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2021 NFL Draft

Mr teX said:
He keeps saying 2 million b/c only 4 of his 6 is GTD which is obviously 2 million over what he would've recieved if he'd been cut.
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OK, so if Johnson is cut prior to week 1...he "only" gets $4.25 million. Which is $2 million more than he would have if cut.

But follow me here for a moment. If Johnson is on the roster week 1...his entire salary is guaranteed. That's $6 million. $4 million more than he would have made had he been cut ($6 million - $2 million = $4 million).

However, you're suggesting that maybe Johnson doesn't get the entire $6 million. That the Texans might cut him prior to week one, and "only" gets $4.25 million from the Texans. For nothing. As opposed to $2.1 million from the Texans if cut now.

Really? David Johnson is making $6 million this year from the Texans. $4 million more than if he were cut. Please stop with the nonsense, it's embarrassing.
 
Lucky said:
OK, so if Johnson is cut prior to week 1...he "only" gets $4.25 million. Which is $2 million more than he would have if cut.

But follow me here for a moment. If Johnson is on the roster week 1...his entire salary is guaranteed. That's $6 million. $4 million more than he would have made had he been cut ($6 million - $2 million = $4 million).

However, you're suggesting that maybe Johnson doesn't get the entire $6 million. That the Texans might cut him prior to week one, and "only" gets $4.25 million from the Texans. For nothing. As opposed to $2.1 million from the Texans if cut now.

Really? David Johnson is making $6 million this year from the Texans. $4 million more than if he were cut. Please stop with the nonsense, it's embarrassing.
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So basically your gripe is you don't want to pay him anything then...you just want to look at someone else run the ball & you think we could get the same production for cheaper. That FA list i posted disagrees with your premise. Your entire argument is unrealistic as hell simply b/c short of bringing in a rookie who will make veritable pennies on a dollar, WHOMEVER you bring in off the FA market is gonna make as much if not MORE than what we're giving DJ once the season starts....That is if they want to come here.............and they're as good.......and you can get them for a year deal.

Look at the list i put in my last post bro. Lots of guys you could say are better or equivalent to DJ skill wise. But again, how many of them do you think are as good and would sign for what we go DJ for? There's literally 1 guy in that top 15 who might do that..........& you'd have to go out & get him.........as opposed to try & renegotiate with the guy you already have on the roster.

With the way the RB position has depreciated over the last 1/2 decade, rb more so than any other position...those guys have to get their money NOW so thinking you're gonna get some young veteran come here playing for veritable pennies on a 1 year prove it deal is a pipe dream...unless its a rookie.
 
Mr teX said:
So basically your gripe is you don't want to pay him anything then...you just want to look at someone else run the ball & you think we could get the same production for cheaper.
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Basically, I'm tired of seeing gross misinformation here on this forum. Be honest, or at least more diligent, when presenting arguments.

I was against bringing in Johnson in the trade. That contract was ludicrous. I'm against paying Johnson, now. We have no idea who is being cut. Give him his free $2 million, and take your chances on the free agent market. The guy sucked hard for 14 weeks, then decided to show up the last 2 weeks of the season.

Now, he's a year older. It's a stupid move I would expect from O'Brien. The guys left are apparently no better. Can't cut Johnson outright because it will make the Hopkins "look" worse. So, give the guy another $4 million. That's the dysfunction that still exists on Kirby.
 
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Lucky said:
Basically, I'm tired of seeing gross misinformation here on this forum. Be honest, or at least more diligent, when presenting arguments.

I was against bringing in Johnson in the trade. That contract was ludicrous. I'm against paying Johnson, now. We have no idea who is being cut. Give him his free $2 million, and take your chances on the free agent market. The guy sucked hard for 14 weeks, then decided to show up the last 2 weeks of the season.

