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2023 TEXANS DRAFT DISCUSSION

76Texan said:
So, if the Seahawks had traded up to draft Wilson early in the first round, they would have been reaching?
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"Reaching" is a concept defined by outsiders looking in. If you've got a guy highly rated, especially at QB, you take him. There is no such thing as a reach as long as you're right.

Looks like he wasn't rated highly on any of the 32 boards, not to mention the draft experts.
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Except for a scout for the Jets who was pounding the table for him in the first round (I think Bradway was his name), but no one listened to him.

You just have to hope that your scouting department and your football guys can evaluate talent.
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EXACTLY!

The Bears got it wrong with Trubisky.
On the other hand, a number of teams missed out on Mahomes and Watson for one reason or another.
At the end of the day, you still have to take a shot.
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No.

You don't have to just take a shot. When you just take a shot, you're going to end up with Darnold, or Trubisky, or Gabbert, or whatever bust you want to choose.

YOU HAVE TO HAVE A GOOD SCOUTING DEPARTMENT, and you have to trust them.

Unlike the Jets who that Bradway guy pounding the table for Russell Wilson and everyone ignored that guy.

There's no guarantee but both Young and Stroud had shown that they are good prospects, though not perfect.
Mahomes wasn't a perfect prospect and neither was Watson.
Josh Allen wasn't (he was drafted no. 7, behind Mayfield and Darnold). Lamar Jackson lasted until no. 32.
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And? Everything you've just said is exactly my point. Should the Browns have drafted Mayfield and the Jets Darnold, and then Wilson? Because that's what you're condoning. Those were the teams that "took a shot."

Scouting QBs and getting it right isn't easy. People fail at it all the time. Using a shotgun scattershot approach isn't going to improve the odds. Except to put you in the 60% who are going to probably miss.

The Bears chose Trubisky and the Browns traded their pick to us and then the next year took Baker Mayfield. And then the Browns tried to MAKE Baker Mayfield a better choice than Deshaun Watson, but then ended up trading the farm for Deshaun Watson.

If you pick a guy just to pick a guy, you're screwed, and you may well move yourself out of position to take the guy when he becomes available.

You've got to do a good job scouting so that you pick the right guy. And you don't have to be picking #1 or #2 overall to get a great QB.

I'm not saying we shouldn't choose Stroud or Young. I'm just saying we shouldn't be drafting them just because they're QBs and we need one of those. Our coaching staff, our scouts, and front office have to be damned sure they're drafting "the guy" or at the very least, someone they can work with to develop into "the guy."
 
dream_team said:
You're misinterpreting the analogy. It's not swing no matter what. It's IF you're going to strikeout, you want to strikeout swinging.

In 3 seasons from now, which do you prefer?
- We take Stroud, he sucks, so we're back to looking for a QB.
- We don't take Stroud, or any QB, and we're still looking for a QB.

Which do you prefer? IMO, I prefer taking Stroud... at least we tried.
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Those aren't the only two options. There are literally, hundreds more options than that.

We don't take Stroud, but we take one of the other QBs this year, and/or we draft a QB next year, or the year after that.

I'm just saying, you wait for a ball you like to swing at because we don't have two strikes, yet.
 
I predict Stroud, or trade down.
I'm not seeing the logic in teams who want Stroud being willing to trade up to three for him but not two.
What am I missing
 
I think NC wants qb and DR wants defense. Cal will be the tie breaker with tickets in mind, so we're getting a qb.

After months of debate there is still no consensus in the front office? Isn't that cause for concern going forward? Nick and Meco may not be gelling the way they portray...
 
The Pencil Neck said:
"Reaching" is a concept defined by outsiders looking in. If you've got a guy highly rated, especially at QB, you take him. There is no such thing as a reach as long as you're right.



Except for a scout for the Jets who was pounding the table for him in the first round (I think Bradway was his name), but no one listened to him.



EXACTLY!



No.

You don't have to just take a shot. When you just take a shot, you're going to end up with Darnold, or Trubisky, or Gabbert, or whatever bust you want to choose.

YOU HAVE TO HAVE A GOOD SCOUTING DEPARTMENT, and you have to trust them.

Unlike the Jets who that Bradway guy pounding the table for Russell Wilson and everyone ignored that guy.



And? Everything you've just said is exactly my point. Should the Browns have drafted Mayfield and the Jets Darnold, and then Wilson? Because that's what you're condoning. Those were the teams that "took a shot."

