JCTexan
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Does O'Brien have a thing for LSU RB's?
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2015 NFL Draft
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Does O'Brien have a thing for LSU RB's?
beerlover
Hall of Fame
I'm not crazy about first three picks either. Passed on Dupree then traded up next two basically handing out rest of this years draft plus a pocket full of Posey
Naija Texan
Waterboy
Sadly I think he might, here's hoping Arian stays healthy as much as possible next season or that Polk or Hillard shows some untapped talent no knew for certain they had, because I still have major doubts on Blue ever being able to provide above average production.
Meanwhile, O-line depth looks like we are going real cheap for that.
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Former Louisiana Tech DE/LB Houston Bates is signing a deal with the Houston Texans. He'll start mini camp next Thursday @LATechFB
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UDFA DT Dan Pettinato (Arizona) has agreed to a deal with the #Texans.
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Breaking: @HoustonTexans sign PFA DE James Rouse Marshall @FBallInsiders
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Former Alabama DL Brandon Ivory heading to the Texans https://twitter.com/Brandon_Ivory99/status/594641441973895168 …
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Tony Washington OLB Oregon to #Texans per media reports
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UDFA C Greg Mancz (Toledo) has agreed to a deal with the #Texans
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Breaking: DE Carlos Thompson tells me he has signed with the Houston Texans
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Lynden Trail says he's off to Houston as a UDFA. Texans fans, get to know him in this profile by @Andy_Staples. http://mmqb.si.com/2015/02/25/lynden-trail-nfl-draft/ …
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#Texans have signed Nebraska’s OL Jake Cotton.
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AFC South
Houston Texans
Lynden Trail OLB Norfolk State
Carlos Thompson DE Ole Miss
Greg Mancz OL Toledo
Tony Washington OLB Oregon
Brandon Ivory DL Alabama
Dan Pettinato DL Arizona
link
BattleRedBlog list
Sean Isabella @ST_IsabellaTNS
Former Louisiana Tech DE/LB Houston Bates is signing a deal with the Houston Texans. He'll start mini camp next Thursday @LATechFB
Adam Caplan ✔@caplannfl
UDFA DT Dan Pettinato (Arizona) has agreed to a deal with the #Texans.
College2Pro.com @BoMarchionte
Breaking: @HoustonTexans sign PFA DE James Rouse Marshall @FBallInsiders
Marq Burnett @Marq_Burnett
Former Alabama DL Brandon Ivory heading to the Texans https://twitter.com/Brandon_Ivory99/status/594641441973895168 …
Mike Loyko @NEPD_Loyko
Tony Washington OLB Oregon to #Texans per media reports
Adam Caplan ✔@caplannfl
UDFA C Greg Mancz (Toledo) has agreed to a deal with the #Texans
Riley Blevins @Riley_Blevins
Breaking: DE Carlos Thompson tells me he has signed with the Houston Texans
The MMQB ✔@theMMQB
Lynden Trail says he's off to Houston as a UDFA. Texans fans, get to know him in this profile by @Andy_Staples. http://mmqb.si.com/2015/02/25/lynden-trail-nfl-draft/ …
PDS @PatDStat
#Texans have signed Nebraska’s OL Jake Cotton.
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bah007
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LOL I like five of those guys more than I like three of our picks today.
I like Covington a lot, but I was not real impressed with our haul today. I'm also not paid the big bucks so what do I know..
I'm with you... I think our haul was pretty underwhelming today.
Texian
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I agree. I have to think that after this draft there may be one or two more entertaining the idea that yes, there may be something to what that crazy old man has been yapping about for what seems like forever. That yes this draft is just another chapter of that dreaded book he calls, A Pattern of Behavior.
Based on the Texans past draft history, this draft, played out exactly as so many bad Texans drafts have before. There is no question or doubt that compared to other team drafts in the division the Texans did rather poorly.
bah007
Hall of Fame
I obviously missed something on Cody Prewitt. I can't figure it out. I think the guy is going to be good but he doesn't even get drafted.
I think he compares favorably to Michael Griffin, and what do you know, the Titans pick him up.
I've missed before, but I really think we're not going to enjoy playing against that kid.
I think he compares favorably to Michael Griffin, and what do you know, the Titans pick him up.
I've missed before, but I really think we're not going to enjoy playing against that kid.
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That's what you said last year remember and the Titans and Jags used that haul of talent to pick 2nd and 3rd overall .
I was thinking the same thing. Maybe he was a bad interview. Who knows! I just hope we were both wrong and he sucks now that he is a titan.