Now, he's a year older. It's a stupid move I would expect from O'Brien. The guys left are apparently no better. Can't cut Johnson outright because it will make the Hopkins "look" worse. So, give the guy another $4 million. That's the dysfunction that still exists on Kirby.
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As opposed to what? Giving another guy the same amount of money or more on a per year basis that will in all likelihood not only impact this team's salary cap beyond 2021 but also see said RB perform only marginally better than DJ did last year or this year. The whole team "sucked hard" for 14 weeks with a top young qb and that wasn't purported to change much with a better RB last year, or a cheaper one THIS year & you're delusional if you believe otherwise.

& Lol, there's noone left in the FO or on the coaching staff who was apart of that Nuk trade that would give 2 shits about how the hopkins trade "looks" at this point. It is/was regarded as 1 of the worst trades of all time at the time it was made. You seem to be the only 1 concerned with this. The Texans are scorched earth right now & you're fooling yourself if you believe that NC retained DJ JUST to help the previous regime save face.
 
Lucky said:
Basically, I'm tired of seeing gross misinformation here on this forum. Be honest, or at least more diligent, when presenting arguments.

I was against bringing in Johnson in the trade. That contract was ludicrous. I'm against paying Johnson, now. We have no idea who is being cut. Give him his free $2 million, and take your chances on the free agent market. The guy sucked hard for 14 weeks, then decided to show up the last 2 weeks of the season.

Now, he's a year older. It's a stupid move I would expect from O'Brien. The guys left are apparently no better. Can't cut Johnson outright because it will make the Hopkins "look" worse. So, give the guy another $4 million. That's the dysfunction that still exists on Kirby.
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Not to mention his last year in Arizona was really awful. So bad he was benched.
 
Mr teX said:
Lol, there's noone left in the FO or on the coaching staff who was apart of that Nuk trade
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NFL 4 round mock draft by Chad Reuter.

Texans selections:

Pick #67 - Landon Dickerson - C - Alabama
Pick # 110 - Elijah Moore - WR - Mississippi
Pick #123 - Chuba Hubbard - RB - Oklahoma State

So, all offensive players in the initial 3 picks? Sure, why not?
 
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Lucky said:
NFL 4 round mock draft by Chad Reuter.

Texans selections:

Pick #67 - Landon Dickerson - C - Alabama
Pick # 110 - Elijiah Moore - WR - Mississippi
Pick #123 - Chuba Hubbard - RB - Oklahoma State

So, all offensive players in the initial 3 picks? Sure, why not?
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It's not unusual for Reuter to flash his dumbass in his early mocks
 
Lucky said:
NFL 4 round mock draft by Chad Reuter.

Texans selections:

Pick #67 - Landon Dickerson - C - Alabama
Pick # 110 - Elijah Moore - WR - Mississippi
Pick #123 - Chuba Hubbard - RB - Oklahoma State

So, all offensive players in the initial 3 picks? Sure, why not?
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I like Rueter, always thought he was more knowledge, logical. This is a weak draft for defense especially after first 2 rds. That's not a bad mock draft.
 
Texian said:
I like Rueter, always thought he was more knowledge, logical. This is a weak draft for defense especially after first 2 rds. That's not a bad mock draft.
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Actually, the players are damn good. And are need picks. Just that the Texans are so bare on defense that's it's ridiculous. The least amount of talent ever on the Texans. Even the expansion years.
 
Lucky said:
The Gut is one of those guys that doesn't look like an athlete. Then you see him move on the field and say, "Oh yeah, he's an athlete."

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His athleticism reminds me of Kyle Long. I remember watching Long do drills at the Combine, Kyle was far and away the most athletic OL on the field. I'm seeing the same thing with Quinn Meinerz.
 
Wisconsin-Whitewater

iOL Quinn Meinerz

Height: 6'3″ (19th percentile among guards)
Weight: 320 (79th)
Vertical: 32 (90th)
Broad jump: 111 (90th)
40-yard: 4.86 (99th)
Short shuttle: 4.47 (93rd)
3-cone: 7.33 (97th)

Meinerz hasn’t played a down for D-III Wisconsin-Whitewater since the 2019 season due to COVID-19 impacting their 2020 campaign, but his draft stock has skyrocketed in recent months. He dominated the Senior Bowl with the second-highest win rate in one-on-ones among all interior offensive linemen and just crushed his pro day.

