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Draft Priorities

bah007 said:
I like Marcus Thigpen (Indiana) for that.

He is only a redshirt junior this year but I like his size (5-9, 195) a lot more.

He led the nation with a 30.1 KR Avg & 3 KR TDs last year.

He's touching the ball more as a RB this year than a WR or KR.
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I'll check him out but he clearly lacks NFL return speed (4.5 forty) & is projected as a RB in the 7th rd. I would'nt mind that type of player at all which is exactly my point, sounds like someone to pay attention to in the latter rounds.
 
Just something that's been rattling around my head:

Assume that the new regime stays par for course. Running backs and offensive linemen no earlier than the third. Then assume Bennett checks out. It's a lot to assume for Week 6, but any draft discussion at this point will have to assume a lot. So while I'm at it, assume that the receiving corps also looks good by year's end. Hell, better than any year before.

That leaves defensive linemen, linebackers, and safeties. (Tight End is locked up.) I can't see the Texans taking a stud linebacker in the first round to play Will or Sam. Top-tier defensive backs fly during free agency. What I'm leading up to is the question - what would you think if the Texans drafted another Defensive End in the first round?

Note: I'm not talking about what I want to see on the roster or what the team needs most (I'm off-topic, I know). I'm just grazing through some of the trends I've seen.
 
Texans Horror said:
Just something that's been rattling around my head:

Assume that the new regime stays par for course. Running backs and offensive linemen no earlier than the third. Then assume Bennett checks out. It's a lot to assume for Week 6, but any draft discussion at this point will have to assume a lot. So while I'm at it, assume that the receiving corps also looks good by year's end. Hell, better than any year before.

That leaves defensive linemen, linebackers, and safeties. (Tight End is locked up.) I can't see the Texans taking a stud linebacker in the first round to play Will or Sam. Top-tier defensive backs fly during free agency. What I'm leading up to is the question - what would you think if the Texans drafted another Defensive End in the first round?

Note: I'm not talking about what I want to see on the roster or what the team needs most (I'm off-topic, I know). I'm just grazing through some of the trends I've seen.
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You can see them taking a DE but not a LB ?

LOL...I guess...
 
real said:
You can see them taking a DE but not a LB ?

LOL...I guess...
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you have to keep an open mind I guess :shades:

with the #1 pick now as it stands a very good cb will be available when the Texans pick. who that is remains to be seen, Rick Smith could shock us once again & take another small school talent with big time playmaking ability to develop like he did last year with Jacoby. Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie of Tennessee State fills that mold but will take some time, his upside may be worth it, given the youth already on this team especially the defense the Texans could be really, really good in a couple more years.

with that thought in mind it could be a DE or a LB too but with an eye for the diamond in the rough :fortune:
 
beerlover said:
you have to keep an open mind I guess :shades:

with the #1 pick now as it stands a very good cb will be available when the Texans pick. who that is remains to be seen, Rick Smith could shock us once again & take another small school talent with big time playmaking ability to develop like he did last year with Jacoby. Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie of Tennessee State fills that mold but will take some time, his upside may be worth it, given the youth already on this team especially the defense the Texans could be really, really good in a couple more years.

with that thought in mind it could be a DE or a LB too but with an eye for the diamond in the rough :fortune:
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My 2 cents: We can buy a CB in free agency this off season. Some one like Asante Samuel who will probably be named a franchise player again. We can afford him and have spending $ left. The problem is giving up the picks to get him. I think it would be two firsts. Can anyone give me info on other CBs we could go after? We worked a pretty good trade for Schaub it seems. As Patriots draft so low they might be interested in something less than two firsts. If we can pick a CB in FA, we could use the 1st & 3rd picks to get a FS and LT or RB. I just don't see any of these available in FAgency.
 
real said:
You can see them taking a DE but not a LB ?

LOL...I guess...
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TH,

No, I don't think they will draft a defensive end. I am adamant that OLB will be the pick of choice, as I have already berated everybody else on the board who has tried to think differently.

-Real

Look, you can LOL all you want, but you also said:

real said:
Was DT a more pressing need that FS or CB last year? Was DT a more pressing need than reciever ?

I'd rather not pass on a potential all-pro type player at OLB to reach for a DB in a class that is DB thin...

