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steelbtexan

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I know he is not proponent of preserving draft capital particularly in year 1 when it is your most valuable commodity. Nick is all to happy to trade it way. In a year when more draft picks are best, Nick ended up with less. I know Nick is a proponent of fiscal irresponsibility, robbing 2022 and 2023 for what amounts to basically nothing in 2021. Nick has never seen a contract that won't restructure. Buying a hamburger today and promising to repay next Tuesday is just plain bad business and bad management strategy. There simply is no excuse for Culley, even thou you may try. Refusing to take calls about interest in DW4 is just being a bonehead. Refusing to consider college coaches is just plain obstinate ignorance. There is nothing, absolutely nothing to suggest that Caserio will change his thought process. Sitting in a four wall office with no windows checking and grading scouting reports for 20 years does not make one a General Manager. It makes you a file clerk and this is why all of Belichicks file clerks have failed, most of them miserably.
Disagree I like quality over quantity when it comes to draft picks and the 2022 picks really weren't affected. You dont like the Mills pick. I do like the fact that Caserio took a swing at finding his QB. The risk is certainly worth it. IMHO I know you wanted a defensive draft, the defensive side of the ball in this yrs draft was very weak. I'm glad Caserio didn't try to force a pick. Collins has talent and the only reason he was available in the 3rd was because he opted out. Do you not like the Collins pick.

Isomewhat agree with you about the re-structures. But I dont have a problem with re-structuring Tunsil/Cooks. The Texans will be young and need established vets to show the young guys the ropes.

No excuses for Culley but I dont see him as a mistake. I see him as a placeholder who will be replaced in a couple of yrs once the talent is in place. How many college coaches have been successful in the NFL? Fickell as HC of the Texans is a laughable idea. He hasn't even been successful at a major college program. Heck Caserio may as well hire Tressel he's had more success at a higher level program.

Agreed about DW4, I would've traded him before all of the sexual predator stuff came out. You know my thoughts on this suject very well.

At this point we dont know how Caserio will do as a GM. Although we're in agreement in that I would've rather Dorsey or Wolf becoming the GM instead of Caserio. Truth is if Mills and/or Collins hit this draft will have been a success and only time will tell if this is the case.
 

steelbtexan

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The problem is, it’s not going to be two years. Cal has the people here that he likes, that are friends of his. Caserio and Easterby have lifetime appointments. I’m exaggerating, of course, but I suspect those two have very long leashes.

So far, I’m very unimpressed by Caserio’s choices for leadership roles. He’s brought in country club managers to run the team...a team that lacks discipline (if everything we’ve heard is true in regards of how the team as a whole approached preparation for upcoming games).

Which brings me to another question - who are the locker room leaders? I don’t think they have any which is pretty remarkable considering they are the most veteran team in the league.

As someone wrote on Twitter yesterday, the Texans are staring into the abyss. The best they can hope for is that they pick #1 in the 2022 pick and hit big on that pick. I don’t expect the Texans get anything for Watson because I think his career is looking like Vick’s. He’s going to do some jail time, contract will be voided and the Texans will have to release him.
They are in the process of taking out the trash, team leaders will emerge. Hopefully Caserio hits on the Mills pick and the #1 pick can be used after trading down a bit to re-build the defense. I agree with about the DW4 situation but I hope we're wrong.
 

SnakeEyes

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It is amazing and a head scratcher at how many people here have put their faith in Cal, Caserio, Easterby and Culley.
Culley- could be good or bad jury is out till we play
Easterby- cult leader... zero experience with personal so pray he is not helping. No faith in him
Cal- LOL is a tool and has no business being in charge
Caserio- good track record helping Hoodie find the players he needs to run the system. Smart and good talent evaluator. He was a large part of building a few SB winning teams. He is the only one who I have faith in and can get us out of the mess Cal, Easterby and OB left.
 

SnakeEyes

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Disagree I like quality over quantity when it comes to draft picks and the 2022 picks really weren't affected. You dont like the Mills pick. I do like the fact that Caserio took a swing at finding his QB. The risk is certainly worth it. IMHO I know you wanted a defensive draft, the defensive side of the ball in this yrs draft was very weak. I'm glad Caserio didn't try to force a pick. Collins has talent and the only reason he was available in the 3rd was because he opted out. Do you not like the Collins pick.

