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2:1 - Who are we taking?

Aj McCarron




I still believe he will be the most successful of this bunch of QBs.
 
thunderkyss said:
Aj McCarron




I still believe he will be the most successful of this bunch of QBs.
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I´d like to believe that - but after watching some tape, he looks really inaccurate on several really easy throws like screens. Plus he looks slow. I wouldn`t touch him at the first of the second, but I´d be ready to take him in the third. He´s got great intangibles, a prototypical build and a really good arm. I´d definetly take him over Carr...
 
Surely Carr if it was any one but us. The public relations situation would be untenable though for us
 
Shezza said:
Surely Carr if it was any one but us. The public relations situation would be untenable though for us
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Fans need to understand that the Casserly regime hurt David in the long. Just look how they drafted after David, and FAs they signed.
 
Wolf6151 said:
There's plenty of good talent still on the board. I agree, trade down pick up an extra 3rd and still get a quality player in the 2nd. I wonder if Rick Smith gets much sleep tonight fielding trade offers all night long. Also with only 1 of the top 4 QB's still available someone might be willing to pay dearly for #33.

I'd love to trade down with San Francisco #56 and #61 for our #33.
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SF is who I'm looking at also. Swap seconds and get one of their thirds. That would be ideal.
 
PHILLYTEXANFAN said:
Fans need to understand that the Casserly regime hurt David in the long. Just look how they drafted after David, and FAs they signed.
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If we sign Carr he needs to sit a year and we need to get a good RT. He has anxiety issues and can`t live with pressure. Plus he is really inaccurate with the long ball. If we put him in right now with last seasons OLine, he will suffer the same fate as his brother did.

You can compare him to Bridgewater. Both are about the same height, both have the sam "small" hands. Carr has the stronger arm, Bridgewater has about everything else going in his favor (smarts, vision, pocket presence, handling the blitz, accuracy, playing in big games). I´d absolutely hate taking him 1 spot behind Bridgewater...
 
Just take Nix. Might as well load up the D and ensure that it is scary as Hell. Far as QBs, I am done with this draft class. I'm not looking for somebody to possibly help us win 6 games this year instead of 4. I was looking for a franchise QB and it is too late for that. At this point, I don't even care how many games we win this year. We are waiting for a better QB class, ie, sitting around with our thumbs up or butts.
 
Unless we take DC2, and unless there is a surprise somewhere, there are no franchise QBs left. As far as I'm concerned, it's BPA from here on out and hope we get lucky.
 
Moses is my vote, I think he would be a great pick, and it is such a huge need. No QB can play worth a crap with Newton on line.
 
LikeMike said:
If we sign Carr he needs to sit a year and we need to get a good RT. He has anxiety issues and can`t live with pressure. Plus he is really inaccurate with the long ball. If we put him in right now with last seasons OLine, he will suffer the same fate as his brother did.

You can compare him to Bridgewater. Both are about the same height, both have the sam "small" hands. Carr has the stronger arm, Bridgewater has about everything else going in his favor (smarts, vision, pocket presence, handling the blitz, accuracy, playing in big games). I´d absolutely hate taking him 1 spot behind Bridgewater...
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On the first bolded, why would you want him at all then? In the playoffs, especially in a Superbowl, there WILL be pressure. Not just emotional pressure, but D-Lineman close enough to tear your jersey pressure and dang determined to drag you down by the ear. Do we really want a QB who is guaranteed through his own college play and pedigree to fold under pressure? I'd rather have somebody not as good overall who tends to bow up to pressure. Having said that, I'm already done with QBs in this draft.

On the second bolded, no freaking crap. What idiocy would that be?
 
I really want Tuitt, but this draft is pretty deep with 5' techs.

I'll say either Moses, Bitonio, or Su'a-Filo on the O-Line or Nix, Van Noy, or Joyner on defense. Garoppolo if we go QB.
 
Forget about drafting a quarterback this year. They already blew it. Wait till next year. Give me the top #1 running back in the draft. We have got to add some weapons to this pitiful offense of ours and Foster's best years are gone in my opinion.Tate gone. Now Johnson may retire. Quarterback reject from 4 different NFL teams. I'm not happy and not normally so negative but for crying out loud.....lets address this pizz poor offense in this draft already!!
 