If DB is such a big weakness then we need to spend big bucks to bring someone in F/agency...We will have the money to do it...
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So if DT was the pick last year, why is DE such a stretch of the imagination this year? If DT was not a need (I think it was), but they drafted it anyways, then why is another defensive lineman (not a need, but possibly bpa) so laughable? I'm not claiming DE is a weakness or a pressing need or even needs to be on the radar. I'm just garden-pathing through a trend and some assumptions, which is pretty much everybody's argument right now. At the end of the season we'll have a better idea of what can happen. Maybe the Texans will draft a CB based on need or an OLB based on bpa.

Agree, disagree, whatever. I don't want to get in a shouting match with you. I'm just surprised you didn't call me a Carr-homer....
 
badboy said:
My 2 cents: We can buy a CB in free agency this off season. Some one like Asante Samuel who will probably be named a franchise player again. We can afford him and have spending $ left. The problem is giving up the picks to get him. I think it would be two firsts. Can anyone give me info on other CBs we could go after? We worked a pretty good trade for Schaub it seems. As Patriots draft so low they might be interested in something less than two firsts. If we can pick a CB in FA, we could use the 1st & 3rd picks to get a FS and LT or RB. I just don't see any of these available in FAgency.
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Great point. The Texans may have the millions to give to a player, but will they have the draft picks? I can't see them giving up a number one pick from the upcoming draft. They still lack too much, and they are already down a second-rounder.
 
badboy said:
My 2 cents: We can buy a CB in free agency this off season. Some one like Asante Samuel who will probably be named a franchise player again. We can afford him and have spending $ left. The problem is giving up the picks to get him. I think it would be two firsts.
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Part of Samuel's returning to the team and signing his franchise deal this year was New England agreeing not to franchise him again next year.
 
infantrycak said:
Part of Samuel's returning to the team and signing his franchise deal this year was New England agreeing not to franchise him again next year.
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Hey, thanks. I thought I had read that but could not authenticate. So we could go after him with a straight cash offer, right? We could offer a huge contract for this pretty good CB. 11 tackles and 3 INTs the last I saw. This would allow us to go after another need in first, third and fourth and close major holes. It would give Bennett time to develop as a nickle and a back up. We could still go after pretty significant players with remaining cap $ if any catches our eye.
 
badboy said:
My 2 cents: We can buy a CB in free agency this off season. Some one like Asante Samuel who will probably be named a franchise player again. We can afford him and have spending $ left. The problem is giving up the picks to get him. I think it would be two firsts. Can anyone give me info on other CBs we could go after? We worked a pretty good trade for Schaub it seems. As Patriots draft so low they might be interested in something less than two firsts. If we can pick a CB in FA, we could use the 1st & 3rd picks to get a FS and LT or RB. I just don't see any of these available in FAgency.
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I'm not the expert on salary cap issues like infantrycak, but I don't think the Texans become free spenders until after the 08 season thats when the bulk of paid salarys come off the books. If they do have enough cap room we still need to lock up Dunta Robinson first, knowing the Texans thats excatley what I expect them to do.

Sorry but the Texans have to draft the best corner they can find in the 1st rd. who is capable of starting next season, thats all there is to it. Bennett is a nickle or possibly a FS he just doesnt seem to have the cover skills at this time & Faggins & Von Hutchins will have to make due this year.

maybe something like this-

1st rd. cb
3rd rd. Center/LT/RB
4th rd. WR/LB/LT/RB
5th - 6th - 7th rd. bpa of need left
 
Texans Horror said:
TH,

No, I don't think they will draft a defensive end. I am adamant that OLB will be the pick of choice, as I have already berated everybody else on the board who has tried to think differently.

-Real

Look, you can LOL all you want, but you also said:



So if DT was the pick last year, why is DE such a stretch of the imagination this year? If DT was not a need (I think it was), but they drafted it anyways, then why is another defensive lineman (not a need, but possibly bpa) so laughable? I'm not claiming DE is a weakness or a pressing need or even needs to be on the radar. I'm just garden-pathing through a trend and some assumptions, which is pretty much everybody's argument right now. At the end of the season we'll have a better idea of what can happen. Maybe the Texans will draft a CB based on need or an OLB based on bpa.

Agree, disagree, whatever. I don't want to get in a shouting match with you. I'm just surprised you didn't call me a Carr-homer....
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My point wasn't that they wouldn't take a DE...

I never said that...



I LOL'd at the fact that you can see them taking a DE before a LB...

THAT was funny....
 
KJ3 said:
only if the DE is the bpa right? :d:
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Never said they wouldn't take a DE...

I think it's likely for the simple fact that I can't think of many top talent DE's that will be available where we should be picking...


