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2023 TEXANS DRAFT DISCUSSION

Lucky said:
So Russell Wilson should have been bigger, but his size was overlooked by scouts?
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Let me also state that Russell Wilson was drafted in the 3rd round, pick #75. So apparently all of the scouts, GM's and coaches didn't think of him as first round talent. In part because of his size. Kyler Murray was the first pick in the draft and his size was willingly ignored by the Cards because of Riley's offense at OU (that they thought Kliff could replicate) and they desperately wanted their own Russell Wilson.
 
michaelm said:
I think he would have been able to hire the HC he wanted until the Flores situation popped up and then Cal clearly stepped in and made a business decision to hire Lovie.
Cal stepped in just like 99% of owners would in the same situation.
It wasn't a coaching hire. It was a political business decision for the franchise.
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It is astounding how some posters refuse to acknowledge this in order to maintain their narrative.
 
sandman said:
Let me also state that Russell Wilson was drafted in the 3rd round, pick #75. So apparently all of the scouts, GM's and coaches didn't think of him as first round talent.
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Yes. Yes. In a re-draft today, Wilson would have gone #1 overall. It's good to learn from history, right?
 
sandman said:
Pick a fight with someone else, my friend. It's not my job to prove your point for you.
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You gave an example of one, Murray, that smaller QBs don't hold up in the league. Then made a reference to the history of small QBs in the league. All I'm asking is who are these failed small QBs you are alluding to. That's "picking a fight"? Just say, I don't know and forget it.
 
Lucky said:
Including playoff games, Russell Wilson started the first 165 games of his career. Then, he missed 3 games with a broken finger. A finger. But, @steelbtexan thinks Wilson is too small and injury prone.

You will say anything to make a ridiculous point. Sad.
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Have you seen the picture of Kyler standing next to Young? Now Wilson and Kyler are about the same size. It isn't just about height. It is about frame. Although Kyler and Young look to be about the same height, Kyler is much more stout. As is Wilson. Look at the wrist size between Kyler and Young. I know I keep using Kyler as the comparison and that is because I haven't seen pictures of Wilson and Young together. I'm not as concerned about Young's height. I'm concerned he is a twig.
 
Xopher said:
Have you seen the picture of Kyler standing next to Young? Now Wilson and Kyler are about the same size. It isn't just about height. It is about frame. Although Kyler and Young look to be about the same height, Kyler is much more stout. As is Wilson. Look at the wrist size between Kyler and Young. I know I keep using Kyler as the comparison and that is because I haven't seen pictures of Wilson and Young together. I'm not as concerned about Young's height. I'm concerned he is a twig.
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Murray has a stronger arm also.
 
It's obvious here as well as everywhere that the top 3-4 QBs are Young and CJ then 3 gets thrown around with Levis (who Kiper picks #1) and Richardson. What is this recent talk now about a team for example the Colts trading up to #1 for a QB like Bryce? That would alter the choice for a #2 pick QB no? That would leave one of three QBs out of the picture no? I don't think the Texans would not pick a QB at #2 or #12. If they didn't then CJ and Young would already be off the board maybe leaving a Levis or Richardson at #12.
 
TexanBorn51 said:
It's obvious here as well as everywhere that the top 3-4 QBs are Young and CJ then 3 gets thrown around with Levis (who Kiper picks #1) and Richardson. What is this recent talk now about a team for example the Colts trading up to #1 for a QB like Bryce? That would alter the choice for a #2 pick QB no? That would leave one of three QBs out of the picture no? I don't think the Texans would not pick a QB at #2 or #12. If they didn't then CJ and Young would already be off the board maybe leaving a Levis or Richardson at #12.
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It’s smokescreen season. Texans would be foolish to trade up to 1. And the price of some of these mocks are completely asinine. I just saw one from PFN:

1) Houston Texans (via CHI): C.J. Stroud, QB, Ohio State

Trade: Texans receive 1st pick, Bears receive 2nd pick, 12th pick, 33rd pick, 73rd pick, and 2024 second-rounder.