Scouting QBs and getting it right isn't easy. People fail at it all the time. Using a shotgun scattershot approach isn't going to improve the odds. Except to put you in the 60% who are going to probably miss.

The Bears chose Trubisky and the Browns traded their pick to us and then the next year took Baker Mayfield. And then the Browns tried to MAKE Baker Mayfield a better choice than Deshaun Watson, but then ended up trading the farm for Deshaun Watson.

If you pick a guy just to pick a guy, you're screwed, and you may well move yourself out of position to take the guy when he becomes available.

You've got to do a good job scouting so that you pick the right guy. And you don't have to be picking #1 or #2 overall to get a great QB.

I'm not saying we shouldn't choose Stroud or Young. I'm just saying we shouldn't be drafting them just because they're QBs and we need one of those. Our coaching staff, our scouts, and front office have to be damned sure they're drafting "the guy" or at the very least, someone they can work with to develop into "the guy."
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Why do you assume the Bears took Trubisky just to take a shot? If that’s the guy they had graded at the top of their board then it is what it is. They didn’t just take a shot. And neither will anybody else who drafts Young, Stroud, AR or Levis, Hooker or anybody else for that matter. These NFL teams have done their homework and have their boards set. They believe what they believe and will make their picks accordingly.

In the end it may bring into question ability to evaluate talent and the processes being used by teams, but I don’t think anybody is just taking a shot.
 
Speedy said:
Why do you assume the Bears took Trubisky just to take a shot? If that’s the guy they had graded at the top of their board then it is what it is. They didn’t just take a shot. And neither will anybody else who drafts Young, Stroud, AR or Levis, Hooker or anybody else for that matter. These NFL teams have done their homework and have their boards set. They believe what they believe and will make their picks accordingly.

In the end it may bring into question ability to evaluate talent and the processes being used by teams, but I don’t think anybody is just taking a shot.
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Tell that to the people saying we have to just take a shot.
 
The1ApplePie said:
The AFC South with their three young franchise QBs... and the Texans
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Were rebuilding. Jesus you guys are impatient. Drafting a QB just because the fans really want one would get us exactly what
powda said:
I think NC wants qb and DR wants defense. Cal will be the tie breaker with tickets in mind, so we're getting a qb.

After months of debate there is still no consensus in the front office? Isn't that cause for concern going forward? Nick and Meco may not be gelling the way they portray...
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this would mean we’re still **** show. The McNairs need to let the people who they hired to run the foot operations do their job and stay out of the way.
 
powda said:
Agreed.


We should open a live draft thread @1830.

Let the sorrow and banning begin!
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Damn - I've been so glued to this thread, I missed the fact that @JB already did so a couple hours ago. Thank you sir!
 
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The Pencil Neck said:
"Reaching" is a concept defined by outsiders looking in. If you've got a guy highly rated, especially at QB, you take him. There is no such thing as a reach as long as you're right.



Except for a scout for the Jets who was pounding the table for him in the first round (I think Bradway was his name), but no one listened to him.



EXACTLY!



No.

You don't have to just take a shot. When you just take a shot, you're going to end up with Darnold, or Trubisky, or Gabbert, or whatever bust you want to choose.

YOU HAVE TO HAVE A GOOD SCOUTING DEPARTMENT, and you have to trust them.

Unlike the Jets who that Bradway guy pounding the table for Russell Wilson and everyone ignored that guy.



And? Everything you've just said is exactly my point. Should the Browns have drafted Mayfield and the Jets Darnold, and then Wilson? Because that's what you're condoning. Those were the teams that "took a shot."

Scouting QBs and getting it right isn't easy. People fail at it all the time. Using a shotgun scattershot approach isn't going to improve the odds. Except to put you in the 60% who are going to probably miss.

The Bears chose Trubisky and the Browns traded their pick to us and then the next year took Baker Mayfield. And then the Browns tried to MAKE Baker Mayfield a better choice than Deshaun Watson, but then ended up trading the farm for Deshaun Watson.

If you pick a guy just to pick a guy, you're screwed, and you may well move yourself out of position to take the guy when he becomes available.

You've got to do a good job scouting so that you pick the right guy. And you don't have to be picking #1 or #2 overall to get a great QB.

