty and serenity of the Pacific Northwest came calling for Kenyon Green during a critical offseason for the Texans’ third-year guard.

So, too, did former All-Pro defensive tackle Ndamukong Suh.

Green, the Texans’ second first-round draft pick in 2022, missed the entirety of his second NFL season last year with a lingering shoulder injury that ultimately required surgery. He was relegated to rehab while his Houston teammates enjoyed a successful breakthrough campaign without him.

Following the season, Green packed his bags and jumped on a plane to Portland, Ore. He needed to get away. It was there he linked up with Suh, a Portland native who’s played 13 years in the league. Through his family, Green said he made the connection with Suh.


While in Portland, Green trained with Suh. He enjoyed some sight-seeing. He even ventured west to the coast for some beach time. Green spent about a month and a half giving himself a much-needed reset so that he could be ready and performing at his peak for the Texans when training camp rolled around.

“Definitely got me here in a great mindset, and I’m just ready to work and ready to help my team in any fashion I can,” said Green, an Atascocita High School graduate and Texas A&M All-American. “I’m just taking it day by day, focusing on the detailed things so I can be out here healthy and contribute to my team and compete.”
Suh, who’s currently a free agent, played eight games with the Eagles last season and is still chasing a second Super Bowl ring before he calls it quits.

The 37-year-old is a walking juxtaposition for Green, who’s really just getting his career started. But that’s part of why working with Suh was beneficial for Green, whom the Texans are hoping can emerge as a long-term protector for star quarterback C.J. Stroud. During his time with Suh, he was able to gain some valuable wisdom about the game he’s gone a whole year without playing.


“Great hospitality, and he showed me a great time,” Green said. “I learned a lot and got a lot of work in. … It was something different, learning from a defensive mindset and him just showing me different things that I need to pinpoint and focus on.”
Green has achieved all the offseason goals he set for himself, including a physical transformation that has him down to 315 pounds and moving with an athleticism that he did not possess as a rookie.

Before his injury, Green was looking to rebound from a debut season in which he struggled at times while playing for a dismal 3-13-1 team not yet infused with the promise Stroud brought with him. According to his overall grading from Pro Football Focus, Green ranked last among the 47 guards who played at least 800 snaps in 2022. He allowed 47 pressures, fourth-most among that same group of players.

But now, fully healthy, he’s finally got a chance to reward the Texans for holding steadfast in their faith for what he can still become.

“He’s definitely in the best shape that he’s been in since he’s been in the NFL,” Texans offensive line coach Chris Strausser said.

“He’s definitely in the best shape that he’s been in since he’s been in the NFL,” Texans offensive line coach Chris Strausser said. “I think he’s taken a next level of pride in everything he’s doing. It’s going to be great for his life moving forward, but it also helps him as a football player, and this is the best football he’s played, so I’m really happy with what he’s done in the offseason.”


Kenyon Green had his No. 55 retired by Atascocita High School months after the Texans drafted him in the spring of 2022.

Texans head coach DeMeco Ryans has praised Green for his commitment to working on himself and being available to help the team. Now that training camp is underway, he’s been pleased with what Green has put on display.

“Kenyon is available, so that’s going to continue to allow him to grow and become a better player because he’s done a great job in the offseason of working out, being attentive to all the details that the coaches have asked him to take care of — he’s been on it,” Ryans said. “That just gives him a chance, and Keyon has the right mindset, and he’s working hard, and he’s working the proper way, so I’m excited to see how he continues to grow once we get pads on and once we play in games.”
Green’s teammates are taking notice as well. Right tackle Tytus Howard said he’s been in a similar situation as Green, struggling to find his place on the Texans as a young first-round pick with lofty expectations set for him.

As Howard pointed out Tuesday, Green is young and still has plenty of room for growth. He’s still only 23 years old, the eighth-youngest player on Houston’s 90-man roster behind four of this year’s rookies, Stroud, Will Anderson Jr. and Derek Stingley Jr.


“Kenyon’s matured a lot,” Howard said. “He’s put in a lot of work. His body is in the best position he’s been in, his mind is in the best position he’s been in, and he’s very confident in his ability. He’s put it all together. He’s been out here putting some good stuff on the field for these first couple days of camp. I’m excited to see him grow.”

Kenyon’s father, Henry Green, was at practice Monday, proudly watching his son run through the gambit of position drills and take reps at left guard. Family support has been key throughout the process for the young man who grew up in the Houston area and developed into a blue-chip recruit playing high school football just 30 miles from NRG Stadium.

“It’s a work in progress,” Henry Green said. “His mental is straight, he’s got his body physically right, and he’s out there doing what he loves doing. It was important for him to know that, OK, he was injured, but he can fight back. He has that fight in him. He’s going out there, and he’s doing exactly what he was meant to do. When God’s got a plan, no man can step in front of Him.”
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Hey God? It's me Bad Boy again. Can you tell me what your plan is for Kenyon Green?
 
Sweech said:
That's not functionally true to my knowledge.

