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Mario Williams

You said it,

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In ESPN's weekly team rankings, the comment on the Texans this week is:

We hate to keep pointing out the improved play of Mario Williams, but his 2-1/2 sacks against the Titans gives him a team-record 8-1/2 this season. That's just a half-sack less than Michael Strahan and a half more than Jason Taylor.
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And ESPN dropped our NFL ranking from 21 to 22 for the week.
 
Mario makes plays that piss you off, thats true. But then he makes plays that make you say wow. He ran down VY from behind. How many DE could do that? I dont think the list is too long.
 
Thorn said:
In ESPN's weekly team rankings, the comment on the Texans this week is:
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Wow, I don't even know if that comment makes me really angry, or hysterical. Are they saying they don't like talking about Williams better play?

EDIT: Thanks for the links Bulluck. You're allright by me
 
We hate to keep pointing out the improved play of Mario Williams, but his 2-1/2 sacks against the Titans gives him a team-record 8-1/2 this season. That's just a half-sack less than Michael Strahan and a half more than Jason Taylor.
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I just noticed that too. Mario clearly is having the best season so far of the "big three".
 
The thing that stood out to me last game was Vince just flopping on the ground once he saw Mario. I expected a pump fake, juke, something. I guess that can be interpreted as a level of respect, or fearing for his life. :)
 
run-david-run said:
7 tackles and 2.5 sacks. Mario has 8.5 of our 20 sacks on the season, great for him, terrible for the rest of the team. Okoye has disapeared after a bright start, and I think we only have 1 sack from a defensive end other then Mario. Weaver is holding us back in the pass rush. Mario needs to stay at LDE permenantly and we need to add a speed rusher at RDE capable of getting pressure. TJ and Okoye could turn out to be a great DT combination, but the final piece needs to be added. The positive part of this equation is that you can find a Mark Anderson type DE in the second day of the draft.
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I told you at the first of the season Okoye would hit the wall. All rookies do. He is a good player who also will only get better with every snap. He will eventully throw his leg over the wall and pull himself over. Just need a six pack of patientence.
Our speed rusher is Kalu.

They have six picks and just had the core of the o-line decimated by injury. Color me sceptical, three of the six picks this draft may be on o-lineman. One guy you haven't seen for two seasons. One guy has a leg shattered in three places... one guy an MCL....and you will still have a whole at center. They may hit a Rb and Corner. I see a speed rusher guy in '08 as an over the top luxuary they cannot afford at the expense of starting over with a new QB again. Not going to happen unless the can find a guy burried on someones practice squad.
 
threetoedpete said:
I told you at the first of the season Okoye would hit the wall. All rookies do. He is a good player who also will only get better with every snap. He will eventully throw his leg over the wall and pull himself over. Just need a six pack of patientence.
Our speed rusher is Kalu.

They have six picks and just had the core of the o-line decimated by injury. Color me sceptical, three of the six picks this draft may be on o-lineman. One guy you haven't seen for two seasons. One guy has a leg shattered in three places... one guy an MCL....and you will still have a whole at center. They may hit a Rb and Corner. I see a speed rusher guy in '08 as an over the top luxuary they cannot afford at the expense of starting over with a new QB again. Not going to happen unless the can find a guy burried on someones practice squad.
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The Texans may address their need for a speedy edge-rushing DE in Free Agency depending on what will be available and how the decide to fill out their Salary Cap.

Personally, I would love to see the Texans try and fill some of the wholes on the Defensive side with Free Agents like CB Asante Samuel, and RDE Terrell Suggs. Then they can concentrate on the Offensive side of the ball in the draft, particularly O-Line.
 
BattleRedToro said:
The Texans may address their need for a speedy edge-rushing DE in Free Agency depending on what will be available and how the decide to fill out their Salary Cap.

Personally, I would love to see the Texans try and fill some of the wholes on the Defensive side with Free Agents like CB Asante Samuel, and RDE Terrell Suggs. Then they can concentrate on the Offensive side of the ball in the draft, particularly O-Line.
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No way they touch that cry baby. He isnt the kind of player we go after. He will make some good plays, then he will get you a yellow hanky and 15 yards the easy way. That is one of the most undiscaplined teams I have ever seen. Granted, he has scary good talent, but not so good hes worth 15 yrd penalties because he throws a hissy fit.
 
