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Sorry was not supposed to send that out (deleted) just bad memories best left alone. Moving on now…When he was talking about loyalty, he was talking about ownership not backing his perverted azz. IMHO
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Sorry was not supposed to send that out (deleted) just bad memories best left alone. Moving on now…When he was talking about loyalty, he was talking about ownership not backing his perverted azz. IMHO
Unfortunately, as of now, we don't know which is which.The same in “as it’s a fucked up situation” but would still choose a football X’s and O’s coach who understands the game forward and backward schematically than a rah, rah change the culture guy. But hey if it works for Houston I’m all for it, just doesn’t impress me one bit.
FYI, David Cully has no ties to New England.Everything doesn’t have to come out of New England, memo to Cal.
FYI, David Cully has no ties to New England.
Me too? No idea…I wonder why we hired him then?
Have never seen this before, but it’s a local Texan you tube source that seemed to like hiring of Staley-Unfortunately, as of now, we don't know which is which.
Does Rex Ryan know defense? Is John Harbaugh a better HC?
We don't know Culley's coaching style, or Staley's for that matter. At best we know what we see at press conferences.
The point though, as others have stated, we could have brought in the 2nd coming of Joe Walsh & the next two/three years would be meh...
Have never seen this before, but it’s a local Texan you tube source that seemed to like hiring of Staley-
Unfortunately, as of now, we don't know which is which.
Does Rex Ryan know defense? Is John Harbaugh a better HC?
We don't know Culley's coaching style, or Staley's for that matter. At best we know what we see at press conferences.
The point though, as others have stated, we could have brought in the 2nd coming of Bill Walsh & the next two/three years would be meh...
I believe I’m more objective.See this is what happens if you don’t remove yourself completely from familiar surroundings.
I believe I’m more objective.
We have no idea how either of these guys will do as HC. We’ve seen OC/DCs that everyone thought would succeed fail. We’ve seen head scratchers selected as HC go on to success.
To me, the secret to success is coaching coaches. If they spend too much time developing players & not enough time developing coaches, they’re not going to succeed.
Hopefully Staley took ownership of the coaching taken place under him as a DC.
hopefully Culley has been a mentor for the young coaches he coached with.
I’m in no way saying Culley was the right pick. Only that I’m happy Caserio didn’t just grab a coordinator.
I believe I’m more objective.
We have no idea how either of these guys will do as HC. We’ve seen OC/DCs that everyone thought would succeed fail. We’ve seen head scratchers selected as HC go on to success.
To me, the secret to success is coaching coaches. If they spend too much time developing players & not enough time developing coaches, they’re not going to succeed.
Hopefully Staley took ownership of the coaching taken place under him as a DC.
hopefully Culley has been a mentor for the young coaches he coached with.
I’m in no way saying Culley was the right pick. Only that I’m happy Caserio didn’t just grab a coordinator.
IMO, it proves that the good old boys were even more adamant about genetic qualities needed to run an offense.27 years proves exactly what
In regards to you being more objective, please elaborate?
Great post.Of course we don’t know how it all plays out. None of us are time travelers. But we can take the information we have available to us and formulate solid opinions on that information. I mean, Vegas didn’t just grab a 5 win season for us out of their ass. They’re basing that on something. Of course that doesn’t mean they’ll be right either, but they at least put their money on their opinions.
If this is about Culley vs Staley, or whoever else the Texans could have brought in, understand that whoever came to the Texans was inheriting a disaster. I don’t believe anyone would win here in less than 2-3 years, especially with our QB situation. Staley, Bieniemy, Culley, whoever.
As far as Culley being here vs say a Staley in LA, well, Staley goes to a team in a lot better shape than the Texans are. Again, we’re not time travelers so we don’t really know, but the information available should tell you one has a better chance to succeed than the other.
That’s all this really is. What conclusions do you come to with the information you have. Personally, mine are more in line of what Vegas thinks. I can sit here and hope Lovie has a Son of Bum affect on the defense, but I don’t really believe it.
