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2019 Texans free agency

banned1976 said:
The only thing I strongly disagree with in this back and forth circle jerk is this notion one person is responsible for every failure of this organization.

Everyone is responsible for the mediocrity that has plagued this franchise. From ownership to the players. Some have performed better than others but so what? We as fans can choose to watch them or not. The whining on this board, before the draft even is redundant. Not every team is going to “win free agency” and winning free agency amounts to nothing. Look back to last season and tell me who the ultimate winners were and how much they spent in free agency 2018.
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I agree free agency is way overblown. The best teams build through draft then add a bit here and there with fa and trade.

People expecting to spend $70 million every off season and then expecting those guys to not be busts aren't being realistic. Let's just look at least year- colvin and Fulton were disappointing.
 
zshawn10 said:
The #Texans are signing QB and special teamer Joe Webb back on a 1-year deal worth $1M, source said.

— Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) March 21, 2019
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Ridiculous. The guy can’t play. But he can’t play at QB, WR, or special teams. He’s active on gameday, as O’Brien has only 7 o-linemen active. Usually at 3 are listed as questionable. I can’t believe they’re going to carry this worthless player on the roster, again.
 
maverick512000 said:
Again what QB were they suppose to take in the draft? We weren't getting Goff or Wentz, it was not going to happen, they went 1 and 2 because the Eagles and Rams needed a QB just as bad as we did. Didn't Help that the Tits had the number 1 overall and they weren't about to help us get better at QB.

So other than those two who else was there that they could have made the starter as a rookie? Dak, Garropolo, that's using hindsight and not very good hindsight at that as neither one of them have lit the world on fire. Think of how worse they would be if the couldn't have rode the bench and learned from Romo and Brady. Also, again, in the later rounds why draft a QB at all, they already had their starter and backup by the time of the draft.

This boils down to you didn't like the Osweiler signing and you are basing it all on hindsight. Go back to 2016 and Osweiler had by far a better chance of being a franchise QB than any of the QBs in the draft except Goff or Wentz who, again, we were not going to get.
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That's all he can really use to make his case. Looking at the things in the proper contexts is a foreign concept to him.
 
TheKDog said:
My point is O'Brien should be judged on offensive points scored compared to offenses in 2018 not a decade ago, and by that metric he was not a top 10 offensive coach, but Crennel was a top 10 defensive coach.

You can keep digging and say he scored more points than every offense in 1955 or whatever but I won't be impressed.
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:roflcopter:

Completely asinine logic considering:

A. the eventual SB championship team only scored 3 more ppg than we did in 2018.
B. 3 teams in the top 10 in ppg didn't even make the playoffs
C. As Steelb said, the SB was a 13-3 affair.....hardly this Texas Tech/SMU shootout...b/c when it comes down to it, the best team is more often than not the team that can stop people from scoring most consistently, not the one who can score the most consistently.
 
Mr teX said:
:roflcopter:

Completely asinine logic considering:

A. the eventual SB championship team only scored 3 more ppg than we did in 2018.
B. 3 teams in the top 10 in ppg didn't even make the playoffs
C. As Steelb said, the SB was a 13-3 affair.....hardly this Texas Tech/SMU shootout...b/c when it comes down to it, the best team is more often than not the team that can stop people from scoring most consistently, not the one who can score the most consistently.
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A. The Pats were 7th in offensive TDs and the Texans 20th. Are you seriously trying to argue the Texans offense was almost as good as the Pats? Seriously?

B. So what? They didn't have crennel and the top 10 Texans d. Is that your point?

C. Hey the super bowl was low scoring so let's keep our crappy offensive coach. Is that your argument?
 
Lucky said:
Ridiculous. The guy can’t play. But he can’t play at QB, WR, or special teams. He’s active on gameday, as O’Brien has only 7 o-linemen active. Usually at 3 are listed as questionable. I can’t believe they’re going to carry this worthless player on the roster, again.
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but he is like having three players in one body, saving two roster spots..
 
Dakota said:
Just came by for my daily dose of why our (winning record) head coach sucks and should be fired.
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Well I thought steelb was on board when they didn't sign Trent Brown for $300 million and was hoping Watson would get hurt but now he wants to see how the draft goes
 
TheKDog said:
A. The Pats were 7th in offensive TDs and the Texans 20th. Are you seriously trying to argue the Texans offense was almost as good as the Pats? Seriously?

B. So what? They didn't have crennel and the top 10 Texans d. Is that your point?

C. Hey the super bowl was low scoring so let's keep our crappy offensive coach. Is that your argument?
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Lol who even looks at "offensive TD's"? is this another 1 of your handpicked garbage metrics? Lol, TD's scored by the defense don't go in some separate category dude. They count just the same whether they come from the defense or offense..... pretty sure every single player & HC would tell you that....

B. - Lol, they scored alot of points though!!! Isn't your faulty point that if you score alot of points you win and you're awesome?