But the point was that I think it's pretty backward to rule out LB and then say taking a DE is more of a possibility...Especially considering the circumstances of this team...
 
beerlover said:
I'm not the expert on salary cap issues like infantrycak, but I don't think the Texans become free spenders until after the 08 season thats when the bulk of paid salarys come off the books. If they do have enough cap room we still need to lock up Dunta Robinson first, knowing the Texans thats excatley what I expect them to do.

Sorry but the Texans have to draft the best corner they can find in the 1st rd. who is capable of starting next season, thats all there is to it. Bennett is a nickle or possibly a FS he just doesnt seem to have the cover skills at this time & Faggins & Von Hutchins will have to make due this year.

maybe something like this-

1st rd. cb
3rd rd. Center/LT/RB
4th rd. WR/LB/LT/RB
5th - 6th - 7th rd. bpa of need left
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I would be ok with your draft if a very good CB is available. My understanding is Texans are to be $30 million under cap. Even if we have to resign some, such as Dunte, we should have plenty left over to get one very good player. If Asante is available why not? If you can fit that quality under the cap with a person with a proven record in prime of his career, that would be perfect. You do not know what you will get with any draft pick. See Gallery or many others. Corners like Dunte and Samuel would take a lot of pressure off safeties and LBackers. If you could get a FS in 1st, a LT in 3rd and OLB in 4th(or vice versa), the defense should be set for years. I am adamant about getting another LT to replace Jordan Black. Salaam earns his check but with or with out Spencer in 08, we need another tackle. Some of our fans are putting a bunch of eggs in Spencer's basket based on very little info when he was 100%.
 
badboy said:
I would be ok with your draft if a very good CB is available. My understanding is Texans are to be $30 million under cap. Even if we have to resign some, such as Dunte, we should have plenty left over to get one very good player. If Asante is available why not? If you can fit that quality under the cap with a person with a proven record in prime of his career, that would be perfect. You do not know what you will get with any draft pick. See Gallery or many others. Corners like Dunte and Samuel would take a lot of pressure off safeties and LBackers. If you could get a FS in 1st, a LT in 3rd and OLB in 4th(or vice versa), the defense should be set for years. I am adamant about getting another LT to replace Jordan Black. Salaam earns his check but with or with out Spencer in 08, we need another tackle. Some of our fans are putting a bunch of eggs in Spencer's basket based on very little info when he was 100%.
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There will be more 1st round corners this year than last year.

I think we will be in a good position to grab one of them & I think we should.
 
bah007 said:
There will be more 1st round corners this year than last year.

I think we will be in a good position to grab one of them & I think we should.
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I wouldn't gripe too much over a corner as it stands today, but lets see how Bennett plays out.

I am now on the left tackle front. Salaam is on the decline and I don't see him improving.

1st LT
3rd RB
4th FS/SS/CB/LB

My $0.02
 
LT or CB.... whichever of those positions has the BPA at our pick.

Gonna miss that 2nd rounder. Although that 2nd rounder is playing awfully well.
 
badboy said:
My 2 cents: We can buy a CB in free agency this off season. Some one like Asante Samuel who will probably be named a franchise player again. We can afford him and have spending $ left. The problem is giving up the picks to get him. I think it would be two firsts. Can anyone give me info on other CBs we could go after? We worked a pretty good trade for Schaub it seems. As Patriots draft so low they might be interested in something less than two firsts. If we can pick a CB in FA, we could use the 1st & 3rd picks to get a FS and LT or RB. I just don't see any of these available in FAgency.
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It was my understanding that Samuel was tendered and signed a one year deal with the caveat that he would not be tagged in '08 as the frachise player ?

http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/articles/2007/07/17/no_new_deal_for_samuel/

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/football/patriots/view.bg?articleid=1018832


"Asante Samuel wasn't just being a good company man when he said 'both sides are happy' with the way his contract deal played out. On Sunday, a league source confirmed the terms that got the cornerback to sign his franchise tender: if he plays 60 percent of the defensive snaps or New England wins 12 games, Samuel will not be franchised again next year."
Samuel inclined to stay
August 31
Boston Herald
"The question is, if Samuel should have another banner season, will he automatically put the Pats in his rearview mirror, given his unfettered free agent status at season’s end ? The assumption is that provision has all but delivered him out of town. According to Alonzo Shavers, however, that will hardly be the case. If anything, Samuel will once again attempt to strike a long-term deal with the Pats"
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So unless the shaver man wants to pay the guy twice for breech of contract....they shouldn't tag AS again. If of course all of this is true... and if the wheels don't fall off of the Patty's wagon.