According to overthecap (and they're quite good for these things) Howard could be cut next season with a post June 1st designation and save the team 14.2 million with only a 8.875 deadcap hit.

Howard is locked in for this season, but his contract is far from being an albatross. I also think people forget post June 1st cuts is a cost saving tool and forget to check those numbers. As his pre June 1st numbers would only save the team under $2 mil.
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What you appear to be overlooking, if cut after 2024 season with a designated post June 1st cut,
2025 dead ~9 m with $14 .2 m savings but ALL remaining GTD money escalates into 2026. Approx $12.2 million dead cap.

I discussed this in a thread somewhere during 2023 season. If Titus Howard cannot be a quality starter; we can use the cap space later this season or in 2025 which would be a huge advantage.

I find the spotrac information easier to read than over the cap.
Just click on year of contract you wish to move a player.
www.spotrac.com

Tytus Howard | NFL Contracts & Salaries | Spotrac.com

Tytus Howard signed a 3 year, $56,000,000 contract with the Houston Texans, including $18,000,000 signing bonus, $36,002,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $18,666,667. In 2025, Howard will earn a base salary of $15,500,000, while carrying a cap hit of $23,045,588 and a dead cap...
www.spotrac.com www.spotrac.com
 
justmy2cents said:
I would like to know how much he's benching, how much he's squatting, how far and high he's jumping ! He's been paid a lot of money for no contribution .... it's not unfair to ask for specifics.
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The problem is that all those parameters do not tell you how his left shoulder will fare at LG or how his knee-restricted mobility and sturdiness will hold up against the defensive linemen and/or pass rushers thrown his way in real game.
 
justmy2cents said:
I would like to know how much he's benching, how much he's squatting, how far and high he's jumping ! He's been paid a lot of money for no contribution .... it's not unfair to ask for specifics.
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I'm going to compare Green to Laremy Tunsil when CloakNNNdagger explained Tunsil's left shoulder injury as impeding him from using the left arm to grab or push off the opponent who gets past him.

Same with both players pushing or sliding with knee injury. Lifting weights would not give the information trainer would need.
 
badboy said:
I think 19 confused Suh with Kenyon Green who did go to A&M but I could be off base.
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No I'm not confused. In the original post by CnD, which I replied to, the commentary stated Green was down to 315 pounds. I was thinking Green was closer to 350 pounds at A&M but his combine weight was 323.
 
27. The final team period was a 2-minute/hurry up situation for each offensive group. On the first rep, Stroud threw a gem to Dell on a dig route for a wonderful completion. The next throw was to Tank as well, but THAT MAN again Stingley Jr went over the top to knock it away for a wonderful PBU.



28. On the next play, Stroud maybe threw the ball as far as he could, similar to Week 18 against the Colts, to his man Collins, for a touchdown. A majestic parabola in the air that found its way into Collins' hands for a touchdown. Play of the Day.



29. Stroud then tested the rookie CB on the other side. CB Kamari Lassiter was in man coverage on Dell, but Lassiter was step for step, in phase with the fastest Texan, forcing an incompletion.



30. But the intensity of this practice culminated on the next play. Stroud hit Diggs across the middle and because it was an end of half/end of game type of play, he slid down to stop the ball for a spike. As he did S Jimmie Ward put a wicked lick on Diggs. Then, all you-know-what broke loose. Camp Kumbaya disappeared on the spot as each side of the football convened to, uh, beef like Kendrick and Drake. It was not Euphoria, that's for sure, but hopefully after it was all done, they squashed it, hugged and made up like David Alan Grier and Eddie Murphy in Boomerang.
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Lucky said:
Not interested in seeing starters on kickoff returns.
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I have no issue with it. You’re probably right that teams will be kicking out of the end zone in a month, but then doing so is putting the ball on the 30. Don’t know how much teams will care about that extra 5 yards (touchbacks brought to 25 previously). And it’s not like the opposing player is sprinting from their own 35 to tackle the returner. They’re starting from the opposing 35 and can’t move until the returner touches the ball.

Never watched the XFL, or whatever league used it, enough to know how they ended up playing things out. Did they end up just kicking through the end zone? If not, what were the return averages and how many big returns were there?

I’m all for making the play have some significance again, and I think it’s an advantage for quick, shifty guys like Tank.

Deadpool said:
Coming to take QB1.

Jk. He's gonna be a heckuva backup
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Or it’s practice and he is who he is.
 
Speedy said:
I have no issue with it. You’re probably right that teams will be kicking out of the end zone in a month, but then doing so is putting the ball on the 30. Don’t know how much teams will care about that extra 5 yards (touchbacks brought to 25 previously). And it’s not like the opposing player is sprinting from their own 35 to tackle the returner. They’re starting from the opposing 35 and can’t move until the returner touches the ball.

Never watched the XFL, or whatever league used it, enough to know how they ended up playing things out. Did they end up just kicking through the end zone? If not, what were the return averages and how many big returns were there?

I’m all for making the play have some significance again, and I think it’s an advantage for quick, shifty guys like Tank.



Or it’s practice and he is who he is.
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I was kidding hahaha
 
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