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2015 NFL Draft

Texian said:
Today's the day that consistently good playoff teams shine. Also a day that these teams usually have the most draft picks. Like last year the Texans this year have traded away most of today's picks. Pattern of behavior?
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Hate to agree with you in that we should of been trying to add more top 120 picks rather than trade them away. I'm not hating our draft but I'm not loving it either.

Johnson = A+ He was my second rated CB for us behind Peters who I figured we wouldn't draft anyway.

McKinney = Terrible pick IMO. Don't see the instincts for him to be a really impactful ILB. The fact that we traded up giving away a valuable extra pick for him just makes it worse. He will improve our run defense but we could of gotten someone later in the draft that could do that. Could of stayed put and taken Perryman who is the same type player but with light years better instincts and kept the other pick we gave up.

Strong = Not a bad pick but again now sitting here in the fourth watching good talent getting picked is hard.
 
Texian said:
This is a great example of someone who gets it, someone who understands, is NOT an excuse maker.
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2002-2014

Patriots avg. # of picks rounds 4-7 = 5.15

Texans avg. # of picks rounds 4-7 = 5.15

Texian said:
Like last year the Texans this year have traded away most of today's picks. Pattern of behavior?
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Last year the Texans had 6 picks rounds 4-7

JB said:
you must not know it well if you think 3 > 4
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Wait, the goalpost is about to move.

Pattern of behavior?
 
Texian said:
Negative Ghost Rider, Texans have traded away their 4th, 5th and 6th RD picks.
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I believe the Texans still have their compensatory picks plus the extra 7th.
Round 5, Pick 39 (175)
Round 6, Pick 35 (211)
Round 6, Pick 40 (216)
Round 7, Pick 18 (235)
 
The Texans will go 105 picks between picks. From the 70th in pick in RD 3 to the 175th pick in RD 5. I make accusations about the Texans having poor drafts and poor draft strategy. This is just an example to support my accusations. This is just another example of why the Texans have a 13 year .423 winning percentage.....they don't really know what they're doing on draft day.....105 picks is the equivalent of going more than 3 rds without making a pick.
 
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Teams are extremely lucky to hit on 1/3 of their picks. Looking at the draft classes for even the "best" drafting teams is abysmal.

All it really takes it hitting on a QB.....
 
mussop said:
McKinney = Terrible pick IMO. Don't see the instincts for him to be a really impactful ILB. The fact that we traded up giving away a valuable extra pick for him just makes it worse. He will improve our run defense but we could of gotten someone later in the draft that could do that. Could of stayed put and taken Perryman who is the same type player but with light years better instincts and kept the other pick we gave up.
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Perryman went to SD 3 picks in front of our original pick. We had to trade up to get one of McKinney, Kendricks, or Perryman regardless.

They both struggle in coverage and Perryman is a beast in run support while McKinney is pretty good but nothing special. However, McKinney offers pass rush value and edge defender potential while Perryman offers neither.
 
WolverineFan said:
Perryman went to SD 3 picks in front of our original pick. We had to trade up to get one of McKinney, Kendricks, or Perryman regardless.

They both struggle in coverage and Perryman is a beast in run support while McKinney is pretty good but nothing special. However, McKinney offers pass rush value and edge defender potential while Perryman offers neither.
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Youre right I thought he went after our original pick. I don't think Perryman struggles in coverage as much as people say. He is very good at getting into his area and positioning himself to make plays.

After watching 5 of McKinneys games this morning I am a little more hopeful that he can fill Reeds spot ok. Against A&M he played on the edge most of the game and was better than I thought he would be. Still don't like the pick and hope I am wrong. I will say he does resemble a New England type OLB so hopefully they know what they are doing with that position.
 
thunderkyss said:
But you said...



& you don't take into account what was received in return for those 3 picks.
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Yes but I also said, Today's the day that consistently good playoff teams shine. Also a day that these teams usually have the most draft picks.


I do take into account the picks and apparently I disagree with giving up 3 rds of picks for a couple of players who will likely be average at best. Clearly I think the Texans would've been served with those 5 picks instead of the two picks they traded for.
 
