2019 Texans free agency

[steelbtexan]

But remember the first few years when all we heard was good about McLane? He was going to fix things

Yep and McLane actually did try his best to bring a championship to this city. clemmens/Pettite fa signings come to mind.

My problem with him was 1. He stripped everything down to maximize profits before selling the team, which is typical

2. He sold 50 years of franchise history to maximize his profits and have that stadium in Waco named after him

I'm kind of glad to see the Bears struggling. The raping not so much.

 

[steelbtexan]

Spending smartly to get the best players bro and even that is still a long shot. More often than not, those high priced FA don’t end up changing the fortunes of the teams the go to that much.

See Ndamkoung Suh
See Nmandi Asoumga
See Albert Haynesworth
See Nate Solder

You see where I’m going with this?

Yep and I can give you a list of successes too. Starting with JoJo. I'm not saying go hog wild in fa spending but target a top level at a position of need and go for it if you have the cap space.

 

[Mr teX]

Yep and I can give you a list of successes too. Starting with JoJo. I'm not saying go hog wild in fa spending but target a top level at a position of need and go for it if you have the cap space.

That 90’s cowboys o-line was built primarily with late round, cheap FA’s and cast offs from other teams. Aikman had a similar season as DW4 did getting lit up b/c the o-line was not in place. So there is precedent. Now are those 90’s teams the Exception rather than the rule? Almost certainly. There are also numerous other differences as well....namely Jimmy Johnson vs. BOB being no contest lol...NEVERTHELESS, It still shows that there’s more than 1 way to build a winner than this one-track way you’re bashing the Texans for not employing.

 

[steelbtexan]

That 90’s cowboys o-line was built primarily with late round, cheap FA’s and cast offs from other teams. Aikman had a similar season as DW4 did getting lit up b/c the o-line was not in place. So there is precedent. Now are those 90’s teams the Exception rather than the rule? Almost certainly. There are also numerous other differences as well....namely Jimmy Johnson vs. BOB being no contest lol...NEVERTHELESS, It still shows that there’s more than 1 way to build a winner than this one-track way you’re bashing the Texans for not employing.

Unless you get a Jimmy Johnson and the owner gives him full control this philosophy will not work.

Love me some Jimmy Johnson, he was BB before BB.

Unfortunately Jerrah had to ruin what had a chance to be a Pats type dynasty.

Bob McNair had more in common with Jerrah than most around here would like to admit.

 

[Porky]

So are we just forgetting that not only did the Astros have back to back losing seasons, with a few 100 loss seasons, for years but that they actually planned that because they wanted the high draft picks? I love the Astros to but lets not revise history, again, and claim that we were all on board and understanding of them losing year after year because we knew 2017 would be the year we won. Also the Astros have been around what, 60 years with most of that not even being close to WS contenders and the Texans have been around 16 years with 6 winning seasons, 2 8-8 seasons and 8 losing seasons, that's actually pretty good for a team less than 20 years old.

Try and catch up! History has no bearing when it was different leadership. Crane bought the team, hired the man that many now feel is the best GM in baseball and they had a coordinated plan and attacked the plan day by day and season by season.

I have no idea what the plan is on Kirby. It's like a puzzle, but with pieces mixed in from multiple boxes of puzzles. That's a sign of poor leadership. And an owner in Cal who doesn't know a football from a turnip, I don't see much changing. Out of the 3, I'd say Gaine is the best but as long as ownership sucks, and the HC stinks, It's all just spinning wheels.

 

[maverick512000]

Try and catch up! History has no bearing when it was different leadership. Crane bought the team, hired the man that many now feel is the best GM in baseball and they had a coordinated plan and attacked the plan day by day and season by season.

I have no idea what the plan is on Kirby. It's like a puzzle, but with pieces mixed in from multiple boxes of puzzles. That's a sign of poor leadership. And an owner in Cal who doesn't know a football from a turnip, I don't see much changing. Out of the 3, I'd say Gaine is the best but as long as ownership sucks, and the HC stinks, It's all just spinning wheels.

