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2015 NFL Draft

I would try and trade up in the second for Kendrick.

Don't know where he is projected, but maybe we can move up a few.

We have a lot of late round picks that we could utilize.
 
bah007 said:
Colts now have Fleener and Allen at TE with Johnson, Hilton, Moncrief, and Dorsett at WR.

Looks like they plan on playing in some shootouts.
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What good are all those receivers if the QB is on his back? Or if the pass has been batted?

:swatter:

:kitten:
 
JB said:
would be interesting to know who the Texans wanted to trade up for, if in fact they did
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Dorsett or maybe Anthony. Timing says it was Dorsett. Nobody thought with all of their needs the Colts would draft TY, Jr.
 
Still quite a bit of talent left at our positions of need...

WR
Jaelen Strong, Arizona State
Dorial Green-Beckham, Oklahoma
Devin Smith, Ohio State
Sammie Coates, Auburn
Tyler Lockett, Kansas State
Devin Funchess, Michigan

DL
Carl Davis, Iowa
Jordan Phillips, Oklahoma
Mario Edwards, Florida State
Xavier Cooper, Washington State

OLB
Randy Gregory, Nebraska
Eli Harold, Virginia
Preston Smith, Mississippi State
Owamagbe Odighizuwa, UCLA
Nate Orchard, Utah

ILB
Eric Kendricks, UCLA
Denzel Perryman, Miami
Paul Dawson, TCU

S
Eric Rowe, Utah
Landon Collins, Alabama
Quinten Rollins, Miami (OH.)
Josh Shaw, USC
 
Playoffs said:
Dorsett or maybe Anthony. Timing says it was Dorsett. Nobody thought with all of their needs the Colts would draft TY, Jr.
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Dorsett would have made a lot of sense, but then so would have Brown
 
WolverineFan, I'd add Rashad Greene to that list of WR's. I'd have no problems if the Texans took him in the 2nd. There's also several very good RB's available, and lots of O-linemen.
 
Doyel: Colts' first-round draft pick just looks wrong
Gregg Doyel, gregg.doyel@indystar.com

Nobody drafts offensive skill like Indianapolis Colts general manager Ryan Grigson. Nobody I've seen in the last few years, anyway. In 2012 he took quarterback Andrew Luck, which was easy to get right, but he also has drafted T.Y. Hilton and Coby Fleener and Dwayne Allen (in 2012) and Donte Moncrief (2014) - which wasn't.

When Grigson drafts offensive skill, he gets it right.

Ryan Grigson gave Andrew Luck another toy Thursday night.

But man, oh man, oh man. Does this look wrong.

You can see I'm trying to give Grigson the benefit of the doubt here, right? I'm trying, really trying, to give him the benefit of the doubt for drafting receiver Phillip Dorsett of Miami.
  • A guy who didn't play in the Senior Bowl because of an injured oblique muscle.
  • A guy who missed part of his junior season with a partially torn knee ligament.
  • A guy who is roughly the same size as Hilton, and Hilton is tiny.
So the Colts now have two tiny receivers, but - and here's where I'm trying to give Ryan Grigson the benefit of the doubt - the Colts have two electric receivers. You think T.Y. Hilton is electric? Listen, you've not seen wattage until you've seen Phillip Dorsett. He runs the 40-yard dash in about 4.25 seconds, which is so fast, Dorsett has scored twice in the time it takes you to read this sentence.

Make no mistake, the Colts are going to score next season. They're going to score a lot. Andrew Luck will be throwing to Hilton, Moncrief, Fleener, Allen, free agent signee Andre Johnson and now Dorsett, who's faster than any of them. Luck will hand the ball to free agent signee Frank Gore. Andrew Luck, right now, is very happy.

But who protects him from opposing defensive players? And who plays defense for the Colts? They badly need a defensive tackle, and Florida State's Eddie Goldman was available at No. 29 when Grigson got Andrew Luck another toy for Luck's already full toy chest.

The Colts badly need a safety, so badly that their current depth chart lists "Gregg Doyel" as the starter opposite free safety Mike Adams, and I'm 45 years old. Plus bald. And the best safety in this draft, Alabama's Landon Collins, was somehow available at No. 29 when Grigson got another crayon for Andrew Luck's 64-color box of Crayola.

