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DW4 staying or going?

On May 1st 2021 DeShawn Watson will be:

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steelbtexan said:
We don't know this, nor do we know DW4 would've brought the Chiefs back from 24-0. In fact I doubt he would have. Much less brought them back to win a SB. DW4's proven when times get tough he cuts and runs.

Agreed with the last paragraph of your post.
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Watson brought the Texans for the wins or gave them the opportunity for wins many times over his starts. Give him the Chiefs coaching staff, offensive system and weapons......Watson could do some damage to opposing defenses, even the Bucs.
 
Texian said:
I read so many articles thru out the day I couldn't remember, where I read it. Spent last 30 minutes searching history to no avail. Sorry, but I did read it somewhere. First and foremost Culley was a boardroom roundtable decision, you know that. The comments basically said Cal was instrumental in directing Nick he wanted to make a culture change with the new head coach(trying to appease DW4?).
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thanks for searching around. I think the primary cultural shift is away from the micro managing dictator that OB was. I had a friend that worked with the team and he was not a fan of OB at all. Hopefully Culley turns out to be more then just a nice guy. I have serious reservations though. I have higher expectations for the HC in waiting
 
OptimisticTexan said:
Watson brought the Texans for the wins or gave them the opportunity for wins many times over his starts. Give him the Chiefs coaching staff, offensive system and weapons......Watson could do some damage to opposing defenses, even the Bucs.
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You don't know this.

What you're trying to do is blame 51-7 all on coaching. So does coaching get credit for 24-0. Bottom line is you're trying to absolve DW4 of blame when there was plenty of blame to go around for everybody.
 
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steelbtexan said:
Plus if Cal lets this play out the Texans will suck next yr and in 2022 have the ability to pick a top QB. Then trade DW4 for as much as if they traded him tomorrow. In a way for the good of the NFL as a whole and for the Texans I hope Cal sticks to his guns and doesn't trade DW4.
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My attitude is embrace the suck as a fan. We know it's coming, like winter in GoT, so there is no point fretting about it. Just have to hope it doesn't last too long. I can't imagine how Browns fans stayed interested after a couple of decades of it.

banned1976 said:
I'm at a weird spot in time with Houston sports. Now that Watt is gone, I'm looking for that "next man up", the next guy that will pick up the torch and run with it.

I was born in Houston in '67. It seems there was always someone in the world of professional sports that I could be proud of, someone that represented the city of Houston. As I get older, my interest in the world of sports has waned; and to be honest, I'm kind of sad about that. And it's the stuff that went on with the Astros, and now the Texans being in such disarray, it just pushes me further away.

I'd love it if Watson would just make a simple statement that he's ready to win a championship for Houston. That would help get me interested again. But honestly, I don't think that's going to happen. If he does play for the Texans again, it won't be because he wants the long suffering Houstonians to be in the spotlight for something good for a change. It will be because he feels like he has to.
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Same boat here. I'll always be a Houston fan, but as I've gotten older, my perspective has shifted from it being part of my identity as a fan to all of it just being entertainment. Once that switch happened, it's like seeing the fat man behind the curtain in the Wizard of Oz, I just can't go back. I blame 35-3 for the killing of my 'fan innocence'. lol

That said, the Rockets and Astros championships were fun as heck. I love the vibe in the city and I'm happy for Houston fans when it happens. It's a weird vicarious experience, but there is a collective joy in the air when the home team wins a championship. I can't even imagine how it would feel if a Houston football team ever won a Super Bowl.

steelbtexan said:
I don't understand people who feel this way. This Astros championship brought me great joy. How can you let the DW4 act make you not want to watch sports?

The BLM stuff has me watching less sports. Canceled my MBA league pass.
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I can only speak for myself, but I don't think the attitude shift happens overnight. It was a gradual thing, realizations type of stuff mixed with a sort of pragmatic cynicism.