Didn't realize that you were in a position that they would call you and run their plan by you first. You say its a sign of poor leadership but you are basing that on an outsider looking in, unless you'd like to post something showing you have some insider knowledge of the Texans FO. Also as far and Crane and Luhnow goes you said it yourself, many NOW feel he is the best GM in the business. Don't really recall anyone saying that when the Astros were being called the Lastros or they were going through coaches like they were going out of style.

 

[steelbtexan]

Didn't realize that you were in a position that they would call you and run their plan by you first. You say its a sign of poor leadership but you are basing that on an outsider looking in, unless you'd like to post something showing you have some insider knowledge of the Texans FO. Also as far and Crane and Luhnow goes you said it yourself, many NOW feel he is the best GM in the business. Don't really recall anyone saying that when the Astros were being called the Lastros or they were going through coaches like they were going out of style.

I did and I agreed with the plan. I had a friend who's a big Cards fan and he told me that Luhnow was the brains behind the Cards org and that they should've promoted him to GM instead of Mozeliak. He told me the Cards org would suffer the consequences of that decision and they have. Hell a guy went to jail for hacking Luhnow's acct.

The outsider thing is BS, after 16 yrs a blind man could figure out what the Texans org is all about.

I'm still LOL'ing at the McNair's a hands off owner crowd. Do I need to be an insider to see how far that was from the truth in your eyes?

 

[thunderkyss]

Yes the Rockets and Astros took a hot minute JB. The difference is both of those franchises are very competitive. They made big time moves to get them to the level they are at currently. They have GM's who knows exactly what their prospective teams wants. Neither are yes men to their coaches.

I'd love for the Texans to make big time moves.

I don't believe breaking the bank on Trent Brown is a big time move. More a grasp of desperation. Davenport isn't a Championship LT but he saves us from being desperate. At least it seems the Texans think so.

 

[thunderkyss]

Hey JB you know we all like SteelBs comments but the thing is he's not gonna be happy until the McNair family has gone thru the old mans fortune on free agents, left River Oaks for public housing, and is panhandling over on Telephone Road.

Seriously doubt he wants them panhandling in Texas.

 

[steelbtexan]

I'd love for the Texans to make big time moves.

I don't believe breaking the bank on Trent Brown is a big time move. More a grasp of desperation. Davenport isn't a Championship LT but he saves us from being desperate. At least it seems the Texans think so.

Brown got his ring, is talented and is only 25 yrs old. LT's like that dont come on the market very often and you have to pay for them.

Davenport at LT means you're VERY desperate.

 

[steelbtexan]

Hey JB you know we all like SteelBs comments but the thing is he's not gonna be happy until the McNair family has gone thru the old mans fortune on free agents, left River Oaks for public housing, and is panhandling over on Telephone Road.

It's kind of hard to spend 3 bil.

So maybe say spending a few extra mil (I know there's a salary cap) to get the best players possible is too much to ask? The McNair's very much like your way of thinking.

 

[maverick512000]

Brown got his ring, is talented and is only 25 yrs old. LT's like that dont come on the market very often and you have to pay for them.

Davenport at LT means you're VERY desperate.

Yeah he got his ring playing in front of the GOAT QB, HoF HC and HoF OL coach and he still was just average. Did he deserve to get a healthy pay day, yes, did he deserve to become the highest paid lineman in history, no.

 

[thunderkyss]

We wouldn't know the only time there has been a splash FA signing was JoJo/Manning and that lead to the best 2 yrs in franchise history. Maybe there's something to this spending the $$$$ to get the best players thingy?

Dont give me Os.

Who were this year's Jjo & Manning? Neither of which were signed the first 7 days of FA... we were waiting on Namdi.

Roby, Boddy-Calhoun & Gipson are more like Jjo/Manning than Trent Brown & whatever other cripple you want us to sign.

