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2023 TEXANS DRAFT DISCUSSION

ben.aires.smith said:
"If I’m a GM, I’m scared to death of drafting him.” said McShay."

WTF? McShay has been pumping Young the hardest out of any of the draftniks this offseason, famously comparing him to Patrick Mahomes. So 1.5" under his listed height of 6'0 scares him now? Everyone and their mom new Young was some degree under 6'0. It was obvious.
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I feel like it's perfectly reasonable.

He's certainly been pumping up Young's traits and his talent and his tape and his resume, etc. But, to my understanding at least, he's saying that if he had a multi-million dollar job that carried with it the make or break decision of drafting Bryce Young and his one glaring concerning issue that he'd be scared at the prospect of it actually becoming a very real problem.

He's not scared to death of anything he's said glowingly about Young. He's not contradicting anything. He's just honestly acknowledging the 5'10 190 lb elephant in the room if it were him tasked with making that call.
 
Mollywhopper said:
Or you draft to the strength of any particular player among those available when you select.

If one class of a position has 50 available players and they're all A- prospects versus another class that has one A+ prospect and a bunch of C- prospects would you rather have the A+ or one of the A-'s?
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Which one is that?
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1630294179803701250
Murray measured out at actually 5-foot-10 1/8 inches at the Combine.

And look at their build difference.
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I guess we're at the point of regurgitating previous posts. Man, do we need the combine for some new material.

ben.aires.smith said:
"If I’m a GM, I’m scared to death of drafting him.” said McShay."

WTF? McShay has been pumping Young the hardest out of any of the draftniks this offseason, famously comparing him to Patrick Mahomes. So 1.5" under his listed height of 6'0 scares him now? Everyone and their mom new Young was some degree under 6'0. It was obvious.
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This is the entire quote that the sentence was pulled from:

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“I love Bryce Young, I really do,” McShay says. “I know he’s 195 pounds; a really good friend of mine who’s a scout had him at 5’10½”. But I met with him, I’ve talked to him. He’s special. He’s different. He has the poise, the presence in the pocket, the playmaking, everything else you want. I absolutely love Bryce Young. I would bet on him.”
In his next breath, McShay concedes, “If I’m a GM, I’m scared to death of drafting him.”
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CloakNNNdagger said:
But they need to restructure it if doing so. To go back in history................From 1991 to 2010, the NFL had required teams to designate on their game-day roster an emergency third quarterback who, if they entered before the fourth quarter, would deem the team’s first two quarterbacks ineligible to play the rest of the game. The league subsequently did away with that rule and instead expanded game-day rosters from 45 players to 46. Teams were no longer required to provide tertiary depth at quarterback, instead free to choose whether to continue to carry three quarterbacks, or to devote that spot to depth at another perhaps injury-laden position such as lineman. The result................teams rarely carry a third active quarterback in games.
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Bet Lil Shanny carries 3 QB's regardless of whether they change the rule or not.
 
Lucky said:
My greatest fear is being in an old folks home, with Kathy Bates as my nurse.

My 2nd greatest fear is watching Bryce Young in a Colts uniform beating the Texans for the next decade.
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i hear ya brother. Sometimes it seems that only you and I see special when looking at Young but I would rather eat a crap ton of crow than watch him zing bullets around Indy for the next decade. In other words, we agree.
 
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Porky said:
i hear ya brother. Sometimes it seems that only you and I see special when looking at Young but I would rather eat a crap ton of crow than watch him zing bullets around Indy for the next decade. In other words, we agree.
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I think I want them to pick Young for the sole purpose of knowing which ones of us are wrong and right about him.
If he's drafted by another team and succeeds, we'll always wonder how badly the Texans would have F'd him up.
I need to know
 
ben.aires.smith said:
"If I’m a GM, I’m scared to death of drafting him.” said McShay."

WTF? McShay has been pumping Young the hardest out of any of the draftniks this offseason, famously comparing him to Patrick Mahomes. So 1.5" under his listed height of 6'0 scares him now? Everyone and their mom new Young was some degree under 6'0. It was obvious.
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Kid can play. He’s special. Can’t deny it. Best QB in this class. Love him, love him, love him.

But if it’s my job on the line… nope, can’t do it.
 
