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This is a really fun combine to follow. There is speed in every group.After Day 3 of the Combine I am expecting there to be major changes to draft bords and mock drafts. I wouldn't be surprised to see changes to picks 1, 2 and 3. If you haven't watched the Combine and you get a chance to watch the DL and Edge/DEs it is fun and entertaining. Several great performances.
andThe perfect DE for the Lovie Smith defense:
Travon Walker, 6050, 272, 10 3/4 hand, 35 1/2 arm, 84 1/4 wing
After Day 3 of the Combine I am expecting there to be major changes to draft bords and mock drafts. I wouldn't be surprised to see changes to picks 1, 2 and 3. If you haven't watched the Combine and you get a chance to watch the DL and Edge/DEs it is fun and entertaining. Several great performances.
After watching 3 days of the combine this is the yr to build the foundation on the OL/DL for yrs to come. This is a yr with unreal athletes on both sides of the line. Some of the best I've seen in all of my yrs as a draftnik. I want to wait and see the DB's tomorrow, but after today my draft board has really changed. My next mock will reflect this.
I know Sauce is #5 he should check that box tomorrow. So all we need are four above him and 5 below him, just in case. Shouldn't be this hard but know it is![]()
What does being Nigerian have anything to do with it?Yep, atleast with high draft picks after the oKoye experience.
Ekwonu has the same background as oKoye. From a family of doctors.
What does being Nigerian have anything to do with it?
Why are you not opposed to drafting white qbs since David Carr was a bust?oKOye had basically the same background as Ekwonu. From a family of Dr.'s in Nigeria.
This is a case of burn me once but you can't burn me twice.
I'm not opposed to picking Nigerian players in the later rds. But not in the 1st three rds.
Why are you not opposed to drafting white qbs since David Carr was a bust?
Why were you opposed to Derek Carr?I was opposed to picking Derek Carr for the same reason.
Why were you opposed to Derek Carr?
Who was the last all pro lt from Bama under Saban?Because he was a Carr and I never wanted to hear from Roger Carr again.
Who was the last all pro lt from Bama under Saban?
Nigeria burned you?This is a case of burn me once…
Nigeria burned you?
Think about what could have been. Jermaine Johnson transferred from Georgia, and possibly their best edge rusher, Adam Anderson, was arrested on 2 counts of sexual assault.I have never seen, one school draft class (14) like Georgia come out and dominant a combine like it’s their encore to National Championship.
Jordan Davis OFFICIAL 40 time: 4.78
Devonte Wyatt OFFICIAL 40 time: 4.77
Travon Walker OFFICIAL 40 time: 4.51
Jordan Davis is a 341 lb NT for Georgia, he ran faster than JJ Watt.
Think about what could have been. Jermaine Johnson transferred from Georgia, and possibly their best edge rusher, Adam Anderson, was arrested on 2 counts of sexual assault.
Hutchinson didn't impress me either but least he competed.
I don't know about the case, but a judge has allowed Anderson to perform at Georgia's pro day.Anybody heard what's up with Anderson's case?
It doesn't look good for him.
I don't know about the case, but a judge has allowed Anderson to perform at Georgia's pro day.
For those disappointed by K. Hamilton’s numbers at the combine, here’s a decent article comparing his results to other great safeties.
Article
40 yard dash was his only poor number far as I can tell. If I remember watching his run he stood up too quickly and looked like he didn't have a track background in terms technique and running style. He is plenty fast enough in cleats.
I agree with you! I think Hamilton is going to be a Pro Bowler, but I’ve seen plenty of people here and other places that were ragging on him.40 yard dash was his only poor number far as I can tell. If I remember watching his run he stood up too quickly and looked like he didn't have a track background in terms technique and running style. He is plenty fast enough in cleats.
I still like watching WR drillsI used to love watching the combine...
I still like watching WR drills
Yeah, WR drills are pretty cool...
I mean, any drill where they are doing actual football stuff is always cool to me...
I just mean stuff like the 40 and bench press and the athletic feats and stuff....
It's cool to talk about and see who the freaks are, but when it comes to actually playing football I would not move anybody up or down (unless they went to a small school and/or didn't have much film) based on their combine numbers.
