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Stand for the Star Spangled Banner
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hollywood_texan
All Pro
My little saying is:
"If you don't earn it, you don't respect it."
Agreed, but there seems to be inherent flaws in anything and everything regarding human beings. This issue with this lady is an inherent flaw in a free society. Changing it though, we go against our free society...
Life many times is a contradiction in terms...
dalemurphy
Hall of Fame
Why is it that the people that are most judgmental tend to also be the ones with so little intellectual curiosity?"
Some advice for the rednecks... you have to look at things from other perspectives in order to understand them. Do you realize that other perspectives do exist in the universe? What must it be like to walk through life so unincumbered with thought and consideration, assuming you stumbled squarely in the middle of "truth", without ever searching for it.
Some advice for the rednecks... you have to look at things from other perspectives in order to understand them. Do you realize that other perspectives do exist in the universe? What must it be like to walk through life so unincumbered with thought and consideration, assuming you stumbled squarely in the middle of "truth", without ever searching for it.
ActualTexan
upright biped
"Judgemental" Thats a good word. Its like stooping to call someone an incurious redneck if they've been so bold as to have formed an opinion about the difficult, complex, and divisive act of showing a little respect for the people who have died so that you can be disrespectful.
A guy gets shoved to the front line at Manassas, or lands in the front of the landing craft on a French beach. And, just before the bullets start to fly you can jump in front of him and tell him not to worry - in just a few years people who will live twice his age on this day will be able to ignore him with intellectual ease... and they'll attack anyone who doesn't ignore him and as a Red White and Blue lunatic, a redneck, who just doesn't understand the finer points of an argument.
Do you have any advice for those of us who are not rednecks who hold that opinion? Speaking of judgmental...
Somewhere in the world it was lost on people that it is ok to be judgmental. That its part of what we do as human beings. That you make judgments about every person you interact with. Whether it is to decide they are rednecks, unpatriotic, unamerican or any other opinion you form, be it positive or negative.
Then again I suppose you're right. The world is much easier if you refuse to take a stand. I can respect those that disagree with me. Even if they disgust me. Even if they have an opinion which I find vile. I can at least respect the fact that they take a stand. But those who hide behind "everyone has a right to their opinion, and there is no absolute truth." Way to go. Maybe everyone will be your friend. Maybe you will go through an entire day without offending someone. If that is your goal, to not provoke thought, to not debate... well then I don't think you should be throwing names out their either. I don't suppose you too the time to look at the "redneck's" side of the story. No you just jumped in and assumed that you are far intellectually superior to those who have an opinion that others might find offensive.
Some advice for the pseudo-intellectuals. Perhaps you should evaluate your statements for continuity before you post them. I don't know if this means get your editor in chief involved, your secretary or maybe even have your 3rd grader read it to see if they think it makes sense. But to sit there and call someone who has an opinion and doesn't back down a redneck.. hmm... ever looked up the definition of redneck?
Mike
Well, she can do whatever she wants for me. I believe in the first ammendment but I also remember there is a second, third, forth and so on. A little aside, but isn't it funny how so many people can't hammer the first ammendment home hard enough but don't want to belive in the second!!! ;-)
All I know is that as soon as I become an American Citizen I'll be showing how much I love and respect this nation whenever I can. I have known the words to the national anthem for over 12 years and can't wait to sing along and not feel weird because I'm not acually a Citizen yet. Oh, and if someone happens to mention my capitalization of the word citizen, I'm doing it because I can't wait to be a CITIZEN OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!!!!!!
All I know is that as soon as I become an American Citizen I'll be showing how much I love and respect this nation whenever I can. I have known the words to the national anthem for over 12 years and can't wait to sing along and not feel weird because I'm not acually a Citizen yet. Oh, and if someone happens to mention my capitalization of the word citizen, I'm doing it because I can't wait to be a CITIZEN OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!!!!!!
Well congratulations when you do become a citizen. This "redneck" welcomes all who want to come here and do it legally... And thank you. I'm assuming that other than being a Texans fan, you are also a productive member of society... and thank you for that too.
Mike
hookinreds
Veteran
barrett
All Pro
If you don't think that sitting down during the national anthem in a football stadium deep in the heart of texas isn't taking a stand then you're perhaps too selfish to see another side. certianly not seeing my "stance". but then again i'm part of the "baby killer sign group" or something... or perhaps you'd just be assuming that i'm someone from another country because surely no american would possibly deviate from the standard practices of traditional public patriotism. no true american would have an opinion that differs from yours or anyone else apart of mass opinion. after all, you are a true american and your opinions or the ones that were taught to you are the only ones that matter.
let me clarify myself by saying the "baby killer" group are that I pass every friday who hold up signs and call me a baby killer because I'm in the military. When I say you're in that group.. to me its the same thing.. Its disrespectful to what I do.. and more importantly what those who have paid the ultimate sacrifice have done.
Secondly.. it is offensive to me... that you don't stand. It disgusts me. The reason doesn't really matter. Especially if you sit there and tell me "I'm not going to tell you why".
