badboy
Hall of Fame
Oh
. I want him and Maybe he now will be at our round 4 as i project.
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2023 TEXANS DRAFT DISCUSSION
- Thread starter gwallaia
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. I want him and Maybe he now will be at our round 4 as i project.You know I was really being a bit of a smart-azz because I doubt that wonderlic scores are that important generally speaking but
maybe somewhat relevant for QBs ?
I seem to recall that there's been some awfully good QBs, quite successful in the league, who got embarrassingly low scores.
Imagine if a college QB had been a 2x National Champion with a Championship game MVP, a Heisman trophy, won 48 games as a starter with over 9k passing yards and a 88:16 td-int ratio..
and he also ran for nearly 3k yards with an additional 57 tds..
badboy
Hall of Fame
For me hard to say playing with injures. We've experience with QB and turf toe.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Yeah but I'm not that interested in broad jump.
Not true, go back and checkout his 2021 highlights against Louisville. He played most of last yr with turf toe. That's a really painful injury to play QB with.
LOL,
I dont think that's the problem either.
He sometimes makes mistakes forcing the ball trying to make plays when his team is behind. (Where have we seen this before?) He also needs to become more aware of pressure around him when he's in the pocket. This leads to his fumbling issues.
I'm not real big on the dual threat QBs. I prefer one who is mobile enough to move in the pocket or do bootlegs, etc. I want my franchise QB to last 15+ years. These dual threat guys will be lucky to get 10 years in the league.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Ouch.. you left out Rashee Rice
You'd better hope Bryce Young finds success in the NFL with the way y'all are fan-boying for him.
Because if he doesn't, it has a Texian/Bortles vibe that you'll get to enjoy for years to come. People are still giving him crap from a draft almost a decade ago.
TexanBorn51
All Pro
Yep good one too
TexanBorn51
All Pro
turf toe or not he's hard to bring down with that size
it's only one highlight levis or not it was a great run
TheRealJoker
Hall of Fame
I agree. And keep going TE in the simulators at that slot for this reason. I see ten year starters of those TEs. Not a bad value at 2-33!
TexanBorn51
All Pro
yep sometimes teams have great TEs that carry the weight or replacement for an average WR/passing scheme
This is how I hope Ryans/Caserio look at the draft.
I only hope Young finds success if he becomes a Texan. Selfish that way.
TheRealJoker
Hall of Fame
It has been working for KC.
If it's not the NFL, and I've been told it doesn't count.
That running around in the backfield won’t work in the NFL.
TexanBorn51
All Pro
yep several teams had outstanding TEs more so or just as close as than their WRs
to name a few
Tyreek and ANdrews Njoku Ertz
Novacek
Kelce
Gronk
Witten
Ditka
Ozzie Newsome
Sharpe
Gates
Tony Gonzales
Capser and Mackey
Christensen
...
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
At the next owners meeting, there will be reopened discussion about the 3rd QB rule. Strategies could alter.
My favorite Raiders back in the day were Raymond Chester/Tatum/Houston's own Cliff Branch. Branch was a 100 meter champ back in the day and a multiple time all pro WR. One of the best in his time. RIP Mr. Branch
They really do need to bring back this rule.
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
Yes, they do. It's crazy not to have it. There's no reason for it.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
You have to draft to the strength of the position groups. Take a good blocking TE at #33 and you get a day 1 starter who can help the Oline and be a big target for your QB.
Yep, draft Schmitz/Washington and watch Pierce roam.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
You need to add Bennie Joppru to the list of big promising TEs [traded with the Patriots and taken in rnd 2 #41........Gronk was taken 7 years later in rnd 2 #42]...........
Fueling the offensive fire
Apr 25, 2003 at 07:00 PM
Sometimes adding a week onto the NFL season pays dividends. In the Texans case, the trek to Mobile, Alabama to coach the Senior Bowl was probably the best college scouting jaunt in 2002.
Head coach Dom Capers and his staff spent one week with their squad, learning each man's behavior on and off the field. An impressive tight end on the field and in the meeting room, the Texans scouting group had their collective eye on Michigan tight end Ben Joppru. In an upcoming season where beefing up the Houston offense was a priority, Joppru fit right into the mix.
Joppru, the Texans second round (41st overall) selection, accumulated 85 catches for 800 yards and eight TDs during his career in Michigan.
