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Favre Thread - Traded to Jets
- Thread starter ChampionTexan
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Shut the franchise down....this has turned into a circus....enough already !!!
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
Retirement can't even save you from the Madden curse..........seriously this is getting unreal.
HOU-TEX
Ah, Football!
I'm beginning to agree!
The thing I truly don't understand is why would he want to play for another team. The odds are any team that would need his services likely sucks anyway.
IMO, the Vikings and Tampa would really be the only two he might be able to take deep in the PO's.
Blazing Arrow
Work'n da grill
Titans and let Young sit on the bench another season. 
Everyone gets a ring everyone is happy ... less the Texans.
Everyone gets a ring everyone is happy ... less the Texans.
Specnatz
Hall of Fame
Titans and let Young sit on the bench another season.
Everyone gets a ring everyone is happy ... less the Texans.
But I thought VY was a winner and he could do it all by himself.
Actually VY is not a winner he is a
Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
Release for nothing? He is crazy.
If I were the GB brass I would give it to him in another four months - equitable in that he waited that long to change his mind. Moreover, I would put in conditions that the NFC is off-limits and perhaps even look who is in the AFC rotation for who the NFC North plays next year and not allow him to go to any of those teams either. Crazy is, as crazy does.
This is finance, not the warm and fuzzies anymore.
If I were the GB brass I would give it to him in another four months - equitable in that he waited that long to change his mind. Moreover, I would put in conditions that the NFC is off-limits and perhaps even look who is in the AFC rotation for who the NFC North plays next year and not allow him to go to any of those teams either. Crazy is, as crazy does.
This is finance, not the warm and fuzzies anymore.
Blazing Arrow
Work'n da grill
But I thought VY was a winner and he could do it all by himself.
Actually VY is not a winner he is a
Those words have not come out of my mouth. I have said that the team wins with him but never him alone.
Come on you know if he came here you would shat a brick. That would also mean we had back to back Madden covers.
Goldensilence
hipster elite
Chicago would make a lot of sense. If the defense can get healthy again and with the addition of Forte being able to run the ball effectively could get them back to the team they were when they made it to the SB. Brett Favre or ..... Rex Grossman? Not much there.
I feel for GB management. They can't keep dealing with the retirement question every year TC rolls around and rightfully feel the need to move on after what they felt was it. If they do grant him his release it looks very likely not only could he still be in the NFC but a division foe.
ChampionTexan
Hall of Fame
So if it's finance, why do you keep him around until his 8-figure annual salary becomes guaranteed before you release him? Also, how do you propose getting him to agree to those conditions - what leverage do you have?
I like Favre, but this is getting goofy.
And he's tempting fate! I know he probably hated to end his career on an INT, but at least retiring after an NFC Championship game is better than being forced to end your career because of injury.
yeah, that would be good for the confidence of a young QB.
or maybe not...
But I wouldn't care if he was a Titan. Mario would probably find it easier to catch Favre than Young anyway.
And he's tempting fate! I know he probably hated to end his career on an INT, but at least retiring after an NFC Championship game is better than being forced to end your career because of injury.
Titans and let Young sit on the bench another season.
Everyone gets a ring everyone is happy ... less the Texans.
yeah, that would be good for the confidence of a young QB.
or maybe not...But I wouldn't care if he was a Titan. Mario would probably find it easier to catch Favre than Young anyway.
drewmar74
disgruntled
QFT, all three points.
I just can't see him really going anywhere outside of his division where his services would be an upgrade AND he would be playing on a contender. Minnesota, Chicago.... maybe Carolina but do you really think Delhomme is going to sit quietly on the bench?
I dunno. This whole deal is a mess. I wish he'd just sit down and not pull a Johnny Unitas / Joe Namath / Joe Montana.
Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
His 11.4 salary cap number is off the books regardless as of April when he went on the reserve-retirement list. He has no leverage and stated what he wants. The entity who controls his rights now has all the leverage by granting the unconditional release under x, y, z, especially in the court of public opinion.
Favre's agent still has not requested for him to be re-instated with the NFL office. That is why I would act fast and have an equitable offer on the table. If he gets re-instated then the Packers I believe would have to assume the salary cap hit, but then what kind of value is that to any of them in a trade as no one will assume that contract and we will back to where we were a few months ago and Favre goes down in history with a somewhat less shiny reputation.