Only way we're making the offense any better without a QB is right side O-line, and I wouldn't doubt if it's too late for that too....at least for immediate improvement, that is.

I say we take Nix and we can lose every game 10 to 5 all year. We wait and get our franchise QB in......................................?............2037?
 
HJam72 said:
On the first bolded, why would you want him at all then? In the playoffs, especially in a Superbowl, there WILL be pressure. Not just emotional pressure, but D-Lineman close enough to tear your jersey pressure and dang determined to drag you down by the ear. Do we really want a QB who is guaranteed through his own college play and pedigree to fold under pressure? I'd rather have somebody not as good overall who tends to bow up to pressure. Having said that, I'm already done with QBs in this draft.

On the second bolded, no freaking crap. What idiocy would that be?
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I don`t want him. I´ve always said he scares the crap out of me and has bust written all over him. But I´d be ok with taken a chance in the 3d of 4th round with him, since he has undenieable talent - and if they take him they believe they can fix his nerves. But no way in hell would I take him in the 2nd.

Taking him would go against every common sense. People say stuff like: prodays don`t matter, stats are overrated. Yet the reason he keeps climbing boards are his workouts and his stats.

Garapolo has similar problems, but I´d be okayish if we took him. But right now, I´d really prefer improving the team, instead of taking a risky QB.

Fix the O-Line with Moses. Get that NT with Nix, get the next Antonio Smith with Tuitt, or get that TE weapon with ASF. Or, even better, trade down, because there is so much talent still left.

If I had to take a QB, I´d take Murray in the 4th or the 5th.
 
I mean I can see taking some of these guys if they fall far enough, but I really just don't even want to see it. Next thing you know, they are our excuse for not taking QBs in future years, because we are gutless about it.
 
Derek Carr. I'm not buying the pr disaster.

If there's something people like watching more than something they love, it's watching something they hate.

If the texans were just in it for pr they'd have traded up for manziel.

If the team feels Carr is the best prospect/qb available they should grab him. If he comes in and plays well no fans will care who his brother is.

If they don't like him, pass on him. Personally, it's who I'd take. Not just because of his physical talent and having the best arm it the too qb's by far, but I like what I've hear and seen from him leading his teammates and in interviews. I think he obviously is more of a football junkie than his brother was. And I think this will be an awkward enough situation to keep him on his toes.

+ it could be a good karma reverse for this franchise. Clowney and then Carr could be what this franchise needs.
 
Carr is really very talented, but I dunno about the whole thing with his familys history ? I'm sure Bob McNair would hate to go down that road, but if his newly hired and very highly compensated QB-guru HC likes Carr and is lobbying for him it's gonna be a big-time decision for the Texans. Certainly one thing different than the first go around with the Carr family is that they've already got the Vet QB in place so Derrick could be brought along slowly and deliberately instead of being prematurely thrust into a starting role as his brother was.
 
Not wanting Carr for me has nothing to do with his brother. I wasn`t around when he was the pick and I wasn`t around when he failed. So I am not really burned.

Like I said, I just don`t see the talent. I see arm strength, sure. I see great stats, sure. I see a guy that is good with his teammates, sure.

But I also see: 60% of his passes were 0-5yds. When he was pressured he only completed 50% of his passes. He has a strong arm, but his deep ball accuracy was considerably worse than Bridgewaters. He fails in big games. Reportedly he almost threw up before his proday because of the pressure.

I also see a guy with the same height as Bridgewater that isn`t nearly as fluid in the pocket. And I see a guy with the same handsize as Bridgewater, a thing Bridgewater was criticized for.

Again: what has this guy going for him?
 
Carr probably is the best QB available at this point. He'll make us extremely deep at backup QB...

That's where we are in this draft. The starters, even future starters are gone. We are now down to really good backups, and there's a lot of them.
 
Draft best available OT with 2.1: Cyrus Kouandjio, Morgan Moses, Joel Bitonio, or Cameron Fleming

And then trade the 3.1 to get back into the second round and get the best available DE or NT.
 
Derrick Carr IS David Carr as a QB. There is no discernable difference, except that he may be a little better at preparation.
 