In the end, to paraphrase something Jerry Seinfeld once said, we're ultimately fans of laundry. And the players win. We just watch.

maverick512000 said:
People call me a homer and maybe I am but I just don't see the reason to watch, read about or even talk about a team if I think there is no hope and its all doom and gloom. If I wanted that I'd turn on the news for 15 minutes, that would give me all the doom and gloom I need and then some.
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Good post overall, I just clipped this part for a reply. For me, I'm a pro football fan, so I'll be watching the NFL every season regardless if the Houston team is good or not. I watched the NFL through both 2-14 seasons and will still be watching the NFL for the inevitable suck that we are about to experience in H-town. And obviously, by default, I'm a Houston kinda' guy so the Texans are "my team". *sigh* lol

And let's face it, even the doom & gloom can be entertaining if you don't get emotional about it. I'll admit, it's not even close as entertaining as actually having a great team to root for, but there is a sort of schadenfreude involved with the drama, like watching videos of stupid people doing stupid things.
 
steelbtexan said:
We will just have to agree to disagree. His trade value shouldn't be limited by the NTC because if he wants to be traded then he will either have to accept the trade or sit his azz on Kirby next yr.

I hope you are right and another team feels the way you do and is willing to trade the farm to take on the headache/Diva.
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What is it to disagree upon in terms of the NTC? If Watson were to say I'm only lifting my NTC to these to places, that means the other teams can't bid or be involved correct. If he didn't have the NTC, then more teams would be involved. Thats simple math.
 
leebigeztx said:
What is it to disagree upon in terms of the NTC? If Watson were to say I'm only lifting my NTC to these to places, that means the other teams can't bid or be involved correct. If he didn't have the NTC, then more teams would be involved. Thats simple math.
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Or there is door #1 = You remain a Texan OR Door #2 = You accept the trade we make OR Door #3 = You can sit. What door will it be Mr. Watson?
 
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OptimisticTexan said:
Watson brought the Texans for the wins or gave them the opportunity for wins many times over his starts. Give him the Chiefs coaching staff, offensive system and weapons......Watson could do some damage to opposing defenses, even the Bucs.
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Maybe/Maybe not, I just love how everything is everybody elses fault when it comes to the world of DW4 in some posters eyes. BTW, DW4's nowhere near the talent level Mahomes is. That would be like comparing Rodgers talent level to McNabb's talent level. McNabb was good (Like DW4) but nowhere near the talent level of Mahomes and it's quite the assuption to say DW4 could've made an AFCCG and 2 SB's in his 1st three yrs if he only had Reid as his HC. Reid only got his 1st SB win because of Mahomes. He darn sure couldn't get a SB trophy with McNabb as his QB.
 
Texian said:
Or there is door #1 = You remain a Texan OR Door #2 = You accept the trade we make OR Door #3 = You can sit. What will it be Mr. Watson?
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This is exactly how Caserio should treat this situation. Test DW4's resolve by testing his wallet and if he shows resolve still hold onto him and trade him in the 2022 offseason.
 
Double Barrel said:
And let's face it, even the doom & gloom can be entertaining if you don't get emotional about it. I'll admit, it's not even close as entertaining as actually having a great team to root for, but there is a sort of schadenfreude involved with the drama, like watching videos of stupid people doing stupid things.
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To this viewer, the Texans are The Faces of Death of stupid people doing stupid things. Instead of watching a skateboarder racking his nuts on the rail, I'm watching Timothy Treadwell, aka "The Grizzly Man", getting eaten up by...a grizzly.
 
leebigeztx said:
What is it to disagree upon in terms of the NTC? If Watson were to say I'm only lifting my NTC to these to places, that means the other teams can't bid or be involved correct. If he didn't have the NTC, then more teams would be involved. Thats simple math.
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Then he stays because he's under contract. Of course if he wants to prove a point and give back that 27 mil signing bonus and 10 mil in salary next yr then more power to him. Moral of the story is Cal should learn to be much more careful who he hands out these types of contracts too.