C. No it's proof that your narrative of this changing NFL is trash though.
 
Mr teX said:
Lol who even looks at "offensive TD's"? is this another 1 of your handpicked garbage metrics? Lol, TD's scored by the defense don't go in some separate category dude. They count just the same whether they come from the defense or offense..... pretty sure every single player & HC would tell you that....

B. - Lol, they scored alot of points though!!! Isn't your faulty point that if you score alot of points you win???

C. No it's proof that your narrative of this changing NFL is trash though.
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A. Everyone except you looks at offensive TDs.

B. I never said that

C. Rules are offensive friendly and the leaguewide scoring totals are up
 
TheKDog said:
A. Everyone except you looks at offensive TDs.

B. I never said that

C. Rules are offensive friendly and the leaguewide scoring totals are up
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A. No...they look at PPG b/c that's all that matters at the end of the day...
B. Doesn't matter, your premise is faulty b/c you can't make your argument without cherry-picking your stat, or using hindsight.
C. They've been offensive friendly & scoring has been going up for years......but once the playoffs come around it always defaults back to the same thing: Can you stop your opponent when you need to?
 
Mr teX said:
A. No...they look at PPG b/c that's all that matters at the end of the day...
B. Doesn't matter, your premise is faulty b/c you can't make your argument without cherry-picking your stat, or using hindsight.
C. They've been offensive friendly & scoring has been going up for years......but once the playoffs come around it always defaults back to the same thing: Can you stop your opponent when you need to?
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A. Who is they? The reason to look at offensive TDs is simple. Defensive TDs are not consistent year to year, and you also can't count on easy field goals from favorable field position. Also you know TDs are worth more than FGs
 
TheKDog said:
A. Who is they? The reason to look at offensive TDs is simple. Defensive TDs are not consistent year to year, and you also can't count on easy field goals from favorable field position. Also you know TDs are worth more than FGs
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Which is why they don't have that much of an effect on the bottom line stat of PPG whether you include them or not & why your whole point of excluding them b/c you saw the Texans were 20th in this particular cherry picked stat is well, silly.

Also, stop acting like there's this huge gap from those teams that are on the backend of the top 10 & where the texans are. Outside of KC, NO, LAR & NE, There are a boatload of teams that are within 1/2 a TD of being in the top 10 according to your metric & more than a few that are less than a FG from being in the top 10 by PPG.

You pump up our defense b/c they finished top 10 in your handpicked metric but couldn't stop anyone when it mattered. Statistically though, KC's defense was better even though they were maligned by, well everyone. The hype around the Texan's defense is a myth perpetrated by ill-informed fans like you & the fan fare names like JJ Watt & JD Clowney bring.
 
thunderkyss said:
Right now it appears BG & BO'b are doubling down on last year's plan. A healthy Kelemete, Fulton, & Henderson is the fix.
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That makes sense, if you think about it. The team thought that was the answer for the OL to start last season and didn't get to see one whole game with that starting lineup and knowing that Davenport was going to take time to develop.
I'm expecting to see OL targeted in the draft.
 
Lucky said:
Ridiculous. The guy can’t play. But he can’t play at QB, WR, or special teams. He’s active on gameday, as O’Brien has only 7 o-linemen active. Usually at 3 are listed as questionable. I can’t believe they’re going to carry this worthless player on the roster, again.
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I’m not a BOB hater, but his infatuation with versatile guys “that can do more” is one of his downfalls.
 
For what he is - I like Joe Webb and I'm happy he's coming back. He plays on most of the ST's packages, is your 3rd QB, can be a gadget player, can fill in at RB/WR/KR if injury occurs, etc.

That's a valuable person to have toward the bottom of the roster. Now...if you're wanting him to be a regular piece of the offense or a legit QB - I think you're expectations are out of whack.
 
infantrycak said:
Jack-of-all-trades things tend to suck at all of them. Swiss Army knife is a crap knife with desperation tools. Hybrid bicycles suck both on and off road.
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I don't mind a guy like joe web or a safety whose capable as a cornerback. The schizophrenic carousel approach to ol is a recipe for the crap of our past and our future if we dont change it.
 
Be BOB.

2014-2016: Go 9-7 each season with absolute hot garbage at QB.

2017: Finally get a young star/possible franchise QB, gets hurt, go 4-12. It's okay because next year we will pick up where we left off and continue building.

2018: oh crap we don't have any draft picks due to last GM but we will go ahead and dig up a few diamonds anyways. Thanks new GM. Go 11-5. Picked up where we left off and then some. Break NFL records along the way.

2019: Draft is in one month but OMG WHY DID YOU LET TWO GUYS FROM ONE OF OUR UNDERPERFORMING UNIT GO YOU IDIOT & WTF WHY ARE WE NOT PAYING FOR THESE OVERPRICED REPLACEMENT PARTS GOSH YOU'RE THE WORST BOB I HATE YOU!!!