No Worries said:
Draft best available OT with 2.1: Cyrus Kouandjio, Morgan Moses, Joel Bitonio, or Cameron Fleming

And then trade the 3.1 to get back into the second round and get the best available DE or NT.
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Maybe. I don't hate that idea, but if Nix can be healthy I want him now.
 
HJam72 said:
Maybe. I don't hate that idea, but if Nix can be healthy I want him now.
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I'm not crazy about using a pick this high on a 2 down player like Nix. His teammate Tuitt as a DE, sure. But, I would rather address the RT spot now. I don't think there will be a starter available at 3-1.

As far as QB is concerned, I'm assuming the Mallett deal goes through.
 
I'm not really a big fan of Derek Carr. I'd LOVE it if we were to pick up Brett Smith out of Wyoming as a project QB.
 
I want Nix or Hageman at 2.1, Borland at 3.1, trade for Mallett, and then spend the rest of the draft on a corner/safety and offense.
 
Looking at the board this morning, I like Tuitt, but Jernigan and Hageman are also available.

I'd stay away from Nix because of his injury and because there will be several NT's available deeper in the draft.

There are several good Olinemen available, but I'm thinking one will be available at 3-65
 
LikeMike said:
Not wanting Carr for me has nothing to do with his brother. I wasn`t around when he was the pick and I wasn`t around when he failed. So I am not really burned.

Like I said, I just don`t see the talent. I see arm strength, sure. I see great stats, sure. I see a guy that is good with his teammates, sure.

But I also see: 60% of his passes were 0-5yds. When he was pressured he only completed 50% of his passes. He has a strong arm, but his deep ball accuracy was considerably worse than Bridgewaters. He fails in big games. Reportedly he almost threw up before his proday because of the pressure.
I also see a guy with the same height as Bridgewater that isn`t nearly as fluid in the pocket. And I see a guy with the same handsize as Bridgewater, a thing Bridgewater was criticized for.

Again: what has this guy going for him?
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That would be inaccurate. He did his proday while battling the flu and nausea. It had nothing to do with nerves. He actually had to get IV fluids put in and of course meds.
 
TheIronDuke said:
I want Nix or Hageman at 2.1, Borland at 3.1, trade for Mallett, and then spend the rest of the draft on a corner/safety and offense.
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We need more LBs.

I like Cushing, think we'll get a full season out of him. I'm aight with Clowney, not the guy I wanted, but hopefully he'll be the play maker we need on the edge.

But for a 3-4 defense, I'm not impressed, overall, with the quality of our LBs.
 
Trade down with Oakland and let them pick Carr.

Then you should have your pick of Bitonio/Moses/Fua on the OL or Hageman/Nix/Van Noy/Tuitt on DL/LB.
 
Is an NT a) going to see the field enough (70% nickel/even fronts per B.O.B) and b) when we know the RAC wants a big fat guy (to be blunt) when the NT will be on the field to justify drafting Nix at 33?

Give me a RT, a CB, an ILB or the QB and with all of the needs trading down here makes even more sense than trading down from 1. Unless there is somebody the front office loves as at RT, because the tackles got picked over last night.
 
LikeMike said:
He fails in big games. Reportedly he almost threw up before his proday because of the pressure.
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He threw up all morning before his pro day because he was sick. There was no reason for him to be nervous considering he had already thrown infront of the same scouts with a week of workouts at the Senior Bowl. Then he went out there with a stomach bug and was essentially perfect with scouts saying he didn't have a bad throw and him saying he missed one throw by about a foot.
 
Changed my mind on Carr....

I just can't bring myself to get over his jitterbug nature in the pocket. And I watched some clips and I was reminded how much like David he looks like as a player.

I think I'm in the trade down camp at this point.

But I wouldn't be upset with some of the guys still sitting there on the board.
 
I rather they trade down. Mussop's suggestion sounded like a really good one if the 49ers would want to bite. Other than that I have no issues with Carr. I could care less about David's time here. They aren't the same individual. I remember hearing reports where football wasn't as important to David so that right there could hint at a different mindset. Only the coaches know since I'm sure they picked his brain more than enough.

His issue is handling pressure but quite honestly, is there a QB left that we can't pick apart at this point? So if you are picking one then go for one that can fit your system and has the most talent and at this point it is probably Carr. Strong arm, nice touch on his passes, mobility so not another statue, etc. Still have to worry about the pressure issue but that is what coaching is for and supposedly we have a quarterback guru.