Texansphan said:
If it's a realistic scenario, I'll consider it.
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Well basically, there is one A+ DT in this draft, and maybe two A- DT's. The drop off after that is huge. On the other hand, the TE class is pretty deep. You can still get a starting level TE on day 3, but if you don't get your DT in the first couple of rounds, you aren't likely to get one that will make much of a difference.
 
vtech9 said:
Well basically, there is one A+ DT in this draft, and maybe two A- DT's. The drop off after that is huge. On the other hand, the TE class is pretty deep. You can still get a starting level TE on day 3, but if you don't get your DT in the first couple of rounds, you aren't likely to get one that will make much of a difference.
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I look at things a little differently although I get where you're coming from. I want difference makers and I'm not really looking for bargains.

If it's me I pass on QB and draft Carter and then either one of Van Ness/Sanders/White at 1-12.

Then draft a TE because I think one of the top 4 falls to 2-33. If I have to trade back into the 2nd to get speed like Achane I do it.

There's 4 difference makers. That's what I'm looking for. A guy who I've been checking out is Tillman, I'm checking him out before he hurt his ankle. It looked to me like he was a 4.4 guy before injury and a 4.6 guy when he came back from injury. He's definitely got the build to be a successful WCO WR. He's a really good blocker for a WR.
 
steelbtexan said:
I look at things a little differently although I get where you're coming from. I want difference makers and I'm not really looking for bargains.

If it's me I pass on QB and draft Carter and then either one of Van Ness/Sanders/White at 1-12.

Then draft a TE because I think one of the top 4 falls to 2-33. If I have to trade back into the 2nd to get speed like Achane I do it.

There's 4 difference makers. That's what I'm looking for. A guy who I've been checking out is Tillman, I'm checking him out before he hurt his ankle. It looked to me like he was a 4.4 guy before injury and a 4.6 guy when he came back from injury. He's definitely got the build to be a successful WCO WR. He's a really good blocker for a WR.
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If we did this, Ryans will completely turn around the defense in no time. Still think we need an Alpha WR though.
 
ben.aires.smith said:
If we did this, Ryans will completely turn around the defense in no time. Still think we need an Alpha WR though.
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That will come in the better 2024 WR draft or by trade. Cant fix everything in one draft. BTW, I'm adding a vet center in FA. Add a guy on the cheap like Brunskill that can play C/OG and hope a center that you like falls to the 3rd.

I cant wait to see what Van Ness/Sanders/White do at the combine, another guy who's really fast and a difference maker that you can draft in the 3rd/4th rd is RB Mitchell from East Carolina. He's Achane light.
 
I’m not drafting a 5’10” QB without a thick build with a top 5 NFL draft pick. Sorry way too much risk especially with us not having a ton around him on offense. Let someone else draft him that high. We have so many holes we need a sure fire high level starter if we draft high. If he succeeds and stays healthy good on them. If there are no sure fire QBs in Caserio’s eyes when we pick at 2 (no don’t trade up!!!!) then I’m all for trading out or going BPA and banking on stinking again and using next year’s draft capital to get one of the 2 top QBs which the experts say are better than this year’s QBs. Continue to build the team smartly. Small dude without much around him screams mistake to me.
 
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steelbtexan said:
I look at things a little differently although I get where you're coming from. I want difference makers and I'm not really looking for bargains.

If it's me I pass on QB and draft Carter and then either one of Van Ness/Sanders/White at 1-12.

Then draft a TE because I think one of the top 4 falls to 2-33. If I have to trade back into the 2nd to get speed like Achane I do it.

There's 4 difference makers. That's what I'm looking for. A guy who I've been checking out is Tillman, I'm checking him out before he hurt his ankle. It looked to me like he was a 4.4 guy before injury and a 4.6 guy when he came back from injury. He's definitely got the build to be a successful WCO WR. He's a really good blocker for a WR.
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I know people are high on Van Ness, and I like him, but he's like my 5th rated DT at best. He's a lunch pail guy. He's a hard worker, but he's not going to be a standout. As a college player, he's good against other college players, but he's nothing special. He's a power rusher with little in the way of shake, but he doesn't have the type of power needed to be more than a rotational player in the NFL. If he's able to add another 30+ pounds of Muscle, and figure out how to be more athletic, then sure, go get him....in the 2nd or 3rd round, not at 1.12. He's just not explosive enough for a pass-rush DE.

