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2024 Free Agency

welsh texan said:
Yep, if you draft well in the 2nd round you get a really good player, there is a much lower cap $ tag, they even tend to cost less when it comes time to resign them because there is a ‘former first round pick’ tax for players that work out.

im sure the rookie cap pool and that 5th year option tolling the same time as you need to re-up both CJ and WAj play into it, and well done to Nick for looking that far ahead (can’t chase down Mahomes during CJs rookie contract only!).

Some people have a Super Bowl or bust mentality, but actually we should be pleased that they are looking to be good long term with plenty of SB shots. Brady has set the records and Pat has a head start on chasing them down, this is where
the Texans need to set the bar.

Last draft the Texans gave up those really good picks to go get 2 generational talents right at the top of the draft, the best 2 players in that draft it would seem. This year some are worried that the sky is falling because of 1 or 2 glaring holes in the roster, those get filled nicely in round 2 and having 4 of them instead of 3 over the next 2 years is great.
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Growing expectations!
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
The Armstead trade which included Collins as a cap dump did not fall through because the Texans backed out. The trade fell through when the 49ers examined Collins' medicals thoroughly.
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This doesn't match up. If it was the 49ers medical that was sideways on Collins, what did they see when they gave up a draft pick for him?
 
leebigeztx said:
This doesn't match up. If it was the 49ers medical that was sideways on Collins, what did they see when they gave up a draft pick for him?
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Match up or not, that's how it went down........or should I say, didn't go down.
If you think that is screwy, this is what The Athletic reported

Former San Francisco 49ers first-round pick Arik Armstead was officially released on Wednesday afternoon. Not even 24 hours later, Armstead has a new home. According to The Athletic’s Matt Barrows, Amrstead was almost a one-for-one swap in a deal with the Houston Texans for Maliek Collins.
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LikeMike said:
I don‘t get it. So this is essentially a 4 year 35 million dollar deal with 18 million dollar guaranteed that we gave up a 7th rounder for? Why?

Let‘s put aside my problems with his past right now. He is still a 27 year old running back that was the work horse for his old team - his old team was on the verge of cutting him. Now I do believe he has something left in his tank, but I don‘t feel comfortable at all to give him a long term contract. Workhorse RBs switching teams rarely work out.

And we could have just kept his contract - have him for one year at 6 million and make him earn his next contract. Worst case? He leaves in next years FA because another team offers him more than we do. We are already prepared to offer him 9 million a year now without having seen him. I think the chances of someone offering him more than that are slim - and if that happens I would still like our chances after rejuvenating his career.

The only reason I can think of for this is, to make him feel welcome and show him, that we believe in him. But I would 100% prefer the cap flexibility and having him in a contract year.
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Or I don’t know maybe they believe he has the talent worthy of such a contract. Just because you don’t think he’s worthy doesn’t mean they do. I don’t think they would give him an extension if they didn’t fully believe he is worthy. I think a lot of people are underestimating Mixon. I agree with the coaches and front office on this one.
 
mussop said:
Or I don’t know maybe they believe he has the talent worthy of such a contract. Just because you don’t think he’s worthy doesn’t mean they do. I don’t think they would give him an extension if they didn’t fully believe he is worthy. I think a lot of people are underestimating Mixon. I agree with the coaches and front office on this one.
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I mean yeah, that definetly is the case. I was just wondering what the reason for giving this contract is, since we had him tied up for the year and I didn‘t expect any trouble in resigning him to this exact contract during or after the season, when we have seen him play for us.

The new contract informations floating around in this thread now make a lot more sense. If it is not an extension after this season, but the 3 years include this season - and if all the guaranteed money is up after the 2025 season and the cap hit in 2025 is only 4 million, than that means we are basically spending cap space this year to save cap season next season. And instead of basically guaranteeing his contract for the upcoming 3 years, it only guarantees the contract for the next two seasons. This makes a lot more sense.

