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2023 HC Poll

Who do you want for the new HC?

  • Sean Payton

    Votes: 17 15.9%
  • DeMeco Ryans

    Votes: 48 44.9%
  • Mike Kafka

    Votes: 5 4.7%
  • Jonathan Gannon

    Votes: 11 10.3%
  • Shane Steichen

    Votes: 14 13.1%
  • Ben Johnson

    Votes: 8 7.5%
  • Ejiro Evero

    Votes: 1 0.9%
  • Other

    Votes: 3 2.8%

  • Total voters
    107

steelbtexan

King of the W. B. Club
Contributor's Club
Why the dichotomy? As if these two things cannot co-exist. I know this is shocking but it's possible to put an entertaining/good product on the field AND win a championship.
Not if you reside on Kirby and settling for a QB leads to where the Texans are today.
 

Porky

Hall of Fame
Not if you reside on Kirby and settling for a QB leads to where the Texans are today.
Who decides what settling means? Apparently, you have a unique ability to see into the future and know more than scouts do about how particular QB's might fare in the NFL. Send me next week's lotto numbers while you're on a roll.

I don't think taking a QB high in 2023 is settling. There are 3 guys that have a chance to be special at the top of the draft. There will be others taken later than outperform their draft status. See, Purdy, Brock. It happens every year but MOST of the top QB's in this league are indeed first-rounders. Taking your guy at 1.2 after an extensive scouting process isn't settling. It's doing what you always claim to want - finding your guy and going for it. You can't hit a home run with the bat on your shoulder. And this is likely the last year you can take a guy this high without giving up valuable picks in compensation to do it.

Strike while the iron is hot, take your shot, roll the dice and hope you got your man. That's all any of the 32 teams can do. Not a single one of them knows with certainty that a particular guy will be "the dude". If that were the case, Brady would have been pick 1.1 in his draft.
 

vtech9

All Pro
Who decides what settling means? Apparently, you have a unique ability to see into the future and know more than scouts do about how particular QB's might fare in the NFL. Send me next week's lotto numbers while you're on a roll.

I don't think taking a QB high in 2023 is settling. There are 3 guys that have a chance to be special at the top of the draft. There will be others taken later than outperform their draft status. See, Purdy, Brock. It happens every year but MOST of the top QB's in this league are indeed first-rounders. Taking your guy at 1.2 after an extensive scouting process isn't settling. It's doing what you always claim to want - finding your guy and going for it. You can't hit a home run with the bat on your shoulder. And this is likely the last year you can take a guy this high without giving up valuable picks in compensation to do it.

Strike while the iron is hot, take your shot, roll the dice and hope you got your man. That's all any of the 32 teams can do. Not a single one of them knows with certainty that a particular guy will be "the dude". If that were the case, Brady would have been pick 1.1 in his draft.
Taking a QB high in 2023 isn't settling, it's reaching. If I'm going to Strike while the iron is hot, take my shot, roll the dice, and hope I get my man, I'm drafting Georgia DT Jalen Carter if Chicago takes Will Anderson. If Chicago takes Carter, I'm either trading down, and taking Tyree Wilson, or staying put and taking Will Anderson. I'll get my QB in the 5th by taking Jake Haener.
 

Texansphan

Hall of Fame
Who decides what settling means? Apparently, you have a unique ability to see into the future and know more than scouts do about how particular QB's might fare in the NFL. Send me next week's lotto numbers while you're on a roll.

I don't think taking a QB high in 2023 is settling. There are 3 guys that have a chance to be special at the top of the draft. There will be others taken later than outperform their draft status. See, Purdy, Brock. It happens every year but MOST of the top QB's in this league are indeed first-rounders. Taking your guy at 1.2 after an extensive scouting process isn't settling. It's doing what you always claim to want - finding your guy and going for it. You can't hit a home run with the bat on your shoulder. And this is likely the last year you can take a guy this high without giving up valuable picks in compensation to do it.

Strike while the iron is hot, take your shot, roll the dice and hope you got your man. That's all any of the 32 teams can do. Not a single one of them knows with certainty that a particular guy will be "the dude". If that were the case, Brady would have been pick 1.1 in his draft.
I agree with everything you said except the bolded bit.
For example, we have two firsts next year for a start. Add in the draft after that you can sweeten a deal with.
Also, if Texans trade with a team who offer picks from next year's draft we might have a total of 4 firsts.
That should buy a very high pick.
 