Every single one of those testing numbers from Meinerz surpassed the 90th percentile among interior offensive line prospects historically. Teams are unlikely to take chances on small-school prospects early in the 2021 NFL Draft, but Meinerz looks like an exception to that.

2021 NFL Draft: Pro Day schedule & results tracker | College Football | PFF
 
Texian said:
Wisconsin-Whitewater

iOL Quinn Meinerz

Height: 6'3″ (19th percentile among guards)
Weight: 320 (79th)
Vertical: 32 (90th)
Broad jump: 111 (90th)
40-yard: 4.86 (99th)
Short shuttle: 4.47 (93rd)
3-cone: 7.33 (97th)

Meinerz hasn’t played a down for D-III Wisconsin-Whitewater since the 2019 season due to COVID-19 impacting their 2020 campaign, but his draft stock has skyrocketed in recent months. He dominated the Senior Bowl with the second-highest win rate in one-on-ones among all interior offensive linemen and just crushed his pro day.

Every single one of those testing numbers from Meinerz surpassed the 90th percentile among interior offensive line prospects historically. Teams are unlikely to take chances on small-school prospects early in the 2021 NFL Draft, but Meinerz looks like an exception to that.

2021 NFL Draft: Pro Day schedule & results tracker | College Football | PFF
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I have no chice but to like him. I can't remember an offensive lineman with more innate, honest "want to."! He honestly a happy warrior. I'll bet, with some pro coaching, he could play anywhere on the interior. He might even lend some enthusiasm to his team mates ! Hey Tex, aren't you surprised that someone's not making tapes of these pro days ? I'm in the dark here !
 
badboy said:
But Ingram only has to go back to one year before to have great stats compared to David Johnson's rookie year. Also it looks like every other season is off and he had that in 2020 so 1000-yard season sure! Gives us another draft pick as we don't have to use one for an RB
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I really liked the idea of Williams (NC) and Sermon (Ohio St) taking over the running game for the next 5-6 years. A couple of solid picks on the OL and these two carrying the running chores could help any QB succeed.
 
WR-Josh Imator!@#$%& from Illinois performed a 46.5 vertical with an 11'2" broad .... and he's 6'2" - 220 - DAMN !!
 
draft Order as of March 21

draftwire.usatoday.com

Full 2021 NFL draft order

After a few last-minute tweaks, the NFL has officially announced the full seven-round pick order for the 2021 NFL draft. From No 1. overall all the way to the future Mr. Irrelevant, here's every selection in this year's draft, as things currently stand:
draftwire.usatoday.com
 
Texian said:
Wisconsin-Whitewater

iOL Quinn Meinerz

Height: 6'3″ (19th percentile among guards)
Weight: 320 (79th)
Vertical: 32 (90th)
Broad jump: 111 (90th)
40-yard: 4.86 (99th)
Short shuttle: 4.47 (93rd)
3-cone: 7.33 (97th)

Meinerz hasn’t played a down for D-III Wisconsin-Whitewater since the 2019 season due to COVID-19 impacting their 2020 campaign, but his draft stock has skyrocketed in recent months. He dominated the Senior Bowl with the second-highest win rate in one-on-ones among all interior offensive linemen and just crushed his pro day.

Every single one of those testing numbers from Meinerz surpassed the 90th percentile among interior offensive line prospects historically. Teams are unlikely to take chances on small-school prospects early in the 2021 NFL Draft, but Meinerz looks like an exception to that.

2021 NFL Draft: Pro Day schedule & results tracker | College Football | PFF
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I like that he was a wrestler in high school. Wrestlers transition real well as OL/DL in football due to their ability to win the hand-fight and specialized skill in moving humans when they don't want to be moved.

