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Draft Priorities

Hoth-Boy said:
Unless we tradedown I see it as:

Round 1: BPA, except QB
Round 3: BPA, except QB
Round 4: BPA, except QB
Round 5: BPA, except QB
Round 6: BPA, except QB
Round 7: BPA, except QB

I would think that the last 2 weeks would have shown us that we are not ready to draft for need.
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Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner.
 
My OT to Watch list is growing. (not in any order)

To keep you guys quite I'll add Baker and Long, but they will be gone before our pick, IMO.

Michael Oher 6-6 322 Ole Miss
Jeff Otah 6-6 340 Pitt
Andrew Gardner 6-6 300 Georgia Tech (Jr)
Chris Williams 6-6 320 Vanderbilt
Phil Loadholt 6-7 350 Oklahoma (Jr, JC Xfer)
Brandon Rodd 6-4 303 Arizona St
Ryan Clady 6-6 319 Boise St.
Kirk Barton 6-6 300 Ohio St.

Looking at all the OT prospects makes me think we can find a good one, and if we need to go for one in the 1st there will be guys available that look to be worth the pick.
 
For the 1st:

Steve Slaton
Johnathan Stewart
Kenny Phillips
Antoine Cason
Justin King

One of these guys will be there when we pick. I'd put Sam Baker, who would be the perfect ZBS LT, but he will be long gone.
 
Hoth-Boy said:
Unless we tradedown I see it as:

Round 1: BPA, except QB
Round 3: BPA, except QB
Round 4: BPA, except QB
Round 5: BPA, except QB
Round 6: BPA, except QB
Round 7: BPA, except QB

I would think that the last 2 weeks would have shown us that we are not ready to draft for need.
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i think we're pretty set at wr also
 
A talented pick up on either side of the ball is a talent of course. I think we have to look at what makes the team stronger not just one area. For at least three years, fans have moaned about our lack of talent at DB not OLB. Schaub will probably not be a pro bowl QB, but we will not draft a QB in the first five rounds. We have to plug some glaring holes.

We can add a hall of fame type OLB in 2008 and still not have a playoff team. A good not great #2 CB or a very good RB can win games the first year on team.
 
KJ3 said:
haha, dude, go for it. try and explain it to him and the others who think that drafting the highest rated player available is the best thing to do. they don't look to fill holes, or balance any part of the team out. if they have a wr graded slightly higher than a fs they'll take the wr even though we are set there and desperately need help in the defensive secondary. silly, isn't it?

here's to drafting another d'lineman in the 1st for 08! :beer:
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Whatever. There are plenty of examples in the NFL were a team drafted for need and ignored the BPA, and quess what it usually fails in a manner of epic proportions. Look at the string of CB reaches/busts over the years, same at QB, same at OT, etc.

If you think the Texans are good enough to take that chance and not have it hurt the team in the long run then you need to put the Kool-Aid down and step back from the bar.

FWIW, the draft is not the only way, nor neccesarily the best, to address issues on your roster.
 
I'm thinking we either go RB or LB in the first round next year...

Probably LB....
 
RB: Jonathan Stewart
LT: Sam Baker/Barry Richardson
FS: Reggie Smith

not in any particular order.

Those are my top guys starting out...

And BPA is the way to go w/ considering need, IMO. If a WR grades slightly higher than a FS...you take the FS. If a WR grades THAT much more than a FS...you have to take the WR. Of course there are all the other positions to consider. But picking someone b/c the are "BPA" being .01 points higher than a need position is ridiculous and I don't think most GM's would do that...I hope . lol
 
Hoth-Boy said:
Whatever. There are plenty of examples in the NFL were a team drafted for need and ignored the BPA, and quess what it usually fails in a manner of epic proportions. Look at the string of CB reaches/busts over the years, same at QB, same at OT, etc.

If you think the Texans are good enough to take that chance and not have it hurt the team in the long run then you need to put the Kool-Aid down and step back from the bar.

FWIW, the draft is not the only way, nor neccesarily the best, to address issues on your roster.
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Can you give examples of players busting at every position? I would think so. Not a very valid arguement. The point is not to ignore a very good prospect to draft a much riskier prospect. Our linebacker core is good in my opinion and Diles appears to be a steal for a 7th rounder. We need to evaluate our strength at each position and decide what we need to focus on and what can wait until a later round or another year.