JB

Old Curmudgeon
Contributor's Club
Taking a QB high in 2023 isn't settling, it's reaching
Why do all the professional scouting services disagree with you? I haven't seen a single big board that didn't have both Young & Stroud and often Levis in the top 10 overall. I get the sentiment as I would prefer they built the team first, but there is no guarantee that next years QB class will be any better
 

Porky

Hall of Fame
I agree with everything you said except the bolded bit.
For example, we have two firsts next year for a start. Add in the draft after that you can sweeten a deal with.
Also, if Texans trade with a team who offer picks from next year's draft we might have a total of 4 firsts.
That should buy a very high pick.
You are literally describing giving up "valuable picks" so you either don't think those picks are valuable or didn't understand my point. Carry on...
 

Texansphan

Hall of Fame
You are literally describing giving up "valuable picks" so you either don't think those picks are valuable or didn't understand my point. Carry on...
The part I was disagreeing with is this is the last year we can do it - it being drafting this high.
 

vtech9

All Pro
Why do all the professional scouting services disagree with you? I haven't seen a single big board that didn't have both Young & Stroud and often Levis in the top 10 overall. I get the sentiment as I would prefer they built the team first, but there is no guarantee that next years QB class will be any better
Why did they all think Mitchell Trubisky was the best QB in 2017?
 

vtech9

All Pro
What does that have to do with it? They didn't have him as a top 5 player and no one expected him to go #3
What does that have to do with it? The professional scouting services had Trubisky as the top QB. They were wrong. Just because they say something for this draft doesn't mean they are right. Mel Kiper is wrong way more than he is right. McShay is wrong, way more than he is right. I'm hoping Indy agrees with those guys, and trade up to #1 to get Young. I'm also hoping Indy makes Eric Bieniemy their HC.
 

JB

Old Curmudgeon
Contributor's Club
What does that have to do with it? The professional scouting services had Trubisky as the top QB. They were wrong. Just because they say something for this draft doesn't mean they are right. Mel Kiper is wrong way more than he is right. McShay is wrong, way more than he is right. I'm hoping Indy agrees with those guys, and trade up to #1 to get Young. I'm also hoping Indy makes Eric Bieniemy their HC.
Some had Trubisky as top, some had Watson but the point is that none had a QB in the top 10. But selecting a QB high when he is rated high is not a reach as you purport. I'd rather they take Anderson or Carter at #2 but I don't think it's going to happen
 

vtech9

All Pro
Some had Trubisky as top, some had Watson but the point is that none had a QB in the top 10. But selecting a QB high when he is rated high is not a reach as you purport. I'd rather they take Anderson or Carter at #2 but I don't think it's going to happen
It's a reach in my opinion, because I wouldn't take any QB in the top 10 this year. There is not a QB in this draft that I think will be ready to start from day ONE, and as a top 10 pick, they are expected to start. Honestly, I wouldn't take Young in the first round at all.
 

Speedy

Former Yeller Dweller
It's a reach in my opinion, because I wouldn't take any QB in the top 10 this year. There is not a QB in this draft that I think will be ready to start from day ONE, and as a top 10 pick, they are expected to start. Honestly, I wouldn't take Young in the first round at all.
So your take over the professional scouting services is the way to go?

You realize this drafting thing isn’t a science, right? Nobody knows how these players will translate at the next level. Not the professionals and certainly not armchair GMs on a freaking message board.
 

DocBar

Hall of Fame
Contributor's Club
Why the dichotomy? As if these two things cannot co-exist. I know this is shocking but it's possible to put an entertaining/good product on the field AND win a championship.
I'm just yanking SBT's chain.
 

Texansballer74

The Marine
Why do all the professional scouting services disagree with you? I haven't seen a single big board that didn't have both Young & Stroud and often Levis in the top 10 overall. I get the sentiment as I would prefer they built the team first, but there is no guarantee that next years QB class will be any better
Because they don’t have a particular agenda. And they’re not going off of who they like personally or who they don’t like.
 

OptimisticTexan

2022 Rebuilding Block 2 / Go Texans
Who decides what settling means? Apparently, you have a unique ability to see into the future and know more than scouts do about how particular QB's might fare in the NFL. Send me next week's lotto numbers while you're on a roll.

I don't think taking a QB high in 2023 is settling. There are 3 guys that have a chance to be special at the top of the draft. There will be others taken later than outperform their draft status. See, Purdy, Brock. It happens every year but MOST of the top QB's in this league are indeed first-rounders. Taking your guy at 1.2 after an extensive scouting process isn't settling. It's doing what you always claim to want - finding your guy and going for it. You can't hit a home run with the bat on your shoulder. And this is likely the last year you can take a guy this high without giving up valuable picks in compensation to do it.