Drew_Smoke
@Drew_Smoke
If I am Packer fan and they won't let him come back I am FURIOUS!!!
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
What he really just needs to do is just sit his ass down somewhere. i mean damn i'm so sick of watching NFLTA & them asking every single guest if they think favre is coming back..... & then digging for any little source & trying to make a story out of it. "this it what favre's barber had to say......"
Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
Ticket scalping would go though the roof as ticket sales are fine. It would increase our cap and cause disharmony in the locker room.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
That's what i think needs to happen, there's just the little matter of 12 million dollars for a back up Qb issue....
PapaL
Loose Screw
Signing Bonuses to be repaid and such. Hit him in the wallet. The guy has serious issues.
My spideysense says he's going to get hurt this year...
Porky
Hall of Fame
I don't know. I think that's an awfully dangerous strategy. Football fans, even GB fans, are going to want to see this guy play. If GB is seen as being petulant and vindicative, I don't think that turns out well.
Furthermore, if they do release him and he goes on to a Minnesota, a Baltimore et al, plays well and takes them deep into the playoffs, while Rogers crashes and burns, they'll all be tossed out on their ear, and there will be a lynch mob of fans waiting to tear the place down.
By far the safest strategy is to bring Brett back unless they think Rogers is the second coming.
Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
GB wants to win. Have you heard any of the other 52 players being vocal save for a studio appearance on NFL Network? Those are the guys that matter when it is said and done. Did you see that playoff game, I know they have watched it over and over. He looked old, real old. The franchise is ready and positioned to move forward.
Mailman
Pwned by Hakeem
Why would the Packers not welcome him back? They don't make the NFC Championship game last year with Aaron Rodgers at quarterback. I think Favre's indecisiveness reflects poorly on him as a person but not as a player. Unless the Packers are absolutely certain that Rodgers is their QB of the future, the organization would be foolish to push Favre away. The Old Man still has it.
PapaL
Loose Screw
I'm not saying Farve wasn't part of the formula for success last year but they started playing well when the run game turned the corner. Suddenly the D wasn't so tired and the games were shorter.
Part of the problem is that Farve thinks he has to win the game. Until he makes that John Elway to T.D transition they're not going anywhere. Bringing in #12 and telling him to hand and don't do anything stupid is going work. He's going to listen. When was the last time Father Time Farve listened?
ChampionTexan
Hall of Fame
So if you're correct, how can Green Bay prevent the official re-instatement request from putting them back on the hook, because I'm reading if he comes back, they pay him or cut him.
http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=430482
Also, I read that no enforceable conditions can be put on his release
http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/08/packers-cant-limit-favres-options/
I realize both of these comments are Mike Florio, so if he's wrong, I'm wrong, but that's what I'm basing my comments on. I also realize he references McNair in the salary comment, and I'm pretty sure McNair hadn't filed retirement papers before he went to the Ravens, so Florio may be wrong, or it could be that when he files the official paperwork and removes his name from the reserve/retirement list, the Packer's obligation is restored.
PapaL
Loose Screw
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
The Packers played well all season last year. They were winning games before Grant started playing well. Farve had a fantastic season.
Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
Mailman
Pwned by Hakeem
Uh, did you bother carefully reading what you posted?
No doubt about it.
yep, looks like that's the Packers' position, as well.
This is the best strategy for the Packers. They are basically in a no-win situation with regards to pleasing the fans and trying to keep Favre from being sent to a divisional opponent. If he's on the bench, then Rodgers has to step up or the old man is ready to go in at a moment's notice. They just have to pay a helluva' lot for a backup QB.
Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
That smilie does not get used that often, so I thought I would dust him off a bit and let him air out. 
PapaL
Loose Screw
I know it's an '05 article. My point is simple. He's been on a downward spiral since then and most of those points are still valid. What has he done since winning the SB? His post season career has been a disaster. He seems to forget which team he's on.
Mailman
Pwned by Hakeem
If he's been on a downward spiral ever since, explain 2007.
Last year blows that entire piece to shreds.
ETA: It's dishonest to cherry pick his playoff failures when they're offset by his regular season stats.