Texian said:
Yes but I also said, Today's the day that consistently good playoff teams shine. Also a day that these teams usually have the most draft picks.


I do take into account the picks and apparently I disagree with giving up 3 rds of picks for a couple of players who will likely be average at best. Clearly I think the Texans would've been served with those 5 picks instead of the two picks they traded for.
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I think an astute GM would concentrate on players who are moving up the draft board unlike the two players the Texans moved up to draft. McKinney and Strong both were considered sure 1st rd picks when 2014 season started and both dropped out as the season and the process progressed. Players dropping is an indication of questions and flags.
 
Texian said:
I think an astute GM would concentrate on players who are moving up the draft board unlike the two players the Texans moved up to draft. McKinney and Strong both were considered sure 1st rd picks when 2014 season started and both dropped out as the season and the process progressed. Players dropping is an indication of questions and flags.
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Moving up WHOSE draft board?
 
Texian said:
Yes but I also said, Today's the day that consistently good playoff teams shine. Also a day that these teams usually have the most draft picks.

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Sorry, thought I was clear on which "most" I was arguing. Felt it was obvious when I was throwing out the 3 of 7 and four of eight numbers.


No, no... I get it, you're making excuses :fingergun:
 
thunderkyss said:
Sorry, thought I was clear on which "most" I was arguing. Felt it was obvious when I was throwing out the 3 of 7 and four of eight numbers.


No, no... I get it, you're making excuses :fingergun:
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No excuses and I wasn't arguing. I was the one making the statement not you. Clearly you didn't understand. No harm, no foul. Doesn't change the fact that Texans have been on the couch for what is equal to 3 RDs of picks and last year they gave up their 4th and 5th RDs to draft Nix.
 
mussop said:
Youre right I thought he went after our original pick. I don't think Perryman struggles in coverage as much as people say. He is very good at getting into his area and positioning himself to make plays.

After watching 5 of McKinneys games this morning I am a little more hopeful that he can fill Reeds spot ok. Against A&M he played on the edge most of the game and was better than I thought he would be. Still don't like the pick and hope I am wrong. I will say he does resemble a New England type OLB so hopefully they know what they are doing with that position.
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The two comparisons I keep hearing on him are Jamie Collins and Brian Cushing. Now he doesn't have Collins' athleticism or Cushing's instincts, but he has that kind of versatile skill set to go along with freaky length and explosiveness.
 
srrono said:
PDS ‏@PatDStat 36s36 seconds ago

Trade was pulled late, I own the mis-information.
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WolverineFan said:
The two comparisons I keep hearing on him are Jamie Collins and Brian Cushing. Now he doesn't have Collins' athleticism or Cushing's instincts, but he has that kind of versatile skill set to go along with freaky length and explosiveness.
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Mike Vrabel obviously wanted the guy. That's enough of an endorsement for me.
 
10 picks to go, and here are the ones I show as "best" available (disclaimer - just looking at others' rankings - I don't have any real insight myself).

La'el Collins OT Sr LSU
Michael Bennett DT Sr Ohio State
Derron Smith FS rSr Fresno State
Ifo Ekpre-Olomu CB Sr Oregon
Tre McBride WR Sr William & Mary
Charles Gaines CB rJr Louisville
Josue Matias OG Sr Florida State
Cody Prewitt FS Sr Ole Miss
Tyrus Thompson OT rSr Oklahoma
B.J. Finney C rSr Kansas State
Dres Anderson WR Sr Utah
Dezmin Lewis WR rSr Central Arkansas
Gerod Holliman FS rJr Louisville


Looks like there the value is in WR, OL, and DBs at this point.
 
keyser said:
10 picks to go, and here are the ones I show as "best" available (disclaimer - just looking at others' rankings - I don't have any real insight myself).

La'el Collins OT Sr LSU
Michael Bennett DT Sr Ohio State
Derron Smith FS rSr Fresno State
Ifo Ekpre-Olomu CB Sr Oregon
Tre McBride WR Sr William & Mary
Charles Gaines CB rJr Louisville
Josue Matias OG Sr Florida State
Cody Prewitt FS Sr Ole Miss
Tyrus Thompson OT rSr Oklahoma
B.J. Finney C rSr Kansas State
Dres Anderson WR Sr Utah
Dezmin Lewis WR rSr Central Arkansas
Gerod Holliman FS rJr Louisville


Looks like there the value is in WR, OL, and DBs at this point.
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I like Derron Smith if his medicals are clear.