Strike while the iron is hot, take your shot, roll the dice and hope you got your man. That's all any of the 32 teams can do. Not a single one of them knows with certainty that a particular guy will be "the dude". If that were the case, Brady would have been pick 1.1 in his draft.
What if "your guy" is a RD1 QB who you happen to get in RD2 or RD3? Is that still a great situation?
 

steelbtexan

King of the W. B. Club
Contributor's Club
Why do all the professional scouting services disagree with you? I haven't seen a single big board that didn't have both Young & Stroud and often Levis in the top 10 overall. I get the sentiment as I would prefer they built the team first, but there is no guarantee that next years QB class will be any better
Really it comes down to if you feel l there's not a championship level QB in this draft or not.

If you don't think there's one then you wait. Why because if you reach you end up with a Schaub situation at best and a Bortles situation at worst.
 

steelbtexan

King of the W. B. Club
Contributor's Club
Who decides what settling means? Apparently, you have a unique ability to see into the future and know more than scouts do about how particular QB's might fare in the NFL. Send me next week's lotto numbers while you're on a roll.

I don't think taking a QB high in 2023 is settling. There are 3 guys that have a chance to be special at the top of the draft. There will be others taken later than outperform their draft status. See, Purdy, Brock. It happens every year but MOST of the top QB's in this league are indeed first-rounders. Taking your guy at 1.2 after an extensive scouting process isn't settling. It's doing what you always claim to want - finding your guy and going for it. You can't hit a home run with the bat on your shoulder. And this is likely the last year you can take a guy this high without giving up valuable picks in compensation to do it.

Strike while the iron is hot, take your shot, roll the dice and hope you got your man. That's all any of the 32 teams can do. Not a single one of them knows with certainty that a particular guy will be "the dude". If that were the case, Brady would have been pick 1.1 in his draft.
You only take your shot if you like a QB in this draft.

Would you have liked RS to have taken his shot on Bortles?
 

JB

Old Curmudgeon
Contributor's Club
Really it comes down to if you feel l there's not a championship level QB in this draft or not.

If you don't think there's one then you wait. Why because if you reach you end up with a Schaub situation at best and a Bortles situation at worst.
No one thought that Mahomes or Hurts was a championship level QB pre-draft. No one thought Montana was a championship level QB pre-draft.
 

Porky

Hall of Fame
You only take your shot if you like a QB in this draft.

Would you have liked RS to have taken his shot on Bortles?
If his eval sold him and the scouts on him...sure. You can't live in Utiopa. You've got to roll the dice and see if you roll a 7. If it takes 2 or 3 rolls to get it right, fine. But you have zero chance of getting "the guy" if you don't play the game.
 

steelbtexan

King of the W. B. Club
Contributor's Club
So if Caserio takes a QB in this draft you're going to be calling for him to be fired until he is? And then putting the worst possible moves on all he does like you do RS?
2 totally different situations and you know this.

There was a QB I liked in the draft that McNair forced RS to draft a QB in. ( Mahomes)

There isn't a QB in this draft that I would pick in the 1st rd. Particularly at 1-2.

I didn't call for Casserlys head when McNair forced him to pick Carr. This situation is more like that than the RS picking Derrick. Plus RS had a decade to pick a QB and screwed it up when he was finally forced by the McNair's to draft a QB.

It's kinda sad that HC's and now a QB will be McNair picks that will be attributed to Caserio. BTW, I never blamed RS for the BOB hire. I only blamed him for his awful drafting record in rds 2-5.
 

Generic Fan

Practice Squad
No one thought that Mahomes or Hurts was a championship level QB pre-draft. No one thought Montana was a championship level QB pre-draft.
I would have to disagree about Mahomes. There were many who thought he would be a championship level QB, even if they didn't realize he would be as good as he turned out to be.
 

Xopher

Waterboy
So your take over the professional scouting services is the way to go?

You realize this drafting thing isn’t a science, right? Nobody knows how these players will translate at the next level. Not the professionals and certainly not armchair GMs on a freaking message board.
You also realize these professional scouting services and "professional mock drafts" are predicting where these players will go, right? Not WHEN they should go based upon skill.
 