Isomewhat agree with you about the re-structures. But I dont have a problem with re-structuring Tunsil/Cooks. The Texans will be young and need established vets to show the young guys the ropes.

No excuses for Culley but I dont see him as a mistake. I see him as a placeholder who will be replaced in a couple of yrs once the talent is in place. How many college coaches have been successful in the NFL? Fickell as HC of the Texans is a laughable idea. He hasn't even been successful at a major college program. Heck Caserio may as well hire Tressel he's had more success at a higher level program.

Agreed about DW4, I would've traded him before all of the sexual predator stuff came out. You know my thoughts on this suject very well.

At this point we dont know how Caserio will do as a GM. Although we're in agreement in that I would've rather Dorsey or Wolf becoming the GM instead of Caserio. Truth is if Mills and/or Collins hit this draft will have been a success and only time will tell if this is the case.

Nick is going to be very good. He just has to get use to everything...and hopefully Cal and Easterby stay away from him. The guy knows how to do the job. Just has to be left alone to do it. Only him and the coaching staff and scouting team should be dealing with players.
 

beerlover

Hall of Fame
The only problem here is you're drafting and signing players for current coaching staff and offensive and defensive systems. You already have some square pegs for round holes. You got a OC who is from the Earhardt-Perkins school and the head coach and QB/passing game coach are WCO disciples. You hire a 4-3 Tampa 2 defensive coach when most of D players currently on the team are suited for the 3-4. You also have to wonder what kind of coach will come in here next where the GM will be picking his staff and players for him. Simply mind boggling. An award winning recipe for the combination FUBAR and SNAFU casserole. Caserio's GM style is beginning to remind me a lot of the GM Jerry Jones style.
Your too smart for your own good, if you remain fan of this organization.
 

thunderkyss

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The best they can hope for is that they pick #1 in the 2022 pick and hit big on that pick.
You'd think Texans fans would be Jaded concerning the # 1 overall pick.

Heck 1st round picks in general. We've hit on several. Still can't get past the Div play off round.
 

Texian

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Caserio- good track record helping Hoodie find the players he needs to run the system. Smart and good talent evaluator. He was a large part of building a few SB winning teams. He is the only one who I have faith in and can get us out of the mess Cal, Easterby and OB left.
Exactly what they said about Scott Pioli. If ever there was a can't miss GM who was going to build the next Super Bowl Dynasty it was Scott Pioli. And Scott Pioli was off to a much better start than Nick Caserio.
 

Texian

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Disagree I like quality over quantity when it comes to draft picks and the 2022 picks really weren't affected. You dont like the Mills pick.
It's not that I dislike Mills as much as I like 2 or 3 QBs a lot more who WILL be available in next year's draft. As far as to quality vs quantity I will take my 2021 draft over Caserio's and feel confident mine will be more effective than the few Nick drafted and signed. This fustercluck is exactly what I expect out of Kyle.
 
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Texian

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The problem is, it’s not going to be two years. Cal has the people here that he likes, that are friends of his. Caserio and Easterby have lifetime appointments. I’m exaggerating, of course, but I suspect those two have very long leashes.

So far, I’m very unimpressed by Caserio’s choices for leadership roles. He’s brought in country club managers to run the team...a team that lacks discipline (if everything we’ve heard is true in regards of how the team as a whole approached preparation for upcoming games).

Which brings me to another question - who are the locker room leaders? I don’t think they have any which is pretty remarkable considering they are the most veteran team in the league.

As someone wrote on Twitter yesterday, the Texans are staring into the abyss. The best they can hope for is that they pick #1 in the 2022 pick and hit big on that pick. I don’t expect the Texans get anything for Watson because I think his career is looking like Vick’s. He’s going to do some jail time, contract will be voided and the Texans will have to release him.
Over the next 3 years and the Texans win less than 10 games and are picking in the Top 5 every year it will be time for Nick and Jack to go. The public will demand it.
 
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steelbtexan

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It's not that I dislike Mills as much as I like 2 or 3 QBs a lot more who WILL be available in next year's draft. As far as to quality vs quantity I will take my 2021 draft over Caserio's and feel confident mine will be more effective than the few Nick drafted and signed.
How do you know this?

