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2024 Free Agency

steelbtexan said:
That would make for a stud LB corps.
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both are sure to get raises from what they got last year and I don’t know that it makes sense to tie up that money like that. I’d be ok with going after a guy in the middle of the draft to develop and be a back up & possibly be able to replace in the event that say a guy like Cashman reverts back to his history..or Al-Shaair someone doesn’t pan out.

whatever they do, I just want to make sure that To’o’toto is as far away from getting starting snaps as possible b/c he’s definitely NOT a starter.
 
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sprtsfanatic said:
I wouldnt mind Swift as a last resort...but lets be honest...he couldnt hold Barkley's jock strap.
Its Barkley or Jacobs, then Eckler then Swift for me.
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You're under rating Swift. His only thing is health. He was healthy last yr and showed what he can do. Barkley is a great player too, but I would rather have Swift and say Chinn or Al Shaair with Barkley's money. Al Shaair is going to get paid 10 mil APY on a 3 yr deal. Swift will probably get a 2 yr 12 mil deal. You would be paying close to 12 mil APY for 3 yrs of Barkley. Give me Swift any day.
 
steelbtexan said:
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You're under rating Swift. His only thing is health. He was healthy last yr and showed what he can do. Barkley is a great player too, but I would rather have Swift and say Chinn or Al Shaair with Barkley's money. Al Shaair is going to get paid 10 mil APY on a 3 yr deal. Swift will probably get a 2 yr 12 mil deal. You would be paying close to 12 mil APY for 3 yrs of Barkley. Give me Swift any day.
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Cashman outplayed Al Shaair who is a clone of Perryman. He's a sucker in coverage. If he's getting 10, Cashman is getting 11 or 12. My guess is Al Shaair gets about what he signed for last year on a 1 year deal
 
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JB said:
The same was being said about Harris after his rookie season
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Wasn’t me saying that. I saw flashes with Harris and knew what he could evolve too. The thing with him too in his rookie season was he was oft injured and he was asked to come in and be a stud without much around him…plus he didn’t have Meco coaching him up. toot had all the advantages as a rook that Harris didn’t. I’m not ruling out improvement from him, I just don’t think he improves enough to be a high quality starter.
 
leebigeztx said:
Cashman outplayed Al Shaair who is a clone of Perryman. He's a sucker in coverage. If he's getting 10, Cashman is getting 11 or 12. My guess is Al Shaair gets about what he signed for last year on a 1 year deal
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lol, all LB’s are suckers in coverage b/c they have to honor the run 1st and foremost.

As far as your comp to Perryman tho? Not even close & We’ll disagree here. Perryman can’t cover at all. This was well known from the raiders/SD. Al-Shaair can & is average to slightly above average for an LB. Right about where Cashman is. Outside of the box score stats tho, Al-Shaair outplayed Cashman by a mile simply b/c he was on the field more or the and made more plays on a shitty team with no offensive or defensive talent really. Cashman had studs all around him..not really a stud imo, just a guy in an ideal situation for his needs at the time.

I think you’re discounting the Health part of this equation big time & it’s huge for Cashman’s eval. the reality is he’s been in the league 5 years and he hasn’t come close to showing he can stay healthy for a full season…last year not withstanding of course. He’ll definitely be looking to cash in as much as possible off of that alone & if anyone’s silly enough to give him a deal totaling more than 5 per…well, they’ll regret it. I just hope NC can see that.

He’s KGH all over again for us imo. A guy who flashed here on his 1 yr…. we thought we had found a diamond in the rough. Ran it back with him the next year and he regressed back to the mean..which was hot ass. In this case, we’d be fools to run it back with Cashman at a higher price and longer deal b/c he will miss at least a quarter or more of the season next year …. guaranteed.
 
Mr teX said:
lol, all LB’s are suckers in coverage b/c they have to honor the run 1st and foremost.

As far as your comp to Perryman tho? Not even close & We’ll disagree here. Perryman can’t cover at all. This was well known from the raiders/SD. Al-Shaair can & is average to slightly above average for an LB. Right about where Cashman is. Outside of the box score stats tho, Al-Shaair outplayed Cashman by a mile simply b/c he was on the field more or the and made more plays on a shitty team with no offensive or defensive talent really. Cashman had studs all around him..not really a stud imo, just a guy in an ideal situation for his needs at the time.