Lucky

Ride, Captain, Ride!
Staff member
People were saying all kinds of things after the fact
There was actually chatter about this on draft night. The Saints were sitting at #11 hoping Mahomes fell in their lap. Chiefs jumped them. Another thing I remember from that night was the Jags GM was ready to move on from Bortles and take Watson at #4. He was overridden by Tom Coughlin, the executive VP of football operations, who wanted to give Bortles another chance by improving the running game. They took Leonard Fournette, instead.
 
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steelbtexan

King of the W. B. Club
Contributor's Club
If his eval sold him and the scouts on him...sure. You can't live in Utiopa. You've got to roll the dice and see if you roll a 7. If it takes 2 or 3 rolls to get it right, fine. But you have zero chance of getting "the guy" if you don't play the game.
Agreed, I dont believe any of these QB's are championship quality QB's in this draft and if you dont believe in the QB's in this draft then you shouldn't draft one.

My evals on the top 3 QB's in this draft.

1. Young- History says midgets dont win championships.
2. Stroud- Ohio St. QB that chooses an agent that if you draft him you're begging to be Derrick'ed in 3 yrs.
3. Levis- Toolsy but really raw and I dont trust the Texans org to properly develop him.

Pass on rolling the dice this yr. Next yr is a different story.
 

steelbtexan

King of the W. B. Club
Contributor's Club
That is correct. And if you always pass on QBs, you will never win. You have to take the chance to have a chance to win.
I believe in taking calculated gambles.

Gambling on a under 6'0 QB, 200 Lbs QB isn't a good bet.

Stroud- Good luck with drafting an Ohio St. QB. If you think that's a good gamble, let me introduce you to Haskins/Fields.

Levis- Simply dont like the fact that he forces throws too often.
 

Texansphan

Hall of Fame
Sorry man this is kind of a lazy effort on your part.
Purdy is the outlier of all outliers, possible exception Kurt Warner.

Using Purdy's so far limited success for analysis is a path to abject failure
I guess my point was you shouldn't be coy about pulling the trigger on QBs.
 

steelbtexan

King of the W. B. Club
Contributor's Club
You thought you could get Mahomes @ 23 if not the 2nd
Originally yes, by the end of the process, both Corrosion and me said that if RS was going to pick a QB that QB should be Mahomes. If RS had to trade up Mahomes was the only guy worth trading up for in that draft. But you already know this.
 
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Texansphan

Hall of Fame
Originally yes, by the end of the process, both Corrosion and me said that if RS was going to pick a QB that QB should be Mahomes. If RS had to trade up Mahomes was the only guy worth trading up for in that draft. But you already know this.
Before KC traded up I was watching carefully and hoping he would be the guy.
When they jumped up, I was mad.
Then Texans moved up for Watson and I thought Oops - knee jerk!
I have a suspicion they wanted Mahomes too.
 

vtech9

All Pro
There isn't a QB in this draft that I would pick in the 1st rd. Particularly at 1-2.
Exactly

Agreed, I dont believe any of these QB's are championship quality QB's in this draft and if you dont believe in the QB's in this draft then you shouldn't draft one.
Pass on rolling the dice this yr. Next yr is a different story.
This is exactly where I am.

So your take over the professional scouting services is the way to go?

You realize this drafting thing isn’t a science, right? Nobody knows how these players will translate at the next level. Not the professionals and certainly not armchair GMs on a freaking message board.
Yeah, the science experiment with Ryan Leaf sure failed.

Because they don’t have a particular agenda. And they’re not going off of who they like personally or who they don’t like.
Right. I guess they were also wrong on J-Load.
 

JB

Old Curmudgeon
Contributor's Club
Originally yes, by the end of the process, both Corrosion and me said that if RS was going to pick a QB that QB should be Mahomes. If RS had to trade up Mahomes was the only guy worth trading up for in that draft. But you already know this.
It wasn't just you and Corrosion, but you know this. We were all shocked that he went at 10
 

steelbtexan

King of the W. B. Club
Contributor's Club
So you’re right on all of your predictions huh. Gotcha. Might want to change your profession to a NFL scout or GM.
This is the best you could come up with after somebody disagrees with you that there isn't a franchise QB in this draft.

You can say this about any player we discuss.

You: I like player A

Me: I dont like player a because of height/weight/speed and dont think he skillset will win championships in the NFL.

You: Your not a scout, you dont know what you're looking at, you have an agenda etc...

Truth is I look at history and try to predict the chances of success, just like the scouts do and have no agendas.
 
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