Like I saw some stuff about Hamilton and Hutchinson reading around the interwebs...People moving Hamilton down because of 40 time is silly to me. Brian Dawkins ran 4.6...Ed Reed and Sean Taylor were both 4.5+ guys....
And then Hutchinson, I don't get at all...If you are going to look at numbers for a DE, I'd look at the cone and Shuttle...Huthinson had the fastest time out of the DE's in both drills and in the 3 cone which I think would matter the most, he had the second fastest time ever recorded by a DE. Only DE with a Faster 3cone drill was 6'3" 245lb Bruce Irvin. Meanwhile, 6'7" 260 lb Hutchinson was only .03 seconds slower.
Hutchinson would have placed top three in WR's for 3 cone drill...and would have been tied for 2nd in WR's for 20 yard shuttle...
Taylor was a while ago, same with Dawkins, those numbers are no longer applicable to the modern day combine prospect, its kinda of a big deal now, then it wasn't. Guys didn't train, supplements and diets have vastly improved, which I think is a lot to your point in the fabrication of these faster numbers and it pays. Safety is also a more bulky position too, carrying extra weight to unload and punish, not as much how fast they get there as much as how much impact. Having said that, Hamilton didn't look like he had been training for it, right back to your old school safeties. His hips were surprisingly tight, footwork uneven and in general not a top prospect quality workout. Those are just the facts. Now Sauce Gardner was something else. Very long and fluid, in and out of breaks. Smooth, quick acceleration, stops on a dime, change of direction elite. Looks like he has big hands and catches the ball easily, with control. I could watch him all day. He should not only go before Hamilton it shouldn't even be that close. I'm fine with Hutchinson, but even his ceiling is nowhere near Sauce. Everybody's big board will be different, it's just opinion and for entertainment purposes only. Based on value to a franchise moving into the future next 5 years
1. Trevon Walker
2. Ahmad Gardner
3. Aiden Hutchinson
4. Charles Cross
5. Ikem Ekwonu
6. Evan Neal
7. Jermaine Johnson
8. Kyle Hamilton
9. Kayvon Thibodeaux
10. Malik Willis
11. DeVonte Wyatt
12. Garrett Wilson
13. David Ojabo
14. Jordan Davis
15. Tyler Linderbaum
16. Zion Johnson
17. Chris Olave
18. Nakobe Dean
19. Trent McDuffie
20. Jameson Williams
Taylor was a while ago, same with Dawkins, those numbers are no longer applicable to the modern day combine prospect, its kinda of a big deal now, then it wasn't. Guys didn't train, supplements and diets have vastly improved, which I think is a lot to your point in the fabrication of these faster numbers and it pays. Safety is also a more bulky position too, carrying extra weight to unload and punish, not as much how fast they get there as much as how much impact. Having said that, Hamilton didn't look like he had been training for it, right back to your old school safeties. His hips were surprisingly tight, footwork uneven and in general not a top prospect quality workout. Those are just the facts. Now Sauce Gardner was something else. Very long and fluid, in and out of breaks. Smooth, quick acceleration, stops on a dime, change of direction elite. Looks like he has big hands and catches the ball easily, with control. I could watch him all day. He should not only go before Hamilton it shouldn't even be that close. I'm fine with Hutchinson, but even his ceiling is nowhere near Sauce. Everybody's big board will be different, it's just opinion and for entertainment purposes only. Based on value to a franchise moving into the future next 5 years
1. Trevon Walker #3 to your HOUSTON TEXANS
2. Ahmad Gardner #5 New York Giants
3. Aiden Hutchinson #2 to the Detroit Lions
4. Charles Cross #7 New York Giants
5. Ikem Ekwonu #1 to Jacksonville (ironically, shortly after Dane posted his mock the Jaguars franchise tagged Cam Robinson)
6. Evan Neal #4 to NY Jets
7. Jermaine Johnson #10 NY Jets
8. Kyle Hamilton #8 Atlanta Falcons
9. Kayvon Thibodeaux #9 Kayvon Thibodeaux (pick now belongs to the Packers)
10. Malik Willis #18 New Orleans Saints
11. DeVonte Wyatt #23 Arizona Cardinals
12. Garrett Wilson #13 Cleveland Browns
13. David Ojabo #17 LOS ANGELES CHARGERS (don't hate this pick but would take DeVonte Wyatt, higher on my big board)
14. Jordan Davis #14 Baltimore Ravens
15. Tyler Linderbaum #31 Cincinnati Bengals
16. Zion Johnson #20 Pittsburg Steelers
17. Chris Olave #19 Philadelphia Eagles
18. Nakobe Dean #29 Miami Dolphins
19. Trent McDuffie #15 Philadelphia Eagles
20. Jameson Williams #26 Tennesse Titans
Dane Brugler just came out today with his post combine mock draft (he could have waited until after the franchise tag announced). Otherwise pretty much in agreement except for Commanders selecting Kenny Pickett (arm reminds me of Baker Mayfield) over Malek Willis who evidently, is still rising. Also I like DeVonte Wyatt a whole lot more, not sure what's got left to prove, checked every box then some.