I think you’re discounting the Health part of this equation big time & it’s huge for Cashman’s eval. the reality is he’s been in the league 5 years and he hasn’t come close to showing he can stay healthy for a full season…last year not withstanding of course. He’ll definitely be looking to cash in as much as possible off of that alone & if anyone’s silly enough to give him a deal totaling more than 5 per…well, they’ll regret it. I just hope NC can see that.

He’s KGH all over again for us imo. A guy who flashed here on his 1 yr…. we thought we had found a diamond in the rough. Ran it back with him the next year and he regressed back to the mean..which was hot ass. In this case, we’d be fools to run it back with Cashman at a higher price and longer deal b/c he will miss at least a quarter or more of the season next year …. guaranteed.
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Those that go through a 8-10 career without an injury are outliers.
Even great ones can have an injury after going injury free for several years - see JJ Watt, and Arian Foster.
 
Texansphan said:
Those that go through a 8-10 career without an injury are outliers.
Even great ones can have an injury after going injury free for several years - see JJ Watt, and Arian Foster.
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Arian and JJ had multiple years where their production put them at the top of their position in the league. Cashman isn’t anywhere near that level with his production. If he were making Luke Kuechly level plays, I’d be a lot less critical and more hopeful…but to me, he’s just a guy that realizes he’s on his way out of the league..not b/c he doesn’t have the requisite talent, b/c he just can’t be depended on. And so now, he’s taking his last gasps before GM’s begin weighing that heavily against him. And the day Cashman strings together at least 1 season where he plays at least 14 games will be his 1st. Got close last year. He’s got a long way to go to prove to me he can be relied upon as starter for this team.
 
steelbtexan said:
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You're under rating Swift. His only thing is health. He was healthy last yr and showed what he can do. Barkley is a great player too, but I would rather have Swift and say Chinn or Al Shaair with Barkley's money. Al Shaair is going to get paid 10 mil APY on a 3 yr deal. Swift will probably get a 2 yr 12 mil deal. You would be paying close to 12 mil APY for 3 yrs of Barkley. Give me Swift any day.
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For that minimal price difference between Barkley and Swift its not even close...give me Barkley for 3yrs at that price..hell give me 4 if he goes for it...the drop off in talent between the two is def worth more than 2mil/yr.
 
Mr teX said:
Arian and JJ had multiple years where their production put them at the top of their position in the league. Cashman isn’t anywhere near that level with his production. If he were making Luke Kuechly level plays, I’d be a lot less critical and more hopeful…but to me, he’s just a guy that realizes he’s on his way out of the league..not b/c he doesn’t have the requisite talent, b/c he just can’t be depended on. And so now, he’s taking his last gasps before GM’s begin weighing that heavily against him. And the day Cashman strings together at least 1 season where he plays at least 14 games will be his 1st. Got close last year. He’s got a long way to go to prove to me he can be relied upon as starter for this team.
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Cashman should grab the first offer that Caserio extends and then start bragging on how smart the GM was.
 
Mr teX said:
lol, all LB’s are suckers in coverage b/c they have to honor the run 1st and foremost.

As far as your comp to Perryman tho? Not even close & We’ll disagree here. Perryman can’t cover at all. This was well known from the raiders/SD. Al-Shaair can & is average to slightly above average for an LB. Right about where Cashman is. Outside of the box score stats tho, Al-Shaair outplayed Cashman by a mile simply b/c he was on the field more or the and made more plays on a shitty team with no offensive or defensive talent really. Cashman had studs all around him..not really a stud imo, just a guy in an ideal situation for his needs at the time.

I think you’re discounting the Health part of this equation big time & it’s huge for Cashman’s eval. the reality is he’s been in the league 5 years and he hasn’t come close to showing he can stay healthy for a full season…last year not withstanding of course. He’ll definitely be looking to cash in as much as possible off of that alone & if anyone’s silly enough to give him a deal totaling more than 5 per…well, they’ll regret it. I just hope NC can see that.