Have you really watched Mills play? I haven't and there's not much tape out there.

I'm glad you feel the way you do about your evals. I feel the same way about mine. Really if Mills is the guy this will be a successful draft. I also liked the Collins/Jordan picks. If they hit on 2 picks in this draft I will consider it a successful draft, especially since they didn't have 1st/2nd rd picks. If they hit on Mills then this has been a wildly successful draft.

What were you're expectations for this draft?
 

thunderkyss

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What are we expecting out of David Mills? To be our Russell Wilson or Tom Brady?

I know it's "possible" & would mean a very successful draft... but is that what we're expecting?


Not hoping. If you drafted him, what is your expectation?

I'm thinking Kirk Cousins, Case Keenum type starter in 2022.
 

steelbtexan

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What are we expecting out of David Mills? To be our Russell Wilson or Tom Brady?

I know it's "possible" & would mean a very successful draft... but is that what we're expecting?


Not hoping. If you drafted him, what is your expectation?

I'm thinking Kirk Cousins, Case Keenum type starter in 2022.
Matt Ryan
 

Texian

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I somewhat agree with you about the re-structures. But I dont have a problem with re-structuring Tunsil/Cooks. The Texans will be young and need established vets to show the young guys the ropes.

Fickell as HC of the Texans is a laughable idea. He hasn't even been successful at a major college program.
Tunsil and Cooks are not the only vets who can can show rookies the ropes. Cooks and Collins play different positions. Cooks contract is up after 2022 and the Texans now have $5MM in dead money in 2023 because of the restructure. That's plain dumb. Miami wasn't going to off Tunsil along term contract. Tunsil can opt out after 2022 season and Texans still on the hook for $8MM in dead money in 2023.

Luke Fickell's last 3 years at Cincinnati he's 31 - 6. WINNER! That spells knows how to win. Good HC! Almost beat Georgia in this years Peach Bowl. Coached under Tressel and Meyer. And then there is Kirby Smart, Jimbo Fisher to name a few others. If you want to give some one a chance Fickell is well deserving WINNER who knows how to win more games than most.
 

SnakeEyes

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It's not that I dislike Mills as much as I like 2 or 3 QBs a lot more who WILL be available in next year's draft. As far as to quality vs quantity I will take my 2021 draft over Caserio's and feel confident mine will be more effective than the few Nick drafted and signed. This fustercluck is exactly what I expect out of Kyle.
If Mills is not looking good by season end, they WILL be taking a QB next year. And if they have luck, Watson will be traded giving us 2-3 1st round picks. However, many feel that Mills is a 1st round QB if he had not come out this year. Had one more year of seasoning in college. Which is also why some feel he might be a huge steal if he can sit and learn for a year. You can get the opinions of some very respected names in scouting on the Texans All Access podcast about Mills
 

SnakeEyes

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Exactly what they said about Scott Pioli. If ever there was a can't miss GM who was going to build the next Super Bowl Dynasty it was Scott Pioli. And Scott Pioli was off to a much better start than Nick Caserio.
Wrong about that. As he won I think it is 3 SB rings already. And he was the guy who set the table up in NE. Seeing Hoodie has GM powers, he was listed as something else. However, Hoodie himself said he would not have been able to put some of the teams together without him. Watch the NFL Films short on Belichek (sp).
 

Texian

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Wrong about that. As he won I think it is 3 SB rings already. And he was the guy who set the table up in NE. Seeing Hoodie has GM powers, he was listed as something else. However, Hoodie himself said he would not have been able to put some of the teams together without him. Watch the NFL Films short on Belichek (sp).
Who are you talking about Pioli or Caserio? That's Belichick
 

Texian

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So you're bashing the Texans for not hiring someone that no others even considered worth talking to? Sure glad you're not the GM
No, I'm bashing the Texans for their inept and clueless ownership that hired a GM who hired a HC that no others even considered worth talking to? So I'm guessing, based on your comments, you're not happy with Kyle hiring Nick? I'm right there with you on this one.
 
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steelbtexan

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No, I'm bashing the Texans for their inept and clueless ownership that hired a GM who hired a HC that no others even considered worth talking to?
The GM was given a mandate to hire a minority HC.

Caserio picked Culley and out of the candidates Culley was the best choice. IMHO
 

Texian

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The GM was given a mandate to hire a minority HC.