I like it
Man Thibodeaux really dropped in your rankings.
Love Hamilton and think he's going to be a great player.
I've got Davis ranked quite a bit higher. I think he can play about 40 quality snaps per game and an athlete like that can be taught how to rush the passer.
Pretty spot on with Brugler before his mock came out (we see same things). Trevon to Texans would be epic pick. Ahmad Gardner, the Sauce would be next best pick. Not interested in safety this high. Like Daxton Hill better with 2nd rd. pick, he can play CB as well as safety either high post or in the box.
Pretty spot on with Brugler before his mock came out (we see same things). Trevon to Texans would be epic pick. Ahmad Gardner, the Sauce would be next best pick. Not interested in safety this high. Like Daxton Hill better with 2nd rd. pick, he can play CB as well as safety either high post or in the box.
Taylor was a while ago, same with Dawkins, those numbers are no longer applicable to the modern day combine prospect, its kinda of a big deal now, then it wasn't.
So .... the offense has been relegated to the back seat, huh ? Well Okay ! Points put butts in seats .... but okay. Hey, I like a good - 2 point safety - as well as the next man .... and those extra point blocks .... oh my gosh, to die for ! This is going to be a crap shoot .... from now on, I don't even sit down at the computer, without a hand tied behind my back !
Disagree.
Its still not a big deal. And those numbers are still applicable.
Go look at the best players in the league and look at their combine numbers.
Sure there is a baseline for being a top pro athlete, but putting up amazing combine numbers isn't even close to being a pre-requisite to being a great pro player. Never has been and more than likely never will be.
Big proponent of taking Best Available Player, position of need (both sides of ball) higher positional value higher the grade. But then if you have your sights on going offense, would suggest trading down to point on your board where once again BPA meets up.
So here is an example, I have Charles Cross #4 on my Texan board and know Giants are a team needing OT help, if they pass, take different player or position you can bet they double back with that #7 pick so in advance I’m taking calls from teams picking #5 & #6 who want that #3 pick, see who gives us best offer, trade back take Cross, if it’s their 2nd rd pick for trading up, I would select Breece Hall. Now you have your franchise LT and Bell Cow RB, throw in a great DB/S/CB Dax Hill to replace Reed and think you’ve really succeeded improving this offense and replacing key defensive piece.
While everyone (rightfully) has been raving about how fast this group ran at the combine… I can’t help but notice the bench numbers seem lower than usual.
Zion Johnson’s 32 reps were the most? Lots of athletes not lifting? Maybe focusing on speed work and then will lift at their pro day?
Big proponent of taking Best Available Player, position of need (both sides of ball) higher positional value higher the grade. But then if you have your sights on going offense, would suggest trading down to point on your board where once again BPA meets up.
So here is an example, I have Charles Cross #4 on my Texan board and know Giants are a team needing OT help, if they pass, take different player or position you can bet they double back with that #7 pick so in advance I’m taking calls from teams picking #5 & #6 who want that #3 pick, see who gives us best offer, trade back take Cross, if it’s their 2nd rd pick for trading up, I would select Breece Hall. Now you have your franchise LT and Bell Cow RB, throw in a great DB/S/CB Dax Hill to replace Reed and think you’ve really succeeded improving this offense and replacing key defensive piece.