I'm trying to give Ryan Grigson the benefit of the doubt, but I can't forget what the Colts' leaders were saying at the NFL combine in February, here in Indianapolis, when coach Chuck Pagano and their general manager - dude named Grigson - made it clear that the 2014 Colts were not nearly physical enough, not tough enough, not good enough in the interior.

Pagano and Grigson made it clear the Colts were in good hands at the skill positions - you can always get better, nobody was saying the Colts would stand pat on the offensive and defensive perimeter - but not so much at offensive and defensive line. Andrew Luck was hit too many times last season. He had to create plays from a crumbled pocket too many times. Running backs had no room to run, too many times. And not just Trent Richardson.

And on defense? Forget about it. The defensive line was a problem. The depth at safety was a problem that was exacerbated by the needed release of LaRon Landry and the expected departure of free agent Sergio Brown. That left Mike Adams, once he re-signed at age 34, and then bargain-basement pick-up Dwight Lowery at safety. And then me. Then you.

Landon Collins was available, but Grigson picked another receiver. He's good at picking receivers. He doesn't miss, when he picks receivers.

But couldn't he get one in the second round? Or, better yet, the fifth?

The Colts have much bigger needs than Phillip Dorsett. Will they need to score 40 points a game next season?

INDIANAPOLIS STAR
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There are only two receivers left that I feel can make an immediate impact this next season, Devin Smith and Tyler Lockett. Neither are likely to be there at #51. Our 4th round pick, #115, would allow us to trade up to #39. I think we should try and package this pick with a mid-round pick next year and move up for one of these two players. I want to hold on to our third round selection, #82, to address SOLB.
 
Colts' first rounder makes no sense - none
BOB KRAVITZ
INDIANAPOLIS - For all we know, he may be Reggie Wayne Redux. Phillip Dorsett may be another spectacular wide receiver who has a wonderful, productive career with the Indianapolis Colts. This may be 2001 all over again, when the Colts left their fans shocked and dismayed when they took Wayne out of Dorsett's school, the University of Miami, when they already had Marvin Harrison on the roster and desperately needed defense.

Maybe. Possibly. But…

I hate it. Hate it with a fiery hot passion. The board spoke to the Colts' brain trust. Well, somebody needs to tell the board to shut the heck up.

For a team that claims to be "all in," for a team that desperately wants to close the gap on the New England Patriots, for a team that has T.Y. Hilton, Andre Johnson, Donte Moncrief and Duron Carter, well, this is beyond shocking and utterly perplexing. How, exactly, does this make them more competitive with the Patriots? How does this bolster their running game, which did nothing against the Patriots? How does this help stop the run, which was awful in two games against the Patriots? How does this help them slow down elite passing attacks, guys like Tom Brady and Ben Roethlisberger and others, who had their way with the Colts last year?

"We have eight more picks," general manager Ryan Grigson said.

Seriously, is that a promise or a threat?

All draft long, you saw defensive players falling and falling, falling right into the Colts' hands, guys like Landon Collins and Eddie Goldman and Malcolm Brown and others, right there for the Colts to snare at the No. 29 spot.

And they took a wide receiver, a position they need like I need 10 more pounds around my mid-section.

It is befuddling, dumbfounding.

"This shows that we stick to our guns when it comes to taking the best player on our board," Grigson said, "and it's not just party talk."

There's little doubt – I think – that Grigson will go heavy on the defensive side of the ball Friday and Saturday. If not, Chuck Pagano, a defensive-minded coach, will go on a hunger strike. The Patriots ran for 657 yards in the last three games against the Colts. Six-fifty-seven! Did I mention that Goldman was there? That Brown, who naturally went to the Patriots, was there? How about Collins?

What do they take next? A quarterback? A punter?

Look, I understand the "best player available" mentality. I get it. Really, I do. And if you stuck around long enough and listened to Grigson and Pagano wax rhapsodic about Dorsett and his speed and his character and everything else, you almost came away convinced this made sense on some level.

Almost.