He’s KGH all over again for us imo. A guy who flashed here on his 1 yr…. we thought we had found a diamond in the rough. Ran it back with him the next year and he regressed back to the mean..which was hot ass. In this case, we’d be fools to run it back with Cashman at a higher price and longer deal b/c he will miss at least a quarter or more of the season next year …. guaranteed.
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Al Shaair is avg in coverage at best. 49ers let him go and replaced him with another guy who is a free agent. On the open market, he got a 1 year 5m deal, that's it. I watched Titans this year and you didn't even know he was on the field alot of the time. Cashman outplayed him by a good portion. Go pull up any metrics or rankins as well as the tape. As far as durability, that's the only setback for Cashman,but he played like a top 5 inside lb this year. That's not just me saying that either.
 
leebigeztx said:
Al Shaair is avg in coverage at best. 49ers let him go and replaced him with another guy who is a free agent. On the open market, he got a 1 year 5m deal, that's it. I watched Titans this year and you didn't even know he was on the field alot of the time. Cashman outplayed him by a good portion. Go pull up any metrics or rankins as well as the tape. As far as durability, that's the only setback for Cashman,but he played like a top 5 inside lb this year. That's not just me saying that either.
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and that’s a HUGE knock for Cashman. 1 that I would not bet against.

you know how I feel about PFF…means nothing to me….i watch guys in the games..Al-Shaair is low key a stud. He’s just a young guy who needs to learn how to trust his teammates more. Couldn’t really do that last year in Tenn but he’d be able to do that here. and lol Cashman was nowhere close to playing like or being regarded as a top 5 guy. Hell according to this PFF list of ranked LB’s available THIS FA, Al-Shaair is the guy closer to that, not Cashman.
https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-2024-nfl-free-agency-rankings-linebackers

49ers released him b/c he was more of a luxury as an undrafted guy with little to no money or draft capital invested in him. And as a backup to Warner and Greenlaw, he just wasn’t gonna get a ton of looks anyway. IOW’s, they could afford to let him go so that they could get a more veteran guy in there.

I also don’t look at deals guys get on the open market as indications of how good they are unless there are a few seasons of production as starters under their belt. But if we did do that, we see He was offered 5 times more money than Cashman was with his 1 year deal..so……..there’s that.
 
Mr teX said:
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and that’s a HUGE knock for Cashman. 1 that I would not bet against.

you know how I feel about PFF…means nothing to me….i watch guys in the games..Al-Shaair is low key a stud. He’s just a young guy who needs to learn how to trust his teammates more. Couldn’t really do that last year in Tenn but he’d be able to do that here. and lol Cashman was nowhere close to playing like or being regarded as a top 5 guy. Hell according to this PFF list of ranked LB’s available THIS FA, Al-Shaair is the guy closer to that, not Cashman.
https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-2024-nfl-free-agency-rankings-linebackers

49ers released him b/c he was more of a luxury as an undrafted guy with little to no money or draft capital invested in him. And as a backup to Warner and Greenlaw, he just wasn’t gonna get a ton of looks anyway. IOW’s, they could afford to let him go so that they could get a more veteran guy in there.

I also don’t look at deals guys get on the open market as indications of how good they are unless there are a few seasons of production as starters under their belt. But if we did do that, we see He was offered 5 times more money than Cashman was with his 1 year deal..so……..there’s that.
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You think if they thought he was a stud they would've let him walk without a tender? I mean, he was a 5th rd pick playing alongside 2 real studs. He hit the market and only got a 1 yr deal. He was solid, thats all. Cashman was a better player period. Again if its the injury part about Cashman, that's fair, but he's a better player. You don't care about pff, but you post a link from pff that shows Cashman as the better lb from coverage to tackling to run support. Which is it?
 
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leebigeztx said:
What is the fascination with Barkley?
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yeah, who would want an absolute beast at RB that is a 3 down back, great vision, great burst, and way above average hands for a RB out of the backfield that also blocks well???

He's only the best back on the market for a reason...and at 26 he's still young and has plenty left in the tank...AND with the RB market being way undervalued you could get him at a steal. Especially if you are talking options between him or jacobs vs swift, henry, eckler, or pollard or whatever other RB you wanna throw into the conversation.
 
sprtsfanatic said:
yeah, who would want an absolute beast at RB that is a 3 down back, great vision, great burst, and way above average hands for a RB out of the backfield that also blocks well???

He's only the best back on the market for a reason...and at 26 he's still young and has plenty left in the tank...AND with the RB market being way undervalued you could get him at a steal. Especially if you are talking options between him or jacobs vs swift, henry, eckler, or pollard or whatever other RB you wanna throw into the conversation.
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He's not the best rb on the market and since his vision is soo great, why is he under 4 ypc? Henry is the best back on the market despite wear and tear. Barkley is not a 1 cut downhill runner. There isn't anything he does better than Henry except run routes, but if you just look at the last 3 years, even the yds out the backfield are pretty even. Breaking tackles, yards after contact and tds are all in Henry favor. This is not opinion, this is fact. I'm sure Ryans and crew see that he's not a outside runner either. Again, I'm stating facts.
 
