Sounds like 1.2 to me
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2023 TEXANS DRAFT DISCUSSION
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I agree. If Stroud is taken #1 overall, I’m taking Anderson at 1.2 & Richardson or Hooker much later.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Since posting the above, I looked into Stroud's history and found it coincidentally interesting that in the opening game of the 2021 season, he suffered an A/C shoulder separation of his right throwing shoulder. He missed 1 game, but played noticeably subpar for several games. Prior to that in fall camp, he also suffered a grade I rotator cuff of that shoulder. From then on, his HC very much limited any designed runs for him for his protection.
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beerlover
Hall of Fame
Explains concern. Chargers did same thing with Herbert after rib injury but kept playing him anyway. Made him less mobile more of a target and he took a beat down rest of season. He had to have shoulder surgery afterwards. Coaching is a big influencer that can be traceable to medical. Nice work again on part of Cloak
Agreed about Kancey
Hooker would've been a 1st rd pick without injury. He might still be a 1st rd pick.
I find the best way to watch prospects is to watch a guy like Anderson's tape when they highlight him. But also watch guys Too' Too' and Dale while you're watching Anderson.
You were all over Donald, how would you consider Kancey compares to Donald?
Agreed on Hooker
Are you close to East Palestine?
I'm not familiar with Ohio geography.
beerlover
Hall of Fame
More of a John Randle. Lacks elite production of Aaron Donald (half as many sacks) not as thick and strong but has the twitch. Think because of Aaron Donald he could get drafted higher? Haven’t seen enough tape or learned enough about his character to really know for sure. Combine will be key. Not only measurements and testing but interview. If he knocks it out of the park, could be top 10.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Highest I have seen him is 7th best quarterback. Long ways to go before hes considered a round one.
badboy
Hall of Fame
If it did that to your shoulder.. are you concerned about your mental?
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
Nice stat sheet.
Texian
Hall of Fame
Donald is more dominant and stronger.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
And four good ones on the D. Should be very doable between the draft and FA.
Add in some revamped coaching and we won't be finishing in the top ten of the draft next year.
I think Haener will have a better chance at an NFL QB career. Since when do we just look at a player's athletic ability and disregard what they accomplish on the field?
People gave up on Geno Smith when he was in NY (the Giants & Jets), too. I think an organization like the Seahawks could turn Wilson around, once out of the NY limelight.
So you are advocating trading for Wilson and waiting 9 years to see quality play? Wilson is very immature and I don't care to risk it.
Geno Smith Stats, Height, Weight, Position, Draft, College | Pro-Football-Reference.com
Check out the stats for Smith. 1 decent season in 9 years and he's on his 4th team, along with 2 years as a backup to Wilson. Not a bad player to learn under.
You may well be right about getting out of the NYC limelight. What do you think a team would have to give up for Wilson? I'd offer a straight up trade for Cooks.
Yes, that's exactly what I said. Thanks for keeping everything in context.
I wasn't suggesting the Texans take a flyer on Wilson. They're not at the point where they can bring in reclamation projects. I specifically pointed to a mature organization like the Seahawks that have proven to be a place where players can turn their careers around (Geno Smith, Marshawn Lynch, Quandre Diggs).
Good post. I was being very sarcastic in my other post. Doesn't come across well in text.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
- https://theathletic.com/4209782/202...tball/?source=freeweeklyemail&campaign=602288
- Chris Vannini, Max Olson, Nicole Auerbach, Justin Williams, Audrey Snyder, Antonio Morales, Scott Dochterman, Grace Raynor
- 16 min read
The NFL Draft is 10 weeks away. Eight members of The Athletic’s college football staff who covered these athletes for several years have lent insight into pulling together their NFL mock draft: Nicole Auerbach, Max Olson, Chris Vannini, Grace Raynor, Audrey Snyder, Justin Williams, Antonio Morales and Scott Dochterman. For this mock, no pick trading was allowed.
As a reminder, there are only 31 selections in the first round this year, after the Dolphins forfeited their selection.