 

[Rich Schmidt]

Did you all read Wade Smith's take on Kalil? It was interesting to see him say he blocks the average to good, gets beat by the greats. That is a freaking upgrade, and we have what many of you wanted, a vet to bring along the young uns we draft. Still could be significant cuts or even trades being helpful too. Health will of course be an issue, but everyone thought a year of for Bell would help him be fresh, maybe Matt will be the same. I saw CND's post on him, so have a feeling of dread, but 1 year deal so if he does suck in camp, he can be cut. He could use some technique coaching too, probably not going to get it here

 

[srrono]

Who were this year's Jjo & Manning? Neither of which were signed the first 7 days of FA... we were waiting on Namdi.

Roby, Boddy-Calhoun & Gipson are more like Jjo/Manning than Trent Brown & whatever other cripple you want us to sign.

Roby, Boddy-Calhoun & Gipson are not additions to the roster. They are replacements for lost guys. There has not been a true single add to the roster or starter.
Safety Mathieu - Gibson
CB Jackson - Roby
OT Lamm- Kalil
QB Weedon- McCarron
DL Covington - ?
DB K.Johnson - Calhoun
TE ______ - Fells

This is unacceptable.

 

[maverick512000]

Roby, Boddy-Calhoun & Gipson are not additions to the roster. They are replacements for lost guys. There has not been a true single add to the roster or starter.
Safety Mathieu - Gibson
CB Jackson - Roby
OT Lamm- Kalil
QB Weedon- McCarron
DL Covington - ?
DB K.Johnson - Calhoun
TE ______ - Fells

This is unacceptable.

You can only have so many guys on the roster so every time you bring someone in they are replacing someone else. Maybe someone you cut or maybe someone that left but every new player is replacing an old player.

 

[Jadmakaveli]

Hope Andre Dillard is there for us with our pick. I can live with everyone else on the o-line but I can’t live with Davenport at LT again. I got fooled going into last year that he could be our starting LT. Won’t make that mistake again.

 

[welsh texan]

Fells is fine, we need a blocking TE, but that is way too optimistic on Kalil I think. He is basically broken IMO. Last time he played "healthy" in 2017 he was really bad. I would have rather kept Lamm than two broken dudes in Kalil and Seantrel.

Seantrel is probably a good keep, won the starting job before getting hurt and will know the system better this year. I'm hopeful that's an upgrade, actually.

Roby, Boddy-Calhoun & Gipson are not additions to the roster. They are replacements for lost guys. There has not been a true single add to the roster or starter.
Safety Mathieu - Gibson
CB Jackson - Roby
OT Lamm- Kalil
QB Weedon- McCarron
DL Covington - ?
DB K.Johnson - Calhoun
TE ______ - Fells

This is unacceptable.

I was listening to an interesting point made on state of the Texans that Gaine is shrewd in that hes protecting the likely 3rd rd pick we will get from losing honey badger.

We have also covered a baseline at each position which may not be a good player at each position of need, but at least someone to roll out there, which opens up their draft board to BPA next month.

I don't mind this approach, I think we are behind the curve and chasing roster holes at this point but you don't fix that by overpaying for woeful talent or bad fits in FA.

Only head scratcher for me was why Covington was allowed to walk vs keeping the other rotational DL guys.

 

[srrono]

You can only have so many guys on the roster so every time you bring someone in they are replacing someone else. Maybe someone you cut or maybe someone that left but every new player is replacing an old player.

WTF does that mean?
there is not any room for good players?
Texans can't remove 1 or 2 guys from endless depths of bad players at the bottom of the roster and sign a starter or 2 with salary cap money they have?
Even today their are players that would improve this team. OLine opportunities are dried up. Could still shore up RB and improve DL .