BattleRedToro said:
Personally, I would love to see the Texans try and fill some of the wholes on the Defensive side with Free Agents like CB Asante Samuel, and RDE Terrell Suggs. Then they can concentrate on the Offensive side of the ball in the draft, particularly O-Line.
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Samuels is trying to get paaaaiiiiiiiiiid when he leaves the Patriots. I'd rather pass on him, and get somebody like Nnamdi Asomugha (who has a player option coming up this year). After him, if we're playing fantasy free agent signings then I'd go for some talent in the OLB department with Lance Briggs who will be pricey, but I think will be well worth it. The Bears are trying desperately to get him to sign, and he's not having it.

But yeah, those two guys you mention, I think are just not going to be worth the money that they will want, and I think the two guys I listed would be better FA options if we are trying to make a huge splash.
 
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threetoedpete said:
They have six picks and just had the core of the o-line decimated by injury. Color me sceptical, three of the six picks this draft may be on o-lineman.
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Promise? :shades:

I wouldn't complain.

BattleRedToro said:
The Texans may address their need for a speedy edge-rushing DE in Free Agency depending on what will be available and how the decide to fill out their Salary Cap.

Personally, I would love to see the Texans try and fill some of the wholes on the Defensive side with Free Agents like CB Asante Samuel, and RDE Terrell Suggs. Then they can concentrate on the Offensive side of the ball in the draft, particularly O-Line.
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I'd love to add Samuel to the squad, but I think he's going to ask too much for us to be a serious option. Although with D.Rob's future uncertain, especially with regards to how he will be when he returns, a shut-down CB would be something we severely need. With Bennet on the other side, maybe Dunta becomes a safety? Just food for thought on my part.
 
Double Barrel said:
Promise? :shades:

I wouldn't complain.



I'd love to add Samuel to the squad, but I think he's going to ask too much for us to be a serious option. Although with D.Rob's future uncertain, especially with regards to how he will be when he returns, a shut-down CB would be something we severely need. With Bennet on the other side, maybe Dunta becomes a safety? Just food for thought on my part.
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Either way, we need to prepare for Dunta to either not be able to play or not continue at CB. We just have to see it for the worst it could be. We can't go into next season with Bennett and Von Hutchins starting.
 
TexansSeminole said:
Either way, we need to prepare for Dunta to either not be able to play or not continue at CB. We just have to see it for the worst it could be. We can't go into next season with Bennett and Von Hutchins starting.
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Bennett starting I'm okay with, but Von Hutchins is definitely backup material. He's a decent tackler but he just really doesn't seem adept at putting close coverage on wideouts.
 
b0ng said:
Bennett starting I'm okay with, but Von Hutchins is definitely backup material. He's a decent tackler but he just really doesn't seem adept at putting close coverage on wideouts.
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Bennett starting is ok, but he is going to look ALOT worse if the corner on the other side can't hold his own.

The thing about D-Rob is that during most games, no matter who was starting on the other side, he held his side pretty damn well. Granted, there were games where he didn't but most of the time he did. Can Bennett do that? He is going to make his growing mistakes, and we don't have anyone to start on the other side and help him through that. If anything, they are going to make it harder on him.
 
TexansSeminole said:
Bennett starting is ok, but he is going to look ALOT worse if the corner on the other side can't hold his own.

The thing about D-Rob is that during most games, no matter who was starting on the other side, he held his side pretty damn well. Granted, there were games where he didn't but most of the time he did. Can Bennett do that? He is going to make his growing mistakes, and we don't have anyone to start on the other side and help him through that. If anything, they are going to make it harder on him.
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Thats not entirely true. I think not starting with Drob in the side is what is helping Bennet right now. Since he and Hutchins are complete unknowns, neither one is being particularly targeted over the other. If Drob was on the field, the other guy would be getting thrown on a bunch. Really, being the #2 corner on a team with a good/great #1 corner is a lot harder then being the #1 corner on out team right now.
 