Texian
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AFC South draft grades: Jaguars earn top honors as Texans flounder
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bah007
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I liked last year better but I actually like this class. They just didn't take the guy at every pick that I would have. Boo hoo.
A long time ago, University of Texas head coach Darrell Royal was talking to reporters about the high school seniors they had signed to scholarships that year. A reporter asked him about a kid that they had really recruited hard but had signed with a rival school. Royal responded with something along the lines of that you can't focus on the guys you don't get. Just grab the best ones you can and focus on them.
I think that is a lesson a lot of fans need to learn when following the draft. That doesn't mean that we have to have blind faith in the organization. But once a pick is made, instead of whining about the guys we like that the team passed on, focus on the guy we got and try to figure out what it is about that guy that made the Texans want him.
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The only drafts that really gave me heartburn during it was the first and 2005 .
I agree. I'm still high on last year's picks. We looked at last year's draft & determined we were going to run the ball & play solid defense to win games... & we did. We actually could have won more games.
The stinker though is that we didn't get a lot of production from last year's draft vlbecause we didn't need them. We had veteran players on our team already that were better options than the rookies & Foster was extremely healthy.
If I were to be upset about last year's draft it would be because the Texans saw needs that weren't needs. But with Kubiak sticking with Wade Smith all of 2013, how was OB to know the extent of the need there. & say what you will, I think Ben Jones impressed OB with his play on the field & his work ethic off the field.
Same with Mercilus. OB's staff came in ready to replace Jones & Mercilus but they earned their spots on the rosters.
but it hurts. Surely we're not wrong about our team needs. Or the direction our team is headed. What we identify as needs generally line up with what the "experts" say our needs are & the direction we think our team is headed generally lines up with were we think the future of the league is headed. Rules that favor the long game for instance, we need more speed to take advantage of it. Both at the WR position & the TE position.
Then when it gets close, we need an ILB they draft an ILB how can they not pick the "better" option.
I can see people getting upset.
What's wrong with that thinking is neither the "experts" nor any of us are in the meetings where offensive and defensive philosophy are being talked about by the coaches and coordinators. The staff produced nine wins doing things the way they think they should be done. Nine.
And I've heard O'Brien, RAC, and Smith all say we need to improve team speed. But they also value versatility and smarts and willingness to do whatever to help the team. So if they see the speed guy(s) the draftniks are oogling as one-trick ponies, or not real smart, or "me, me, me" guys, they pass. Speed ain't worth a whole lot if you running real fast to the wrong place.
MSR
And also if everything else is very close, they're going to go with the bigger guy. They love length. Particulary RAC
I think they had Kendriks and McKinney very close but McK has the size they love also
& we very easily could have won three more. Don't get me wrong, I respect the job OB has done so far. & I respect his knowledge & ability. As much as a spectator can anyway. But I'm talking about the consensus very knowledgeable fans on this board has come up with.
Now you're making things up. Im talking about DeVante Parker, just two pots ahead of our pick, Bud Dupree who was still o the board & Dorsett who we tried to move up to get.... then we took Jalen Strong who missed a year of football due to academic ineligibility when speedster Samie Coates was there... I know the consensus is that Strong is the better player, I'm just using that for the speed vs intelligence hing you're bringing up.
beerlover
Hall of Fame
It's getting old & tired, same old song & dance. Guess it's best just to say nothing & move along quietly with my buisness.
I'm speculating because I wasn't in the war room either.
I have no real insight as to why O'Brien chose Strong over Coates.
And maybe they thought getting a CB to succeed J-Jo, whenever he leaves, and grabbing an ILB, was more important than spending draft capital to move up in the first to get Parker when they knew they could get someone good enough in the 3rd.
Hell, I don't know. And I'm not arrogant enough to say that I do. None of us know what they were thinking beyond the coach speak they spout. None of us know who was listed where on their big board and why guys were listed as they had them listed. I was just offering up a possible line of thinking.
Maybe Playoffs knows but he's not talking.
right, I'm not trying to defend the arrogant bastids that think they know better, I'm just empathizing with those who are frustrated with the team not adding speed.
Marshall
Not pretty, but ALIVE!
I'm speculating because I wasn't in the war room either.
I have no real insight as to why O'Brien chose Strong over Coates.
And maybe they thought getting a CB to succeed J-Jo, whenever he leaves, and grabbing an ILB, was more important than spending draft capital to move up in the first to get Parker when they knew they could get someone good enough in the 3rd.
Hell, I don't know. And I'm not arrogant enough to say that I do. None of us know what they were thinking beyond the coach speak they spout. None of us know who was listed where on their big board and why guys were listed as they had them listed. I was just offering up a possible line of thinking.