I'm not saying we shouldn't choose Stroud or Young. I'm just saying we shouldn't be drafting them just because they're QBs and we need one of those. Our coaching staff, our scouts, and front office have to be damned sure they're drafting "the guy" or at the very least, someone they can work with to develop into "the guy."
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Both Young and Stroud are considered good prospects, but you don't seem to like either one of them.

In 2017, there were no concensus of the top four QBs; some draft sites even had Mahomes outside of the top four.
It ended up as a crap shoot similar to 2018.

Clearly, the professionals don't get it right all the time.

But you want to wait for the sure thing?
When will the stars all aligned, please let me know.
 
Xopher said:
Everyone is missing the real dilemma. What are we going to do after this weekend and the week of bitching en masse?
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well I plan on continuing to ***** for several more weeks at minimum.. don't know about others but after years on MB I will not be alone.
 
mussop said:
Were rebuilding. Jesus you guys are impatient. Drafting a QB just because the fans really want one would get us exactly what
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Been rebuilding for two years. Currently have the worst starting QB in the NFL. Use the top pick on a QB. The only other option is to tank yet again, and hope you can out tank other teams. You can rebuild with a rookie QB. Most teams do, you aren't getting a QB at No. 1 overall with a great team.

People keep harping about building the defense, like this is still 2008 and you can eventually win it all with a great defense and an average QB.
 
76Texan said:
Both Young and Stroud are considered good prospects, but you don't seem to like either one of them.

In 2017, there were no concensus of the top four QBs; some draft sites even had Mahomes outside of the top four.
It ended up as a crap shoot similar to 2018.

Clearly, the professionals don't get it right all the time.

But you want to wait for the sure thing?
When will the stars all aligned, please let me know.
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Both Young and Stroud are considered "good" prospects, but not great ones. I've said over and over that whomever the Texans pick, I'll support. They need to get it right and if they like whichever guy falls to them, they should draft them.

If it was me, with my limited knowledge and my opinions and prejudices, I'd go defense and try to get more pieces in place because I'm not sold on either of these guys. Later in this draft, I'd pick up at least 1 QB - Hooker, Bennett, Tune, Haener. And then I'd take a look again next year to see if there were any QBs I could go get in the draft that I feel strongly about. I feel it's more important to build a great team than it is to take a shot on someone I don't feel is going to be a great QB.

And I've never talked about a consensus. A consensus is outside the building. That's draftniks and people whose careers aren't on the line. The GM has to make the right call or be out of a job.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
Both Young and Stroud are considered "good" prospects, but not great ones. I've said over and over that whomever the Texans pick, I'll support. They need to get it right and if they like whichever guy falls to them, they should draft them.

If it was me, with my limited knowledge and my opinions and prejudices, I'd go defense and try to get more pieces in place because I'm not sold on either of these guys. Later in this draft, I'd pick up at least 1 QB - Hooker, Bennett, Tune, Haener. And then I'd take a look again next year to see if there were any QBs I could go get in the draft that I feel strongly about. I feel it's more important to build a great team than it is to take a shot on someone I don't feel is going to be a great QB.

And I've never talked about a consensus. A consensus is outside the building. That's draftniks and people whose careers aren't on the line. The GM has to make the right call or be out of a job.
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Would have much preferred Anderson and passing on Stroud. And see where things stand around pick 7-10 for a possible stab the others. Or just bypass.
 
The1ApplePie said:
Been rebuilding for two years. Currently have the worst starting QB in the NFL. Use the top pick on a QB. The only other option is to tank yet again, and hope you can out tank other teams. You can rebuild with a rookie QB. Most teams do, you aren't getting a QB at No. 1 overall with a great team.

People keep harping about building the defense, like this is still 2008 and you can eventually win it all with a great defense and an average QB.
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You're also not going to win if you can't stop the other team from scoring. I just don't see CJ Stroud outdueling the top quarterbacks in the AFC. I don't see that with any of these quarterbacks tonight. They're all going to need a lot of help and a defense that can stop the other team.

The Texans are far from just needing a quarterback. They need everything. Should take the BPA at #2. That will not be a quarterback. If it was, I'd be the first one yelling from the rafters to pick him.
 
The1ApplePie said:
Been rebuilding for two years. Currently have the worst starting QB in the NFL. Use the top pick on a QB. The only other option is to tank yet again, and hope you can out tank other teams. You can rebuild with a rookie QB. Most teams do, you aren't getting a QB at No. 1 overall with a great team.