Really simple
 
leebigeztx said:
What is it to disagree upon in terms of the NTC? If Watson were to say I'm only lifting my NTC to these to places, that means the other teams can't bid or be involved correct. If he didn't have the NTC, then more teams would be involved. Thats simple math.
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You still seem to be working under this idea that theTexans have to trade him. Not sure where you got this idea but it’s wrong.
 
Lucky said:
All 31 teams don't have the capital to make a decent offer. The Jets and Dolphins do. A good negotiator would try to pit the 2 against each other.

Too bad the Texans don't have one of those.
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You still give all 31 the opportunity to make an offer if they wish. Not all will
 
leebigeztx said:
What is it to disagree upon in terms of the NTC? If Watson were to say I'm only lifting my NTC to these to places, that means the other teams can't bid or be involved correct. If he didn't have the NTC, then more teams would be involved. Thats simple math.
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To me, the thing about the NTC is if the Jets are willing to give us the equivalent of four 2021 number ones including the 2nd overall then Watson says he's not interested.

I'm not going to look for the next best deal & it turns out he doesn't like that team either.

If Watson has handed the Texans a list that includes NYJets & Miami I don't know why a deal isn't done yet.

Maybe the Texans don't believe (through real NFL sources) the Jets are prepared to offer up what they want.

I don't want to trade Watson.
 
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Texansballer74 said:
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The Houston Texans are in the midst of a mass exodus. Houston said goodbye to one of its all-time greats in J.J. Watt last week after the five-time Pro Bowler asked to be released from his contract. Now, the attention shifts to star quarterback Deshaun Watson, who requested a trade shortly...
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Yep,

They can agree to a trade and have whatever team they want pick the players the Texans want them too then complete the trade after June 1st. It wont bother me if they trade DW4 before the draft and eat the 21.6 mil since they're going to suck next yr anyways.
 
thunderkyss said:
To me, the thing about the NTC is if the Jets are willing to give us the equivalent of four 2021 number ones including the 2nd overall then Watson says he's not interested.

I'm not going to look for the next best deal & it turns out he doesn't like that team either.

If Watson has handed the Texans a list that includes NYJets & Miami I don't know why a deal isn't done yet.

Maybe the Texans don't believe (through real NFL sources) the Jets are prepared to offer up what they want.

The Texans don't want to trade Watson.
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EDIT for the only thing that really matters.
 
Lucky said:
All 31 teams don't have the capital to make a decent offer. The Jets and Dolphins do. A good negotiator would try to pit the 2 against each other.

Too bad the Texans don't have one of those.
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thats not true Most teams have the #1 and #2 picks 4 years from now they could just give them all up ...if the texans wanna go that route have the picks spread out 4 years from now
 
The compromise, DW4 meets with the Texans privately with the following: this is irreparable so I will wave the no-trade clause and return 80% of the signing bonus and you trade me no later than 30 days after the 2021 league year starts. If it's legal, then Texans get on the phone and let the bidding war begin.
 
Norg said:
thats not true Most teams have the #1 and #2 picks 4 years from now they could just give them all up ...if the texans wanna go that route have the picks spread out 4 years from now
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A 1st round draft pick from next year has a value similar to a 2021 second.

A 1st round pick two years from now has a value similar to a 2021 third.

You'd basically be trading Watson for a 1st, 2nd, 3rd, & 4th. Which isn't really 4 firsts.

Two 2021 1st round picks, two 2021 2nd round picks is the same as three 2021 first round picks.

Two 2022 1st round picks and two 2022 2nd round picks is the same as a 2021 1st round pick.

That's the four 1st round picks I want.
 