I like Dezmin Lewis but doubt they take him with Strong. Need slot speed.

I think the Texans know Collins as well as anybody... wonder if they take a shot or if there's a tacit agreement to not draft him and let him reenter next year.
 
keyser said:
La'el Collins OT Sr LSU
Michael Bennett DT Sr Ohio State
Derron Smith FS rSr Fresno State
Ifo Ekpre-Olomu CB Sr Oregon
Tre McBride WR Sr William & Mary
Charles Gaines CB rJr Louisville
Josue Matias OG Sr Florida State
Cody Prewitt FS Sr Ole Miss
Tyrus Thompson OT rSr Oklahoma
B.J. Finney C rSr Kansas State
Dres Anderson WR Sr Utah
Dezmin Lewis WR rSr Central Arkansas
Gerod Holliman FS rJr Louisville
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From this list I'd take Derron Smith, Cody Prewitt, Tyrus Thompson, BJ Finney, Anthony Harris, or Gerod Holliman. Safeties or O-line, we can't go wrong.
 
I am ok with the Texans trading away some of the back half picks.

Let's be honest, the team doesn't have any crucial needs and does better picking up UDFAs then drafting players anyway. We have nearly all our starters, so all we really need now is depth.
 
Naija Texan said:
I am ok with the Texans trading away some of the back half picks.

Let's be honest, the team doesn't have any crucial needs and does better picking up UDFAs then drafting players anyway. We have nearly all our starters, so all we really need now is depth.
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Unfortunately, they can't trade compensatory picks. Only the 7th rounder is a non-compensatory.
 
Mumphrey is so far down the prospect list they don't even have a draft grade for him. There was alot better talent available.

:toropalm:
 
Interesting tidbit on one of the guys left:

The torn ACL that Oregon cornerback Ifo Ekpre-Olomu suffered while preparing for the college football postseason in December is almost certainly the reason why he hasn’t been picked at this point in the 2015 draft, which is exactly why the school purchased an insurance policy to protect the player financially before the start of his final college season.

Ekpre-Olomu was insured against an injury that ended his career as well as one that caused him to lose value by virtue of a tumble down the draft board. The cornerback’s policy, which cost the school $40,000 in a relatively new move that schools have used for pro prospects who might otherwise go pro, and calls for a $3 million payout because Ekpre-Olomu slipped below the first picks of the third round.
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Don't like that the Jags picked up Michael Bennett. I know there must be good reasons he dropped like he did, but it sounds like he could be a steal for them.
 
I know it's unlikely, but I wouldn't mind seeing the Texans use one of their late picks on Trey Williams from Texas A&M, or else (more likely) bring him in as an UDFA. He's my favorite of all the A&M players coming out this year, and I think has a bunch of talent when he's running the ball. He was in a 3-back rotation in a pass-heavy offense at A&M (so not great stats) and didn't get great measurables at the combine, but I think he could be a solid running back. One problem, though, is that he's wasn't a very good blocker in pass protection.
 
Someone please lock Rick Smith back in the closet. There's some good O-linemen still available and we need help there. Anyone think they're listening?
 
Houston chose:
Reshard Cliett OLB rSr South Florida

Another "huh?" pick. I guess they know something about him, though...
 
Reshard Cliett-OLB, a 6'02" 222 lbs. linebacker. Another WTF pick. There are some good O-linemen and Safeties still on the board, both positions of need.
 
Next pick is:
Christian Covington DT rJr Rice

I like this one. Injury issues knocked him down a bit, but if he recovers, we could have good value here, which isn't bad for this far into the draft.
 
OK, so Kenny Hilliard (LSU RB) wraps it up for us. Wouldn't have been my RB choice, but no objection to getting RB depth.

Overall, I wish we'd gotten some OL help. That feels like the biggest thing we're missing out of this.
 
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