I doubt many experts and I'm definitely not one of those, would say LB is a glaring weakness for Texans. Are there players that stand above all others that Smith will select? Okoye is an example. I would give up a very good OLB for a good CB or FS in 2008. Hopefully, Bennett will be our starter in 2008 and we can use draft and FA to address other needs, not wants.
 
badboy said:
I doubt many experts and I'm definitely not one of those, would say LB is a glaring weakness for Texans.
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Many experts said it was the O-line that stagnated our offense while it was Carr who's talents were being hidden by the terrible play up front.


Demeco is the Only LB that we have that really "goes and makes plays"...


Our Outisde LB's are not good blitzers, they aren't special against the run and all of them (including Demeco) have problems against the pass...

A lot of people point to our DB's when a completion is made, but sometimes it seems as if our LB's get a free pass in that department...Look at how the Bears or Steelers LB's are involved in passing plays while our LB's are virtually invisible..

If a dominant defense is what we are trying to achieve, we need better LB play...The best defenses normally have really good LB's...
 
badboy said:
Can you give examples of players busting at every position? I would think so. Not a very valid arguement. The point is not to ignore a very good prospect to draft a much riskier prospect. Our linebacker core is good in my opinion and Diles appears to be a steal for a 7th rounder. We need to evaluate our strength at each position and decide what we need to focus on and what can wait until a later round or another year.

I doubt many experts and I'm definitely not one of those, would say LB is a glaring weakness for Texans. Are there players that stand above all others that Smith will select? Okoye is an example. I would give up a very good OLB for a good CB or FS in 2008. Hopefully, Bennett will be our starter in 2008 and we can use draft and FA to address other needs, not wants.
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There are plenty of draft picks when the second the pick is made yo know the team is addressing s specific need and ignoring better talent on the board. It happens every year, and there have alreeady been examples given earlier in this thread. That is not to say that BPA picks are always perfect. But when your team is still as low as telent as the Texans are I don't think you have the luxury of drafting on need alone.

I would say that OLB is an issue. Neither Clark nor Greenwood could be said to posses good pass rush skills. Clark is a liability in coverage, and Greenwood can be pushed out of the play fairly easily. I think if we added a stud OLB the defense would get even better, more so thenif we added a stud FS. I'm a firm believer that getting to the QB is the primary focus of the defense.
 
Hoth-Boy said:
I would say that OLB is an issue. Neither Clark nor Greenwood could be said to posses good pass rush skills. Clark is a liability in coverage, and Greenwood can be pushed out of the play fairly easily. I think if we added a stud OLB the defense would get even better, more so thenif we added a stud FS. I'm a firm believer that getting to the QB is the primary focus of the defense.
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4-3 OLB's don't tend to be "pass rushers". 3-4 OLB's HAVE to have pass rushing skills. We could use a good "blitzer" at the OLB though. For instance, DeMeco is a good "blitzer" but isn't a good "pass rusher". When DeMeco can come in and use his speed and his body control he is great on the blitz when the Texans overload or when he tries to shoot a gap. When he has to use pass rushing moves or take on a Guard or Tackle in short space he gets covered up and has a hard time getting off the block is not a good pass rusher.
 
I will trust Rick Smith regardless but if you use the bpa theory & there is a consensus (among NFL teams) pick available when the Texans select & Rick is able to parlay that proverbial bpa into extra picks, at least a 2nd rounder (that we don't have right now) would make it palpable to take a prospect who fits need/highest ranked @ his position on the board later in the 1st/early 2nd (watching winning teams pick up exceptional NFL talent with long term results seems more accurate late 1st rd/early 2nd than even top 10 picks) = excellent value & less objectional to those screaming for the bpa :cool:
 