Sanders is a smaller pass rush DE or 3/4 OLB. I don't believe he will be able to hold up against the run as a DE. He's not a coverage LB, so he would be a luxury, pass-rush specialist for us, and that's not what I'm looking for. At least not in the first round. Not in the 2nd either, because we need other things first.

Not sure which White you are talking about.
 
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Lucky said:
I guess we're at the point of regurgitating previous posts. Man, do we need the combine for some new material.


This is the entire quote that the sentence was pulled from:

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Announcing the Cotton Bowl, McShay said that Jevan Snead (RIP) was a surefire 1st rounder. Snead declared for the draft early and went undrafted.
 
Texian said:
Announcing the Cotton Bowl, McShay said that Jevan Snead (RIP) was a surefire 1st rounder. Snead declared for the draft early and went undrafted.
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Great point. Because it's only McShay that thinks Bryce Young will be an outstanding pro.
 
vtech9 said:
Well basically, there is one A+ DT in this draft, and maybe two A- DT's. The drop off after that is huge. On the other hand, the TE class is pretty deep. You can still get a starting level TE on day 3, but if you don't get your DT in the first couple of rounds, you aren't likely to get one that will make much of a difference.
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DTs are usually valued a little lower which is why they tend to slip down to the lower rounds.
Some nice DL are to be found later a la DJ Reader.
 
You can find a diamond in the rough occasionally, but beyond Carter, Kancey, and Mazi Smith, the DT class isn't that strong this year. I had high hopes for Ika early in the season, but the more I saw him play, the more disappointed I became. He was slow, and just looked out of shape. Ika is still my 4th rated DT in this draft, but I'd probably push him down to the 3rd.
 
I'm still in the Carter or trade down camp. I like Will Anderson, but I also like Myles Murphy and Tyree Wilson, so if we can't get Carter, I'd be more than happy to trade down a few picks and get either Murphy or Wilson....or even WR Quentin Johnston if for some reason all 4 of those guys are off the board. If that happens, I'm also trying to trade down from 1.12 to later in the 1st round, and looking at BJ Ojulari, Zach Harrison, or Keion White at DE, or grabbing Calijah Kancey or Mazi Smith at DT. With the 2nd round pick, I'm going IOL with O'Cyrus Torrence, John Michael Schmitz, Cody Mauch, or maybe Luke Wypler or Steve Avila.
 
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I just discovered that Bryce Young's shoulder injury last Oct not only included an A/C separation and a mild rotator cuff injury, but that he also suffered a shoulder joint subluxation on that play........an injury that has gotten no play by the media.............and has significant prognostic implications.

While sometimes the symptoms of subluxation are mild, it can potentially lead to long term problems including recurrence, full dislocation, rotator cuff injury and arthritis. Shoulder subluxation is defined as partial or incomplete dislocation of the glenohumeral (shoulder) joint or displacement of the humeral head (the ball of the joint) and glenoid fossa (the socket of the joint) while the humeral head is in contact with the glenoid fossa. The weakness of rotator cuff muscles or laxity of the glenohumeral ligaments causes the humeral head (the ball of the joint) to slip out of the glenoid fossa (the socket of the joint) easily and results in glenohumeral (shoulder joint) subluxation.

When a subluxation occurs, the labrum is not uncommonly torn from the bone and the capsule is stretched. These injuries can cause recurrent instability. During the Combine, there will be concentrated attention especially to the condition of his labrum.

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The shoulder joint's stability depends on the labrum, but just as importantly if not more so, the surrounding muscles including the rotator cuff muscles to protect it . Looking a Young's muscle development casts further doubt in my mind on his ability to avoid further shoulder (amongst other) issues in his NFL future.
 
Texansballer74 said:
UNC Speaking Facts!

https://twitter.com/x/status/1630585553547853825
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I agree with him. If he's not successful, it won't be because of his height.