I'm not making any assumptions... but I am sure it disgusts me. The worst thing about the whole situation is that you ARE American. That's the most offensive thing to me.
And no it has nothing to do with agreeing me. But hiding behind "well I'm not telling" that's just cowardly. At least I expose my opinions out there to be criticized.
And no... if you don't explain your rational... you're not really taking a stand.
Mike
ActualTexan
upright biped
If you don't think that sitting down during the national anthem in a football stadium deep in the heart of texas isn't taking a stand then you're perhaps too selfish to see another side."
Huh?
Huh?
dalemurphy
Hall of Fame
Does your informed opinion allow for the possibility that a person could decide to not stand at a football game for an anthem and yet still somehow respect people who have fought in WWII?
Somehow, I know you see that those two things are inexplicably intertwined. Again, since you interpret that act of standing for the flag to be a sign of respect for those that fought in a war, you assume the inverse for those that don't stand. However, there is a whole range of thought beyond what's going on in your head.
ActualTexan
upright biped
Oh sure. Now I get it. You are like a three-toed bear, or a two-headed snake - when it comes to showing respect you just wanna be different. Or incognito, or complex, or something. Makes perfect sense.
Thanks for the explanation.
Agreed, that is easy. The hard part would be someone sitting during the anthem and have to endure the scolding they would receive from people around them. Kinda like those Christian groups I mentioned during Nazi Germany that were thrown into camps for simply refusing to say the greeting of Heil Hitler. It would have been easier for them to simply just say the stupid greeting along with everyone else.
This is why I think most people that just sit during the anthem have to have some good reason (at least in their minds) and it may not always be that they just don't like the US or are being disrespectful. It takes some cojones to just sit there.
The point I have been making all along is that this is free country and it should be that way for all as long as they are not breaking the law. Some times I think this country is only truely free for those that go with the flow of the majority or the PC way of doing things.
Let me clarify to everyone, that I personally don't agree with someone just sitting during the national anthem. However I feel it is their right to do so. I am just playing the advocate here.
Now let's start another topic. What does everyone think of prayer in school or before high school football games? (stoking the flames)
I AM A CHRISTIAN! I THINK THAT PRAYER IN SCHOOL AND BEFORE HIGH SCHOOL FOOTBALL GAMES SHOULD BE DONE! WHO DOES IT REALLY HURT NOT TO PRAY? GOOD GRIEF, IS A MINUTE GOING TO KILL YOU?
On the otherhand, even though I do have strong Christian values, I respect the RIGHT of those with a different view to exercise their RIGHT. I truly do place God before Country, yet I will not make efforts to demand compliance from those around me because I respect my God.
dalemurphy
Hall of Fame
My guess is that I do things to show respect that you do not. It's not that it is difficult to stand, it is that some people choose not to for reasons beyond a show of disrespect. Why is that so difficult for even a simple-minded person to comprehend?
dalemurphy
Hall of Fame
First, I do stand for the anthem. Second, I understand someone exercising their conscience in ways that may not fit my view of the world. I happen to know a couple of people who don't stand for the anthem, Barrett for instance, and trust me- Barrett aint that complex!
The only way to be offended by someone sitting is to chose to be. It's not like someone sitting down is attempting to diminish your ability to believe or practice your beliefs.
jgl35
Rookie
To me, all of this just comes down to something that has left this world years ago. It was called good manners.
I personnaly could care less if people sit, stand, or stand on their head, that is on them. You are free to do what you want. What the country is all about.
With me, I have stood and shown respect for the music of the US., Canada, The U.K., Aust., New Zealand, and what use to be the Republic of Viet Nam, the last being a place I neither liked of respected during me time there.
It, to me at least, is just good manners to do so.
I personnaly could care less if people sit, stand, or stand on their head, that is on them. You are free to do what you want. What the country is all about.
With me, I have stood and shown respect for the music of the US., Canada, The U.K., Aust., New Zealand, and what use to be the Republic of Viet Nam, the last being a place I neither liked of respected during me time there.
It, to me at least, is just good manners to do so.
jgl35
Rookie
Thank you for proving my point.
Txn_in_FL
All Pro
Why is it a shocker? When MLB games are played in Toronto they play the National Anthem. When Toronto plays elsewhere I believe they play O' Canada. Any event that I took part in while I lived in Japan they played both ours and Japan's Anthem.
Again, it's called respect.
TD
Super Bowl Mascot
None of those are about the visitors kicking the host countries ass in a war.
Giant Tiger
Veteran
Exactly. Sad thing is-the ones who don't stand are the ones who were given the gift of freedom by the sacrifices of others. I have a 5 year old who asked me why people sell poppies this time of year. I hope I can teach him the same values my father taught me.
On the subject of manners, the biggest change in recent years deal with manners. Seems everything is now challenged, whether it's respect for teachers, police officers, pastors, almost any adult figure, the president, you name it, Americans challenge it. So is it really any wonder that you have those choosing to remain seated during the national anthem?