So say that he is out there. The big questions are do you go after him for 9-10 million a year , i.e. is he better locked and loaded that anything that will be on the draft boards in '08 in two or three seasons ? The other big question...what will Danta Robinson's reaction to this be ?
 
Texans Horror said:
Just something that's been rattling around my head:

Assume that the new regime stays par for course. Running backs and offensive linemen no earlier than the third. Then assume Bennett checks out. It's a lot to assume for Week 6, but any draft discussion at this point will have to assume a lot. So while I'm at it, assume that the receiving corps also looks good by year's end. Hell, better than any year before.

That leaves defensive linemen, linebackers, and safeties. (Tight End is locked up.) I can't see the Texans taking a stud linebacker in the first round to play Will or Sam. Top-tier defensive backs fly during free agency. What I'm leading up to is the question - what would you think if the Texans drafted another Defensive End in the first round?

Note: I'm not talking about what I want to see on the roster or what the team needs most (I'm off-topic, I know). I'm just grazing through some of the trends I've seen.
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What I'm saying is at linbacker there will be a heck of a lot of them with first round grades floating around. And ditto for OLT IF two or three of the top teired Juniors come out. I do not think with all due respect to YTF, that's true to the DBs in general. I think it's a down class. They may take a DB....from what I'm reading and watching so far there isn't a dimes bit of difference from someone from pick fifteen to pick sixty-four. If they traded back they could get the same prospect at DB in the second as the could in the first. The difference would be negligable.

As far as DE is concerned, if he's an elite guy who can get after the passer why not ? The only thing I can see is they seem prety happy this season with their platoon. We're fixin to see a couple of them the next few weeks that's for sure. I wanted one of the Columbus boys for a while now. The kid in Buffalo turned into a prety good DE.

What I know for a fact is simply this....we send six no one gets there. And that little thing has been going on for two and half seasons now. And one thing Denver's defense always featured over the recent years.....was very big safty's and athletic, read the cream in the league, linebackers.

The only way I can see them taking a WR is if someone they graded out very high tumbles off the top of the boards and falls to them on day two. Couple of those guys just went IR this week. Now whether they tumble or not ? I wouldn't Pay a one for Sweed or the kid for Oregon, but a three might be more than Kubaick can stand.
 
threetoedpete said:
It was my understanding that Samuel was tendered and signed a one year deal with the caveat that he would not be tagged in '08 as the frachise player ?

http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/articles/2007/07/17/no_new_deal_for_samuel/

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/football/patriots/view.bg?articleid=1018832




So unless the shaver man wants to pay the guy twice for breech of contract....they shouldn't tag AS again. If of course all of this is true... and if the wheels don't fall off of the Patty's wagon.

So say that he is out there. The big questions are do you go after him for 9-10 million a year , i.e. is he better locked and loaded that anything that will be on the draft boards in '08 in two or three seasons ? The other big question...what will Danta Robinson's reaction to this be ?
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Good info and thanks, Cak pointed me that way to confirm what I thought I had heard. My belief is you should go with what you know. Some college players coming out have more chance of making in the NFL than others. AP would be an example of this. As you state, a draft selection especially at LT or Dline may take more than one year to develop. See Mario, ignore Okoye who is outstanding so far. There are exceptions of course, yet I would rather sign Samuel for CB than to draft one in first. Injuries can happen to either player, but I'd go with the established NFL guy with a track record. You will pay more but Samuel is in his prime. 27 yoa Jan 6, 2008. I agree a team should build with the draft; but if you can plug a hole at starter especially for a position that can win or lose a game, you do it.

Another thing to be concerned about is what will be available in free agency this off season. For 2007, we had about $7million under cap that we did not spend as I understand. Smith has done wonders again buying players on the cheap. For 2008, I see no RBs that are clear "Hey, look at me!" type players. One or two "avg to good" free safeties and no LT. Why not go with a great offer to Samuel and lock up a need player. As for as Bennett, time will tell, but we are talking about what we see on team as for today. It is possible that Dayne will explode and be an 800 yds rusher and Green goes for 1200. We just don't know that today.

Lock up Samuel and then you have 1st, third and 4th to address LT, FS and center or OLB based on your view of need. Our luck in free agency and low draft picks have not been very productive for a center.
 
Anybody watch the Pitt/Navy game last night?