KoolAid Sipper said:
The compromise, DW4 meets with the Texans privately with the following: this is irreparable so I will wave the no-trade clause and return 80% of the signing bonus and you trade me no later than 30 days after the 2021 league year starts. If it's legal, then Texans get on the phone and let the bidding war begin.
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The problem is that requires Watson to realize that he has the weaker position and that Texans don’t have to trade him. I think the only people he are listening to is his agent who is telling him that he holds all the cards and the media talking heads talking about all the different teams that he can go to and be an instant contender.
 
JB said:
You still give all 31 the opportunity to make an offer if they wish. Not all will
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For some reason, this seems like the same tactic Cal used for the GM search. You know the outcome, but you still spend time and resources on the dog and pony show..
 
steelbtexan said:
Maybe/Maybe not, I just love how everything is everybody elses fault when it comes to the world of DW4 in some posters eyes. BTW, DW4's nowhere near the talent level Mahomes is. That would be like comparing Rodgers talent level to McNabb's talent level. McNabb was good (Like DW4) but nowhere near the talent level of Mahomes and it's quite the assuption to say DW4 could've made an AFCCG and 2 SB's in his 1st three yrs if he only had Reid as his HC. Reid only got his 1st SB win because of Mahomes. He darn sure couldn't get a SB trophy with McNabb as his QB.
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So who fault was it when KC didn't score a td in the Superbowl? Just asking
 
Lucky said:
All 31 teams don't have the capital to make a decent offer. The Jets and Dolphins do. A good negotiator would try to pit the 2 against each other.

Too bad the Texans don't have one of those.
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From my point of view it seems like that's exactly what is happening.
 
thunderkyss said:
To me, the thing about the NTC is if the Jets are willing to give us the equivalent of four 2021 number ones including the 2nd overall then Watson says he's not interested.

I'm not going to look for the next best deal & it turns out he doesn't like that team either.

If Watson has handed the Texans a list that includes NYJets & Miami I don't know why a deal isn't done yet.

Maybe the Texans don't believe (through real NFL sources) the Jets are prepared to offer up what they want.

I don't want to trade Watson.
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A good possibility. I am hoping the deal is available, Texans hoping public opinion will continue to grow in support of trading Deshaun. Just on this board and talk shows I have seen a significant swing in favor of trading him due to his behavior.

When McNair feels time is right we get announcement. The two teams most needing this trade, NY and Houston are not discussing Watson. Hmm?
 
Texansballer74 said:
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And lose give up on draft picks that they need now?
 
leebigeztx said:
So who fault was it when KC didn't score a td in the Superbowl? Just asking
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Well Mahomes did hit Robinson with a pass in the facemask in the EZ a great throw by Mahomes as he was falling down. But to answer your question Andy Reid did what Andy Reid does. He says this is what we do, (Mainly throw the ball) stop it. Problem is without keeping people in they didn't have the time to run the route concepts they usually run because they lost their OT's. So the answer was a little bit of everything including Mahomes playing with injury. He had toe surgery after the SB. Bottom line was Tampa was better on both sides of the ball that day.
 
steelbtexan said:
Yep,

They can agree to a trade and have whatever team they want pick the players the Texans want them too then complete the trade after June 1st. It wont bother me if they trade DW4 before the draft and eat the 21.6 mil since they're going to suck next yr anyways.
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Yeah I thought the decision of everyone on this board was to eat the 21.6 immediately rather than prorate it
 
KoolAid Sipper said:
The compromise, DW4 meets with the Texans privately with the following: this is irreparable so I will wave the no-trade clause and return 80% of the signing bonus and you trade me no later than 30 days after the 2021 league year starts. If it's legal, then Texans get on the phone and let the bidding war begin.
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That would be stupid for DeShaun to do. When this resolves, Watson will be on one of the team's he wants to be a QB for and the Texans will have the best package they can get if not what they want. Then we fans can spend years taking sides and exclaiming how each side made mistakes and more importantly how we would do it differently.
 