Nix also seems a good choice though you have health and consider how often are we really going to be in the 3-4 and have him on the field? O'Brien sure made it a point to beat it upside our heads how much a defense spends in the nickle. So do you let your choice for NT fall to a latter round with that in mind? Hell, we could use a corner for the nickle as well when speaking on that.

Yeah trade it and get an extra 3rd out of it.
 
Would you trade down to the bottom of the second for both of San Frans 2nd rounders?

I really want two picks in this round.

Lots of players I like in this round.

I wouldn't mind Kyle Van Noy with a bit of a trade back, Tuitt, Nix, Joyner, Daquan Jones, Amaro, Bitonio.

I don't like Hageman at all.

Seattle has two 2nd's as well, but I don't know if they'd be willing to trade up.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
Would you trade down to the bottom of the second for both of San Frans 2nd rounders?

I really want two picks in this round.

Lots of players I like in this round.
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I love all the talent that is still out there...very excited. I wouldn't trade out of this spot unless I get a 1st next season. Very possible. We can always trade back into this round if we do that. If we don't I'd love to see us take a position player and then trade back into this round. We could find two fairly elite starters in this round if we do it right.
 
Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter · 4m
Here we go again: Texans listening to offers and open to moving the top pick in the second round.

Jayson Braddock ‏@JaysonBraddock · 2m
Hearing the #Texans are getting some good offers for #33, due to so much value left. I'd be surprised if they don't trade back.
 
DX-TEX said:
Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter · 4m
Here we go again: Texans listening to offers and open to moving the top pick in the second round.

Jayson Braddock ‏@JaysonBraddock · 2m
Hearing the #Texans are getting some good offers for #33, due to so much value left. I'd be surprised if they don't trade back.
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Sounds great to me....
 
Vinny said:
I love all the talent that is still out there...very excited. I wouldn't trade out of this spot unless I get a 1st next season. Very possible. We can always trade back into this round if we do that. If we don't I'd love to see us take a position player and then trade back into this round. We could find two fairly elite starters in this round if we do it right.
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Yeah I agree...
 
kiwitexansfan said:
Post in here who you think we pick @ 2:1.

My pick is Louis Nix, NT, Notre Dame
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I'd love for us to take him and that would be my pick as well but I have this feeling that we'll get an offer from somebody who is in love with "somebody" and the Texans won't pass it up. I think we trade down, pick up another 3 or a pick next year and then by that time Nix is gone.
 
I rather stay put and draft DT or DE. We got Clowney and likely he will be used at OLB and kick Reed to inside(that is 4 starter material players). Yes, we need more depth at LB position but I feel like DT or DE should be filled prior to LB position as we are missing 2 starter material players. I still have a question on Crick as our DE and at Nose, well, we really need one.
 
I don't think you can play Mercilus AND Clowney at OLB.

You don't want either of those guys dropping back too much. Both are similar type players being edge rushers primarily....BUT Clowney is the far superior player. Personally I'd move Mercilus to the bench and look for a player like Kyle Van Noy who would be versatile enough to play OLB in base sets and then move inside in nickel or dime if needed.

I think a versatile player like Van Noy would be a great fit for this LB corps.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8kVKo5HiV0
 
I think Nix at NT is a luxury, especially when there are legit needs that can be filled at 33. I'm fairly certain we can get the 350lb space eating NT later in the draft. Need much more help at RT, ILB, the secondary, OG and QB.
 
Blake said:
DL or OL. Keep building up the trenches.
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This is kinda where I'm at right now. I'm leaning OL. Moses would be a solid RT and the talent level at that position drops off severely after him. There are several NTs and DEs that are going to be available later that aren't as big a drop off talent wise from nix and Tuitt.

Carrethers, Ellis, McCullers, Coleman and Urbin off the top of my head. Off course secondary should also be considered. It would be nice to have someone back there with some play making ability to capatalize off what should be an excellent pass rush.
 
I think what I want the Texans to do is trade down a little and take Kyle Van Noy. Maybe pick up an extra 3rd round pick.

There's going to be some quality players available at 3.1 as well...
 
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