Culley is the antithesis of O'Brien, to be sure. Smiling. Upbeat. Friendly. Will the change be for good? Bad? Rearranging the deck chairs on the RMS Texan?I believe Culley was the HC choice to usher in a new culture within the locker room.
Sure. And plenty of those people see the headlight of the oncoming train.Anyone locally, if they stay on top of what is actually happening, should be capable of a more reasonable and intelligent analysis of the team.
My only point is we can only speculate what kind of HC Staley/Culley would be.Of course we don’t know how it all plays out. None of us are time travelers. But we can take the information we have available to us and formulate solid opinions on that information. I mean, Vegas didn’t just grab a 5 win season for us out of their ass.
As far as Culley being here vs say a Staley in LA,
Yup, exactly what I said.I don’t believe anyone would win here in less than 2-3 years, especially with our QB situation. Staley, Bieniemy, Culley, whoever.
As crappy as they are they’ve been better than half the NFL teams over the last decade.You don't have to be an expert at anything to see the Texans are a crappy NFL team.
As crappy as they are they’ve been better than half the NFL teams over the last decade.
As crappy as they are they’ve been better than half the NFL teams over the last decade.
When were those two AFC Championships? I must have missed them.F
First decade they had a slew of high picks including two number ones not including the 3rd #1 before trading picks away to win it all now. All for what, 2 AFC Championships? That’s bare minimum in my book as opposed to what they could have achieved.
For the last decade they played in the weakest division in the NFL and for the most part were one and done. Unless they played a team with a QB with a broken leg or Cincinnati.As crappy as they are they’ve been better than half the NFL teams over the last decade.
Yes. The NFL is full of crappy teamsFor the last decade they played in the weakest division in the NFL and for the most part were one and done. Unless they played a team with a QB with a broken leg or Cincinnati.
I'm looking everywhere for my AFC Championship hats?When were those two AFC Championships? I must have missed them.
As crappy as they are they’ve been better than half the NFL teams over the last decade.
AFC SouthWhen were those two AFC Championships? I must have missed them.
Reports from from OTA's are that the players are very receptive to and responding positively to the new regime. It was also pointed out that this will carry over through training camp and to start the season, but to have a lasting impact through the season, the makeover will need to have a positive impact on the field with improved play and wins. As one commentator on 610 put it, Culley needs to catch lightning in a bottle.Culley is the antithesis of O'Brien, to be sure. Smiling. Upbeat. Friendly. Will the change be for good? Bad? Rearranging the deck chairs on the RMS Texan?
Not sure. I'd be on the lookout for icebergs, though.
But what I've noticed, none of these people back up their negatism with specific details or analysis. They just make broad, generalized statements.Sure. And plenty of those people see the headlight of the oncoming train.
There's plenty of posts containing sound logic as to why the Texans are staring at an abysmal season. You don't care to acknowledge them, that's on you.But what I've noticed, none of these people back up their negatism with specific details or analysis. They just make broad, generalized statements.
But what I've noticed, none of these people back up their negatism with specific details or analysis. They just make broad, generalized statements.
Again, no supporting detail. This is a typical response.There's plenty of posts containing sound logic as to why the Texans are staring at an abysmal season. You don't care to acknowledge them, that's on you.
Let's talk about the new players. The Texans currently have 15 players on the roster listed as defensive linemen.They may know the Texans defensive rankings from last year, but do they realize just what replacing Anthony Weaver with Lovie Smith means for this coming season.
Few, nationally, deeply analyze our acquisitions. They just see we have a 55% turnover. But we can study each new player, see how they performed in the past, what their injury status has been and their current status, and, most importantly, how they will fit into the new schemes.