Maybe Playoffs knows but he's not talking.
This is scary. I really think the deciding factor was Strong's ability to high point the contested catch with his hands away from his body. This is job 1 for every receiver. We now have two elite catchers of the ball and if they don't allow our opponents to mug the receivers, it bodes well for moving the chains and controlling the TOP. The best defense against elite offenses is to keep them off the field.
ps Many of the burners who seem promising had problems getting off the LOS and into the pattern and worse yet, catching the ball...
Fred
Veteran
That's OK, but I really need to see the partial derivative of the cube root of their catch radius versus the triple integral of the angle of their second move (past the LOS) divided by the arctangent of their drop percentage.
Playoffs
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Hands. Strong hands, strong at the point of attack. He dropped only 6-of-132 targets in 2014.
Texans weren't interested in Parker. Had they been, it would have cost them their 3rd rounder to move up to get him.
Fred
Veteran
In English or International (metric) units?
EXACTLY! You want to know something weird? They don't use English units in ... England.
Playoffs
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Position Selected /Underclassmen
Total: 256 /60
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College Selected /Underclassmen
Conference Selected /Underclassmen
Total: 256 /60
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College Selected /Underclassmen
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Conference Selected /Underclassmen
Total: 256 /60
Marshall
Not pretty, but ALIVE!
I agree.
Marshall
Not pretty, but ALIVE!
In English or International (metric) units?
Conversion is easy as long as you don't work for NASA on a deep space probe...
ps Reference is to a metric conversion problem which caused an outer planet lander to crash a few years ago.
I am familiar with the reference.
And the Traj/Nav folks recognized the issue after the orbit insertion burn and proposed a correction burn to compensate. Management did not allow it.
Classic case of how some folks think they can make better decisions using data summaries than the folks who pour over the raw data all day, everyday.
Since Rick decided to go quality over quantity, (Which I agree with after seeing his past drafts) That narrows his ability to make mistakes judging talent. Not that anything really matters, Rick's job is safe regardless of past/future job performance.
The answer to that question is they are Texan worthy according to Cal McNair. IMHO
Do you think some players fail despite their talent, do you think that's possible?
Do you think some players fail because coaches aren't able to coach them?
PHILLYTEXANFAN
Saddle Up Partner
Some players fail also because of the GM. Look at the history of OL drafted during the Carr era. I believe Casserly never properly invested/ protected him
Fred
Veteran
Two big lies Texans fans are sick and tired of hearing:
1. That poor Bud Adams was a great owner but he had to leave Houston because they wouldn't ever spend a penny to keep him.
2. That poor David Carr could have been great but the Texans ruined him because they never invested in the O line and he got shell shocked.
They started in the expansion draft with Tony Boselli and Ryan Young. The first year they used high draft picks (2nd & 3rd round I think) on Chester Pitts and Fred Weary. They brought in a lot of free agent O linemen through the years and kept drafting them, right through Casserly's last draft of using two premium picks (65 and 66) on Charles Spencer and Eric Winston. Some guys got injured and some just sucked, but the Texans made the investment.
The truth is Carr sucked and he made the line look much worse than it was. He set the record for most sacks in a year (72 I think). That includes a lot of jogging out of bounds behind the LOS and lots of curling up into the fetal position before the hit. He must have had the lowest "actually took a hard hit" to "officially sacked" ratio in history. Instead of throwing the ball (even to an open receiver) and then getting drilled (no sack) he would pull the ball down and go fetal - no big hit but a sack (his O line must be terrible!) In 2007 Schaub (never to be mistaked for Steve Young) was sacked half as many times as Carr was in 2006 behind basically the same O line.
If Carr had had the greatest O line in history he would have sucked. If Tom Brady or Peyton Manning had been behind the Texans O line from 2002-6 they would have been at least very good and probably great.
Oh, one more thing - don't start talking about how great Bud Adams was.
I heard Ted Johnson go off on a rant yesterday on this very subject. He was on about a previous Texans QB coach whose first experience as a QB coach was at the pro level, unfortunately here. His lament was that young QBs, in this day and time, are seldom developed/groomed properly by the assistant coaches. He went on to say that scouts and talking heads are constantly lamenting about the lack of pro-style offenses at the college level such that draft prospects come into the draft "pro ready". TJ said that's laziness at the pro scout and ass't coach level because they want the colleges to do what they get paid to do. Take a diamond in the rough, who might have the physical tools, and polish them when that should be the pro staff's job.
All that to say there's more to what you asked than some talking heads will admit to.
Both, but I will take odds on the more talented players being successful, sometimes in spite of coaching.