I remembered half way through that Charles Spencer played for Pitt so I wanted to watch their OL.

Their LT (Otah) is a senior and seemed to do very well. Of course they were playing Navy so its hard to tell...but the announcers said kiper expects him to be a 1st day pick (3rd rd as of now).

Anybody got more insight on him?

Also as far as OL goes, what are good teams to watch for that would be guys we might pick from to fit our system? USC, Clemson, Pittsburgh, Miami come to mind (Spencer, Winston...)
 
badboy said:
Another thing to be concerned about is what will be available in free agency this off season. For 2007, we had about $7million under cap that we did not spend as I understand. Smith has done wonders again buying players on the cheap. For 2008, I see no RBs that are clear "Hey, look at me!" type players. One or two "avg to good" free safeties and no LT. Why not go with a great offer to Samuel and lock up a need player. As for as Bennett, time will tell, but we are talking about what we see on team as for today. It is possible that Dayne will explode and be an 800 yds rusher and Green goes for 1200. We just don't know that today.
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What about Michael Turner?
 
don't get too wrapped up into offensive lineman you'll only get dissapointed like I did last year :)

but yeah Otah does remind me of Charles, does'nt have the hand punch but similar massive frame & good footwrok for his size. also Mike McGlynn (RT) is a really interesting prospect because he has the ability to play all line positions. I'm wondering if they (Texans) could take a player like him (4th-5th rd.) & develop him into a NFL Center, his pass blocking is excellent, consistant & intense.

the other thing you hit upon are the schools that constantly produce lineman who compete & do exceptionally well in the NFL. I would take it one step father and say just look @ the coaching. Coaches rarely get their proper due with a few exceptions. Head coach Dave Wannstedt has NFL head coaching experience & Paul Dunn (who worked with Pitts) is the offensive line coach.
 
You guys can have Samuel...I'm hoping the Raiders don't resign Namdi Asmuagh(sp). Good cover corner who can tackle and has really come into his own quietly in Oakland. I think he's more physical then Asante andi prefer that in a corner. I also have my reservations about what happens to guys when they leave N.E. i just don't see them perform nearly as well outside of Billichek's staff and guys playing for the big contract make me nervous as well for the next season.

As for 1st rounder at this point I'm very much in agreement with your assesment pete. There is going to be a lot of first round grade LB's, especially if Lauranitis comes out, floating around. If a guy like Dan Conor falls us middle of first round it wouldn't suprise me at all for us to snag him up.

OL... honestly I think a lot of that might be up in the air far as what happens in the offseason. there should bea few HC spots open up and my money is on Coughlin leaving NYC, Gruden is on the hotseat, Del Rio could be too, Norv was a mistake in the first place and should be fired, and Crennels possibly. Sherman might be up for one of those jobs and if he goes i fully expect the OC position has been groomed for lil Shanahan. If that happens I well expect us to use later draft round picks again. If Sherman stays...we might go LT first round if a guy falls that we like.

As for RB the guy in the first round that I really want is Slaton. Perfect fit for what we're trying to do here. Cut and Run guy. Runs draw plays well, screens well, and has speed that kills. I like Dantrell Savage out of OSU late rounder and anyone else here think Mike Hart isn't a 1st rounder? AS for Turner...from what I've seen he does impress in limited touches.

Just my .02 cents anyway.
 
tulexan said:
What about Michael Turner?
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http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/rumors/post/Chargers-will-not-trade-Michael-Turner;_ylt=A9G_byPuXQ5HsBcBbwH.uLYF?urn=nfl,48439

He will be almost 27 when the 2008 regular season begins and will then have four NFL seasons behind him as a RB. In five games his rushing avg is 7.4 but in 27 rushes he has 201 yds. Maybe he could carry the load for us, but nothing to base it on. He would be a reach because he will want a big contract in FA.

Here is the thing, someone will offer San Diego a trade and I think the team takes it. So do you want to give up a 4th on a maybe starter? I don't think I do for this player.
 
threetoedpete said:
What I'm saying is at linbacker there will be a heck of a lot of them with first round grades floating around. And ditto for OLT IF two or three of the top teired Juniors come out. I do not think with all due respect to YTF, that's true to the DBs in general. I think it's a down class. They may take a DB....from what I'm reading and watching so far there isn't a dimes bit of difference from someone from pick fifteen to pick sixty-four. If they traded back they could get the same prospect at DB in the second as the could in the first. The difference would be negligable.