RB TJ Yeldon
Timmy Jernigan, DT
Ndamukong Suh, DT
Muhammad Wilkerson, DE/DT
Brent Urban, DE/DT
Adrian Clayborn, DE
Zach Brown, ILB
C.J. Anderson, RB

 

[Speedy]

So are we just forgetting that not only did the Astros have back to back losing seasons, with a few 100 loss seasons, for years but that they actually planned that because they wanted the high draft picks? I love the Astros to but lets not revise history, again, and claim that we were all on board and understanding of them losing year after year because we knew 2017 would be the year we won. Also the Astros have been around what, 60 years with most of that not even being close to WS contenders and the Texans have been around 16 years with 6 winning seasons, 2 8-8 seasons and 8 losing seasons, that's actually pretty good for a team less than 20 years old.

In the Astros case, that had to be blown up exactly the way they did it. Drayton neglected the farm for years, going multiple years not signing their top picks. Then stripping it down even more before he sold, they had nothing.

A lot of skepticism about their plan, whether they stay true to it when they started winning, but they’ve brought it fruition. Now they’ve got one of the most talented farm systems in the game and are continuing to stay legit WS contenders as their recent extensions would attest.

I may not have agreed with the plan at the beginning, losing 100+ games 3 years in a row was embarrassing as hell, but they told us their plan and stuck to it.

The Texans plan? If they do indeed have one, no one knows what it is. Other than I guess totally ignoring free agency and strictly building through the draft with mid to late round picks in each round, and needing nearly all of them to be home runs. Sounds like a great plan. Never mind the leadership they have that I don’t trust any further than I can throw him.

 

[maverick512000]

WTF does that mean?
there is not any room for good players?
Texans can't remove 1 or 2 guys from endless depths of bad players at the bottom of the roster and sign a starter or 2 with salary cap money they have?
Even today their are players that would improve this team. OLine opportunities are dried up. Could still shore up RB and improve DL .

RB TJ Yeldon
Timmy Jernigan, DT
Ndamukong Suh, DT
Muhammad Wilkerson, DE/DT
Brent Urban, DE/DT
Adrian Clayborn, DE
Zach Brown, ILB
C.J. Anderson, RB

I never said there couldn't be improvements, you post stated that they didn't add anything just replaced guys. Yeah, that's how it's works and frankly I think several of those replacements they have done were improvements.

 

[maverick512000]

In the Astros case, that had to be blown up exactly the way they did it. Drayton neglected the farm for years, going multiple years not signing their top picks. Then stripping it down even more before he sold, they had nothing.

A lot of skepticism about their plan, whether they stay true to it when they started winning, but they’ve brought it fruition. Now they’ve got one of the most talented farm systems in the game and are continuing to stay legit WS contenders as their recent extensions would attest.

I may not have agreed with the plan at the beginning, losing 100+ games 3 years in a row was embarrassing as hell, but they told us their plan and stuck to it.

The Texans plan? If they do indeed have one, no one knows what it is. Other than I guess totally ignoring free agency and strictly building through the draft with mid to late round picks in each round, and needing nearly all of them to be home runs. Sounds like a great plan. Never mind the leadership they have that I don’t trust any further than I can throw him.

Of course they have a plan, they told us their plan just no one believed them and they to are sticking with their plan. Not sure why people keep complaining about the draft right now. Last draft Gaines didn't even have a 1st or 2nd and your draft position in each round is based on your season, baring trade ups, so would you rather they have early round picks each round? Because that would mean they had one crappy season.

Also they haven't ignored free agency they just haven't made the big, splashy signings people want in every F/A. The reality is they have signed a few solid players, a few that are a roll of the dice and yes they have missed a couple that would help but hey that happens every year to every team.

 

[Speedy]

You mean the draft where they had limited picks and all the same holes they have this year and used 2 on TEs? Is that the great draft you’re talking about?

And signing guys you’d normally sign to round out depth is not how you use this part of free agency. No big splashes I’m good with. Signing depth guys to be starters is a bit of a problem.

 

[srrono]

I never said there couldn't be improvements, you post stated that they didn't add anything just replaced guys. Yeah, that's how it's works and frankly I think several of those replacements they have done were improvements.

Which players are a clear upgrade over previous Texan player.