Vinny said:
4-3 OLB's don't tend to be "pass rushers". 3-4 OLB's HAVE to have pass rushing skills. We could use a good "blitzer" at the OLB though. For instance, DeMeco is a good "blitzer" but isn't a good "pass rusher". When DeMeco can come in and use his speed and his body control he is great on the blitz when the Texans overload or when he tries to shoot a gap. When he has to use pass rushing moves or take on a Guard or Tackle in short space he gets covered up and has a hard time getting off the block is not a good pass rusher.
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Exactly. How often are our LBs sent on a blitz? My understanding is our Will and Sam LB are to clog up middle focusing on stopping the run and occasionally defending on a short pass. Our Mike is a blitzer. We seem to focus on the run and pray a lot that DB won't give up TD. I am cool with that but want to strengthen the DBs. It would be sweet if that could come from players on team such as Harrison, Bennett, etc. White may develop at center. Brandon Frye might split time with Salaam next year and resolve the LT. Ahmad Green rushes for 1,000 more with no time missed rest of season. Jon Abbate, Chris Taylor and Darius Walker are the new guys in 08 allowing Dayne, Cook and Gado to take their talents elsewhere.
 
Q: What is the difference between playing strong-side, vs. weak-side, linebacker?

Buchsbaum: The strong-side linebacker is over the tight end, and in most defensive schemes he’s got to control the tight end. The weak-side linebacker in a lot of schemes is free to roam and go to the ball and has more coverage responsibilities on backs.

Q: How do the roles of an outside linebacker differ in a 3-4 vs. a 4-3 defense?

Buchsbaum: It depends how you play it, but in a 3-4 very often one of the players is more like a defensive end, and at times both are more like defensive ends than outside linebackers, and they do a lot more rushing.

Q: What are the differences in general between the 4-3 and the 3-4 defense?

Buchsbaum: The basic thing is how many players you have down (in a three-point stance). A 4-3 is generally considered better for rushing the passer, but you need complete linebackers and four good linemen. It’s easy to find four good linebackers and three linemen, but clubs have had greater success throwing against a 3-4 than the 4-3. The 3-4 became fashionable in the ’70s with coaches like Bum Phillips and Chuck Fairbanks bringing it in from the college ranks, because it was a better defense against the run.
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From Obi one himself there vinny.
 
Ole Miss Texan said:
And BPA is the way to go w/ considering need, IMO. If a WR grades slightly higher than a FS...you take the FS. If a WR grades THAT much more than a FS...you have to take the WR. Of course there are all the other positions to consider. But picking someone b/c the are "BPA" being .01 points higher than a need position is ridiculous and I don't think most GM's would do that...I hope . lol
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This is all I've been saying for 9 pages it seems. Real keep trying to argue that the LB class is so deep this year, well that mean the talent floweth over. Have we not learned that the freakish athletes at LB are not always the best route to go? Lest we remember our fortune with Demeco and be reminded of the Greenway incident? I have been arguing that CB is deep as well, but it 10x harder to find a starting calibur CB after the first than it is to find a starting calibur LB after the first. This CB class is deep, and not all will work out obviously, but the talent will be gone by the mid-second round, and as we stand now, we are without a second rounder.
 
The1ApplePie said:
Oh, and Schmitt from WV at fullback would be nice. The guy is a monster of Alstott proportions
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I don't know about Alstott level, but he is a monster. I've watched plenty of WV, and Schmitt is the leader of that offense. He makes Pat White and Slaton, and the backup QB when he plays as well.
 
painekiller said:
My OT to Watch list is growing. (not in any order)

To keep you guys quite I'll add Baker and Long, but they will be gone before our pick, IMO.

Michael Oher 6-6 322 Ole Miss
Jeff Otah 6-6 340 Pitt
Andrew Gardner 6-6 300 Georgia Tech (Jr)
Chris Williams 6-6 320 Vanderbilt
Phil Loadholt 6-7 350 Oklahoma (Jr, JC Xfer)
Brandon Rodd 6-4 303 Arizona St
Ryan Clady 6-6 319 Boise St.
Kirk Barton 6-6 300 Ohio St.

Looking at all the OT prospects makes me think we can find a good one, and if we need to go for one in the 1st there will be guys available that look to be worth the pick.
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That's what I'm seeing also. Not saying they will do this, but just like linebacker there are a lot of great looking prospects on the board this year...if a couple of the juniors declare. Loadholdt is a prety amazing kid. We'll see this saturday. Newberry kid needs to be on the list as well.