BigBull17 said:
No way they touch that cry baby. He isnt the kind of player we go after. He will make some good plays, then he will get you a yellow hanky and 15 yards the easy way. That is one of the most undiscaplined teams I have ever seen. Granted, he has scary good talent, but not so good hes worth 15 yrd penalties because he throws a hissy fit.
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You have unfairly lumped Suggs in with his teammates. It is true that he complained to reporters after the game about the officiating, so you can call him a crybaby for that if you want, but if you go back and look you will see that it was Suggs that was holding Bart Scott back after he threw the referees flag into the crowd. He was trying to calm his teammate down and prevent him from doing anything worse, as Scott was seemingly in an uncontrolled rage.
 
b0ng said:
Samuels is trying to get paaaaiiiiiiiiiid when he leaves the Patriots. I'd rather pass on him, and get somebody like Nnamdi Asomugha (who has a player option coming up this year). After him, if we're playing fantasy free agent signings then I'd go for some talent in the OLB department with Lance Briggs who will be pricey, but I think will be well worth it. The Bears are trying desperately to get him to sign, and he's not having it.

But yeah, those two guys you mention, I think are just not going to be worth the money that they will want, and I think the two guys I listed would be better FA options if we are trying to make a huge splash.
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I thought about Briggs as well. I only mentioned Samuels because he has probably the greatest name recognition of any of the available CB's. I'm not familiar with Asomugha, but if he can get the job done then I'd have no problem with him being picked up.

I'm not sure how much Suggs will get in his next contract as he is having somewhat of a down year in this, the final year of his contract.
 
BattleRedToro said:
You have unfairly lumped Suggs in with his teammates. It is true that he complained to reporters after the game about the officiating, so you can call him a crybaby for that if you want, but if you go back and look you will see that it was Suggs that was holding Bart Scott back after he threw the referees flag into the crowd. He was trying to calm his teammate down and prevent him from doing anything worse, as Scott was seemingly in an uncontrolled rage.
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Ive seen Suggs do some of the bone head stuff as well, Scott just blw up more recently. He has done it prior to this year, so maybe he has matured a little, but hes done that garbage befor. He was ejected from a game for bumping a ref if I remember correctly. Ill have to look into it. All I know is he has done some of that jerky stuff befor, like late hits and what not. Just my opinion, so disreguard if you want. Not saying he wouldnt make a great end opposite Mario, but whatever.
 
Glad to see the league finally starting to acknowledge Mario, and actually saying the Texans made the better choice.

With Reggie starting to be called a bust, and Mario tied for 2nd in the AFC in sacks even ESPN is going to have to say something good about him at some point. :d:
 
run-david-run said:
Thats not entirely true. I think not starting with Drob in the side is what is helping Bennet right now. Since he and Hutchins are complete unknowns, neither one is being particularly targeted over the other. If Drob was on the field, the other guy would be getting thrown on a bunch. Really, being the #2 corner on a team with a good/great #1 corner is a lot harder then being the #1 corner on out team right now.
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Hutchins is not a complete unknown. Has played in the league for a few years now. He also played safety for us earlier in the season. There is plenty of game tape on him.
 
BigBull17 said:
Ive seen Suggs do some of the bone head stuff as well, Scott just blw up more recently. He has done it prior to this year, so maybe he has matured a little, but hes done that garbage befor. He was ejected from a game for bumping a ref if I remember correctly. Ill have to look into it. All I know is he has done some of that jerky stuff befor, like late hits and what not. Just my opinion, so disreguard if you want. Not saying he wouldnt make a great end opposite Mario, but whatever.
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Overall, from what I have seen from the guy, he doesn't do enough bone head things to worry about. I know he plays with a motor on every down. He holds the NCAA single season sack record, or wait maybe it is the NCAA career sack record.

BattleRedToro said:
I thought about Briggs as well. I only mentioned Samuels because he has probably the greatest name recognition of any of the available CB's. I'm not familiar with Asomugha, but if he can get the job done then I'd have no problem with him being picked up.