Safety Mathieu - Gibson - slight down grade
CB Jackson - Roby althougih Roby is faster Jackson in coverage and tackling is better now. - down grade
OT Lamm- Kalil Kalil health last 2 year history more of camp body - even
QB Weedon- McCarron - even
DL Covington - ?
DB K.Johnson - Calhoun i don't know Calhoun - ?
TE ______ - Fells back up blocking TE - upgrade?

 

[maverick512000]

You mean the draft where they had limited picks and all the same holes they have this year and used 2 on TEs? Is that the great draft you’re talking about?

And signing guys you’d normally sign to round out depth is not how you use this part of free agency. No big splashes I’m good with. Signing depth guys to be starters is a bit of a problem.

To be honest I don't think they realized how bad the Oline was and even if they did there wasn't a huge number of options to choose from to fix it. And F/A is almost always about depth unless you are deseparate at a position with no hope of getting anything close to what you need in the draft, I. E. The Osweiler signing, or you have to make some big moves to try and rally your fan base so they keep buying tickets, I.E. Oakland and the Jets.

As far as signing depth guys to be starters what else are they suppose to do. Teams tend to not let their quality players go into F/A unless they flat out can't afford them, they are a problem in some way or another team is willing to offer stupid money. Very rare you find a legit sure fire starter in F/A and a reasonable price tag , mostly its take what you can get and try and turn chicken sh!t into chicken salad.

 

[maverick512000]

Which players are a clear upgrade over previous Texan player.

Safety Mathieu - Gibson - slight down grade
CB Jackson - Roby althougih Roby is faster Jackson in coverage and tackling is better now. - down grade
OT Lamm- Kalil Kalil health last 2 year history more of camp body - even
QB Weedon- McCarron - even
DL Covington - ?
DB K.Johnson - Calhoun i don't know Calhoun - ?
TE ______ - Fells back up blocking TE - upgrade?

Gibson I like better than Matthieu, TEs were liting him up last season and KC way overpaided him. Gibson at least has gone toe to toe with all pro TEs and held his own.

Roby is faster and although Jackson didn't impress me overall all I'm willing to give you this one until it's shown otherwise.

Lamm-Khalil, I agree it's even but at the same time there is the slight chance we might get the Khalil that was actually good, doubt it but here's hoping. Was worth the one year prove it contract.

Weedon-McCarron much as I like Weedon that's an upgrade. McCarron might actually can keep the ship from totally sinking if Watson goes down. Plus it gives Watson another Vet to learn from. Let's hope our new QB guru lives up to the hype.

Same, don't know much about Calhoun either so it's a ? for me to.

As far as the TEs go I do have a problem with our TEs overall but that's more about how they are being used rather than the players themselves. I'm not sure we can realistically say we know what we have with any TE because they all been used for the line.

 

[banned1976]

Personally I like these one year “prove it” deals. For Khalil this could be his last opportunity in the NFL so I believe he’s going to be working his ass off to make the starting roster. Roby is still young but this his opportunity to make some big money in the short term.

I’m glad there seems to be a sense of calm settling on this board now. I may be the next person to hit the panic button though because I’m rarely satisfied during and shortly after the draft. That’s when my emotions get out of control.

 

[zshawn10]

Evan Silva

✔@evansilva
https://twitter.com/evansilva/status/1110303347968540676

Last year's #Texans allowed NFL highs in sack rate & QB hit rate & finished 27th in @fboutsiders Adjusted Line Yards for run blocking.

Their lone O-Line addition so far is Matt Kalil, who struggled badly in 2017 & didn't play football last year due to chronic knee injuries.

https://twitter.com/intent/like?tweet_id=1110303347968540676

5:12 PM - Mar 25, 2019

 

[Speedy]

To be honest I don't think they realized how bad the Oline was and even if they did there wasn't a huge number of options to choose from to fix it. And F/A is almost always about depth unless you are deseparate at a position with no hope of getting anything close to what you need in the draft, I. E. The Osweiler signing, or you have to make some big moves to try and rally your fan base so they keep buying tickets, I.E. Oakland and the Jets.