As far as DE is concerned, if he's an elite guy who can get after the passer why not ? The only thing I can see is they seem prety happy this season with their platoon. We're fixin to see a couple of them the next few weeks that's for sure. I wanted one of the Columbus boys for a while now. The kid in Buffalo turned into a prety good DE.

What I know for a fact is simply this....we send six no one gets there. And that little thing has been going on for two and half seasons now. And one thing Denver's defense always featured over the recent years.....was very big safty's and athletic, read the cream in the league, linebackers.

The only way I can see them taking a WR is if someone they graded out very high tumbles off the top of the boards and falls to them on day two. Couple of those guys just went IR this week. Now whether they tumble or not ? I wouldn't Pay a one for Sweed or the kid for Oregon, but a three might be more than Kubaick can stand.
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Great post. I didn't know that about Denver's defense. Linebacker then sounds like a good pick. With one clearly dominant linebacker, for the Texans to add a first-rounder would definitely solidiy the linebacking corps.

For me, a 1st-rd linebacker definitely fits into how I think the Texans are developing the team. (Immediate needs met in free agency; then taking the best defensive player in the draft at their position.)

I agree on the WR, only I take it a step further. With AJ, Davis, Walter, and Jacoby, I think the Texans are set in their wide receivers. I would think this is currently at the bottom of their needs and would be surprised if they drafted one next year in any round.
 
beerlover said:
don't get too wrapped up into offensive lineman you'll only get dissapointed like I did last year :)

but yeah Otah does remind me of Charles, does'nt have the hand punch but similar massive frame & good footwrok for his size. also Mike McGlynn (RT) is a really interesting prospect because he has the ability to play all line positions. I'm wondering if they (Texans) could take a player like him (4th-5th rd.) & develop him into a NFL Center, his pass blocking is excellent, consistant & intense.

the other thing you hit upon are the schools that constantly produce lineman who compete & do exceptionally well in the NFL. I would take it one step father and say just look @ the coaching. Coaches rarely get their proper due with a few exceptions. Head coach Dave Wannstedt has NFL head coaching experience & Paul Dunn (who worked with Pitts) is the offensive line coach.
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At 6'6" 340 lbs he is a little big for center imo. http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/profile.php?pyid=66893
 
badboy said:
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/rumors/post/Chargers-will-not-trade-Michael-Turner;_ylt=A9G_byPuXQ5HsBcBbwH.uLYF?urn=nfl,48439

He will be almost 27 when the 2008 regular season begins and will then have four NFL seasons behind him as a RB. In five games his rushing avg is 7.4 but in 27 rushes he has 201 yds. Maybe he could carry the load for us, but nothing to base it on. He would be a reach because he will want a big contract in FA.
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Yeah, it is funny how signing a 30 year old to a 4 year deal is regarded as silly but signing a 27 year old to a 6-7 year deal is the only smart choice.

Here is the thing, someone will offer San Diego a trade and I think the team takes it. So do you want to give up a 4th on a maybe starter? I don't think I do for this player.
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If there is going to be a trade, it will happen within less than a week. The deadline is the 17th. Once that passes, he plays out the season and will be a FA who can sign with anyone. There were reports they were offered a 1st before the season. Would be the height of mismanagement if so and they now accepted a 4th.
 
Goldensilence said:
You guys can have Samuel...I'm hoping the Raiders don't resign Namdi Asmuagh(sp). Good cover corner who can tackle and has really come into his own quietly in Oakland. I think he's more physical then Asante andi prefer that in a corner. I also have my reservations about what happens to guys when they leave N.E. i just don't see them perform nearly as well outside of Billichek's staff and guys playing for the big contract make me nervous as well for the next season.

As for 1st rounder at this point I'm very much in agreement with your assesment pete. There is going to be a lot of first round grade LB's, especially if Lauranitis comes out, floating around. If a guy like Dan Conor falls us middle of first round it wouldn't suprise me at all for us to snag him up.

OL... honestly I think a lot of that might be up in the air far as what happens in the offseason. there should bea few HC spots open up and my money is on Coughlin leaving NYC, Gruden is on the hotseat, Del Rio could be too, Norv was a mistake in the first place and should be fired, and Crennels possibly. Sherman might be up for one of those jobs and if he goes i fully expect the OC position has been groomed for lil Shanahan. If that happens I well expect us to use later draft round picks again. If Sherman stays...we might go LT first round if a guy falls that we like.