The staff got their wish today in the second round of the 2003 NFL Draft. Not only did they obtain a 230-pound wide receiver in
Andre Johnson, but quarterback David Carr will have another substantial target to hit with the 260-pound Joppru navigating the turf.
After assessing the draft board at the beginning of the second round, the Texans accepted a trade offer from New England that they felt would allow them to keep Joppru at arm's length by swapping their second round (36th overall) and 4th round (117th overall) choices to drop five spots to New England's 41st overall while gaining an additional third round (75th overall) pick.
"Bennie Joppru was the first player we would've taken had we stayed at our pick," Texans general manager Charley Casserly said. "Our feeling was that we could move back and switch the fourth for the third and put us in a position to get a player that we had rated as a quality player in the second round."
Joppru's combined speed and good blocking abilities seemed like a good balance when thrown into the mix with Texans' veteran tight end Billy Miller.
"I think he's a different style of tight end than Billy Miller," Capers said. I feel that we're getting a tight end that's a very good blocker with outstanding size and a good receiver.
"He's a solid, blue-collar work ethic type-of-guy. He is really a quality individual that will fit in well with Billy Miller and Jabari Holloway."
Joppru really started to become an impact player for the Wolverines during his senior campaign, when he hauled in 53 receptions for 579 yards and five TDs. His 53 catches ranked second on the school's season-record list for tight ends, topped only by Jack Clancy (76 in 1966).
Scouts were impressed with his multi-touchdown games at Illinois, where he had seven catches for 74 yards including scores of six and 27 yards to help Michigan to a dominating 45-28 victory.
While Joppru provided a stable and effective target for the Wolverine's short-passing game, the Texans coaching staff wanted to add a player with his work ethic to the Houston squad.
"We get a chance to observe young men when they're in meetings and on the practice field and our second tight end was out for a couple days with a pulled hamstring," Capers said about the week at the Senior Bowl. "Bennie Joppru had to take over almost every repetition and he worked until his tongue hung out. I was really impressed with the way he handled it and didn't complain and worked his tail off."* *
Both Joppru and Johnson will be a immediate, impact players in a soon-to-be re-vamped Texans offense that finished last season ranked last in the NFL.
"I
think the two picks that we had today are at tough-skilled positions
and I feel very good about both players giving us more flexibility
on offense," Capers said.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
Will have to wait until his pro day.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
Or CJ Stroud.
Texian
Hall of Fame
I think the low scores have more relevance than the high scores. Can they read and comprehend a playbook? Vince Young's 6.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
But they need to restructure it if doing so. To go back in history................From 1991 to 2010, the NFL had required teams to designate on their game-day roster an emergency third quarterback who, if they entered before the fourth quarter, would deem the team’s first two quarterbacks ineligible to play the rest of the game. The league subsequently did away with that rule and instead expanded game-day rosters from 45 players to 46. Teams were no longer required to provide tertiary depth at quarterback, instead free to choose whether to continue to carry three quarterbacks, or to devote that spot to depth at another perhaps injury-laden position such as lineman. The result................teams rarely carry a third active quarterback in games.
I think it’s always been about “why” the joker went off script. Were the receivers covered, is the Center a turnstile, or did the QB not know the play as well as he thought?
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Keep in mind that today teams are still allowed three quarterbacks in uniform for both regular season and playoff games. But, as mentioned above, rarely do teams utilize that third spot, considering the likelihood of running through two quarterbacks is slim.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Or were there roaring footsteps in the QB's head.
You ready to dump DeMeco already? I’m down if we can leave Caserio too.
TheRealJoker
Hall of Fame
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If you were Bryce You would you want to be picked by the Bears/Texans or the Colts/Seahawks?
I can get past 2-3 years in the 2nd/3rd round a lot easier than the body of a 15 year old kid at the top of the 1st.
Can he play TE?
badboy
Hall of Fame
I am biased as I think Texans will vastly improve with next two off seasons and so Houston.
KoolAid Sipper
AFCEVET
So you're not concerned about a QB (Maye) coming from a Mack Brown coached squad?
Or you draft to the strength of any particular player among those available when you select.
If one class of a position has 50 available players and they're all A- prospects versus another class that has one A+ prospect and a bunch of C- prospects would you rather have the A+ or one of the A-'s?
vtech9
All Pro
And with a 3rd round TE. San Fran. was having success with a 5th round TE. If this is as deep of a draft for TE's as people are saying, it means we can get a decent TE later in the draft, and focus on bigger needs earlier. You know, like DT, DE, LB, Center, OG, Safety, WR?