Well one thing we can say for sure about the Wake Forest Center, going against a very young and Athletic Fla. St. d-line, the kid can pull and block in space.
 
real said:
You are lying.

Please find ONE post where I even REMOTELY suggest that, let alone actually say it.
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You continually argue for a LB because of BPA. The first round will be stacked with LB AND DB. A great LB will be countered by a great DB. When two players grade out closely, you take the one that fills a need on your team.
 
YoungTexanFan said:
You continually argue for a LB because of BPA. The first round will be stacked with LB AND DB. A great LB will be countered by a great DB.
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LOL...

What ?

I'm not sure what that has to do with you lying on me...

1) I never once argued for a LB BECAUSE of BPA
2) You said LB was deep...not me....
 
threetoedpete said:
That's what I'm seeing also. Not saying they will do this, but just like linebacker there are a lot of great looking prospects on the board this year...if a couple of the juniors declare. Loadholdt is a prety amazing kid. We'll see this saturday. Newberry kid needs to be on the list as well.


Well one thing we can say for sure about the Wake Forest Center, going against a very young and Athletic Fla. St. d-line, the kid can pull and block in space.
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He is the top rated C, and the only one who has a chance to go round 1, though I don't see it happening. I called Kalil last year early, but I don't see it happening this year.
 
KJ3 said:
so let's say we get the 18th pick:
-your bpa is a wr prospect
-your 2nd highest rated guy is a great corner prospect
-your 3rd highest rated guy is a great lt prospect
-your 4th highest rated guy is a pretty good olb prospect
-your 5th highest rated guy is a good rb prospect
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Honestly in that scenario I wouldn't take the OLB...It would be that corner back easily..either that or trade down...

Lets say you have the 18th pick:

-BPA by far is OLB
-2nd RB
-3rd LT
-4th CB

Who do you take ?
 
real said:
Honestly in that scenario I wouldn't take the OLB...It would be that corner back easily..either that or trade down...

Lets say you have the 18th pick:

-BPA by far is OLB
-2nd RB
-3rd LT
-4th CB

Who do you take ?
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nobody has argued for reaching. quit trying to pin it as such.
 
real said:
Honestly in that scenario I wouldn't take the OLB...It would be that corner back easily..either that or trade down...

Lets say you have the 18th pick:

-BPA by far is OLB
-2nd RB
-3rd LT
-4th CB

Who do you take ?
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Also, I've been arguing that LB talent and DB talent are both very good, so there shouldn't be a situation like this.
 
YoungTexanFan said:
Also, I've been arguing that LB talent and DB talent are both very good, so there shouldn't be a situation like this.
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YTF....

I won't quote you anymore....I won't even respond to what you write....

I think it's pretty safe to say that we disagree in every aspect when it comes to the draft...

No need in going round and round in circles...
 
YoungTexanFan said:
This is all I've been saying for 9 pages it seems. Real keep trying to argue that the LB class is so deep this year, well that mean the talent floweth over. Have we not learned that the freakish athletes at LB are not always the best route to go? Lest we remember our fortune with Demeco and be reminded of the Greenway incident? I have been arguing that CB is deep as well, but it 10x harder to find a starting calibur CB after the first than it is to find a starting calibur LB after the first. This CB class is deep, and not all will work out obviously, but the talent will be gone by the mid-second round, and as we stand now, we are without a second rounder.
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Well I've been looking at OLT like that for five years. Welcome to club frustration. Look, Sweed was dinged and you could say Smith hit a luck match up game. Fact of the matter is they gave Colt McCoy fits. So this saturday they got Chase Daniels and his flying cricus coming in...if the kid does ok will you admit there are far more CB prospects this season than you are letting on. And that hitting a #3 CB, assuming the SC kid is going to make it and we didn't blow the four on him, that drafting a guy to groom rather than locked and loaded is the best intrest of the team ? I mean if they can lock down the line and hit a grreat DB prospect, I'd be happy. If they go the other way , Lock down and elite LB and a Db I'd be happy. But assuming there is less risk with a Cason than there is with an Ohr is a misstake.