As for RB the guy in the first round that I really want is Slaton. Perfect fit for what we're trying to do here. Cut and Run guy. Runs draw plays well, screens well, and has speed that kills. I like Dantrell Savage out of OSU late rounder and anyone else here think Mike Hart isn't a 1st rounder? AS for Turner...from what I've seen he does impress in limited touches.

Just my .02 cents anyway.
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Your CB had a good 2006 thereby voiding contract and allowing him to opt for FA. 14 tackles but no INTs this year. Depends on how he does the remainder, he could be some one to spend millions on. Notice he has big year then zero INTs the next. No big deal unless you think it is a pattern. http://fantasyfootball.usatoday.com/content/player.asp?sport=Nfl&id=779
 
Ole Miss Texan said:
Anybody watch the Pitt/Navy game last night?

I remembered half way through that Charles Spencer played for Pitt so I wanted to watch their OL.

Their LT (Otah) is a senior and seemed to do very well. Of course they were playing Navy so its hard to tell...but the announcers said kiper expects him to be a 1st day pick (3rd rd as of now).

Anybody got more insight on him?

Also as far as OL goes, what are good teams to watch for that would be guys we might pick from to fit our system? USC, Clemson, Pittsburgh, Miami come to mind (Spencer, Winston...)
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SSsssssh. I think he is starkly simular to Spencer. There is also a gaurd, from a small school, (Newberry ) who looks to have all the numbers. Doesn't mean he is quick. Doesn't mean he can play. Means he is, if the 4.99 number is true, a unique athlete. I mean at 326 with a 4.99 forty, I would hope we spend the cash to let the scouts get a sniff at the guy with live bullets flying. I mean that is LB/DE speed . Doens't mean he can block in space. Doen't mean he can block anyone. Just means he is a very unique human being.

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/profile.php?pyid=67382

Last time we all said there was no way they'd take a gaurd to play OLT they took Spencer. So the cupboard out of the first round isn't completly bare. However I'm hoping still Micheal Ohr decides to come out. I look at the the forty speed first that is the only barameter we have except game action that we have. A 5.4 forty guy is going to have a prety tough time blocking speed guys on the edge. A guy fast enough, doesn't mean he is neceissaryly quick enough, but fast enough has a shot out there. I mean evryone seems to be raving about the Kid from Wake Forest being a stud at center. However at 282, you got to wonder how his frame will hold up. And at that weight he better be a heck of a tactician. I saw the marshal center the other night. He's a bit ploddy but he can root out the point of attack. Looks to be a very strong guy with some quicks. I think the two centers from the past draft we saw have done prety well so far. Panthers Had Kalil out of position at RT gaurd. And Samson Satele (2 # 60) did a prety fair job on our DTs. He was a beast out in space with Ronnie Brown.


Tony Hills at Texas doesn't exactly thrill me. I See Salaam who needs some work.

Texans draft history.
http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/fulldraft?teamId=2120&type=team
 
threetoedpete said:
Tony Hills at Texas doesn't exactly thrill me.
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My highschool coach told Tony that he was the worst blocker on the team (though I think he was overexagerating)...

At the time he was playing TE, but still....

I think he has gotten much better though since he's been at UT...He's a good athlete, and he's agressive and he's got good size....

I look for somebody to pick my boy up come draft day...
 
infantrycak said:
Yeah, it is funny how signing a 30 year old to a 4 year deal is regarded as silly but signing a 27 year old to a 6-7 year deal is the only smart choice.



If there is going to be a trade, it will happen within less than a week. The deadline is the 17th. Once that passes, he plays out the season and will be a FA who can sign with anyone. There were reports they were offered a 1st before the season. Would be the height of mismanagement if so and they now accepted a 4th.
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I agree and fans are restless now. However, do you take a 4th over losing him to FA?
 
Goldensilence said:
You guys can have Samuel...I'm hoping the Raiders don't resign Namdi Asmuagh(sp). Good cover corner who can tackle and has really come into his own quietly in Oakland. I think he's more physical then Asante andi prefer that in a corner. I also have my reservations about what happens to guys when they leave N.E. i just don't see them perform nearly as well outside of Billichek's staff and guys playing for the big contract make me nervous as well for the next season.

As for 1st rounder at this point I'm very much in agreement with your assesment pete. There is going to be a lot of first round grade LB's, especially if Lauranitis comes out, floating around. If a guy like Dan Conor falls us middle of first round it wouldn't suprise me at all for us to snag him up.