Auzoyah Alufohai | 98 | DL | 6-4 | 320 | 24 | 2 | West Georgia |
Ross Blacklock | 90 | DL | 6-3 | 290 | 22 | 2 | TCU |
Maliek Collins | 97 | DL | 6-2 | 310 | 26 | 6 | Nebraska |
Brandon Dunn | 92 | DL | 6-2 | 310 | 28 | 6 | Louisville |
Jonathan Greenard | 52 | DL | 6-3 | 263 | 24 | 2 | Florida |
Jordan Jenkins | 50 | DL | 6-3 | 260 | 26 | 6 | Georgia |
Jaleel Johnson | 91 | DL | 6-3 | 316 | 26 | 5 | Iowa |
Shaq Lawson | 93 | DL | 6-3 | 267 | 26 | 6 | Clemson |
Roy Lopez | 79 | DL | 6-2 | 318 | 23 | R | Arizona |
Jacob Martin | 54 | DL | 6-2 | 242 | 25 | 4 | Temple |
Whitney Mercilus | 59 | DL | 6-4 | 258 | 30 | 10 | Illinois |
Charles Omenihu | 94 | DL | 6-5 | 280 | 23 | 3 | Texas |
Derek Rivers | 95 | DL | 6-5 | 250 | 27 | 5 | Youngstown State |
Vincent Taylor | 96 | DL | 6-3 | 311 | 27 | 5 | Oklahoma State |
DeMarcus Walker |
Let's talk about the new players. The Texans currently have 15 players on the roster listed as defensive linemen.
Auzoyah Alufohai 98 DL 6-4 320 24 2 West Georgia Ross Blacklock 90 DL 6-3 290 22 2 TCU Maliek Collins 97 DL 6-2 310 26 6 Nebraska Brandon Dunn 92 DL 6-2 310 28 6 Louisville Jonathan Greenard 52 DL 6-3 263 24 2 Florida Jordan Jenkins 50 DL 6-3 260 26 6 Georgia Jaleel Johnson 91 DL 6-3 316 26 5 Iowa Shaq Lawson 93 DL 6-3 267 26 6 Clemson Roy Lopez 79 DL 6-2 318 23 R Arizona Jacob Martin 54 DL 6-2 242 25 4 Temple Whitney Mercilus 59 DL 6-4 258 30 10 Illinois Charles Omenihu 94 DL 6-5 280 23 3 Texas Derek Rivers 95 DL 6-5 250 27 5 Youngstown State Vincent Taylor 96 DL 6-3 311 27 5 Oklahoma State DeMarcus Walker
Collectively, these 15 players accumulated a total of 25.5 sacks in 2020. Now, not all 15 of these guys will make the team. Only about 8 or 9. But let's say the guys who make the team will get 25.5 sacks on the year. That would still be one of the most anemic pass rushes in the NFL. And there is no stud pass rusher to scheme for. Walker led this group with a grand total of 4.5 sacks in 2020.
That's the kind of talent on the 2021 Texans. Expansion team type talent. And that's why this will look like an expansion team.
From all the years I’ve watched football the one thing I know for certain......just dam near every offensive and defensive scheme can be highly successful provided they have the right personnel to execute the playbook.
I still believe that had the Run-N-Shoot of the 80’s had the WR’s and TE’s of today......it could absolutely be the best scoring show on the market. It’s weird that no team has thought to give it a whirl with the available talent in today’s game.
Technically, the run-n-shoot doesn't use TEs. The Roughnecks, who ran a hybrid run-n-shoot, didn't have any TEs on their roster. The Gamblers didn't have any TEs. I don't think you could do that in the NFL, but I would love to see someone try just to see what happens. Lots of teams have play designs built into their systems that are, in essence, a run-n-shoot play or formation. They just don't use it all the time.
The Oilers tried. We saw what happened.
I don't know if that can be completely blamed on the run & shoot. Lot of dysfunction in that organization.Yeah, the good ole Warren Moon days, that escaped me. Lots of passing yards, no championships. Fun to watch though.
This is what I mean, a defense of your position, and something which can be responded to.Let's talk about the new players. The Texans currently have 15 players on the roster listed as defensive linemen.
Collectively, these 15 players accumulated a total of 25.5 sacks in 2020. Now, not all 15 of these guys will make the team. Only about 8 or 9. But let's say the guys who make the team will get 25.5 sacks on the year. That would still be one of the most anemic pass rushes in the NFL. And there is no stud pass rusher to scheme for. Walker led this group with a grand total of 4.5 sacks in 2020.