TexanBorn51
All Pro
Wow idnk interesting yep. ah yes and then there was for Houston - Casper n Barber Oilers. brings back memories and Texans Owen Daniels. Oilers liked the two TEs formation mostly run blocking alignment tho if I memba then throw tyler rose into the mix no? luv ya blueYou need to add Bennie Joppru to the list of big promising TEs [traded with the Patriots and taken in rnd 2 #41........Gronk was taken 7 years later in rnd 2 #42]...........
Fueling the offensive fire
Apr 25, 2003 at 07:00 PM
Sometimes adding a week onto the NFL season pays dividends. In the Texans case, the trek to Mobile, Alabama to coach the Senior Bowl was probably the best college scouting jaunt in 2002.
Head coach Dom Capers and his staff spent one week with their squad, learning each man's behavior on and off the field. An impressive tight end on the field and in the meeting room, the Texans scouting group had their collective eye on Michigan tight end Ben Joppru. In an upcoming season where beefing up the Houston offense was a priority, Joppru fit right into the mix.
Joppru, the Texans second round (41st overall) selection, accumulated 85 catches for 800 yards and eight TDs during his career in Michigan.
The staff got their wish today in the second round of the 2003 NFL Draft. Not only did they obtain a 230-pound wide receiver in
Andre Johnson, but quarterback David Carr will have another substantial target to hit with the 260-pound Joppru navigating the turf.
After assessing the draft board at the beginning of the second round, the Texans accepted a trade offer from New England that they felt would allow them to keep Joppru at arm's length by swapping their second round (36th overall) and 4th round (117th overall) choices to drop five spots to New England's 41st overall while gaining an additional third round (75th overall) pick.
"Bennie Joppru was the first player we would've taken had we stayed at our pick," Texans general manager Charley Casserly said. "Our feeling was that we could move back and switch the fourth for the third and put us in a position to get a player that we had rated as a quality player in the second round."
Joppru's combined speed and good blocking abilities seemed like a good balance when thrown into the mix with Texans' veteran tight end Billy Miller.
"I think he's a different style of tight end than Billy Miller," Capers said. I feel that we're getting a tight end that's a very good blocker with outstanding size and a good receiver.
"He's a solid, blue-collar work ethic type-of-guy. He is really a quality individual that will fit in well with Billy Miller and Jabari Holloway."
Joppru really started to become an impact player for the Wolverines during his senior campaign, when he hauled in 53 receptions for 579 yards and five TDs. His 53 catches ranked second on the school's season-record list for tight ends, topped only by Jack Clancy (76 in 1966).
Scouts were impressed with his multi-touchdown games at Illinois, where he had seven catches for 74 yards including scores of six and 27 yards to help Michigan to a dominating 45-28 victory.
While Joppru provided a stable and effective target for the Wolverine's short-passing game, the Texans coaching staff wanted to add a player with his work ethic to the Houston squad.
"We get a chance to observe young men when they're in meetings and on the practice field and our second tight end was out for a couple days with a pulled hamstring," Capers said about the week at the Senior Bowl. "Bennie Joppru had to take over almost every repetition and he worked until his tongue hung out. I was really impressed with the way he handled it and didn't complain and worked his tail off."* *
Both Joppru and Johnson will be a immediate, impact players in a soon-to-be re-vamped Texans offense that finished last season ranked last in the NFL.
"I
think the two picks that we had today are at tough-skilled positions
and I feel very good about both players giving us more flexibility
on offense," Capers said.
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CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Nothing becomes official until the Combine.
Texian
Hall of Fame
The Brigade does like to play them some ball. Most do not realize Bortles had more success than any Texans QB has had. And BB had 5 OCs in 4 years. Much like Davis Mills going on his 3rd OC in 3 years.
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CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Murray measured out at actually 5-foot-10 1/8 inches at the Combine.
And look at their build difference.
And look at their build difference.
ben.aires.smith
Rookie
"If I’m a GM, I’m scared to death of drafting him.” said McShay."
WTF? McShay has been pumping Young the hardest out of any of the draftniks this offseason, famously comparing him to Patrick Mahomes. So 1.5" under his listed height of 6'0 scares him now? Everyone and their mom new Young was some degree under 6'0. It was obvious.