I also do believe this season right now is not our all in season. 2025 and 2026 will be our all in seasons. But we are actually not very far of from being all in this year.

After signing Heck, I really hope we at least add one more DB this off season. Nelson would still be a no brainer to me if the price is right - and I dont expect him to get more than 6 million a year. Simmons is someone who I believe can get us to the next level and he should come at <10 million a year as well. Getting one of them would allow us to go more bpa in the draft.
 
LikeMike said:
I mean yeah, that definetly is the case. I was just wondering what the reason for giving this contract is, since we had him tied up for the year and I didn‘t expect any trouble in resigning him to this exact contract during or after the season, when we have seen him play for us.

The new contract informations floating around in this thread now make a lot more sense. If it is not an extension after this season, but the 3 years include this season - and if all the guaranteed money is up after the 2025 season and the cap hit in 2025 is only 4 million, than that means we are basically spending cap space this year to save cap season next season. And instead of basically guaranteeing his contract for the upcoming 3 years, it only guarantees the contract for the next two seasons. This makes a lot more sense.

I also do believe this season right now is not our all in season. 2025 and 2026 will be our all in seasons. But we are actually not very far of from being all in this year.

After signing Heck, I really hope we at least add one more DB this off season. Nelson would still be a no brainer to me if the price is right - and I dont expect him to get more than 6 million a year. Simmons is someone who I believe can get us to the next level and he should come at <10 million a year as well. Getting one of them would allow us to go more bpa in the draft.
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Simmons is my number 1 “want” left in FA. If there is a splash to be made, an all pro safety is that.
 
Simmons would be a great signing. He may be starting a slow decline, but he would clearly upgrade our safety group in a major way. Jimmie Ward can be the third guy and Eric Murray the 4th guy. People rag on Murray but when he played last year he was decent.
 
Errant Hothy said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1768961572230082935

If this is the price, I would have been all over this deal. AFC South is rapidly improving.
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And they'll have to if they want any chance of taking the South off of Texans.
This move may spur Nick to take Simmons or Whitehead from FA, or just take a top Safety prospect from the draft.
I'm confident we haven't seen the last of Texans moves yet going by what we have seen of Caserio and both he and Demeco did very well last year.
Still only a few days into the new league year yet.
 
zshawn10 said:
I m personally glad they didn’t get keenan; old, injury prone, really expensive especially with a deep deep wr draft class
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I think the idea was for a two year window Allen’s value for what they were offering was going to be greater than drafting a young WR. Seeing as they got outbid by the Bears 4th they weren’t offering a ton. But it would have been nice to add Allen to the mix at WR the next two seasons.

I agree, i’d rather get a young WR in the draft. And I suspect that will be the approach now that they didn’t get Allen. But if you have the opportunity to get a difference maker for a day 3 pick it’s worth taking a shot at it.
 
TheRealJoker said:
Draftniks assemble! Find me the best Keenan Allen comp so I can mock them to the Texans repeatedly from now until draft day.
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Draft profile:- 6'2" 211. 4.71 40.
Lines up all over the place including outside and in the slot, slants, crossers and speed outs.
 
welsh texan said:
Looks like we can still move on after 2 years if we so choose. Depending how it’s structured, of course, but looks like that bulk of those guaranteed $ are done by 2 years’ time, which gives us chance to find something better through the draft (and develop for a year or 2 also).

I’ve a strong feeling he’s a slight upgrade on what we had, the chatter is he’s a great fit for our scheme, so hopefully will look better here than he has before.
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A slight upgrade?

His stats and I'm not a stat only guy, but his stats are on par with Barkley's who most around these parts were clamoring for. He's a major upgrade whose contract will be running out when it's time to re-sign Stroud/WA.
 
Digs and Higgins are both clamoring for a trade. I’d rather have Higgins. Younger and I don’t have the character concerns that I do with Diggs, if your looking at onfield only, give me Diggs for 2 years. But off field? I worry about that fit.
 