As far as signing depth guys to be starters what else are they suppose to do. Teams tend to not let their quality players go into F/A unless they flat out can't afford them, they are a problem in some way or another team is willing to offer stupid money. Very rare you find a legit sure fire starter in F/A and a reasonable price tag , mostly its take what you can get and try and turn chicken sh!t into chicken salad.

Them not realizing their bad o-line issues is part of the problem. Maybe not a huge number of options to fix it, but there are options. Yes, Gaine has had just one draft, and a limited one at that, but if he is "aligned" now with OB, well, OB hasn't used the draft to get OL either. XSF, Martin, Davenport and Rankin are the only OL they've drafted in OB's 5 years. 4 OL from 38 picks. If you're not going to use FA to address it, and you're not drafting OL, then what else is there?

And they've drafted the same number of TEs (4) the last 5 years as well. It seems to me the number of OL picks should at least double that of a position that requires just 3, at most, to even be on your roster. There's just no rhyme nor reason to anything they do.

Maybe Gaine changes that, but again, if he's OB's "aligned" guy, that doesn't leave me much hope. And OB is still the one trying to turn chicken shit into chicken salad. No confidence there either.

 

[WolverineFan]

The Browns are going to be a great case study in the NFL.

They sucked under Brown/Jackson.

Dorsey has used those assets to build what looks like a formidable team on paper.

DePodesta is still there and moneyball will remain.

Moneyball works when you're hoarding assets and acquiring young players. It falls apart when you have to actually start retaining those players and handing out big contracts.

We'll see how the Browns handle it once they have to start paying guys.

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

As far as the TEs go I do have a problem with our TEs overall but that's more about how they are being used rather than the players themselves. I'm not sure we can realistically say we know what we have with any TE because they all been used for the line.

Fells is destined to be a very good addition. His forte is blocking.......but his hands are solid (and not callused from overuse) Now 2 TE sets can be used effectively............with Fells in there, there will no longer be automatic giving away plays to the D, i.e. pass vs run.

 

[steelbtexan]

Moneyball works when you're hoarding assets and acquiring young players. It falls apart when you have to actually start retaining those players and handing out big contracts.

We'll see how the Browns handle it once they have to start paying guys.

How long before this happens? They still have quite a bit of cap space available and the cap goes up every yr. But this is also why they have to draft well. Of course getting Hunt for a mil doesn't hurt a bit.

 

[steelbtexan]

Them not realizing their bad o-line issues is part of the problem. Maybe not a huge number of options to fix it, but there are options. Yes, Gaine has had just one draft, and a limited one at that, but if he is "aligned" now with OB, well, OB hasn't used the draft to get OL either. XSF, Martin, Davenport and Rankin are the only OL they've drafted in OB's 5 years. 4 OL from 38 picks. If you're not going to use FA to address it, and you're not drafting OL, then what else is there?

And they've drafted the same number of TEs (4) the last 5 years as well. It seems to me the number of OL picks should at least double that of a position that requires just 3, at most, to even be on your roster. There's just no rhyme nor reason to anything they do.

Maybe Gaine changes that, but again, if he's OB's "aligned" guy, that doesn't leave me much hope. And OB is still the one trying to turn chicken shit into chicken salad. No confidence there either.

Yep this is why they need to add 2-3 OL with high picks.

Will they? History says Nope

I'm willing to wait and see how the OL performs next yr and who gets added in the draft, but this is a good yr for drafting OL and if they dont get the Damn OL fixed this offseason then they all should be fired.

I typed this same thing when Kubiak was hired and he eventually talked Gibbs into coming out of retirement to fix the OL. I've got very little faith in Devlin being able to be a pimple on Gibbs ass, when it comes to OL play much less fix the OL 1/2 as good as Gibbs did.

 

[steelbtexan]

Evan Silva

✔@evansilva

Last year's #Texans allowed NFL highs in sack rate & QB hit rate & finished 27th in @fboutsiders Adjusted Line Yards for run blocking.