I won't argue that CB2 is not a festering sore. What I'm saying is my sore has been festering longer . And with the board this year you've got a better chance at making Ron Dayne look like an all pro than you do hitting a premiere CB. I understand your arguement, take the risk out of the equation by drafting the DB early. But our greatest chance to beating manning and the colts isn't defending his quick release. It's keeping him on the pine and sucking the air out of the clock. And the best way to do that is upgrading the tallent of the o-line. Either that or improve the defense. We're six points at home behind the colts...you're telling me that the best way to beat them in the future is with going with two ones at Cb...I stand to humbly disagree.
 
Vinny said:
4-3 OLB's don't tend to be "pass rushers". 3-4 OLB's HAVE to have pass rushing skills. We could use a good "blitzer" at the OLB though. For instance, DeMeco is a good "blitzer" but isn't a good "pass rusher". When DeMeco can come in and use his speed and his body control he is great on the blitz when the Texans overload or when he tries to shoot a gap. When he has to use pass rushing moves or take on a Guard or Tackle in short space he gets covered up and has a hard time getting off the block is not a good pass rusher.
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Blitzer...pass rusher...semantics (well not really but I made the mistake so I'm going to cover it up). All I want is an OLB you can get to the Qb when his number is called. DeMeco can do it but a) his number isn't called that often and b) when it is the liabilites in Clark's and Greenwood's games become even more exposed.

As for need versus BPA, drafting for need alone can lead to bad, bad things. I think it was the 2000 draft were the Cowboys went into the draft needing to fix the CB situation; so they drafted 4 corners through the draft's seven rounds. Betcha can't guess how poorly that worked out.

Or look at the 2004 draft. Jacksonville needed a Wr, so they drafted Reggie Williams. Bad choice as Willaims was not the 9th best player in that draft.

And if BPA (espically when it comes to WRs) is so bad I quess Arizona is stupid for drafting both Boldin and Larry Fitzgerald in back to back drafts, right?
 
real said:
YTF....

I won't quote you anymore....I won't even respond to what you write....

I think it's pretty safe to say that we disagree in every aspect when it comes to the draft...

No need in going round and round in circles...
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This will be the last I say to you for a while, because frankly, this is the first I have agreed with you in a while.

What I was saying, is that not a single person here supports taking a a mediocre talent over an amazing LB. What some people are supporting, is taking an equally amazing prospect at a position of greater need than taking the amazing LB. This won't always apply, K's and QB's especially, but for the two positions we have argued it does. I will always support an AJ Hawk over a Leon Hall (yes, different drafts, just go with it), but when the talent at each respective position is equal, you take the position that helps your team win more ballgames. You fill your void. Gonzo, by any board was not the BPA at the Colts pick last year, but the Colts took him. Now he is doing great. Can we attribute that to Peyton or a great scout? Maybe, but they filled a need, and he happens to be working out. In the situation you listed, everyone will go with the LB, no questions asked. All I was saying is that with how the draft class looks, that situation won't arise, and it is a moot point for now.
 
Hoth-Boy said:
Blitzer...pass rusher...semantics (well not really but I made the mistake so I'm going to cover it up). All I want is an OLB you can get to the Qb when his number is called. DeMeco can do it but a) his number isn't called that often and b) when it is the liabilites in Clark's and Greenwood's games become even more exposed.

As for need versus BPA, drafting for need alone can lead to bad, bad things. I think it was the 2000 draft were the Cowboys went into the draft needing to fix the CB situation; so they drafted 4 corners through the draft's seven rounds. Betcha can't guess how poorly that worked out.

Or look at the 2004 draft. Jacksonville needed a Wr, so they drafted Reggie Williams. Bad choice as Willaims was not the 9th best player in that draft.

And if BPA (espically when it comes to WRs) is so bad I quess Arizona is stupid for drafting both Boldin and Larry Fitzgerald in back to back drafts, right?
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You are assuming everyone is calling for us to reach at our pick. If a player grades out significantly higher than anyone else on the board, except a QB for cap issues, you take them. I am for BPA mostly, but when players grade almost equal to each other, you take the guy at a position of need. The situations you listed are obvious reaches, and they have paid for them. I trust Smith not to reach for a pick just off of a need.
 
YoungTexanFan said:
This will be the last I say to you for a while, because frankly, this is the first I have agreed with you in a while.