OL... honestly I think a lot of that might be up in the air far as what happens in the offseason. there should bea few HC spots open up and my money is on Coughlin leaving NYC, Gruden is on the hotseat, Del Rio could be too, Norv was a mistake in the first place and should be fired, and Crennels possibly. Sherman might be up for one of those jobs and if he goes i fully expect the OC position has been groomed for lil Shanahan. If that happens I well expect us to use later draft round picks again. If Sherman stays...we might go LT first round if a guy falls that we like.

As for RB the guy in the first round that I really want is Slaton. Perfect fit for what we're trying to do here. Cut and Run guy. Runs draw plays well, screens well, and has speed that kills. I like Dantrell Savage out of OSU late rounder and anyone else here think Mike Hart isn't a 1st rounder? AS for Turner...from what I've seen he does impress in limited touches.

Just my .02 cents anyway.
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Hey that would work for me. We don't need a true #1 just someone to put Petey back at nickle. I'd just as soon see Danta get his money other than someone we don't know. Kinda peeved at Robinson right now, but he's had a very good season thus far. He gives the #1's fits that's for sure. Bennit might be that guy. But if we go through in the future at CB what we're going through with WR and RB this season, I can see having three guys not being too crazy. I mean if the kid from Oklahoma ( Smith) falls, he's big enough to play safty and he's a prety fair college CB right now. Now I wouldn't give a middle one for the guy....but they do some sort of a move down deal a guy like that might be on the board at the end of day one. William Gay will be a franchise guy...if it's going to cost us a day two pick...do the deal.

Micheal Hart ? I think there are a heck of a lot of small running backs on the board. Ray Rice, Ian Johnson...the kid at LSU is a junior isn't he. I mean that guy isn't that fast, strong or quick, all he does is make plays. Charles spit the bit against Oklahoma, but I've always wanted a change of pace guy to back up the one. Even when we had Dominic Williams/Davis, I wanted the # two or three to have some jets. Untill someone tells me differently, I think Criss Taylor is that guy.

So Keith, the kid that's toting the water for the colts right now...remind me again who's cousin he is and where he came from ? Strange they can pick up a second teired tallent and make him look like an all pro. Well maybe not so strange. Dungy hit ugoh and the back up kid. Amazing. Guess he wasn't so crazy after all Taking Anthony Gonzales with the first pick.
 
rollinstone18 said:
no faith in Chris White?
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Well just going by what we've seen, they seem prety set with Flannagan. I would of stuck him there at the 5:40 mark at the forth quarter if they were going to have a go at Ketih Traylor with second from the six and goal. Wouldn't you ? Soemone was out of their ever loving minds. There's got to be a reason he's not out there at this point doesn't there ?

No I'm not going to see nothing. I know what is behind door number three.
 
rollinstone18 said:
People were pretty high on Enoka Lucas before we cut him, so I don't know what to make of Chris White.
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From the little that I've seen of White, I'd say that at some point he will be a starter for us...

Maybe at some point this season...
 
Unless we tradedown I see it as:

Round 1: BPA, except QB
Round 3: BPA, except QB
Round 4: BPA, except QB
Round 5: BPA, except QB
Round 6: BPA, except QB
Round 7: BPA, except QB

I would think that the last 2 weeks would have shown us that we are not ready to draft for need.
 
threetoedpete said:
Yep he is on a lot of boards also. Over under ? I don't think a center goes in the first this draft.

SS I thought you were talking about the Irish center.

So beerlover do you know why Will Arnold has fallen so far in their eyes. That is quite a tumble ?
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He has never played a full season.

Knee & lower leg injuries have plagued his career so far.

The LSU faithful are saying that he is not injury-prone & that all his injuries are flukes but its hard to make a case for that.
 
How many touchdowns are given up by linebackers? How many by CB or Safeties? Having a super stud LB does little to help DBs. A super stud CB or FS can really help LBs. A super stud Rb can help the LT situation.
 
badboy said:
How many touchdowns are given up by linebackers? How many by CB or Safeties? Having a super stud LB does little to help DBs.
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Not real good football logic IMO....

Talent on your defense, is talent on your defense...
 
Hoth-Boy said:
Unless we tradedown I see it as:

Round 1: BPA, except QB,P
Round 3: BPA, except QB,P
Round 4: BPA, except QB,P
Round 5: BPA, except QB,P
Round 6: BPA, except QB,P
Round 7: BPA, except QB,P

I would think that the last 2 weeks would have shown us that we are not ready to draft for need.
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Fixed
 
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