Curious though. He's talking about "somebody" was throwing the ball at Alabama, yada, yada, yada... as if. Who are the other great QBs to come out of Alabama? I understand all the qualifications, I'm just saying the way he's broaching the subject, it's like he's saying, "He played well at Alabama, he'll be successful in the NFL & we know that's just not the case."
 
banned1976 said:
I get that "all GM's are blowing smoke" this time of year. That said, last year leading up to the draft I started reading more and more about the Texans drafting Stingley at #3 and that's exactly what they did. Right now, it sounds like the Texans are staying put at #2.
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This is what I heard also, but that also fits my anti-trade up agenda. Carstereo also he is not worried about draft trades until April.
 
vtech9 said:
I know people are high on Van Ness, and I like him, but he's like my 5th rated DT at best. He's a lunch pail guy. He's a hard worker, but he's not going to be a standout. As a college player, he's good against other college players, but he's nothing special. He's a power rusher with little in the way of shake, but he doesn't have the type of power needed to be more than a rotational player in the NFL. If he's able to add another 30+ pounds of Muscle, and figure out how to be more athletic, then sure, go get him....in the 2nd or 3rd round, not at 1.12. He's just not explosive enough for a pass-rush DE.

Sanders is a smaller pass rush DE or 3/4 OLB. I don't believe he will be able to hold up against the run as a DE. He's not a coverage LB, so he would be a luxury, pass-rush specialist for us, and that's not what I'm looking for. At least not in the first round. Not in the 2nd either, because we need other things first.

Not sure which White you are talking about.
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Van Ness is 21 years old
I want to see how he tests. He's only scratched the surface of what he can be.

Last year was Sanders 1st year to EVER play LB. He played TE on highschool so he should be able to learn to cover and should be better with better talent around him, there wasn't a lot of talent on the Hogs defense. He should be an ascending player.

Keion White DE Georgia Tech, has all of the measurables you could ever dream of. Best football should be ahead of him too
 
steelbtexan said:
Van Ness is 21 years old
I want to see how he tests. He's only scratched the surface of what he can be.

Last year was Sanders 1st year to EVER play LB. He played TE on highschool so he should be able to learn to cover and should be better with better talent around him, there wasn't a lot of talent on the Hogs defense. He should be an ascending player.

Keion White DE Georgia Tech, has all of the measurables you could ever dream of. Best football should be ahead of him too
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But Van Ness and Sanders aren't there yet, and there's no guarantee they ever will be, so I'm not spending a 1st round pick on them.

Keion White is an option for me in a trade down situation if we can't get one of the other DE's. I'd take White late in the first round. Normally, I would say 2nd round for White, but I think there will be a run on DE's, and he may not make it to the 2nd.
 
zshawn10 said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1630644035068018697
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Again, the Texans are not trading up. The can't put together the type of offer other teams can behind them with less leverage, unless they overpay (or unless the Bears somehow want Cooks, which they probably don't). And that means, Caserio puts his job on the line x 2 if he misses on the QB top pick AND gives up a bunch of draft assets by overpaying relative to draft position. Can't see that happening in a year there's no QB consensus. Caserio isn't a gambler like that.

All this talk about Texans trading up coming from craprag media like the WheelHouse on YouTube are just clickbait noise.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
I just discovered that Bryce Young's shoulder injury last Oct not only included an A/C separation and a mild rotator cuff injury, but that he also suffered a shoulder joint subluxation on that play........an injury that has gotten no play by the media.............and has significant prognostic implications.

While sometimes the symptoms of subluxation are mild, it can potentially lead to long term problems including recurrence, full dislocation, rotator cuff injury and arthritis. Shoulder subluxation is defined as partial or incomplete dislocation of the glenohumeral (shoulder) joint or displacement of the humeral head (the ball of the joint) and glenoid fossa (the socket of the joint) while the humeral head is in contact with the glenoid fossa. The weakness of rotator cuff muscles or laxity of the glenohumeral ligaments causes the humeral head (the ball of the joint) to slip out of the glenoid fossa (the socket of the joint) easily and results in glenohumeral (shoulder joint) subluxation.

When a subluxation occurs, the labrum is not uncommonly torn from the bone and the capsule is stretched. These injuries can cause recurrent instability. During the Combine, there will be concentrated attention especially to the condition of his labrum.