Porky said:
Digs and Higgins are both clamoring for a trade. I’d rather have Higgins. Younger and I don’t have the character concerns that I do with Diggs, if your looking at onfield only, give me Diggs for 2 years. But off field? I worry about that fit.
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I generally agree... Of course, I am still entirely unable to wrap my head around the contracts these WR1s are getting. So, the details of a Tee Higgins deal would freak me out, big time!
 
dalemurphy said:
We lack team speed on offense. They have to address it. I believe they full intend to do so early in the draft.
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Agreed, They did this adding Mixon and if the rumors or true Diggs would give the speed on the outside this team needs. I could also see Caserio adding Guerendo in the 3rd/4th rd for this very reason. Fixing the front 7 and adding speed to the offense in one offseason. They could add a premium S in FA also because they have the cap space. The only place they may be lacking at is CB2 and I think they could find a decent rookie developmental guy likw Quatez Stiggers in the 4th rd to be the CB3 behind Stingley/Odukah.
 
Porky said:
Digs and Higgins are both clamoring for a trade. I’d rather have Higgins. Younger and I don’t have the character concerns that I do with Diggs, if your looking at onfield only, give me Diggs for 2 years. But off field? I worry about that fit.
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Diggs is under contract.

Higgins want a WR1 deal.

Give me 2 yrs of Diggs.
 
I don’t get why we were in the Allen sweepstakes and are seemingly in the Higgins/Diggs sweepstakes. We do have a legit #1 and #2 corner and the draft is stacked with WR talent. We can’t really pay that FA and Nico. I‘d much rather have us spend that valuable cap space elsewhere. We still have holes at DT, S and CB and our swing tackle is also pretty weak.
 
steelbtexan said:
Agreed, They did this adding Mixon and if the rumors or true Diggs would give the speed on the outside this team needs. I could also see Caserio adding Guerendo in the 3rd/4th rd for this very reason. Fixing the front 7 and adding speed to the offense in one offseason. They could add a premium S in FA also because they have the cap space. The only place they may be lacking at is CB2 and I think they could find a decent rookie developmental guy likw Quatez Stiggers in the 4th rd to be the CB3 behind Stingley/Odukah.
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I’m not as concerned as some about CB2. In the zone heavy scheme with this pass rush, they will find someone who can get the job done. Ideally they can re-sign Nelson for another season, every day he goes unsigned should bring him one step closer back to Texans. But I don’t expect him to sign anywhere until after draft when teams figure out where they stand.

I would like to get an upgrade at nickel. I’m not sure what the plan is there, they got King back for the minimum. Judging by the contract I don’t think they see him as the guy at that spot. He took less money than Lonnie Johnson.
 
steelbtexan said:
Diggs is under contract.

Higgins want a WR1 deal.

Give me 2 yrs of Diggs.
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Yes that’s what I was hinting at with my two years of Diggs comment. Strickly talking between the white lines, I’d favor that move if the draft compensation is very reasonable as it was with Allen. That said, his antics worry me. He’s got a big time diva gene. Me first guys blending with the unselfish team guys that DeMeco favors? Just not sure about fit but in Meco I trust!
 
Porky said:
Simmons would be a great signing. He may be starting a slow decline, but he would clearly upgrade our safety group in a major way. Jimmie Ward can be the third guy and Eric Murray the 4th guy. People rag on Murray but when he played last year he was decent.
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:yikes::smiliepalm::user:
I just blew lemonade and snot all over my telephone screen. Eric Murray decent? I don't want any player who is a bust 2/3 of his targets or plays. He defended three passes and allowed to. The only reason he is on the roster is his familiarity with the Texan players and one year with the defense of Demeco Ryan. He had tackles on 177 snaps. He is a Texan but less than JAG.
 
welsh texan said:
Yep, if you draft well in the 2nd round you get a really good player, there is a much lower cap $ tag, they even tend to cost less when it comes time to resign them because there is a ‘former first round pick’ tax for players that work out.

im sure the rookie cap pool and that 5th year option tolling the same time as you need to re-up both CJ and WAj play into it, and well done to Nick for looking that far ahead (can’t chase down Mahomes during CJs rookie contract only!).