Welcome to Houston sports.
 
infantrycak said:
No team is going to go without a GM for an indeterminate time period & no worthwhile GM is going to come in on 'annual until RS comes back' contracts.
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Most teams would have let the assistant GM (Jimmy Raye in this case) hold down the fort until RS could make it back. One way or the other. See: the Colts and Pagano/Arians HC situation.
 
Lucky said:
Ridiculous. The guy can’t play. But he can’t play at QB, WR, or special teams. He’s active on gameday, as O’Brien has only 7 o-linemen active. Usually at 3 are listed as questionable. I can’t believe they’re going to carry this worthless player on the roster, again.
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Hopefully he is a TC arm and doesn't make the final 53.
 
TheKDog said:
I agree free agency is way overblown. The best teams build through draft then add a bit here and there with fa and trade.

People expecting to spend $70 million every off season and then expecting those guys to not be busts aren't being realistic. Let's just look at least year- colvin and Fulton were disappointing.
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Yep if we fail we quit trying.

#HoustonTexansorg,
 
banned1976 said:
The only thing I strongly disagree with in this back and forth circle jerk is this notion one person is responsible for every failure of this organization.

Everyone is responsible for the mediocrity that has plagued this franchise. From ownership to the players. Some have performed better than others but so what? We as fans can choose to watch them or not. The whining on this board, before the draft even is redundant. Not every team is going to “win free agency” and winning free agency amounts to nothing. Look back to last season and tell me who the ultimate winners were and how much they spent in free agency 2018.
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Ultimately ownership is responsible for the teams fortunes.

How much they care aout the on field product has very little to do with the profitability of the franchise.
 
TheKDog said:
Hey, there was also a low scoring game one time. Therefore OBrien is a good offensive coach or something.

Trent brown was available for a third round pick last year. And the Texans had two. The problem is obrien cannot identify value talent like that. He thinks seantrel is that
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This is fair
 
steelbtexan said:
I just gave you an example.
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An example now proves most? Lol, yeah.

Arians was a 36 yr coach with 5 years college HC experience. Raye III was retained right? Wait no, he moved on to an GM job right?

Oh and Pagano was in his 1st year and back before the end of the season.

Even your one example doesn't fly.
 
infantrycak said:
An example now proves most? Lol, yeah.

Arians was a 36 yr coach with 5 years college HC experience. Raye III was retained right? Wait no, he moved on to an GM job right?

Oh and Pagano was in his 1st year and back before the end of the season.

Even your one example doesn't fly.
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I'm just gave you examples of what other teams did. Do with them what you will. How long has Raye been in NFL front offices?

You sure are defensive.
 
Mangler said:
If having over $70M at the beginning of FA means our team is broke, then I don’t know what broke is.
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Look at my paycheck......

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No really, I make so much less than $70m
 
OptimisticTexan said:
Man I didn't want to like this post but based on this off-season I'm guessing it has to be OB convincing Gaine that a healthy offense was the only missing ingredient last season. I hope Gaine is willing to risk his employment by going with OB recommendations. I just can't imagine the convincing is the other way around.
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He probably finally understand the importance of chemistry and continuity. We can't keep changing the line every freaking year.
 
steelbtexan said:
Not my point

My point is BOB would've/should've been fired if he was a part of that decision as should have RS been fired also and that's got nothing to do with his dead wife.

BTW, Why didn't they save RS spot. It's a pretty cold org to not let a guy come back to his job after taking care of his sick/dying wife.
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He probably didn't want to come back. None of us know what was said behind those closed doors.
 
maverick512000 said:
To be honest I think it was mostly a Smith decision...
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Who's decision was it to bring Flacco to Baltimore? Who's decision was it to bring Dak to Dallas? Who's decision was it to bring Aaron Rodgers to Green Bay?

I ain't going to lie. I saw the kid help Denver win HFA against some good teams. He made plays when it mattered. Something we never had from a QB under Bob McNair.

I wanted him & I was excited as buck that we got him.

Then I learned he & BO'b didn't jive. That relationship Payton & Brees had, Brady & every OC he's had except one, Reid has with every QB he's had... wasn't going to happen between BO'b (the one who couldn't get along with Brady) & Oz couldn't get along.

Did I blame the kid? Yeah, he was an arrogant little prik.

Did I blame the coach? Yeah, he was an arrogant little prik, but he was also an adult. An adult who couldn't get along with Andre Johnson, Brandon Brooks, Ryan Mallett, Dj Reader. I mean, these guys were clay & he's supposed to be their coach. He's supposed to know how to motivate, inspire, shape their future, their career. Not antagonize them.

Did I blame Rick Smith? Yeah. He's the one who poured the water in the oil.
 
That's the last thing we need, more pass rushers in the division. Maybe BOB and Co. will wake up, but you'd think the Wildcard game was more than enough.
 
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