I'm not sure how much Suggs will get in his next contract as he is having somewhat of a down year in this, the final year of his contract.
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Asomugha is a very fast player. I think he was drafted something like 3 or 4 years ago. I think he would be a good addition for us if the Raiders decide not to pay him good money. I think he is going back to Oakland after the year.
 
ok... i know il take hell for this and if im honest i dont want it to happen really but.. what if we didnt resign dunta and paid samuel or asomogha this yr with his money so to speak
 
Maddict5 said:
ok... i know il take hell for this and if im honest i dont want it to happen really but.. what if we didnt resign dunta and paid samuel or asomogha this yr with his money so to speak
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Dunta is signed through the 2008 season and his cap hit next year is only $2.2. No need to make a decision on resigning him until you see how he recovers next season and his cap hit isn't big enough to prevent a move on Samuel or Asomougha.
 
thats what i mean: he'll be a FA next yr so if he were healthy we would be trying to re-sign him to a big contract this off-season... but if it doesnt look like he'll play next yr, would we be better off not chancing a full recovery on the injury again and pay samuel or somebody else instead? basically i just dont want another DD situation
 
Assomugha is an excellent young cover corner. The announcers last week said he'd only been thrown at 21 times this season!!! If he were on our team I would expect Bennett to get tested a lot which would result in some takeaways for us if Bennett continues to be a ballhawk for us.
 
Maddict5 said:
thats what i mean: he'll be a FA next yr so if he were healthy we would be trying to re-sign him to a big contract this off-season... but if it doesnt look like he'll play next yr, would we be better off not chancing a full recovery on the injury again and pay samuel or somebody else instead? basically i just dont want another DD situation
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No he will not be a free agent next year he is signed through next year. However going after someone either in FA or the draft is a must IMO
 
Good article. I'm glad to see Mario getting his reps from the media. For a team that rarely blitzes, his sack total is pretty good.
 
Most likely, Adrian Peterson, Brian Westbrook and Marion Barber will represent the NFC in the Pro Bowl in Hawaii.

That's OK. Maybe Mario Williams can send Bush a postcard.
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OOOOHHHH Snap!
 
Oh all that is BS, three of Mario's sacks were cheap and he sucks. He's just a workout warior. He's not fast enough to be a DE. He needs to go inside to DT. We need to move Mario inide and redraft a true DE.
 
threetoedpete said:
Oh all that is BS, three of Mario's sacks were cheap and he sucks. He' just a workout warior. He's not fast enough to be a DE he needs to go inside to DT. We need to move Mario inide and redraft a true DE.
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Do you ever listen to yourself before you speak/type, or does the fact that we are certain you are smarted then everybody else blind you to the lunacy that spews from your fingers?

Just asking?
 
Hoth-Boy said:
Do you ever listen to yourself before you speak/type, or does the fact that we are certain you are smarted then everybody else blind you to the lunacy that spews from your fingers?

Just asking?
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I'm quite certain he was being sarcastic.
 
allstars said:
I'm quite certain he was being sarcastic.
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yep. Got beat over the head with that sheet all last winter. Getting my digs back for sure. Don't see many "I was dead wrong about Mario Pete" on the board. And you won't either. The only reason they aren't banging and rippin' on Okoye is I called the wall back in august. Throw the chubby leg over and climb Omobi climb baby !

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter?season=2007&week=REG14&game_id=29392


Key matchup
Texans DE Mario Williams vs. Buccaneers OT Donald Penn. Since taking the place of injured veteran Luke Petitgout, Penn has quietly done an outstanding job for the Bucs. Tampa Bay has given up only 22 sacks this year (fewer than two per game) and it ranks fifth in the NFL in yards per carry, despite being without its top two rushers for most of the season. Penn's strong play has a lot to do with those achievements. In Williams, he faces the first overall pick from the 2006 NFL Draft. After a rookie season in which he received a fair deal of criticism for not matching the highlight-reel plays made by the second and third picks of that draft, Reggie Bush and Vince Young, he is now the one producing at the highest level. Williams ranks 15th in the NFL with eight sacks and has made his own share of eye-catching plays this season. If he can dominate Penn and add some more highlights to his portfolio, the Bucs' offense could be in trouble.
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threetoedpete said:
yep. Got beat over the head with that sheet all last winter. Getting my digs back for sure. Don't see many "I was dead wrong about Mario Pete" on the board. And you won't either. The only reason they aren't bnging and rippin'on Okoye is I called the wall back in august. Throw the chubby leg over and climb Omobi climb baby !
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I withdraw my comments due the lack of preception of the sarcastic nature of the comment. My apologies.