Their lone O-Line addition so far is Matt Kalil, who struggled badly in 2017 & didn't play football last year due to chronic knee injuries.


5:12 PM - Mar 25, 2019

In other words they sucked.

Time to use a 1st/2nd and a 3rd on the OL.

If not the 1st/ two 2nd's if they give a damn about Watson's health.

 

[thunderkyss]

Safety Mathieu - Gibson - slight down grade

I wanted to like HB. But I think he's more average than not. I think Gipson is avg as well, but he knows it.

CB Jackson - Roby althougih Roby is faster Jackson in coverage and tackling is better now. - down grade

I don't know. If we start playing more press coverage I'll look at it as an upgrade. Kjax could play press, but he needs safety help.

OT Lamm- Kalil Kalil health last 2 year history more of camp body - even

Kalil doesn't replace Lamm. Henderson is our starting RT.

QB Weedon- McCarron - even

I didn't have a problem with Weeden.

DL Covington - ?
DB K.Johnson - Calhoun i don't know Calhoun - ?

Well, if we're going to use availability against Kalil, whoever Boddy-Calhoun is, is an upgrade

TE ______ - Fells back up blocking TE - upgrade?

I don't care for blocking TEs, throw a 6th lineman in there & stop playing around. Blocking TEs, receiving TEs, aren't TEs imo. They're underweight lineman or heavy WRs.

 

[Honoring Earl 34]

In other words they sucked.

Time to use a 1st/2nd and a 3rd on the OL.

If not the 1st/ two 2nd's if they give a damn about Watson's health.

I would say the Texans should draft the invisible man to be QB then I remembered he had to wear a uniform .

 

[steelbtexan]

I would say the Texans should draft the invisible man to be QB then I remembered he had to wear a uniform .

True

LOL

 

[TheKDog]

Moneyball works when you're hoarding assets and acquiring young players. It falls apart when you have to actually start retaining those players and handing out big contracts.

We'll see how the Browns handle it once they have to start paying guys.

That's when they have to be smart and let some you FAs go or trade them while restocking with draft picks and value FAs. Patriots have shown it's possible to sustain greatness for years. But teams like the saints, Packers and Seahawks show how tough it is once you pay your QB and a few others tons of money.

Seattle is another example of a team that nailed a lot of draft picks but once it came due to pay them it was tough. It is not limited to the browns. Watson will be making $30 mil in a few years btw

 

[otisbean]

That's when they have to be smart and let some you FAs go or trade them while restocking with draft picks and value FAs. Patriots have shown it's possible to sustain greatness for years. But teams like the saints, Packers and Seahawks show how tough it is once you pay your QB and a few others tons of money.

Seattle is another example of a team that nailed a lot of draft picks but once it came due to pay them it was tough. It is not limited to the browns. Watson will be making $30 mil in a few years btw

Let’s be honest about the Patriots, if Brady didn’t take a discount, their salary cap situation would look waaay different. Change that and their success level might change as well

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/average/quarterback/

 

[maverick512000]

Let’s be honest about the Patriots, if Brady didn’t take a discount, their salary cap situation would look waaay different. Change that and their success level might change as well

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/average/quarterback/

This, very much this. Pats were blessed to not only get the GOAT QB but that he cared more about adding rings to his fingers than he did 0s to his paycheck. I fully expect by the time Watson is up for his contract 25 million will just be the starting point to get a QB, any QB with even slightly a name, to the table and 35-40 million the starting point for franchise QBs. I would not be surprised at all if Watson doesn't break some records for highest paid QB in the league. Everybody knows that QB has been our biggest weakness pretty much for entire franchise history and that we are not going to let the first possible real franchise QB in 10 years walk. I think that's what they are saving the money for.

 

[Mr teX]

Everyone here and elsewhere thought the jags were going to run away with the division and were SB contenders last year too after FA when they spent ridiculous money in 2018. A year later, Their o-line is in worse shape than ours with that high priced FA Acquistion Andrew Norwell (another former panther o-linemen), and they’re picking top 5 in the draft.