This is not a rip of Dorsett, not in any way, shape or form. He may end up being a terrific player, somebody who will step in at the slot receiver position and do amazing things. Or he might someday replace Andre Johnson, who, like the rest of us, isn't getting any younger. He might do all of those things. The young man has ridiculous speed, and the Colts love his toughness, his ability to return punts, his high character. The University of Miami has produced its fair share of terrific wide receivers over the years.

But this feels like a duplication of efforts. You know who Dorsett sounds like? He sounds like T.Y. Hilton . THEY ALREADY HAVE T.Y. HILTON! What are the Colts planning to do – beat everybody 48-45?

If I'm in the Patriots "war room" – they forgot to invite me this year – I'm rolling on the ground in hysterics.

Here is Grigson, though. Buy it if you wish. I don't.

"That that type of speed doesn't stay around very long no matter what the prognosticators are saying or the mocks," he said. "When you've got a 4.25 (40 time) on grass and it shows up that fast on film, somebody's going to take a stab at him, especially when he's got natural receiving skills. He can return punts, he's got lateral elusiveness, he can stick his foot in the ground and he runs good routes. It was easy when you looked at the board who to take."

I want to trust Grigson, who, by and large, has done a reasonably good job in his first three drafts. But he's struck out on two of three first-rounders – Bjoern Werner and the trade for Trent Richardson – and so, he doesn't quite get the benefit of the doubt. This feels like a reach to me. This feels like a "we're smarter than everybody else in the league" kind of pick. Look at the various draft publications – not that they're the gospel or anything, but they offer a glimpse into the general consensus on players. Nobody had Dorsett going this high.

If Grigson turns out to be smarter than everyone else, if Dorsett becomes a playmaker who closes the massive gap between the Colts and the Patriots, I'll happily issue a mea culpa. Won't be the first time or the last. I recall hating the Reggie Wayne pick in 2001, not because of any doubts about Wayne's ability, but because the Colts needed defense so badly. (I can recall that then-coach Jim Mora looked like he wanted to pummel Bill Polian when the pair met the media after that first-round pick).

This is a guy who will help the Colts put up more of those "Star Wars" types of numbers – remember that one from Jim Irsay?– but will only help in the area where the Colts least need help. You're telling me this kid was that much better than Goldman, Brown, Collins and the other defenders on the board?

Now they'll go defense. Right? RIGHT?

"This whole (stopping the) run deal, we're going to get that fixed," Pagano said. "We finished 11th overall in defense. We had some games that were disappointing but there are enough players on that board, there will be people there tomorrow and Saturday and we'll add the right pieces. But we certainly stayed true to the board. When you've got a guy with rare, rare traits, you don't pass on him."

Grigson better be right, or this one will be on his football epitaph.
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WolverineFan said:
Still quite a bit of talent left at our positions of need...

WR
Jaelen Strong, Arizona State
Dorial Green-Beckham, Oklahoma
Devin Smith, Ohio State
Sammie Coates, Auburn
Tyler Lockett, Kansas State
Devin Funchess, Michigan

DL
Carl Davis, Iowa
Jordan Phillips, Oklahoma
Mario Edwards, Florida State
Xavier Cooper, Washington State

OLB
Randy Gregory, Nebraska
Eli Harold, Virginia
Preston Smith, Mississippi State
Owamagbe Odighizuwa, UCLA
Nate Orchard, Utah

ILB
Eric Kendricks, UCLA
Denzel Perryman, Miami
Paul Dawson, TCU

S
Eric Rowe, Utah
Landon Collins, Alabama
Quinten Rollins, Miami (OH.)
Josh Shaw, USC
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Dorial Green-Beckham and his domestic violence issue is probably turning a lot of teams off. I'm interested in seeing what he does in the NFL...if anything.
 
There is no analysis which would indicate this, but I could see Jamarcus Nelson being picked up with a 6th round supplemental pick just to stretch the D. You know, the one guy faster than Dorsett at the combine. But the cost wouldn't be great if he were unable to make the squad.
 
Patriots were certain Colts would draft DT Malcom Brown and shocked when they passed on him, happy to grab him at #32.
 