Some people have a Super Bowl or bust mentality, but actually we should be pleased that they are looking to be good long term with plenty of SB shots. Brady has set the records and Pat has a head start on chasing them down, this is where
the Texans need to set the bar.

Last draft the Texans gave up those really good picks to go get 2 generational talents right at the top of the draft, the best 2 players in that draft it would seem. This year some are worried that the sky is falling because of 1 or 2 glaring holes in the roster, those get filled nicely in round 2 and having 4 of them instead of 3 over the next 2 years is great.
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Great post

The talent diffrence between 1-23 and 2-42 isn't that great. Example: I like Cooper DeJohn a lot at 1-23. But how much difference is there between McKinstry or Rakeshaw who could be there at 2-42. DT's, I'm a Longhorn fan and I love Murphy, but how much difference is there between Murphy and Newton who could fall or Braden Fiske at 2-42 vs Murphy at 1-23.

The only player I wouldn't trade down for is Brian Thomas but with the Jags losing Ridley I dont see Thomas falling past them, so trading down makes a ton of sense both from a draft capital stand point and a cap stand point. But they've gotta hit on these picks and I've got confidence that Ryans knows exactly within a grouping of players (McKinstry/Fiske/Rakestaw/Sweat/McConkey/Wilson as an example) that he can get a comparable player and a day 1 starter at 2-42 as he would've gotten at 1-23.
 
Porky said:
Yes that’s what I was hinting at with my two years of Diggs comment. Strickly talking between the white lines, I’d favor that move if the draft compensation is very reasonable as it was with Allen. That said, his antics worry me. He’s got a big time diva gene. Me first guys blending with the unselfish team guys that DeMeco favors? Just not sure about fit but in Meco I trust!
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I get this, difference is he's said he wants to play with Stroud. Also it's only a yr risk.
 
TheRealJoker said:
I’m not as concerned as some about CB2. In the zone heavy scheme with this pass rush, they will find someone who can get the job done. Ideally they can re-sign Nelson for another season, every day he goes unsigned should bring him one step closer back to Texans. But I don’t expect him to sign anywhere until after draft when teams figure out where they stand.

I would like to get an upgrade at nickel. I’m not sure what the plan is there, they got King back for the minimum. Judging by the contract I don’t think they see him as the guy at that spot. He took less money than Lonnie Johnson.
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I'm hoping Ward can stay healthy, they bring in a vet S (High end Simmons/Lower end Q. Diggs) and move Petrie to the slot CB position. I think Petrie will be better playing closer to the LOS and would be a great blitzer from the slot.
 
Porky said:
Yes that’s what I was hinting at with my two years of Diggs comment. Strickly talking between the white lines, I’d favor that move if the draft compensation is very reasonable as it was with Allen. That said, his antics worry me. He’s got a big time diva gene. Me first guys blending with the unselfish team guys that DeMeco favors? Just not sure about fit but in Meco I trust!
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From what I read from a few weeks ago... to me Stroud gave off the impression that he absolutely -wants- Diggs. What Stroud wants... please give it to him. Kinda like how he told the Texans to draft Dell. That boy -understands- football and he knows what he needs.
 
NitroGSXR said:
From what I read from a few weeks ago... to me Stroud gave off the impression that he absolutely -wants- Diggs. What Stroud wants... please give it to him. Kinda like how he told the Texans to draft Dell. That boy -understands- football and he knows what he needs.
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He will change his mind quickly if we get another young stud receiver on a rookie contract. I would much rather that be the case!!
 
TxnsJuggernaut1 said:
He will change his mind quickly if we get another young stud receiver on a rookie contract. I would much rather that be the case!!
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I don’t think Stroud cares about contracts. Stroud just wants a guy who can catch. It’s up to Caserio to make it work.

Let’s go get Diggs!
 
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