5 picks for CJ Stroud? So basically trading the WD40 trade value to move up one spot for the QB generally regarded as second best in this class? That’s a fireable offense and so unlikely to happen that the creator of this mock should be fired on the spot.
 
TheRealJoker said:
It’s smokescreen season. Texans would be foolish to trade up to 1. And the price of some of these mocks are completely asinine. I just saw one from PFN:

1) Houston Texans (via CHI): C.J. Stroud, QB, Ohio State

Trade: Texans receive 1st pick, Bears receive 2nd pick, 12th pick, 33rd pick, 73rd pick, and 2024 second-rounder.



5 picks for CJ Stroud? So basically trading the WD40 trade value to move up one spot for the QB generally regarded as second best in this class? That’s a fireable offense and so unlikely to happen that the creator of this mock should be fired on the spot.
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No I had recently seen leaked predictions which they all are that the Colts not Texans would trade CHicago over them for #1 pick if they wanted a QB. imho as to the the Texans they should stay put in the 1st round. I was just stating in that scenario that the Young vs Stroud selection at #2 would be void because one has already been taken out of the choice.
 
Lucky said:
Including playoff games, Russell Wilson started the first 165 games of his career. Then, he missed 3 games with a broken finger. A finger. But, @steelbtexan thinks Wilson is too small and injury prone.

You will say anything to make a ridiculous point. Sad.
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I'm saying Wilson and Brady have a lot in common, they're both outliers.

Obviously you're willing to bet on an outlier, I wouldn't make that bet.

Also look at Young's build vs Wilson's build and tell me they are built alike.
 
As of today just like my earlier post Dec 6 (http://www.texanstalk.com/threads/w...sider-signing-trading-for.116738/post-3298924 ) I still lean with QB Will Levis. Let the other teams and experts drool over the Young Stroud routine. imho the top QB class still doesn't do it for me and by no means am I an expert evaluator nor coach.
The Texans can fill the other position needs first and still get a quality first round QB. If push comes to shove next year or few then there still another yearly draft or trade. Still have the combine n free agency n trades so opinion is early n may change.
Don't shoot me I'm only the piano player :-)
 
Porky said:
A lot of you football savants surely have empirical data to back up your claims that a slighter build equals a much higher risk of a reduced career length and/or an increased risk of severe injury over a guy with a larger frame.

Why is it that none of you have posted this yet? I'll continue to wait.
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If he weighed 160 pounds do you think he would be a greater risk of injury? lol dudes already had 4 shoulder injuries. He WILL BE hit more in the NFL than he did in Alabama. I’m stunned anyone would argue this.
 
Porky said:
A lot of you football savants surely have empirical data to back up your claims that a slighter build equals a much higher risk of a reduced career length and/or an increased risk of severe injury over a guy with a larger frame.

Why is it that none of you have posted this yet? I'll continue to wait.
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Have you ever had a 300 pound guy even sit on you? I knew a guy years ago who would simply knock you to the ground and sit on you and it was all over.
Imagine now, a guy that big accidentally falling on you. Even big guys get hurt when people fall on them - you see it in almost every game.
Just common sense.
 
Texansphan said:
Have you ever had a 300 pound guy even sit on you? I knew a guy years ago who would simply knock you to the ground and sit on you and it was all over.
Imagine now, a guy that big accidentally falling on you. Even big guys get hurt when people fall on them - you see it in almost every game.
Just common sense.
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Wait till grown arse 300+ pound man has blindside untouched speed impacting a 5-9 or 5-10 185 pound QB.
 
Texian said:
We need a 1st RD LT with a $20MM contract and an extra 2024 1st RD draft pick, not Tunsil with a $125MM contract.
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Hopefully we finally have some competent coaches that can build an oline unlike OB, since he’s the one that left us with that horrible contract.
 
TexanBorn51 said:
ts thrown around with Levis (who Kiper picks #1) and Richardson. What
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Texian said:
We need a 1st RD LT with a $20MM contract and an extra 2024 1st RD draft pick, not Tunsil with a $125MM contract.
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Tend to agree, but the problem is we need so much perhaps Tunsil is worth forking over the money for? LTs like Tunsil don't grow on trees. If we go QB1, kinda have to go WR1 @12, which makes odds of finding starting LT material thereafter in the draft a iffy proposition. Unless Texans can attact/sign a Christian Kirk type level talent + to whip this WR core into shape at go T @ 12.
 