People keep harping about building the defense, like this is still 2008 and you can eventually win it all with a great defense and an average QB.
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Again this isn’t 2000. They’re is other ways of finding a QB in today’s NFL Than wasting a top 2 pick on a player you don’t 100% believe in.
 
It sounds like Anderson is the pick at #2.

For the #12 pick, I'd look at a trade down, Bijan Robinson, Christian Gonzalez, Keion White, Peter Skoronski, Lukas Van Ness or O'Cyrus Torrence in that order.
 
ben.aires.smith said:
Just going to leave this here...

https://twitter.com/x/status/1651732325112373248
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I’ve noticed a trend of media members making stories to appear the Texans are running around like the keystone cops this draft season with indecision and no direction.

I’ve also noticed that they have been the rare team that has not allowed anything to leak out aside from which prospect has visited and Caserio mentioning how one prospect did not take blame for his performance on a visit.

But yet these media members seem to somehow find “inside info” where there has been none to advance their agenda of making the Texans sound incompetent.
 
TheRealJoker said:
I’ve noticed a trend of media members making stories to appear the Texans are running around like the keystone cops this draft season with indecision and no direction.

I’ve also noticed that they have been the rare team that has not allowed anything to leak out aside from which prospect has visited and Caserio mentioning how one prospect did not take blame for his performance on a visit.

But yet these media members seem to somehow find “inside info” where there has been none to advance their agenda of making the Texans sound incompetent.
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In defense of the media, Cal sometimes makes the Texans look incompetent.
 
Comments on twitter change as fast as the wind, most, heck almost all lie for relevance. Take everything you hear as non-facts, get a drink, and enjoy the draft. Go Texans
 
The1ApplePie said:
Was listening to ESPN 9.75 (Gods I miss the Blitz). They pointed out how Cal and the Texan have been doing a PR blitz for the past year to try and resuscitate the flagging fanbase. Not getting a franchise QB completely kills that effort, especially with casual fans. Cal putting pressure on Nick to make a move.
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I Stroud is the pick, it won't be Caserio's.
 
pirbroke said:
Comments on twitter change as fast as the wind, most, heck almost all lie for relevance. Take everything you hear as non-facts, get a drink, and enjoy the draft. Go Texans
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For people who haven't used Twitter in a while, Blue Checks don't mean anything any more, they are just randos that bought them to get pushed to the top of feeds. Many official people don't have any check at all any more.
 
Xopher said:
Damnit if Cal or Hannah overrode the staff...
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Someone needed to keep Nick from blowing another high pick. Nick has done zero to give him the reins with such an important decision. Stroud is 100% the right decision in the moment. Nothing is guaranteed.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
Both Young and Stroud are considered "good" prospects, but not great ones. I've said over and over that whomever the Texans pick, I'll support. They need to get it right and if they like whichever guy falls to them, they should draft them.

If it was me, with my limited knowledge and my opinions and prejudices, I'd go defense and try to get more pieces in place because I'm not sold on either of these guys. Later in this draft, I'd pick up at least 1 QB - Hooker, Bennett, Tune, Haener. And then I'd take a look again next year to see if there were any QBs I could go get in the draft that I feel strongly about. I feel it's more important to build a great team than it is to take a shot on someone I don't feel is going to be a great QB.

And I've never talked about a consensus. A consensus is outside the building. That's draftniks and people whose careers aren't on the line. The GM has to make the right call or be out of a job.
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That's just your thought.

There are people who think Young deserves the no.1 pick, myself included.

www.pff.com

2023 NFL Draft Position Rankings: Quarterback

Alabama's Bryce Young and Kentucky's Will Levis headline PFF's 2023 NFL Draft quarterback rankings.
www.pff.com www.pff.com
 
TheRealJoker said:
I’ve noticed a trend of media members making stories to appear the Texans are running around like the keystone cops this draft season with indecision and no direction.

I’ve also noticed that they have been the rare team that has not allowed anything to leak out aside from which prospect has visited and Caserio mentioning how one prospect did not take blame for his performance on a visit.

But yet these media members seem to somehow find “inside info” where there has been none to advance their agenda of making the Texans sound incompetent.
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They don't know what the Texans are doing therefore the Texans (they want us to believe) don't know what they're doing.
 
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