1. Chicago Bears: Jalen Carter, DT, Georgia
I would have traded back, but the rules are the rules, and I’m a rule-follower! So I’ll go with a game wrecker who can be the face of the franchise. Carter is so powerful and disruptive on the interior. I don’t think you can go wrong with either Carter or Alabama’s Will Anderson, but I keep thinking back to something Bears coach Matt Eberflus said about the three-technique: “We call it the engine that makes everything go.” If that’s how he sees the value of the position, then you’ve got to go Carter here. He’ll make everything go. — Auerbach
2. Houston Texans: Bryce Young, QB, Alabama
In this trade-free mock draft, the Texans are happy to sit back and get their guy at No. 2. Young is the difference-maker this new coaching staff needs to build around. His poise and accuracy are special, and he totally played up to the hype in his two seasons as an SEC starter. The size concerns are valid, but you’d be a fool to talk yourself out of drafting Young. — Olson
3. Arizona Cardinals: Will Anderson Jr., Edge, Alabama
Anderson was the best defensive player in college football for each of the last two years and would’ve been drafted in this same spot a year ago if he were eligible. He racked up 58.5 tackles for loss and 34.5 sacks over three seasons with the Crimson Tide. With J.J. Watt off into retirement, Anderson could slide in perfectly as a top-level pass rusher. — Vannini
4. Indianapolis Colts: Will Levis, QB, Kentucky
Indianapolis is taking a quarterback — that much seems set in stone. And if the Colts don’t trade up to get Bryce Young, it means they are likely deciding between Levis and C.J. Stroud. A case can be made for either, but based on his NFL measurables and his style of play, Levis seems to fit that Manning/Luck mold the Colts have favored in the past. — Williams
5. Seattle Seahawks (from Denver): Tyree Wilson, DL, Texas Tech
Head coach Pete Carroll has stressed the importance of the Seahawks becoming more dynamic up front defensively, especially with division foe San Francisco 49ers so dominant in that aspect. Wilson has the type of frame (6-foot-6, 275 pounds) and athleticism to be the disruptive force the Seahawks need. He recorded 14 tackles for loss last season, a top-30 total in the FBS, which is made more impressive considering he missed the final three games of the season. — Morales
6. Detroit Lions (from L.A. Rams): Devon Witherspoon, CB, Illinois
Illinois led the nation in scoring defense, and Witherspoon and the secondary were the key to the Illini’s defensive emergence. Witherspoon always was assigned the opponent’s best receiver, no matter if it was field, boundary or slot. According to Pro Football Focus, Witherspoon was targeted 63 times and allowed just 22 catches for 206 yards and no scores. Plus, he can bring the thunder. Witherspoon has the potential to become a shutdown corner and the toughness to further restore the roar in Detroit. — Dochterman
7. Las Vegas Raiders: C.J. Stroud, QB, Ohio State
If an Aaron Rodgers–Davante Adams reunion is a no-go, here’s a franchise quarterback who fell into my lap. Yes, there was a ton of talent around Stroud at Ohio State, including a star-studded receiving corps. That detail doesn’t diminish the value of his arm talent and production. After putting up 40-plus touchdowns against six interceptions in back-to-back years, it’s time for Stroud to start working with another superstar wide receiver. — Snyder
8. Atlanta Falcons: Myles Murphy, DE, Clemson
The Falcons finished second-to-last in the NFL in sacks this season, with just 21. Improving the pass rush through the draft will be crucial, and Murphy is the right player to help. A Georgia native and product of nearby Clemson, he is fast, powerful and smart. He benched about 275 pounds as a 14-year-old high school freshman and ran a 4.65-second 40-yard dash as a high school senior. Now 6 foot 5 and about 275 pounds, Murphy finished his Clemson career as a two-time all-conference honoree with 139 tackles (37 for loss), 17 1/2 sacks and six forced fumbles in 38 games with 27 starts. — Raynor
9. Carolina Panthers: Anthony Richardson, QB, Florida
The Panthers desperately need some stability at the quarterback position, and while Young, Levis or Stroud would have been nice, Richardson is a less proven but still logical choice. He has the tools, he’s mobile with a big arm and he can be coached up at the next level to play with more precision. — Raynor
10. Philadelphia Eagles (from New Orleans): Joey Porter Jr., CB, Penn State