Caserio picked Culley and out of the candidates Culley was the best choice. IMHO
Your statement pretty much confirms my bashing the Texans for their inept and clueless ownership, that is perfectly illustrated by your comments. One terrible horrible decision has led to several terrible horrible decisions.
 

steelbtexan

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Your statement pretty much confirms my bashing the Texans for their inept and clueless ownership, that is perfectly illustrated by your comments. One terrible horrible decision has led to several terrible horrible decisions.
Agreed, this is on ownership not Caserio. I want to believe the hires of Culley/Kelly were an attempt by Cal to appease DW4. It's decisions like this by ownership that makes me give Caserio the benefit of the doubt. It's going to take a couple of yrs to take out the trash and that's only if Cal let's Caserio take full measures. Unfortunately that's where they are and I get why you're unhappy. I doubt Cal let's Caserio take full measures to cleanup the mess that was left for him and none of which is his own doing.
 

KA4Texan

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As for me, I expect very little.

As for the choices that we have at GM, HC and Cal

NC- While he may be a bust or a genius at GM.... I prefer him over the previous GM

Culley- I think he is simply being led to slaughter, but best of luck to him and... again... I prefer to see him than the previous HC.

Cal- He seems perfectly capable of telling us that "we are on the right track." At the beginning or end of any given season... so... meh... its who we have.

The lack of the previous GM and HC is the only reason I find for optimism, but being a Texans.... and Houston football fan long enough to know... optimism is what fuels the curse and makes it stronger.

I can hope that they pull this band of misfits together like some Disney movie.... but I know if I crap in one hand hope in the other......somehow, somewhere DW is trying to get a massage.
 

beerlover

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Shockingly low football acumen on Kirby, you would have thought that would have been developed and evolved into some form of competency?

It’s simply confounding. They have CEO mentality but no technicians to operate it.
Texans had first shot at all the coaching candidates, that’s a fact and they opted for a Head Cheerleader. Meanwhile other franchises collected all the talent and assembled cast of best of the best prospects. Takes both to win and Texans have neither.
 

thunderkyss

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Shockingly low football acumen on Kirby, you would have thought that would have been developed and evolved into some form of competency?

It’s simply confounding. They have CEO mentality but no technicians to operate it.
Texans had first shot at all the coaching candidates, that’s a fact and they opted for a Head Cheerleader. Meanwhile other franchises collected all the talent and assembled cast of best of the best prospects. Takes both to win and Texans have neither.
I’m glad the Texans didn’t grab the latest fad, media hyped candidates. We’ve got 30+ years of history saying that way doesn’t work.
 

beerlover

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I’m glad the Texans didn’t grab the latest fad, media hyped candidates. We’ve got 30+ years of history saying that way doesn’t work.
Who says it’s all fad? A bright young football mind who assembles experience to make up for any he lacks is a dynamic combination. I’ll just use Brandon Staley for example. Turned Rams defense into #1 in the NFL one season, of course talent was there but he had to unleash it and bring out the best skill sets with everyone, not just Aaron Donald or Jaylon Ramsey. Now he inherited one of the worst defenses and worse offensive line in the NFL last season. You see what he’s done so far, the moves the free agent signings to bolster OL. The draft adding more depth especially special teams (not unlike Texans in that department).

look it’s difficult if not impossible to address all needs in one offseason but the right coach and staff go along way to filter out and blend in talent with the GM. I always longed for the Texans to have a great Head Coach, pains me to still not have one while other teams do, very rare all this happened in one off season, in opposite directions. Looking forward to December 26th
 
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thunderkyss

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Who says it’s all fad? A bright young football mind who assembles experience to make up for any he lacks is a dynamic combination. I’ll just use Brandon Staley for example. Turned Rams defense into #1 in the NFL one season, of course talent was there but he had to unleash it and bring out the best skill sets with everyone, not just Aaron Donald or Jaylon Ramsey. Now he inherited one of the worst defenses and worse offensive line in the NFL last season. You see what he’s done so far, the moves the free agent signings to bolster OL. The draft adding more depth especially special teams (not unlike Texans in that department).

look it’s difficult if not impossible to address all needs in one offseason but the right coach and staff go along way to filter out and blend in talent with the GM. I always longed for the Texans to have a great Head Coach, pains me to still not have one while other teams do, very rare all this happened in one off season, in opposite directions. Looking forward to December 26th
So... how would I feel if Brandon Staley were our head coach, Watson was demanding to be traded to a team with no assets (while facing criminal charges), we freed up cap space multiple times to spend it on, “I got a little left in the tank” free agents, & didn’t pick until 67 in the latest draft?