I'm beginning to think someone pranked the Colts by sending a fake memo from the league saying they're switching to a 7 on 7 format. Goodness
 
Number19 said:
There are only two receivers left that I feel can make an immediate impact this next season, Devin Smith and Tyler Lockett. Neither are likely to be there at #51. Our 4th round pick, #115, would allow us to trade up to #39. I think we should try and package this pick with a mid-round pick next year and move up for one of these two players. I want to hold on to our third round selection, #82, to address SOLB.
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The only receiver I'm even remotely interested in at this point is Sammie Coates. I bet he & Kjax would really get into practices.
 
I'd heard that it was NE that bailed on the trade because Brown fell to them.

I'm kinda glad we didn't trade. We probably would've had to give up a lot. Unless, Swearinger was a part of the trade

Here are a few picks that kinda got a "woah!" from me last night. Maybe some of you that are more 'in the know' feel differently?

- Brandon Scherff at #5 - The dude's a freak on the field, but at 5? With Williams, White, etc still there?

- Ereck Flowers at #9 - I was thinking last 1st , at best!

- Shaq Thompson at #25 - This one threw me for a loop. Maybe y'all can fill me in here, but this dude wasn't even a thought in the 1st for me

- Byron Jones at #27 - It's the Cowboys

- Laken Tomlinson at #28 - I guess I was way off on this guy too. Expected 3rd for him

Also, I'm still trying to figure out why the Chargers traded in front of us to get Gordon. I'm having a hard time thinking that we would've taken him at 16
 
HOU-TEX said:
I'd heard that it was NE that bailed on the trade because Brown fell to them.

I'm kinda glad we didn't trade. We probably would've had to give up a lot. Unless, Swearinger was a part of the trade

Here are a few picks that kinda got a "woah!" from me last night. Maybe some of you that are more 'in the know' feel differently?

- Brandon Scherff at #5 - The dude's a freak on the field, but at 5? With Williams, White, etc still there?

- Ereck Flowers at #9 - I was thinking last 1st , at best!

- Shaq Thompson at #25 - This one threw me for a loop. Maybe y'all can fill me in here, but this dude wasn't even a thought in the 1st for me

- Byron Jones at #27 - It's the Cowboys

- Laken Tomlinson at #28 - I guess I was way off on this guy too. Expected 3rd for him

Also, I'm still trying to figure out why the Chargers traded in front of us to get Gordon. I'm having a hard time thinking that we would've taken him at 16
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For what it's worth I had Scherff at 3
 
HOU-TEX said:
I'd heard that it was NE that bailed on the trade because Brown fell to them.

I'm kinda glad we didn't trade. We probably would've had to give up a lot. Unless, Swearinger was a part of the trade

Here are a few picks that kinda got a "woah!" from me last night. Maybe some of you that are more 'in the know' feel differently?

- Brandon Scherff at #5 - The dude's a freak on the field, but at 5? With Williams, White, etc still there?

- Ereck Flowers at #9 - I was thinking last 1st , at best!

- Shaq Thompson at #25 - This one threw me for a loop. Maybe y'all can fill me in here, but this dude wasn't even a thought in the 1st for me

- Byron Jones at #27 - It's the Cowboys

- Laken Tomlinson at #28 - I guess I was way off on this guy too. Expected 3rd for him

Also, I'm still trying to figure out why the Chargers traded in front of us to get Gordon. I'm having a hard time thinking that we would've taken him at 16
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Redskins and Giants trying to mimic the Cowboys after watching their OL last year

Thompson is very versatile and Panthers needed help at safety and LB

yeah it's the Cowboys... but Jones was not a bad pick for them

I think the Lions kinda blew it here on Tomlinson but I'm not real surprised by that

There were rumors that we were targeting Gordon

Real woah for me was the Bronco's giving up 3 picks and Manny Ramirez to move up 5 spots for Ray
 
JB said:
Thompson is very versatile and Panthers needed help at safety and LB
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The pick was announced by Thomas Davis, the guy Shaq Thompson will eventually replace. That's just plain wrong.
 
I'm in the extreme minority here ... but I'm starting to want TJ Clemmings. One of my favorite Olineman in the draft, and ROT of the future for us!!! .... I don't think Jaleon Strong will last to us and he's the other guy I really really want
 
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