Porter started 31 games over the past four years and developed into a shutdown corner. His physicality initially caused him problems in college, but improved in his ability to eliminate penalties while not losing his edge. Porter had 20 pass breakups and 113 tackles during his collegiate career. He grew up in NFL locker rooms and has dissected the game with his dad for as long as the younger Porter can remember. With this selection, he’ll become the first Penn State defensive back selected in the first round of the NFL Draft. — Snyder
11. Tennessee Titans: Paris Johnson Jr., T, Ohio State
The Titans are in desperate need of reinforcements on the offensive line, and Johnson gives them the top tackle prospect in the draft. He has the length and athleticism required to play on the edge at the NFL level, but he has experience at both guard and tackle from his time at Ohio State. Tennessee has a number of holes up front, and Johnson should be able to plug one right away. — Williams
12. Houston Texans (from Cleveland): Quentin Johnston, WR, TCU
We got Young at No. 2. Now we’re getting a go-to receiver for the franchise QB. It’s not hard to upgrade at this spot from last year’s crew of Brandin Cooks, Chris Moore, Nico Collins and Phillip Dorsett. Johnston is a freak athlete at 6 foot 4 and 215 pounds who is still just scratching the surface of his pro potential and should impress at the combine. Young can certainly throw it up to Johnston and trust he’ll win on 50/50 balls, but the long wideout is also adept at making plays in space. — Olson
13. New York Jets: Broderick Jones, T, Georgia
The Jets desperately need help on the offensive line, and lo and behold, they’ve got an opportunity to grab one of the best offensive tackles available. The Jets ranked among the worst teams in the NFL in both pass blocking and run blocking, per PFF. Enter Jones, who played in every game of Georgia’s back-to-back national championship seasons, starting all 15 games in 2022. The 6-foot-4, 314-pound tackle is just what the Jets need at a position that’s been recently held back by injuries and inconsistent play. They’ve got to fix the offense, and it starts up front. — Auerbach
14. New England Patriots: Christian Gonzalez, CB, Oregon
The Patriots need a cornerback, and the 6-foot-2, 201-pound Gonzalez is arguably the best in this class. The former Oregon Duck had four interceptions in 2022, the most on his team and third-most in the Pac-12. His 118 return yards on those four picks were the most by an Oregon player since Steve Smith in 2001, and he earned first-team coaches’ All-Pac-12 honors in 2022. — Raynor
15. Green Bay Packers: Peter Skoronski, T, Northwestern
Forget about a difference maker at tight end or a safety, both needs that must also be addressed. If Green Bay’s offensive line doesn’t improve, nothing else matters. Yes, the franchise has done well in later rounds with offensive linemen — and the Packers last drafted an offensive lineman in the first round in 2011 — but picking this early gives the Packers a shot at landing a stud tackle for years to come. Injuries to David Bakhtiari and Elgton Jenkins have made it clear just how irreplaceable elite linemen are. Regardless of who the quarterback is, the Packers can’t miss on an opportunity to invest in 2024 and beyond by taking Skoronski, who could also turn out to be a reliable guard. — Snyder
16. Washington Commanders: Cam Smith, CB, South Carolina
The Commanders need cornerback help, and this is a loaded class for that position. Smith is a physical cornerback with good ball skills, recording six interceptions and 18 passes defended for the Gamecocks. He finished ninth in the country in passes defended per game in 2021 and allowed multiple catches just twice in 11 games that year. His speed is good but not great. — Vannini
17. Pittsburgh Steelers: Kelee Ringo, CB, Georgia
The thought here was either offensive line or corner. Most of the top offensive linemen were taken, so we’re betting on traits and athleticism here to continue the recent run on cornerbacks. Ringo is raw and will lose some battles in coverage, but he has the size and speed to win his fair share, too. — Morales
18. Detroit Lions: Siaki Ika, DT, Baylor
The Lions won eight of their final 10 games but were 28th or worse in the most important defensive categories, including last overall in total defense. With a pair of talented rush ends in Aidan Hutchinson and James Houston, Detroit needs a two-down run stuffer in the worst way. Ika has that ability with his 6-4, 360-pound frame to tie up blockers and quick enough footwork to close gaps. — Dochterman
19. Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Emmanuel Forbes, CB, Mississippi State
The run on cornerbacks continues, and I’m a little surprised by it. I would have thought Ringo or Smith might still be available. Alas. Instead, we’ll take the player who we think should have won the Thorpe Award, given to college football’s best defensive back. Forbes had three pick sixes last season, bringing his total to six in his collegiate career, an NCAA record. The Bucs need help in the secondary, the area expected to be hit hardest by free agency this offseason. Forbes is the kind of corner that quarterbacks avoid. — Auerbach
20. Seattle Seahawks: Bryan Bresee, DT, Clemson
We’re doubling down on the Seahawks’ desire to improve the defensive front. With Wilson, the edge has been addressed. Now Bresee is the pick to cause havoc in the interior. Bresee was rated the No. 1 player in the country during the 2020 recruiting cycle and lived up to that hype as a true freshman. Injuries have hampered him the past two seasons, but there’s enough evidence to believe in his pedigree when healthy. — Morales
21. Los Angeles Chargers: Jordan Addison, WR, USC
Addison dealt with injuries during his final college season at USC, so his numbers weren’t as prolific as they were when he won the Biletnikoff Award at Pitt in 2021. His talent was still apparent, though. Addison has good speed and is a smooth, technically sound wideout. If Keenan Allen becomes a cap casualty, then the Chargers (and Justin Herbert) could use a talent like Addison. — Morales
22. Baltimore Ravens: Jaxon Smith-Njigba, WR, Ohio State
Let’s assume for now that Lamar Jackson is coming back in 2023 and get him another pass catcher. The Ravens have some talent at wideout but ended up finishing the season with Demarcus Robinson and Sammy Watkins starting in a playoff game. Smith-Njigba had a tough year, but it’s still tough to pass on him here. He looked like a potential top-10 pick going into 2022 before his hamstring injury and still has a bright future as a playmaker in the slot. — Olson
23. Minnesota Vikings: Lukas Van Ness, DE, Iowa
The Vikings won 13 games last year despite fielding the league’s No. 30 scoring defense and No. 31 pass defense. They’re also an estimated $21 million over the cap, per Spotrac, and most of their defensive line money is tied up at tackle. Van Ness is a physical marvel who didn’t start at Iowa because the Hawkeyes had two high-character seniors ahead of him. But Van Ness played more regular-season snaps at defensive end than any other Iowa defender. His upside is limitless, and he can play on the edge or over the guard in pass rush situations. — Dochterman
24. Jacksonville Jaguars: Michael Mayer, TE, Notre Dame
There’s no such thing as giving Trevor Lawrence too many weapons as the Jaguars continue to build after being one of the best stories in the NFL last season. The ever-versatile Mayer is arguably the best tight end in this class and gives Jacksonville both a strong blocker and a dangerous pass catcher. If Evan Engram returns to Jacksonville, the Jags will have an elite one-two punch at the position. But if the Jaguars lose Engram to free agency, Mayer gives them a nice insurance policy. — Raynor
25. New York Giants: Jalin Hyatt, WR, Tennessee
The most glaring weakness for the Giants last year? The wide receiver group. Daniel Jones needs weapons. He needs playmakers. He needs a No. 1 receiver. The 2022 Biletnikoff winner has the speed and hands to be that guy. It feels like Hyatt has merely scratched the surface of his potential — the limited route tree in Josh Heupel’s offense is either a positive or a negative, if you think long enough about it — and he can be one of the most explosive rookie receivers in the NFL in the right offense. — Auerbach
26. Dallas Cowboys: Bijan Robinson, RB, Texas
Jerry Jones loves himself some big-name running backs (Emmitt Smith, Herschel Walker, Ezekiel Elliott), and this could be the time for a refresh while also saving cap space. Tony Pollard made the Pro Bowl, but he is set to be a free agent and fractured his left fibula in the playoffs; Ezekiel Elliott could be cut for salary cap purposes. Robinson was the best running back in college football with 1,580 rushing yards and 18 rushing touchdowns as a junior last year. He’s also a threat out of the backfield, with 60 catches in his Texas career. With Mike McCarthy taking over the offense, Robinson would be a useful and versatile weapon. — Vannini
27. Buffalo Bills: Brian Branch, S, Alabama