As far as moneyball it hasn’t shown to be an effective championship winning philosophy on its own; only that it can be used to get you to a competitive state from utter garbage and that it can be used to extend a championship window......usually with some other mechanism to help facilitate it..like say, a deep discount by a marquee player or stellar drafting over a number of years...neither of which are sustainable for very long.

For instance, the pats can only get away with employing it b/c of Brady taking huge discounts over the years and the fact that BB has been able to keep them winning. The minute Brady or Belichick walk away and they stop winning, that moneyball **** won’t be palatable with the fan base.

 

[Uncle Rico]

Jared Cook >>> Darren Fells
Donald Penn >>> Matt Kalil

These guys cant even get the cheap deals right LOL

 

[DocBar]

This, very much this. Pats were blessed to not only get the GOAT QB but that he cared more about adding rings to his fingers than he did 0s to his paycheck. I fully expect by the time Watson is up for his contract 25 million will just be the starting point to get a QB, any QB with even slightly a name, to the table and 35-40 million the starting point for franchise QBs. I would not be surprised at all if Watson doesn't break some records for highest paid QB in the league. Everybody knows that QB has been our biggest weakness pretty much for entire franchise history and that we are not going to let the first possible real franchise QB in 10 years walk. I think that's what they are saving the money for.

IMO, by the time Watson is up, QB's contracts will be tied to a % of the salary cap.

 

[infantrycak]

This, very much this. Pats were blessed to not only get the GOAT QB but that he cared more about adding rings to his fingers than he did 0s to his paycheck.

Brady is the only QB around whose wife pulled in even more money than him. Makes it a little easier to be gracious on the cap.

 

[maverick512000]

IMO, by the time Watson is up, QB's contracts will be tied to a % of the salary cap.

Correct me if I'm wrong by what you mean but basically you are saying that, to keep numbers simple, the salary cap is 100 million and say the QB salary is 10% of the cap so the QB salary would be 10 million. Do I understand that correctly? Not being a smartass, I'm really not sure I have a clear picture on it.

Assuming that is correct I can't see the players union going for that. Can you imagine if Tom Savage was being the same as Tom Brady? If I was Brady I'd never throw another pass again. I can't even see all the teams going for it, Who would want to pay the above mentioned Savage franchise QB money? Also that would mean you'd basically not have a QB come up in F/A again unless they were cut because teams would just budget for their QB, they are going to have to pay a replacement the same amount anyway, and why would the QB talk to another team and have to move cities if he's not being cut.

Like I said not sure I understand your meaning so if I don't please clarify to me.

 

[TheKDog]

Bradys cap hit is 27m, fourth in the league.

It could be higher but it's not low

 

[TheKDog]

Evan Silva

✔@evansilva

Last year's #Texans allowed NFL highs in sack rate & QB hit rate & finished 27th in @fboutsiders Adjusted Line Yards for run blocking.

Their lone O-Line addition so far is Matt Kalil, who struggled badly in 2017 & didn't play football last year due to chronic knee injuries.


5:12 PM - Mar 25, 2019

And they lost Lamm. Yes Lamm sucks but he's better than nothing or whatever street guy they end up signing

 

[maverick512000]

Bradys cap hit is 27m, fourth in the league.

It could be higher but it's not low

This year that is correct but his average is about 15 million and he restructures anytime it looks like Pats might get into cap hell or not be able to field a contender team. Losing Gronk this year and not having any glaring weaknesses means that they can afford to go ahead and pay him.

 

[JB]

Bradys cap hit is 27m, fourth in the league.

It could be higher but it's not low

That's because the first 3 years of his current contract the total base salary was just $6m. It's coming home to roost this year and still cheap by most standards

 

[infantrycak]

Bradys cap hit is 27m, fourth in the league.

It could be higher but it's not low

This year which is atypical. 3 years prior were $13.7, $14 & $22. Fact is he is playing on a 2 year $30 mil contract. $15 mil per is dirt cheap.