ChampionTexan
Hall of Fame
Not to mention the Mother of all QB controversies/distractions.
If they actually did this, I think it would be disastrous. Then again, they may just be playing a giant game of chicken (which may not be that bad a strategy given their limited options).
Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
Yeah, my premise is that a move or trial balloon statement had to be made. There is value in Favre, but at what cost to the team and to what cost to Favre dictates that both sides are going to have to give in order to each save face. They know what he wants, an unconditional release.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Tell me what "contending" team is not set for years to come with their starting QB.... I'll give u a hint there's no such team.
& you are seriously underestimating the talent that he was surrounded with last year. yeah he had a great year, but make no mistake, the guys around him are playing a huge role in what he's able to do at his age. Look no further than 2005 & 2006 when J. Walker, A. Green & R. Ferguson/G. Jennings all missed significant time due to injuries. If he's still "got it" as you say, what happened those 2 years? he looked old & mediocore & his stats from those years bear that out.
He's at the point where he needs playmakers around him to put up those type of stats & as everyone knows, those teams already have their guys. Going to Minnesota, Tampa Bay or any of these other teams people say he'd be a good fit with he's going to look like the favre from 05-06 b/c they don't have any more than 1 playmaker on offense for him. That's part of the reason he wants to come back.........b/c he knows he's leaving a team stocked with weapons behind in GB.
GP
Go Texans!
I want Favre to go away.
This stuff is getting old. Every year it's the same thing.
Forget his "skills," his best talent is faking a retirement so that people will fall all over themselves to ask him to come back. At this point, Brett seriously appears to be consumed with seeing how badly people want him.
Go. Away.
And thanks for the memories
This stuff is getting old. Every year it's the same thing.
Forget his "skills," his best talent is faking a retirement so that people will fall all over themselves to ask him to come back. At this point, Brett seriously appears to be consumed with seeing how badly people want him.
Go. Away.
And thanks for the memories
PapaL
Loose Screw
Who cares about regular season when you can't do it when it counts most?
I don't care if Schaub throws 100ints in the regular season IF he leds us to a championship. (Hello Eli)
To me that piece, though dated, shows how he wears down through the regular season and just doesn't have it come playoff time. Which is still evident to this day.
*Ahh Horsecrap! My 5000th post was wasted on this?*
Sal Rosenberg
Rookie
This is terrible
Hervoyel
BUENO!
See now if he'd been a Texan then Bob McNair would have gone ahead and paid him the 11.4 because he's a good guy and a class act. Then the Texans would stew on this for about 24 hours before announcing that they were giving him his unconditional release because nobody called to offer them anything for Favre.
mexican_texan
Furry Tractors
He should just go back to doing movies with Ben Stiller and leave football alone.
Mailman
Pwned by Hakeem
By that criteria, Mark Rypien and Jeff Hostetler were better quarterbacks than Warren Moon.
#1 never brought a championship to Houston, but I wouldn't have wanted anyone else under center.
Second Honeymoon
Hall of Fame
Moon was a choker and never met a big game he couldn't lose. That guy turned the ball over at the absolute worse times and was a poor team leader. Moon threw the ball well and was above average QB but he was basically a loser when it came down to it. He is in the HOF for one reason....being the first star black QB. If Moon wasn't black, he wouldn't have even got a sniff.
Remember that the Oilers only beat the Jets and Seahawks in the playoffs during his entire tenure as Oilers QB. He choked his wife and he choked big games. A choker. That being said, I like the guy and he brought me some good times as well as all the bad times and horrific failures. He is still probably the best QB a Houston professional football team has ever has....sorry Dan the Dago.
PapaL
Loose Screw
Bet you everyone would trade his HOF numbers for either of Rypien or Hostetler's rings.
You can live in the regular if that floats your boat. I don't care about those stats. The only thing that matters is does he perform on the grand stage when it counts? Ever since his lone SB win Brett has done the opposite. I'd be more than happy to play against him in the playoffs; especially with his track record in the last 10 years or so.
GlassHalfFull
Hall of Fame
Hey, I thought you promised to use your 5000th post on me!!!
As far as Farve, I heard he said his family was encouraging to play again this year. I think his wife is probably fed up with him and wants him out of the house. He strikes me as the high maintainence type.