Robinson was absolutely going to be the pick here, but Branch helps resolve another need. Pro Bowl safety Jordan Poyer is a free agent this offseason. Whether or not he returns, it makes sense to find his successor. Branch is a really intriguing chess piece with his ability to confidently play several roles in the secondary at a high level. Getting Branch this late in the first round feels like a steal. — Olson
28. Cincinnati Bengals: BJ Ojulari, Edge, LSU
Cincinnati has done well to bolster its defensive front through free agency, but with big pay days on the horizon for the likes of Joe Burrow, Tee Higgins and Ja’Marr Chase, among others, the Bengals won’t have that same luxury in the coming years. I’m tempted to take Oregon State tight end Luke Musgrave, but Burrow proved his team can take a one-year flyer on someone like Hayden Hurst and make it shine. And with the current slate of QBs in the AFC, you can never have enough pass rushers. — Williams
29. New Orleans Saints (from San Francisco through Denver): Mazi Smith, DT, Michigan
The Saints got back into the first round thanks to the Sean Payton trade, and they need to reload inside with four defensive tackles potentially heading to free agency. Smith could be the perfect answer with his unique mix of size, strength and speed at 6-foot-3, 337 pounds. He was No. 1 on Bruce Feldman’s Freaks List heading into the 2022 season, and he is going to light up the combine at the end of the month. At Michigan, he earned All-Big Ten First Team honors in 2022. He needs to improve his pass rush and his consistency, and the Saints will need to do their due diligence on a gun charge from an October traffic stop (he pled guilty to a misdemeanor), but his ceiling is incredibly high. — Vannini
30. Philadelphia Eagles: Trenton Simpson, LB, Clemson
I really wanted Bijan Robinson, but since no trades are allowed in this mock draft I turned to the linebacker talent pool. Expect Simpson to turn heads at the combine. A member of Feldman’s Freaks List, Simpson could be yet another valuable weapon on an Eagles defense that looks to be loaded for years to come. — Snyder
31. Kansas City Chiefs: Will McDonald IV, Edge, Iowa State
One of the most prolific pass rushers in Big 12 history, McDonald has an explosive burst off the edge. With 34 career sacks, McDonald tied the league record and was a three-time all-Big 12 selection. He has 35-inch arms to go on a 6-4, 241-pound frame, and he uses that length to get separation off the edge. If McDonald sneaks into the first round, he would mark the first Cyclone with that distinction since 1973. — Dochterman
Take a shot on Wilson and if it doesn't, draft a QB in 2024.
I would give up a 4th that could become a 3rd if Wilson plays well.
Which college QBs do you like going into the 2023 season? Be specific, don't just say "draft a QB in 2024". Who are you expecting to have a great 2023 NCAAF season?
Sounds like a Texans to me.
Do you think it was the Seahawks who turned Geno around? I’m wondering if Geno will regress to the mean.
I don’t know if we’ll ever know, but Geno has been talking about missed opportunities & putting in the work.
Personally I’d I’m the Seahawks, just like the Texans, just like the Titans I’m not satisfied with my QB room, but I don’t think I need to be rash in improving it.
Hate the Cowboys getting Bijan.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
Very nice interview. I believe Nick finally has the situation in Houston under control and got the HC of his choosing. Nick and Ryans seem like 2 peas in a pod in regards to their approach in building the Texans. I think the Texans finally have the right GM/HC combination, and it seems to be filtering right on down to the staff they’re assembling.
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Just coincidentally this guy has HTown connections that preceded Caserio in Houston.
I have no reason to doubt Meco is going to be an excellent HC. But it’s foolish. imo, to think there were no ulterior motives in the selection.
I wholeheartedly agree Nick made this decision with both eyes open just like the last two.
beerlover
Hall of Fame
Maybe? But I choose to believe, star’s finally aligned, whatever root cause, it simply made sense well as smart business decision. Just hope fans can remain patient this time around, allow him time needed to change Texan culture into winning experiences.
TexanBorn51
All Pro
Everybody has an opinion on Bryce Young number 1 do I agree not sure https://www.si.com/nfl/2023/02/18/bryce-young-patrick-mahones-comparison-todd-mcshay
Agree with this. But I don’t think the last two coaches were fired because fans were impatient.
