What do you mean? The plan was for Lance to sit the first year. He had to play in 2 games because JimmyG got injured. He was the starter last year until he got hurt in the 2nd game.
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2023 TEXANS DRAFT DISCUSSION
- Thread starter gwallaia
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If you can trade down and get 5 and 20+ or 6 and 18+ you do it. You get Tyree or Anderson, a WR/Bijan, Hooker, and whatever else from the pick(s) you gained. If you don't want a WR/Bijan then pick up someone like Mingo later. Iosivas from Princeton, Bryce Ford-Wheaton. Use 12 on someone like Kancey if you go that route.
I'd rather have Anderson/Tyree, 12, Hooker than Stroud, WR.
I'd rather have Anderson/Tyree, 12, Hooker than Stroud, WR.
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Thorn
Dirty Old Man
Well, even with all my harassment of Casino, that's probably exactly what he should be saying right now.
Exactly half the league uses s2. two teams per division. From the long PFF interview.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
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Texian
Hall of Fame
This is exactly why DeMeco Ryans would be interested in bringing in a Shanahan/Lynch protege Adam Peters to be the Texan's new GM. Someone who understands the WCO/ZBS, can build a scouting department that speaks WCO/ZBS, someone who can negotiate a contract and manage the salary cap, can speak plain English and clean house of all things New England and the Belichick step and fetch it.
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Texian
Hall of Fame
TRANSLATION: I'm not familiar with S2, we are not that advanced, and our evaluations do not include cognitive thinking.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Watch how the media sources decipher and dissect the bleep out of this statement.
banned1976
sleeper mode
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
And none of those QBs (except Peyton) were bottom 3rd either. In fact they all were top 12 or better in passer rating those seasons. Again, except Peyton.
2012 - Flacco was 12th in PR, the Ravens offense was 10th in points, 16th yards.
2017 - Wentz actually powered that offense for 13 games. He was 4th in PR, the offense was 3rd in points and 7th in yards. Foles just had a Flacco like playoff run in a better offense than Flacco had.
2018 - Goff was 8th in PR. Rams offense was 2nd in both points and yards.
2019 - Jimmy G was 8th in PR, Niners offense was 2nd in points and 4th in yards.
So you actually do have to have good QB play, and no, it doesn't necessarily mean you need a top 10 QB, but that QB probably needs to play at a top 10 level in that particular season. To consistently be a contender though, a top 10 QB is pretty much a must.
banned1976
sleeper mode
You need (at least) a good offense, (at least) a good defense, a quarterback playing at least decent, and at least pretty good special teams to win a Super Bowl. There, I have solved the great question.
Porky
Hall of Fame
I think it’s time for the fan base to accept that it isn’t CJ. There is now so much smoke, I’m about to die of inhalation.
If they were sold on CJ they wouldn’t be making proactive calls. I trust Lance on this. Put that together with a giant list of other breadcrumbs left over the past couple of weeks, and it’s painfully obvious they aren’t taking CJ.
If Bryce falls to them, they are taking him. If he isn’t, which is likely, I think they want out if they can get a reasonable offer. If not, it’s probably Anderson, but I could see them taking a huge swing on Richardson or Levis, or upsetting the apple cart by going Tyree Wilson.
Not that it matters, but in terms of pass rush, I have Tyree Wilson above Anderson. I do think Anderson is the more polished, more well rounded player. I’d take Anderson, but wouldn’t be upset by Wilson either.
If they were sold on CJ they wouldn’t be making proactive calls. I trust Lance on this. Put that together with a giant list of other breadcrumbs left over the past couple of weeks, and it’s painfully obvious they aren’t taking CJ.
If Bryce falls to them, they are taking him. If he isn’t, which is likely, I think they want out if they can get a reasonable offer. If not, it’s probably Anderson, but I could see them taking a huge swing on Richardson or Levis, or upsetting the apple cart by going Tyree Wilson.