Lucky said:
I don't think Florida wanted Richardson to come back. They brought in transfer QBs from Ohio State and Wisconsin that will likely run the offense more as the coaches envision it. College coaches priorities aren't developing QBs for the NFL. It's to win football games. Richardson wasn't their recruit and didn't really fit their plans.
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I was wondering about this. Richardson really needs to stay in school for another year or two, but if he found out he was going to be replaced, it makes sense for him to enter the draft now.
 
vtech9 said:
I was wondering about this. Richardson really needs to stay in school for another year or two, but if he found out he was going to be replaced, it makes sense for him to enter the draft now.
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If Richardson were to go to the right team, that has the time, coaching staff, and extra draft capital to make an investment at the position...it just might work. I just don't think any of that applies to the Texans situation in 2023.
 
tunsil is good for like 2 false starts per season thats like 36 false starts a game that alone is worth him getting delt

i only say this cus there is alot of good tackles that will fall to us besides maybe taking a good one at 12
 
Texian said:
OB inherited a very good OL from Kubiak and one of the first things he did was to proceed in destroying it.
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To be fair, OB inherited an oline tailored for the ZBS. It's difficult to run any other scheme with a line that's undersized by NFL standards.

That being said, he also failed to overhaul it, and RS failed to keep Duane Brown in house. That really hurt.

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Norg said:
tunsil is good for like 2 false starts per season thats like 36 false starts a game that alone is worth him getting delt

i only say this cus there is alot of good tackles that will fall to us besides maybe taking a good one at 12
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He had 7 false starts last year…
 
ben.aires.smith said:
Tend to agree, but the problem is we need so much perhaps Tunsil is worth forking over the money for? LTs like Tunsil don't grow on trees. If we go QB1, kinda have to go WR1 @12, which makes odds of finding starting LT material thereafter in the draft a iffy proposition. Unless Texans can attact/sign a Christian Kirk type level talent + to whip this WR core into shape at go T @ 12.
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Why go WR1 at 12? This is not a very good WR class and next year are loaded. You can draft a good LT at 12.
 
Lucky said:
If Richardson were to go to the right team, that has the time, coaching staff, and extra draft capital to make an investment at the position...it just might work. I just don't think any of that applies to the Texans situation in 2023.
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I think this applies to any rookie QB. That's why I'm an advocate of sitting rookie QBs until they've shown that they can prove effective at the NFL level.
 
frethack said:
To be fair, OB inherited an oline tailored for the ZBS. It's difficult to run any other scheme with a line that's undersized by NFL standards.

That being said, he also failed to overhaul it, and RS failed to keep Duane Brown in house. That really hurt.

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To be fair, Duane Brown, Ben Jones, Brandon Brooks all played well in ZBS after leaving Houston
 
ben.aires.smith said:
Quentin Johnson is certainly worth a pick in this range. I donno. I wouldn't be upset with a T selection at #12 all I know is that the skill positions on yardage pickup side of the ball need to improve drastically.
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I have always thought that the teams who do best at rebuilding are those teams who rebuild from the inside out and once they have their trenches in place then it's time to add the skill players.
 
Norg said:
tunsil is good for like 2 false starts per season thats like 36 false starts a game that alone is worth him getting delt

i only say this cus there is alot of good tackles that will fall to us besides maybe taking a good one at 12
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Do you think those 36 false starts in a game will be less with a better center who knows when to snap the ball?
 
frethack said:
To be fair, OB inherited an oline tailored for the ZBS. It's difficult to run any other scheme with a line that's undersized by NFL standards.

That being said, he also failed to overhaul it, and RS failed to keep Duane Brown in house. That really hurt.

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Myers being on his last leg, Newton blowing out both of his knees and DB doing his thing caused the ol to fall apart.

Then BOB couldn't find a LT to save his life and the whole thing fell apart. BTW, Nick Martin and Davenport really sucked after they moved on from Jones and DB.
 
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