In 06, when we were in the trhows of the Reggie v VY debate, I was firmly on the Reggie Bush side. I stayed away from the boards the Friday night before the draft, and was very cautios of the call for several months, but since Mario is a Texans and the other two or not I moved my support behind Mario and never looked back.

I have on several occasions stated that I am glad that the Texans passed on Reggie since then, and I'll do it again I'm sure.

On a side note the sarcasm smilie works wonders, see below.

Reggie Bush is g_d. :sarcasm:
 
Hoth-Boy said:
In 06, when we were in the trhows of the Reggie v VY debate, I was firmly on the Reggie Bush side. I stayed away from the boards the Friday night before the draft, and was very cautios of the call for several months, but since Mario is a Texans and the other two or not I moved my support behind Mario and never looked back.

I have on several occasions stated that I am glad that the Texans passed on Reggie since then, and I'll do it again I'm sure.
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For you it was Reggie, for me it was Vince Young. But all the emotion put aside, this debate about the threesome won't end (and shouldn't end) until all three of them have been in the league another couple of years.

And like I've said before, it's a moot point anyway. Mario is here, and he ain't going nowhere and Vince and Bush aren't coming here except while wearing another uniform. It is still my contention that Mario and Vince will prove themselves worthy, Bush will not.

But hey, if I could predict the future I'd be a stock broker.
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HJam72 said:
I don't know. We might get Bush for a 6th round pick four years from now or something.
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LOL. Bushie would make an good special teams player if picked up on the cheap. He'd be a kick off/punt returner and maybe a 4th wide out.
 
http://www.buccaneers.com/news/newsdetail.aspx?newsid=6178

Bucs official homepage "know your opponent"

My head was spinning last year with everything that was going on and me just moving around a lot more last year trying to learn a lot more positions. This year I’m just a lot more comfortable.”

Williams has quickly emerged as a dominant force on the Texans’ line, accounting for nearly half of the team’s 19 sacks on the year. The key, he says, is technique. While pure talent may have allowed him to outclass most of the offensive linemen he faced in high school and college, he’s now squaring off against the biggest, best, and brightest players in the world, and it’ll take a little more than natural ability to beat them.

“Technique is a big thing, especially when you’re facing guys that have been in the league for a long time, or even guys that have just been in the league a few years and know the ropes,” Williams said. “They know the little tricks of the trade that can get you off balance, which is what’s very important in the NFL – the balance, the technique. But pretty much it all comes down to your recognition and just being comfortable.”

The Texans selected another lineman with their top pick in the 2007 NFL Draft – defensive tackle Amobi Okoye – and the Buccaneers also picked up a young lineman of their own in defensive end Gaines Adams. Now in his second year in the league, Williams can sympathize as he watches – and in Adams’ case, prepares to play against – some other highly-touted rookie linemen enduring the same gauntlet that Williams survived just a season ago.
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Hoth-Boy said:
In 06, when we were in the trhows of the Reggie v VY debate, I was firmly on the Reggie Bush side. I stayed away from the boards the Friday night before the draft,
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coward :sarcasm:


Hoth-Boy said:
On a side note the sarcasm smilie works wonders, see below.

Reggie Bush is g_d. :sarcasm:
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yes it does lol:

back on topic........

the real beauty (speaking of real where's he been?) of Mario Williams is that he can be the best of both worlds. meaning he can be the very best LDE in a 4-3 or the very best RDT in a 3-4. it kinda gives the Texans some options should they change schemes or continue the path currently on :swing:
 
beerlover said:
...or the very best RDT in a 3-4. it kinda gives the Texans some options should they change schemes...
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Why would they change schemes? Okoye would be a bad fit for a 3-4. The LBs are thin already, and there are no edge rushers to play OLB. Switching to the 3-4 is the last thing I would expect the Texans to do.
 
Mario has really come on, I love that Kubiak says he has fallen in love with the game and it shows as he attacks it with a passion.

I hope he gets a Probowl ticket.... that would be awesome.
 
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