What I was saying, is that not a single person here supports taking a a mediocre talent over an amazing LB. What some people are supporting, is taking an equally amazing prospect at a position of greater need than taking the amazing LB. This won't always apply, K's and QB's especially, but for the two positions we have argued it does. I will always support an AJ Hawk over a Leon Hall (yes, different drafts, just go with it), but when the talent at each respective position is equal, you take the position that helps your team win more ballgames. You fill your void. Gonzo, by any board was not the BPA at the Colts pick last year, but the Colts took him. Now he is doing great. Can we attribute that to Peyton or a great scout? Maybe, but they filled a need, and he happens to be working out. In the situation you listed, everyone will go with the LB, no questions asked. All I was saying is that with how the draft class looks, that situation won't arise, and it is a moot point for now.
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If Gonzo was not a BPA pick are up saying he was a "need" pick for the Colts?

Sorry, I firmly believe the Gonze was a BPA pick for the Colts.
 
YoungTexanFan said:
You are assuming everyone is calling for us to reach at our pick. If a player grades out significantly higher than anyone else on the board, except a QB for cap issues, you take them. I am for BPA mostly, but when players grade almost equal to each other, you take the guy at a position of need. The situations you listed are obvious reaches, and they have paid for them. I trust Smith not to reach for a pick just off of a need.
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I'm sorry, but drafting for need tends to lead to reaching for a pick.

Now if there is a bunch at the top of your draft board when your pick comes up, you can factor need in ( I wouldn't as I don't think this team is that talented at all positions); but going into the draft with the mindset that you have to fix a position (like FS or CB2 as we have been hearing here) bad things happen.
 
YoungTexanFan said:
You are assuming everyone is calling for us to reach at our pick. If a player grades out significantly higher than anyone else on the board, except a QB for cap issues, you take them. I am for BPA mostly, but when players grade almost equal to each other, you take the guy at a position of need. The situations you listed are obvious reaches, and they have paid for them. I trust Smith not to reach for a pick just off of a need.
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there its been said, remember we have Rick Smith as our GM not Charlie dumb-ass Casserly :pirate:
 
Casserly convinced Kubiak to take O.D....

Casserly/Kubiak produced our best draft to date IMHO...
 
The1ApplePie said:
For the 1st:

Steve Slaton
Johnathan Stewart
Kenny Phillips
Antoine Cason
Justin King

One of these guys will be there when we pick. I'd put Sam Baker, who would be the perfect ZBS LT, but he will be long gone.
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That's a prety fair list there Apple1.

Only thingy I have against Slaton and I'm not saying he isn't a premere prospect, you always aproch skill guys in the spread with danger Will Robinson written all over them. You don't know if he can block. And you don't know if he can read blocks. And there is no way in hades this coach is going to start a RB who cannot do those things. All you know about him at this point is that he has elite speed and production....out of a spread offense. The scouts get a hold of him they make him jump through those hoops. If he can't do it in the all star games, he'll have a lead ballon tied to his tail. Might be a bit of over annylizing but that is the way it is. Titan's run a spread...might be a perfect fit.
 
I agree peete...

Plus, I think Slaytons vision is suspect...

Seen him running into the backs of his lineman quite a bit.....too much for my taste..
 
threetoedpete said:
That's a prety fair list there Apple1.

Only thingy I have against Slaton and I'm not saying he isn't a premere prospect, you always aproch skill guys in the spread with danger Will Robinson written all over them. You don't know if he can block. And you don't know if he can read blocks. And there is no way in hades this coach is going to start a RB who cannot do those things. All you know about him at this point is that he has elite speed and production....out of a spread offense. The scouts get a hold of him they make him jump through those hoops. If he can't do it in the all star games, he'll have a lead ballon tied to his tail. Might be a bit of over annylizing but that is the way it is. Titan's run a spread...might be a perfect fit.
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I think that's why i like Slaton though. I've seen WV play a few times and it seems like he's a cut and go guy.which is what this offense and Denver's is about....one cut, daylight and the cutback lane. Great hands out of the back field and unlike some people....he can run inbetween the tackles.

Not sure what we'll do far as RB goes next year. Some people on this board are content to see if Chris Taylor is that guy...i dunno i just never saw enough to put stock in that. Realitically I think Ahman will be here next year and that'll be his last year.