:thinking:

I’m thinking about the same.
 

Speedy

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So... how would I feel if Brandon Staley were our head coach, Watson was demanding to be traded to a team with no assets (while facing criminal charges), we freed up cap space multiple times to spend it on, “I got a little left in the tank” free agents, & didn’t pick until 67 in the latest draft?

:thinking:

I’m thinking about the same.
Whoever came in here was going to inherit a dumpster fire. I don't think a Staley, Beiniemy or whoever, would have made much difference for the next couple of years. May be why they opted for Culley, using him as a Bo Porter, until this franchise could get close to getting their head above water.
 

KA4Texan

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Whoever came in here was going to inherit a dumpster fire. I don't think a Staley, Beiniemy or whoever, would have made much difference for the next couple of years. May be why they opted for Culley, using him as a Bo Porter, until this franchise could get close to getting their head above water.
IF OB hadnt been completely inept and new leadership had real assets to work with..... then I might be a little more upset....but being what it is....its a turd... its gonna stink... flush it, polish it, spray it with lysol... whatever.... lets just move forward without him.

OB made me miss his predecessor, I cant see Culley being here long enough or inept enough to ever make me miss his. So already its baby steps forward.
 

beerlover

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So... how would I feel if Brandon Staley were our head coach, Watson was demanding to be traded to a team with no assets (while facing criminal charges), we freed up cap space multiple times to spend it on, “I got a little left in the tank” free agents, & didn’t pick until 67 in the latest draft?

:thinking:

I’m thinking about the same.
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beerlover

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So... how would I feel if Brandon Staley were our head coach, Watson was demanding to be traded to a team with no assets (while facing criminal charges), we freed up cap space multiple times to spend it on, “I got a little left in the tank” free agents, & didn’t pick until 67 in the latest draft?

:thinking:

I’m thinking about the same.
The same in “as it’s a fucked up situation” but would still choose a football X’s and O’s coach who understands the game forward and backward schematically than a rah, rah change the culture guy. But hey if it works for Houston I’m all for it, just doesn’t impress me one bit.
 

beerlover

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Ah, he's HC of the Chargers now. Sorry, wasn't making the connection.
Had to for own sanity and love of the game. Two years without football, Draft process the whole thing, O’Brian killed it for me. From Oregon, so was a big time Fouts fan then he was drafted by the Chargers in 73 and followed them until he left. Excited to come to Houston and actually have a team and thought the Oilers were great, then they left town. Now another QB from Oregon was drafted by the Chargers and that returned my interest. Still don’t know much about them, fired they’re Head Coach Lynn long after Texans let Bill go. Had no idea who Staley was other than the Rams Defensive Coordinator. They guy is brilliant, compelling and different than any head coach I’ve heard talk football. Everything doesn’t have to come out of New England, memo to Cal. Fan base seems split on Telesco the GM but most feel he knocked it out of the park in the draft so is safe for now, again credit Staley for that turnaround.
 
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steelbtexan

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Who says it’s all fad? A bright young football mind who assembles experience to make up for any he lacks is a dynamic combination. I’ll just use Brandon Staley for example. Turned Rams defense into #1 in the NFL one season, of course talent was there but he had to unleash it and bring out the best skill sets with everyone, not just Aaron Donald or Jaylon Ramsey. Now he inherited one of the worst defenses and worse offensive line in the NFL last season. You see what he’s done so far, the moves the free agent signings to bolster OL. The draft adding more depth especially special teams (not unlike Texans in that department).

look it’s difficult if not impossible to address all needs in one offseason but the right coach and staff go along way to filter out and blend in talent with the GM. I always longed for the Texans to have a great Head Coach, pains me to still not have one while other teams do, very rare all this happened in one off season, in opposite directions. Looking forward to December 26th
Quoted for truth

Looking forward to going to the game with you.

I will introduce you to my friend who's a fellow Duck.
 


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