Stephen Neal, NCAA/freestyle champion wrestler, became a solid starting guard for the Patriots in the 2000s despite never playing a down of college football. I would love it if the Texans took Meinerz if he fell to 67 to solidify the interior OL. Moldable player who could compete with Scharping or Britt for one of the starting spots this year and has the talent to be a solid starter for years to come.
 
ArlingtonTexan said:
draft Order as of March 21

draftwire.usatoday.com

Full 2021 NFL draft order

After a few last-minute tweaks, the NFL has officially announced the full seven-round pick order for the 2021 NFL draft. From No 1. overall all the way to the future Mr. Irrelevant, here's every selection in this year's draft, as things currently stand:
draftwire.usatoday.com
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So what happened to the 7th round pick the Texans picked up from Dallas for Eli Anjou? Was that for 2022?

cowboyswire.usatoday.com

Report: Cowboys acquire DT Eli Ankou from Texans for 7th-round pick

The Dallas Cowboys saw two defensive linemen exit the arena this week, as they traded away Everson Griffen to the Detroit Lions and released Dontari Poe. The moves will allow several players to get more snaps to prove their worth but they did leave holes in the 53-man…
cowboyswire.usatoday.com
 
Lucky said:
Why the love for Tua? They were on a team that won a lot.
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He doesn't have special traits in my opinion. To me, unless you have a stacked squad, your qb needs to have special qualities. Winning alot games on a stacked squad doesn't equate. Thats why when you look at the top 10 qbs in the NFL, Watson is only one on from a powerhouse program
 
leebigeztx said:
He doesn't have special traits in my opinion. To me, unless you have a stacked squad, your qb needs to have special qualities. Winning alot games on a stacked squad doesn't equate. Thats why when you look at the top 10 qbs in the NFL, Watson is only one on from a powerhouse program
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Joe Burrow says hi.
 
leebigeztx said:
He doesn't have special traits in my opinion. To me, unless you have a stacked squad, your qb needs to have special qualities. Winning alot games on a stacked squad doesn't equate. Thats why when you look at the top 10 qbs in the NFL, Watson is only one on from a powerhouse program
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Wasn't that Tua's rookie season, with a new squad?
There's a good chance he ends up improving and/or on our squad.
 
Lucky said:
So what happened to the 7th round pick the Texans picked up from Dallas for Eli Anjou? Was that for 2022?
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What that little blurb from cowboywire fails to mention is that it was a 2022 pick that Dallas gave up
The Texans have agreed to trade reserve defensive tackle Eli Ankou to the Dallas Cowboys in exchange for a 2022 seventh-round draft pick, according to a league source not authorized to speak publicly.
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https://www.houstonchronicle.com/te...ns-trade-DT-Eli-Ankou-to-Cowboys-15689428.php
 
The more I look at this draft, the more I wish we had more draft capital.
On the bright side, I am convinced we will acquire a very good player with #67.
There is also good talent likely to slip down to us in the 4th.
Its a shame Caserio burned pick #122 in a trade - he could have used that to pair with #109 and move up to grab another round 3 prospect.
Short of criminal charges against Watson, I still think a trade happens before or during the draft, but it is likely going to be drastically short of what we originally might have gotten - like about half.
This is a deep draft and I see good quality down into the 90's.
For a team on the rebuild, we need as many picks in that range as possible.
 
Texansphan said:
The more I look at this draft, the more I wish we had more draft capital.
On the bright side, I am convinced we will acquire a very good player with #67.
There is also good talent likely to slip down to us in the 4th.
Its a shame Caserio burned pick #122 in a trade - he could have used that to pair with #109 and move up to grab another round 3 prospect.
Short of criminal charges against Watson, I still think a trade happens before or during the draft, but it is likely going to be drastically short of what we originally might have gotten - like about half.
This is a deep draft and I see good quality down into the 90's.
For a team on the rebuild, we need as many picks in that range as possible.
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They easily could trade back into the middle of the 3rd using the top of the 4th pick and the top of the 5th pick. In fact I probably would do this if there was 2 guys I really liked.
 
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