leebigeztx said:
He's not the best rb on the market and since his vision is soo great, why is he under 4 ypc? Henry is the best back on the market despite wear and tear. Barkley is not a 1 cut downhill runner. There isn't anything he does better than Henry except run routes, but if you just look at the last 3 years, even the yds out the backfield are pretty even. Breaking tackles, yards after contact and tds are all in Henry favor. This is not opinion, this is fact. I'm sure Ryans and crew see that he's not a outside runner either. Again, I'm stating facts.
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I'm on board with one of Henry/Swift/Pollard.
 
leebigeztx said:
Pollard needs a rbbc.Last year he proved he cant be an everydown player. He and motor would be good together.Dillon is another guy as well as Foreman
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I believe he had a thousand yards and a career high in receptions last year. So he wasn't as bad as he's been made out to be. But I agree with you, if used correctly he's a weapon. 70-30 split IMHO.
 
If the Texans were giving themselves one splash signing for 2024…..I’d put that move towards ILB, Patrick Queen. Cashman is going to command roughly 13.5M….so why not splurge a little and give Ryans Patrick Queen for 5-6M more annually?

The biggest difference between the two, Queen has been reliably healthy and productive during his NFL career….which means he’s earned his pay raise. Cashman would like a payday based on -one- somewhat healthy season with very good production.

For me, this is a sound investment that takes an additional 5M off the available cap to upgrade the ILB position.
 
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Mr teX said:
49ers released him b/c he was more of a luxury as an undrafted guy with little to no money or draft capital invested in him.
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Al-Shaair was not released by the Niners. He left as a qualified unrestricted free agent.

leebigeztx said:
Pollard needs a rbbc.
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All of those RBs listed need to be part of a committee. Almost all RBs do. Derrick Henry lead the league in attempts last season. but was still 69 attempts from the year before. He won't be capable of doing more at age 30. Look for the Niners to get a complimentary RB to McCaffery this offseason, as well.
 
leebigeztx said:
He's not the best rb on the market and since his vision is soo great, why is he under 4 ypc? Henry is the best back on the market despite wear and tear. Barkley is not a 1 cut downhill runner. There isn't anything he does better than Henry except run routes, but if you just look at the last 3 years, even the yds out the backfield are pretty even. Breaking tackles, yards after contact and tds are all in Henry favor. This is not opinion, this is fact. I'm sure Ryans and crew see that he's not a outside runner either. Again, I'm stating facts.
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Have you seen his OL or QB situation and the dumpster fire that NY is...they have absolutely NOTHING w/o Barkley so who do you think teams game plan for??? They as sure as hell dont have to game plan for ANY WR, or QB, and their OLine is equivalent to a subway turnstile.

And you would be one of the VERY FEW that doesnt think he's the best RB on the market. Its EASILY Barkley, Jacobs at the top then there is a serious drop in complete overall back behind them.
 
I think Barkley is good, but he isn’t a tackle breaker or a goal line beast. He’s more of the explosive player who makes a run of 30, followed by 3 Carrie’s at 2 yards each. But where he does add a ton of value is the passing game. He’s a real weapon there, and he is known as a good blocker for the QB.

Jacobs is interesting to me. I feel he is sort of in between Barkley and Henry in style and has a lot of tread left on the tire. I’d be thrilled with Jacobs.

I would also be thrilled with Henry. He would add a physical element at RB we’ve never had, be great on short yardage and 4 min as well.

My next two are Swift and Pollard. Both would add pieces mentioned about the guys above and start, but probably more suited to a rbbc approach. Given the lesser money of these two, you can probably sign Motor to an extension. I’d be happy with either of these guys and motor.

My next guy is Ekeler. And I will throw in Dillion here too. I’m not 100% sure either he would start. Ekeler had a disappointing season. I see him more as a high level 3rd down back at this point TBD. I like him…but I’d be slightly disappointed with either choice. If either is signed, I hope they sign motor…and go for a day 2 or early day 3 RB to compete for Carries.
 
I would rather sign Swift or Pollard and Dillon for 10 mil and put the other 5 mil saved by not bringing back Motor towards bringing back Cashman.

Hey Sports fanatic

Hopefully you disagree with me and dont take our differing opinions personal.

Instead of giving me an unlike just say you disagree and if you feel like it tell me why. I'll respond and this will help spur conversation.
 