Not that it matters, but in terms of pass rush, I have Tyree Wilson above Anderson. I do think Anderson is the more polished, more well rounded player. I’d take Anderson, but wouldn’t be upset by Wilson either.
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
I've been preaching that for months.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Rumors got you all nutted up over there., Don’t believe the negative hype.
beerlover
Hall of Fame
Don’t forget master of the wardrobe.
While I agree about needing a good QB you can't ignore the defense's impact on a team.
Here is a comparison on the Chiefs 2018 & 2019 seasons
Statistically Mahomes was a better QB in 2018 than in 2019.
2018: 12-4 Record, 383-580 66.0% 5097 Yards, 50 TDs, started 16 games avg 3.1 TDs per game, Point Differential 565-421 = +144, Lost AFCCG
2019: 12-4 Record, 319-484 65.9% 4031 Yards, 26 TDs, started 14 games avg 1.8 TDs per game, Point Differential 451-308 = +143, SB Winner
He threw 24 more Tds in 2018. Some of this may be due to his injury in 2019 but he averaged 3.1 Tds per game in 2018 & 1.8 Tds per game in 2019. The Chiefs scored 114 more points in 2018 than 2019.
Yet the Chiefs finished with the same record both years & only outscored their opponents by 1 point more in 2018.
This is because their defense played much better in 2019 (at least in points allowed per game).
In 2018 the Chiefs were 25th in points allowed per game (24.8).
In 2019 the Chiefs were 7th in points allowed per game (18.5).
Like the old saying goes 'defense wins championships' & football is a team sport.
Porky
Hall of Fame
Do you think they are taking CJ baller? I did...but not anymore. Of course - contingent on the Panthers taking Bryce. I think it's universally accepted that if Bryce is there at 1.2, he's the pick.
banned1976
sleeper mode
I don't think it's just Stroud being a vehicle for driving the price down for the 2 spot. I think there's a genuine split on Wilson and Anderson within teams that are looking to upgrade their front 7. Some people within a team's organization may want Anderson but will be happy to wait for Wilson or vice versa.
I feel like there's a lot of that with multiple positional groups in this draft. Which should make for an exciting and unpredictable draft.
If Stroud was who many are saying he is, he would be driving the price of #2 up through the roof... think of the return Herschel Walker brought
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
Love Daniel's top 4 picks - would be pretty happy with those guys.
badboy
Hall of Fame
As it relates to the draft, Will Anderson has the same pizzazz as does Young. Surely a team could trade up for their QB but Atlanta or Detroit might want to jump AZ and Seattle to get their "Young " Will Anderson.
This would backstop the Texans leaning towards WA rather than Stroud. To increase pressure.
Does a team make a spectacular PR move with a jump like Carolina or just wring their hands wishing and hoping Tyree or Murphy or Nolan Smith is going to satisfy fans?
So far, Nick doing well allowing others to talk for him and roil the media waters.
This would backstop the Texans leaning towards WA rather than Stroud. To increase pressure.
Does a team make a spectacular PR move with a jump like Carolina or just wring their hands wishing and hoping Tyree or Murphy or Nolan Smith is going to satisfy fans?
So far, Nick doing well allowing others to talk for him and roil the media waters.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
This draft is firing up!
Crazy...!
TheRealJoker
Hall of Fame
What do you think would be a realistic trade package for Raiders moving from 7 to 2? Trade value chart has it at 1100 points different (equivalent to pick 14). If Texans can get their 2nd this year and 1st next year I would take that deal and run. But I doubt the Raiders want to part with their first next year.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
Finding a trade partner and get full value will be a hard go. If we can get a 1st and 2nd and 2nd next year would be a bargain for a trading team but finding one is the problem.
The1ApplePie
Hall of Fame
If you don't take a QB in the Top 3, you are pretty much admitting you are trying to tank in 2023. That would absolutely mean that Casserio gets fired. Could mean DeMeco gets fired, since the Texans purged their coaches two years in a row.
Big drop off from CJ and Young to Richardson, smaller drop off from AR15 to Levis and Hooker.