I’ll be patient with Demeco, but I’ve run out of patience with Caserio.
Hiring Demeco, for whatever reason, is a step in the right direction. But he’s got a long way to go to get back to even.
Let him gamble on those draft prospect medicals one more time….
ben.aires.smith
Rookie
I like a lot of what Young brings to the table, especially in today's NFL where QBs are protected and advanced offense schemes that get rid of the ball more quickly. However, I am not in agreement with McShay that Young is a smaller version of Patrick Mahomes, although he has his type of skill set. And the reason is both size and arm, which are both sizable downgrades. I highly doubt Young will be able to shed tacklers as well as Mahomes, and he certainly won't be able to make the same throws flat-footed or on the run.
I think Young is more like a better version of Doug Flutie, and I don't mean this in a disparaging way. Flutie had excellent escapability and preferred the pass over run, although he could scramble when needed. Flutie didn't have a noodle arm either relative to his size, and could make a wide array of throws. Could extend plays very well and was a high IQ player. He was talented. Flutie numbers would have probably been more impressive in a modern offensive scheme.
With Young, I think we're getting the best of Flutie - or maybe 120% of peak Flutie - and opposed to Mahomes. Remember, Flutie didn't make his NFL comeback with the Bills until he was 35 after dominating the CFL for nearly a decade. I can live with peak Flutie/120% type of production in a modern offense if he can stay healthy.
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Mahomes is an extra terrestrial…
this has nothing to do with Mahomes’ success. His ability to get the ball to the right player regardless the situation is uncanny. Backfoot, sideways, upside down, falling backwards, dropping back 30 yards, it doesn’t matter. He’s got the arm strength, arm talent, accuracy, anticipation & whatever he needs to make that throw when he needs to make that throw.
Bryce Young is going to have to do it his way, & I’m sure he’s capable. But he’s not the next Mahomes. No knock on him. Lazy on McShay.
ben.aires.smith
Rookie
100%. Young doesn't have Mahomes arm strong and does not throw with the same type of leverage. Just because he can throw at different angles doesn't make him the best QB in football. Lazy indeed.
ben.aires.smith
Rookie
What does everyone think about the recent talk that Chicago should draft Bryce Young #1 and trade Justin Fields? Initially, most pundits were thinking Chicago would just stick with Fields. But now, a lot of chatter about the new management team 'getting their guy' with Young and also getting 2 extra years on rookie contract by taking Young, which could allow the team extra time to build. Thoughts?
I could be onboard with Young @ 2 overall, despite some reservations. But no way in hell I'm taking Stroud or any other QB there. I wonder how this is going to play out?
I could be onboard with Young @ 2 overall, despite some reservations. But no way in hell I'm taking Stroud or any other QB there. I wonder how this is going to play out?
cuppacoffee
Resident Grouch
They were both fired because of incompetency, no other reason.
Can you point out one positive accomplishment of either coach during their time here?
I am pretty sure you are aware of the prevailing thoughts here about the "draft prospects" medicals.
I.E First time GM trying too hard to appease an over the hill HC, who pounded the table for said prospect, (allegedly)
He is ahead of the curve as far as I am concerned.
Sounds to me like the resident critic has your ear.
Yep, Larry got his black HC, he's happy.Sounded like Larry in Stafford on phone with ticket sales, then DeMeco? Shall I say very vocal in community, he represents a large portion of loyal but disgruntled fans who can finally, embrace positive direction for the good folks down on Kirby.
I'm happy because Ryans appears to be a good hire. I judge a rookie HC by the staff he can assemble. I really like Ryans staff, even though they're younger than I originally would have liked.
It's hard to get killed from the bench, which is where I'd keep him until and unless he hands-down won the starting job. Besides the change in scheme, a play caller can help his QB beat pressure with bootlegs, quick throws, screens and moving pockets, spreadiing defenses out and keeping them in nickel or dime defense, etc.NFL Draft Buzz has nothing but praise to say about Bryce Young. But, they do point out one thing that the Texans are sorely lacking at the moment. A solid offensive line to protect him. It can be fixed, but it's most likely going to take a full season to get it right. Can Young stay alive long enough for the O'Line to jell? That is the question. I've been opposed to drafting him due to his lack of size, but it would be fun to watch if he can bring the same excitement to the team that he's had in Alabama. Here's the paragraph in his write up I'm referring to.