KoolAid Sipper said:
The compromise, DW4 meets with the Texans privately with the following: this is irreparable so I will wave the no-trade clause and return 80% of the signing bonus and you trade me no later than 30 days after the 2021 league year starts. If it's legal, then Texans get on the phone and let the bidding war begin.
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KoolAid Sipper said:
The compromise, DW4 meets with the Texans privately with the following: this is irreparable so I will wave the no-trade clause and return 80% of the signing bonus and you trade me no later than 30 days after the 2021 league year starts. If it's legal, then Texans get on the phone and let the bidding war begin.
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I want 100% of the signing bonus back or he can sit out and I will get the bonus back plus his 10.5 mil salary next yr. Good thing is DW4 sitting out wont hurt their record because they're going to suck with or without DW4.
 
thunderkyss said:
A 1st round draft pick from next year has a value similar to a 2021 second.

A 1st round pick two years from now has a value similar to a 2021 third.

You'd basically be trading Watson for a 1st, 2nd, 3rd, & 4th. Which isn't really 4 firsts.

Two 2021 1st round picks, two 2021 2nd round picks is the same as three 2021 first round picks.

Two 2022 1st round picks and two 2022 2nd round picks is the same as a 2021 1st round pick.

That's the four 1st round picks I want.
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Sort of but not exactly depending on where the round twos are.


Dolphins if that is who you're speaking about would be at 2.35 and 2.50. To clarify to others, a team with two late second-round picks would just be a higher round two.
I also like the idea of four players in 2022 for the two round ones and the two round twos.. as long as I get two firsts and at least one round 2 in 21 plus a vet.
 
I'm still thinking the deals will look something like this

NYJ

1-2
2-34
Quinnen Williams
2022- 1st

Miami

1-3
1-18
2-34
Xavien Howard

Carolina
1-8
2-40
McCaffery
Burns

2022- 1st
2022- 3rd

Denver

1-9
2-41
Chubb
Fant

2022 - 1st
2023- 1st
 
leebigeztx said:
What is it to disagree upon in terms of the NTC? If Watson were to say I'm only lifting my NTC to these to places, that means the other teams can't bid or be involved correct. If he didn't have the NTC, then more teams would be involved. Thats simple math.
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Ask yourself who has more to lose here ... the team or Watson?

The answer is quite obviously Watson.

The team is going to print money hand over fist no matter who the QB is or what the record is.

Watson doesn't play he doesn't get paid and they can go after him for the bonus money.


Understanding that - The team says you want out , waive the NTC and we'll trade you. Don't waive the NTC and you can either suit up for the Texans or sit out the season - we really don't care which.

That NTC is worthless if Watson wants to play football for another franchise.
 
steelbtexan said:
If DW4 does this I will admire his resolve to give up 37.5 million to prove a point. If he wants to continue to prove that point into 2022 it will cost him around 75 million. I would love to see any athlete show this much resolve. Not gonna ever happen by any athlete.
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It would cost him all that money ..... and the Texans would still own his rights.
 
Everyone here seems to say the Texans will suck next year, and that may be correct, but it won’t be because they traded Watson. Watson was here last year and the team sucked.

Watson is a great run around and pull rabbit from hat QB, but ANY trade the Texans make will include, one way another, a very good QB to replace Watson, that’s the beauty of the trade scenarios. It’s a great rookie or a Very Good current QB, or anything in between, the front office will have to interfere with the pooch to come away with less than an excellent QB in the deal.

Now if OB was doing the deal then that would be possible. But with whosit as GM we can pretty much count on getting that excellent QB to replace the phenom we’re trading away. And a lot of additional talent that we don’t presently have do presently need, desperately.

That’s makes me believe Deshaun wanting out is a gift for the Texans.
 
Norg said:
thats not true Most teams have the #1 and #2 picks 4 years from now they could just give them all up ...if the texans wanna go that route have the picks spread out 4 years from now
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I may be wrong, but I don't think you can trade a pick 4 yrs down the road in the NFL. I think the furthest you can trade is current year + 3 years going forward.
 
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