Big drop off from CJ and Young to Richardson, smaller drop off from AR15 to Levis and Hooker.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Porky I believe they will draft whoever is available. But if they decide to go with Will, I will be all in.
Like I said one person started that nonsense and the rest of the lazy journalist are just regurgitating.
Funny. By shopping the pick it tells me they couldn’t care less who the Panthers pick.
If it were me & we all know it ain’t, I’d target Levis at 12. If he’s there the Texans are getting a new QB. If not, they’re not.
I’m not drafting any of these guys in the top 10.
What did Chicago give up for Trubisky?
is Trubisky a better or worse prospect than Stroud?
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
Random draft thoughts:
1-just as Kubiak promised to improve Carr to get a job here, did slowik promise to fix Mills? "Mills has more talent then Purdy. Look what we pulled off. Our system can make any qb top half or better in the league..." And in a worst "case" scenario, there's Case
. Matt Ryan, Bridgwater, and Wentz are all still available.
2-Are the Texans gauging cj's value and tanking him because they don't want him with the #2 pick, they think he might still be there with the #12 pick?
Thanks. I'll hang up and listen...
1-just as Kubiak promised to improve Carr to get a job here, did slowik promise to fix Mills? "Mills has more talent then Purdy. Look what we pulled off. Our system can make any qb top half or better in the league..." And in a worst "case" scenario, there's Case
. Matt Ryan, Bridgwater, and Wentz are all still available.2-Are the Texans gauging cj's value and tanking him because they don't want him with the #2 pick, they think he might still be there with the #12 pick?
Thanks. I'll hang up and listen...
I think they are okay with 1 or 2 honestly. If they trade back and picked up picks and Tyree or Anderson are gone, but AR15, Stroud, or Levis are there they might grab one. I also think they are okay trading back and getting Tyree or Anderson and not drafting a QB this year. If they stay at 2 and Bryce is gone and they don't have a good trade back offer I think they will draft Anderson/Tyree.Random draft thoughts:
1-just as Kubiak promised to improve Carr to get a job here, did slowik promise to fix Mills? "Mills has more talent then Purdy. Look what we pulled off. Our system can make any qb top half or better in the league..." And in a worst "case" scenario, there's Case
2-Are the Texans gauging cj's value and tanking him because they don't want him with the #2 pick, they think he might still be there with the #12 pick?
Thanks. I'll hang up and listen...
My belief, with nothing to back this up, is they want to trade out of two, be able to pick up Anderson/Tyree or one of the top 3 QBs left. They all have larger flaws than Bryce. I think their flaws are equal, but different. QBs are a bigger crap shoot than any other position.
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
And they were in the AFC Championship Game in '18. And Mahomes was still a top tier QB both of those seasons. And the KC defense was 16th in points allowed this past season and they still won the SB. So you kinda made my point.
Of course it's a team sport. No one can do it on their own. And anyone can put together an individual season if everything falls the right way. But you won't be consistently in the mix like that. If you want to contend on a consistent basis, you need a top end QB.
Peyton had the Colts in the mix damn near every year he was in the league. The second he was out, the Colts sucked. So much so they lucked into Luck. Granted, he only won 1 SB with them. Rodgers only won 1 SB, Brees, etc, but that just shows you it's hard to win in the playoffs. Those are all good teams. But you don't have the chance to win if you're not there, and those teams were there year in and year out.
The Jets had a nice 2 year run with Butt Fumble at QB because of a great supporting cast. That didn't last very long because it's harder to maintain that. There's way too much player movement. And look at the Jets. They put something together every so often that will last maybe a year or 2, then it's back to the doldrums. Because they don't have that top end QB. Haven't probably since Namath. The Bills have pretty much been a nothing burger in their time between Kelly and Allen.
You've gotta have a QB. Not saying you're guaranteed Lombardi's if you do, but you'll be a team that maybe has thing's fall the right way on occasion, but mostly middling to bad if you don't.
I really hope we are not cutting off our nose to spite our face ...... Really !!