Auzoyah Alufohai 98 DL 6-4 320 24 2 West Georgia Ross Blacklock 90 DL 6-3 290 22 2 TCU Maliek Collins 97 DL 6-2 310 26 6 Nebraska Brandon Dunn 92 DL 6-2 310 28 6 Louisville Jonathan Greenard 52 DL 6-3 263 24 2 Florida Jordan Jenkins 50 DL 6-3 260 26 6 Georgia Jaleel Johnson 91 DL 6-3 316 26 5 Iowa Shaq Lawson 93 DL 6-3 267 26 6 Clemson Roy Lopez 79 DL 6-2 318 23 R Arizona Jacob Martin 54 DL 6-2 242 25 4 Temple Whitney Mercilus 59 DL 6-4 258 30 10 Illinois Charles Omenihu 94 DL 6-5 280 23 3 Texas Derek Rivers 95 DL 6-5 250 27 5 Youngstown State Vincent Taylor 96 DL 6-3 311 27 5 Oklahoma State DeMarcus Walker
That's the kind of talent on the 2021 Texans. Expansion team type talent. And that's why this will look like an expansion team.
Geez, take a look through the numerous threads on the Texans offseason, and you'll find plenty of analysis on their moves by myself and many others. Your narrative that everyone is only bitching and complaining is false. And whatever bitching and complaining that has occurred has been trumped by cheerleading and false optimism.This is what I mean, a defense of your position, and something which can be responded to.
Mercilus was played out of position in the old 43 and will be moving to his natural position at DE
Mercilus has never played DE in a 43 base defense. He has sucked holding the edge, even in his younger years. Now, he doesn't hold up against the run or create a pass rush. I would hope one of the other half dozen DE candidates could emerge as a better option than Mercilus.Lawson also was played out of position by the Dolphins, playing OLB whereas he was playing DE with the Bills.
See this is what happens if you don’t remove yourself completely from familiar surroundings. Took me awhile, like I said two years to divorce myself from the Texan way of thinking. My favorite players, who I thought would be here to finish careers JJ Watt, Deshaun Watson, DeAndre Hopkins, Duane Brown, Clowney, Kareem Jackson and Honey Badger all gone. For what? A bag of rocks?
Cully is a new direction, that’s for sure. He is not off the Belichick tree, your right about that (Andy Reid) regardless he’s a yes man, to Caserio/Easterby.
Staley we know he will use same two high safety scheme, disguise his coverage and use more DB’s than LB’s and edge players will be more downhill, just like the Rams and he already has the personal to run it. Far as offensive it’s the Sean Payton New Orleans style Joe Lombardi brings, so will be a lot quicker sets/reads and ball will be spread out to multitude of weapons.
I really like the selection of Davis Mills. Outstanding 3rd round selection regardless the outcome and Pep who was Herbert QB coach with Chargers last season did miracles with him so expect same for Mills. Should be Texans starting QB sooner than later. First was very disappointed they released him, then Staley replaced him with Shanahan’s QB coach from 49ers, Shane Day, and one thing Staley does better than anybody is he gives them ownership. From players to coaches, he lets them be their self and brings out every ounce of talent. Expect Herbert to be even more refined and developed going into year two.
Its not rocket science but you do have to take a break and not stand so close to the flame.
Geez, take a look through the numerous threads on the Texans offseason, and you'll find plenty of analysis on their moves by myself and many others. Your narrative that everyone is only bitching and complaining is false. And whatever bitching and complaining that has occurred has been trumped by cheerleading and false optimism.
Mercilus has never played DE in a 43 base defense. He has sucked holding the edge, even in his younger years. Now, he doesn't hold up against the run or create a pass rush. I would hope one of the other half dozen DE candidates could emerge as a better option than Mercilus.
Lawson should be better in the 43. Ditto, Blacklock. Blacklock's development is the key to this unit becoming somewhat respectable.