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Dang I'm glad and relieved the Chiefs took Jones off the market by giving him QB money.
We need several positions on defense and/offense upgraded so let's spread those resources among various positions rather than for just one or two very high-profile prospects.
 
steelbtexan said:
I would rather sign Swift or Pollard and Dillon for 10 mil and put the other 5 mil saved by not bringing back Motor towards bringing back Cashman.
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I’d re-sign Singletary for 3 years at 5.3M and draft RB- Jaylan Wright (TN). I’d then use those savings (6M dollars) to make up the difference between ILB- Patrick Queen and ILB- Blake Cashman’s projected market value.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
If the Texans were giving themselves one splash signing for 2024…..I’d put that move towards ILB, Patrick Queen. Cashman is going to command roughly 13.5M….so why not splurge a little and give Ryans Patrick Queen for 5-6M more annually?

The biggest difference between the two, Queen has been reliably healthy and productive during his NFL career….which means he’s earned his pay raise. Cashman would like a payday based on -one- somewhat healthy season with very good production.

For me, this is a sound investment that takes an additional 5M off the available cap to upgrade the ILB position.
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Cashman isn't going to get that kind of money.

8-10 mil APY
 
My sources (the voices in my head) tell me that the Texans are in talks with The Flash to sign as our next franchise RB. As soon as the voices talk to me again (they're hind of uppity sometimes), I'll give y'all an update. And I'm being serious, the voices are real.
 
steelbtexan said:
I believe he had a thousand yards and a career high in receptions last year. So he wasn't as bad as he's been made out to be. But I agree with you, if used correctly he's a weapon. 70-30 split IMHO.
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I didn't say he was bad, but I think most thought he could be that lead guy with the explosive numbers. Remember when Kamara took over everything for Ingram? I think that's what most were projecting. He played well, about on Singletary's level. Nothing wrong with that.
 
sprtsfanatic said:
Have you seen his OL or QB situation and the dumpster fire that NY is...they have absolutely NOTHING w/o Barkley so who do you think teams game plan for??? They as sure as hell dont have to game plan for ANY WR, or QB, and their OLine is equivalent to a subway turnstile.

And you would be one of the VERY FEW that doesnt think he's the best RB on the market. Its EASILY Barkley, Jacobs at the top then there is a serious drop in complete overall back behind them.
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Have you seen Titans oline which is rated the worse in the nfl. You're making excuses. Let take Barkley best year where they said he packed the team to the playoffs.
Yards after contact 563, Henry 799. Barkley broken tackles 12, Henry 35. Receiving yards338, Henry398. 1st downs Barkley 62, Henry 65. We already know Barkley ran for 1300 and Henry over 1500 plus double digit tds. So where agin is Barkley batter than Henry? That was Barkley best year in his career, that was not Henry best year. It was probably his 3rd best year.
 
leebigeztx said:
Have you seen Titans oline which is rated the worse in the nfl. You're making excuses. Let take Barkley best year where they said he packed the team to the playoffs.
Yards after contact 563, Henry 799. Barkley broken tackles 12, Henry 35. Receiving yards338, Henry398. 1st downs Barkley 62, Henry 65. We already know Barkley ran for 1300 and Henry over 1500 plus double digit tds. So where agin is Barkley batter than Henry? That was Barkley best year in his career, that was not Henry best year. It was probably his 3rd best year.
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ROFLMAO, you wanna talk about the titans oline then bring up stats from the past. Thats hilarious...to act like the titans havent had a good oline before this year is a joke and now I know you've lost all credibility and to not take you serious anymore. LOL

Henry is a power back, we dont run a power scheme. If you dont believe me look at DP this year vs Motor.
Henry is old and has been ridden hard and put up wet. If the titans still thought he was in his prime and plenty of gas in the tank they would have attempted to keep him. He's been over used for years and the age and tread on those tired legs worry me.
 
leebigeztx said:
Have you seen Titans oline which is rated the worse in the nfl. You're making excuses. Let take Barkley best year where they said he packed the team to the playoffs.
Yards after contact 563, Henry 799. Barkley broken tackles 12, Henry 35. Receiving yards338, Henry398. 1st downs Barkley 62, Henry 65. We already know Barkley ran for 1300 and Henry over 1500 plus double digit tds. So where agin is Barkley batter than Henry? That was Barkley best year in his career, that was not Henry best year. It was probably his 3rd best year.
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If either Barkley or Henry is signed, I think it will be based upon what they are expected to do this season rather than in past seasons.
 
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