"The only major negative we can find to Young is his susceptibility to injury, and while playing behind an elite (for the most part) Tide offensive line he's been able to stay on the field - behind a subpar basement-dwelling pro line things could turn bad, quickly. This is a potentially serious issue - any team that drafts him will need to have the team to keep him upright. Despite this we still consider Bryce Young to be the best player in the class and easily worthy of the top pick in the 2023 NFL Draft."
Bryce Young Quarterback Alabama | NFL Draft Profile & Scouting Report
Rating: 93.6 Rank: #1 Forty: 4.52 Bryce Young has the ability to become a generational talent at the next level. He has impressive arm talent, excellent overall accuracy, elite mobility, an...www.nfldraftbuzz.com
I'm one of those who don't expect a high pick QB to start immediately. I don't mind them holding a clipboard their entire first season and don't care about wins and losses if it means ruining that QB behind a subpar OL. A losing record in that situation actually helps correct if the team can draft quality linemen.
So he made two bad choices?
I know, I know… hands tied. Doing what the boss said. But he can fire them at the drop of a hat.
snake bit. Setting the bar low.
Sounds to me like the resident critic has your ear.
because I don’t think like you? C’mon man.
He didn't make the choices on any HC's or Gannon would be the HC.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Don't know what McShay is talking about. Because Young's Oline was so strong, he infrequently was pressured..................and when he was, he tended to "decompensate" resulting in very poor accuracy. He's going to see a lot more pressure in the NFL.
Agreed. He’s useless. Sooner we let him go, sooner we get a real GM
Why is he useless? IYO
Plenty of cap space and draft picks = a much brighter future than they've had in years.
What does a real GM look like in your mind?
You said he can’t hire his HC.
I said I agree, he’s useless.
You can’t figure out what I’m saying.
sandman
Brexit Advisor
Good size and build, arm strength, athlete, scrambler/runner... you just described a bunch of stats. Lots of guys have failed as NFL QB's with those stats.
As far as improving as the season went along, I will have to take your word for it because the game logs don't support your assessment.
First, his last two games that I mentioned weren't two good games. It was one good game with 400 yards, 60% completion rate and 3 TD's combined with one bad game with 198 yards, 33% completion rate and 3 TD's.
And even the good game was subjective because they were down 28-12 to Vandy when he started slinging the ball all over the field, throwing for 215 yards and 2 TDs on 10/19 attempts in the last 12 minutes of the game. Up until that point in the 4th quarter he had 185 passing yards.
In the FSU loss as his final collegiate game, here are his stats through 9:25 in the 2nd quarter: 5/7 151 yards 3TD 1INT. Absolutely brilliant.
For the rest of the game he doesn't make a completion until their final drive in the last two minutes, where he gets bailed out on a 4th and 18 with a PI call, makes three decent throws to get into the red zone, then proceeds to have three straight incompletions to lose the game by 7 points.
Second, in 3 of his last 5 games, he had a completion percentage below 50%. This was out of 88 pass attempts in those games, so it's not like the game plan was to limit him in this area. In his last four games he averaged 30 pass attempts per game, yet only got above 200 yards once. Again, he isn't in a run heavy offense that is attempting to limit is throwing.
All this to say that while he may have been seeing reads better and was responding to coaching, his play was inconsistent throughout the season and definitely not on an upward trajectory, he was also wildly inconsistent within games as noted above.
That being said, I don't see anything about how he plays that isn't correctable with coaching and experience. He doesn't look to run first but maximizes designed plays. Has all of the physical attributes as you noted above. But he is about as raw and unproven as any QB we've talked about in the last several years being a potential first round prospect, and could absolutely set himself up for next year's draft by getting another year of coaching and development under his belt at Florida.
I literally said that any QB taken is a risk, so not sure the need to counterpoint me. I'm simply saying there are much more NFL ready QB's that will be available to the Texans at 2 and 12 if that is the way they want to go. They don't need a project, despite all the "potential", "upside" and "high ceiling" adjectives that may be used to describe him. In my opinion, because I don't want to confuse anyone as to my role in the Texans draft this year.