Greenard and Martin will be out of position in this defense. I can see Greenard getting cut. O'Brien and then Crennel gave him minimal opportunities. Basically, still a rookie. That now has to learn a new NFL defense, playing under a coaching staff and front office that did not select him. I don't care for his odds on being in a Texans uni this fall.
Bottom line, this unit contains a bunch of has beens, JAGS, and unknowns. If you can find a worse overall d-line group in the NFL, I would be surprised.
Great post.
However...
Vegas represents nothing more than the collective opinion of betters across the nation, most of whom actually know little or nothing more than what they have been told by the news media or betting "experts".
Anyone locally, if they stay on top of what is actually happening, should be capable of a more reasonable and intelligent analysis of the team.
Nationally, people mostly only see the headlines, and last year's statistics. The Texans got rid of Hopkins, Watt, Fuller, the Watson fiasco, the organizational and coaching changes, etc.
But do you think nationally, and in Vegas, people are aware just had bad Mike Devlin has been as our OL coach; or what replacing him with James Campen represents.
They may know the Texans defensive rankings from last year, but do they realize just what replacing Anthony Weaver with Lovie Smith means for this coming season.
Few, nationally, deeply analyze our acquisitions. They just see we have a 55% turnover. But we can study each new player, see how they performed in the past, what their injury status has been and their current status, and, most importantly, how they will fit into the new schemes.
Today I just purchased Lindy's Pro Football Preview. They are projecting Mercilus as our starting OLB in Lovie's Tampa 2 defense, which is absolute rubbish, but is indicative of how outsiders are seeing the Texans.
Nationally, the "experts" are projecting the past into the future; whereas we have the capability of analyzing based on the latest state of, and news of, the team.
We need to wait and see, and the Texans need to prove themselves on the field of play, but I can't wait for training camp. Six weeks to go.
FIFYWhen he was talking about loyalty, he was talking about ownership notbackingbowing down to his every perverted azz whim. IMHO
Yeah, the good ole Warren Moon days, that escaped me. Lots of passing yards, no championships. Fun to watch though.
Technically, the run-n-shoot doesn't use TEs. The Roughnecks, who ran a hybrid run-n-shoot, didn't have any TEs on their roster. The Gamblers didn't have any TEs. I don't think you could do that in the NFL, but I would love to see someone try just to see what happens. Lots of teams have play designs built into their systems that are, in essence, a run-n-shoot play or formation. They just don't use it all the time.
So I consulted the Crystal Ball this morning. Sorry to say it is going to be a very long dark and dismal next 5 years for Texans fans. However there is good news. Come 2025 Nick Caserio, Jack Easterby and the McNair Family will all be gone. The new owner will exorcise all things New England and hire a GM and/or HC that is a true leader and knows how to WIN more than most. And with the 1st pick in the 2026 NFL Draft, The Houston Texans select QB Arch Manning from Clemson.Had to for own sanity and love of the game. Two years without football, Draft process the whole thing, O’Brian killed it for me. From Oregon, so was a big time Fouts fan then he was drafted by the Chargers in 73 and followed them until he left. Excited to come to Houston and actually have a team and thought the Oilers were great, then they left town. Now another QB from Oregon was drafted by the Chargers and that returned my interest. Still don’t know much about them, fired they’re Head Coach Lynn long after Texans let Bill go. Had no idea who Staley was other than the Rams Defensive Coordinator. They guy is brilliant, compelling and different than any head coach I’ve heard talk football. Everything doesn’t have to come out of New England, memo to Cal. Fan base seems split on Telesco the GM but most feel he knocked it out of the park in the draft so is safe for now, again credit Staley for that turnaround.
So I consulted the Crystal Ball this morning. Sorry to say it is going to be a very long dark and dismal next 5 years for Texans fans. However there is good news. Come 2025 Nick Caserio, Jack Easterby and the McNair Family will all be gone. The new owner will exorcise all things New England and hire a GM and/or HC that is a true leader and knows how to WIN more than most. And with the 1st pick in the 2026 NFL Draft, The Houston Texans select QB Arch Manning from Clemson.