I think the reason it's really crucial at this point to have a blocking back is the fact our C and LT is suspect. In the long run does it help to have a back who can do those thing? Of course! No doubt about that. We've still got the rest of the year to find out about some of these guys though.

Bennett just saw his first playing time. I think we're still shuffling at safeties. I think White will get reps this season. Maybe Frye will work himself into a roster spot.
 
KJ3 said:
like i said, ignoring things doesn't make them go away. at some point you have to address the glaring weakness of your team.
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Agreed, but the point I was making is that if you go into the draft atleast having address your issues you are less likely to be forced into a situation where you focus on a certain position or need.

This is what Rick Smith has been very good at. While there were still areas of concern before last year's draft, Rick Smith had already addressed them through FA, ie Black at T, Clark at Sam, Fletcher at CB, Green at RB, etc. Now I'm not saying that the guys were expected to be the fixes at their positions, but I am saying that since we already had options at the problem areas we were not forced to draft with the mind set of having to "fix" the roster.
 
Hoth-Boy said:
If Gonzo was not a BPA pick are up saying he was a "need" pick for the Colts?

Sorry, I firmly believe the Gonze was a BPA pick for the Colts.
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Well, I wasn't in the colts war room. But it seems prety obvious at this point they had a plan and they stuck to it. They had lost the slot via free agency. And inspite of what the phins thought the best reciever prospect on the board from the OSU was Gonzales. Not Ginn Jr. . Blind man could of saw it when he cut the Texas Dds to peices in the early Texas game.... in back to back years. They also had a line on a Rb out of canada that looked like a fair back up. They also liked Ugoh to groom. And Ugoh was falling. So he takes the slot first ....because they know there is no way in hades he is going to fall through the second and Manning has...I posted has, to have that slot guy. Boom, Boom, Boom...Ugoh works out, Gonzo is as advetised..Keith preforms brilantly, the colts are 5-0. And the draft gurus who dissed them owe a few I beg your pardons Mr. Dungy.
 
threetoedpete said:
Boom, Boom, Boom...Ugoh works out, Gonzo is as advetised..Keith preforms brilantly, the colts are 5-0. And the draft gurus who dissed them owe a few I beg your pardons Mr. Dungy.
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It's Bill Polian really, and he is one of the most astute NFL personnel guys in the league...it's been obvious for years.
 
I wished I felt better about there being a good pool to select from in free agency for our needs.
 
real said:
Casserly convinced Kubiak to take O.D....

Casserly/Kubiak produced our best draft to date IMHO...
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you think :shades:

2006 was the best collection of talent EVER in a draft & yes thanks to Casserly we still had the #1 pick (Mario Williams) the #1 pick of the 2nd rd. (DeMeco Ryans) two #3's (extra pick aquired from NO) Owen Daniels in the 4th (clearly a Kubiak pick) then Wali Lundy in 6th (no longer on the team) & David Anderson barely haning in there. surely with such assortment of high picks the Texans with Rick Smith would have done at least as good if not superior given the talent across the board. I'm not even going into another discussion concerning the top pick, but if you notice there was a pretty good LB still available in the 2nd rd :rofl:
 
Daniels wasn't "clearly a Kubiak pick". It is common knowledge that Casserly was the guy who convinced the team do to take Daniels when they met to discuss the second day draft strategy. If I remember this right, Richard Smith didn't want to draft DeMeco Ryans.
 
Vinny said:
Daniels wasn't "clearly a Kubiak pick". It is common knowledge that Casserly was the guy who convinced the team do to take Daniels when they met to discuss the second day draft strategy. If I remember this right, Richard Smith didn't want to draft DeMeco Ryans.
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I know the Daniels pick but never heard of the Ryans pick, not saying wrong or right, but would love to know the whole break down on that draft.
 
Vinny said:
Daniels wasn't "clearly a Kubiak pick". It is common knowledge that Casserly was the guy who convinced the team do to take Daniels when they met to discuss the second day draft strategy. If I remember this right, Richard Smith didn't want to draft DeMeco Ryans.
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Wasn't it thought in the draft that either Maroney or DeAngelo Williams would fall to the 2nd, but thanks to LandWhatle being a fatass, he fell instead of one of them?
 
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