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The shoulder joint's stability depends on the labrum, but just as importantly if not more so, the surrounding muscles including the rotator cuff muscles to protect it . Looking a Young's muscle development casts further doubt in my mind on his ability to avoid further shoulder (amongst other) issues in his NFL future.
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You can only get this kind of information from Doc. This is why we love him.
 
banned1976 said:
I get that "all GM's are blowing smoke" this time of year. That said, last year leading up to the draft I started reading more and more about the Texans drafting Stingley at #3 and that's exactly what they did. Right now, it sounds like the Texans are staying put at #2.
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This is what Caserio said today, they are focused on the #2 pick in the draft. I can't imagine DeMeco being interested in anyone else but Anderson (Alabama alum) and Jalen Carter. One thing he should've have learned from Kyle and the 49ers is you don't have to have a GREAT QB to be successful, with the right pieces in place a good one will do.
 
ben.aires.smith said:
Again, the Texans are not trading up. The can't put together the type of offer other teams can behind them with less leverage, unless they overpay (or unless the Bears somehow want Cooks, which they probably don't). And that means, Caserio puts his job on the line x 2 if he misses on the QB top pick AND gives up a bunch of draft assets by overpaying relative to draft position. Can't see that happening in a year there's no QB consensus. Caserio isn't a gambler like that.

All this talk about Texans trading up coming from craprag media like the WheelHouse on YouTube are just clickbait noise.
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One interesting twist is if Tunsil is part of the deal.
 
Texian said:
This is what Caserio said today, they are focused on the #2 pick in the draft. I can't imagine DeMeco being interested in anyone else but Anderson (Alabama alum) and Jalen Carter. One thing he should've have learned from Kyle and the 49ers is you don't have to have a GREAT QB to be successful, with the right pieces in place a good one will do.
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But in order to win a super bowl, you need at least a pretty good quarterback. Hopefully they'll get a great one...next year.
 
GanadoUHCoog said:
I’m not drafting a 5’10” QB without a thick build with a top 5 NFL draft pick. Sorry way too much risk especially with us not having a ton around him on offense. Let someone else draft him that high. We have so many holes we need a sure fire high level starter if we draft high. If he succeeds and stays healthy good on them. If there are no sure fire QBs in Caserio’s eyes when we pick at 2 (no don’t trade up!!!!) then I’m all for trading out or going BPA and banking on stinking again and using next year’s draft capital to get one of the 2 top QBs which the experts say are better than this year’s QBs. Continue to build the team smartly. Small dude without much around him screams mistake to me.
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Why will we "not have much around him"? Have you read any of the mocks and free agency info that several of us have provided? Please accept this as a 'nice' criticism in that you post a comment that has been discussed almost ad nauseum for weeks.

It almost seems like your gone a time, pop in and dump your thought/opinion and then you're gone again.

For example it appears from minimal info that Caserio or higher ups believe there are 'sure fire' QBs at 1.2.
 
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But in order to win a super bowl, you need at least a pretty good quarterback. Hopefully they'll get a great one...next year.
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That's debatable. I mean, Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson, Joe Flacco, and Nick Foles all won a Super Bowl. And then there was also that undrafted grocery store clerk that won a Super Bowl, but Kurt Warner actually turned out to be pretty good.

The list of Super Bowl losing QB's has some pretty "MEH" QB's.
 
Texian said:
You can only get this kind of information from Doc. This is why we love him.
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I am happy we have an actual medical Dr as a big Texans fan and one who really enjoys contributing and I think he adds a ton to this forum. So major Kudos to Doc and his research is relevant and you can be sure all teams will dive into that shoulder intently.

That said, he's still human and prone to his own biases and so forth. He seems to be putting all of his "research" into finding out what health/injury concerns Young has. I'm just wondering if he's putting in the time on any of the other top QB prospects or other top prospects generally. What about Stroud, Levis, et al. Are they clean as a whistle?
 
vtech9 said:
I know people are high on Van Ness, and I like him, but he's like my 5th rated DT at best. He's a lunch pail guy. He's a hard worker, but he's not going to be a standout. As a college player, he's good against other college players, but he's nothing special. He's a power rusher with little in the way of shake, but he doesn't have the type of power needed to be more than a rotational player in the NFL. If he's able to add another 30+ pounds of Muscle, and figure out how to be more athletic, then sure, go get him....in the 2nd or 3rd round, not at 1.12. He's just not explosive enough for a pass-rush DE.

Sanders is a smaller pass rush DE or 3/4 OLB. I don't believe he will be able to hold up against the run as a DE. He's not a coverage LB, so he would be a luxury, pass-rush specialist for us, and that's not what I'm looking for. At least not in the first round. Not in the 2nd either, because we need other things first.

Not sure which White you are talking about.
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Just to clarify this last season at Arkansas he played at middle linebacker with a 103 tackles and 5 passes defended. Dick Butkiss winner.
 
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