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Texan fans are idiots too!

dalemurphy

dalemurphy

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I was at the game yesterday and was very disappointed with the fans- as usual. First of all, they are yelling and cheering everytime the team goes for it on 4th down.

Mostly, though, I can't stand the booing. I booed and heckled in 2005 because it was a ridiculous and embarrassing display. However, that's not what is happening this season. The first booing event was on the shovel pass we tried on 3rd and 15. The second, and loudest booing, was with less than 2 minutes left in the game after we've come back twice to tie and just had a big defensive stop. On 1st down, we ran the ball from our own 3. Any fans that don't understand why the team would run there, I can't understand why they'd sit in the stands, spend their money, and watch this game-which is clearly foreign to them. I don't spend $65 per seat to go watch a soccer match, that's for sure!
 
It's just the playcalling police. Too lazy to try to understand the complexity of the game. It's the same people who want them to "go long" every single down.
 
I told someone to please be quiet on one of our fourth downs, got glared at, then I pointed to the video screen that had "QUIET - OFFENSE AT WORK" on it. :whistle:

I am amazed at how much football knowledge and understanding was lost during the NFL's absence from Houston. I always took it for granted as an Oilers fan.
 
It could have been worse, you could have had the beer spilling, every play they leapt to their feet to kick you in the back of the head, dropping the F-bomb with every breath, totally incoherant buffoons I had sitting behind me :) All these plus the gripes you guys are making....luckily the friends that dropped the tickets on me had additional seating I could relocate too, otherwise I'd be in jail this morning ;)
 
Double Barrel said:
I told someone to please be quiet on one of our fourth downs, got glared at, then I pointed to the video screen that had "QUIET - OFFENSE AT WORK" on it. :whistle:

I am amazed at how much football knowledge and understanding was lost during the NFL's absence from Houston. I always took it for granted as an Oilers fan.
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Sadly, they don't understand why they should be quiet the ENTIRE down, not just 5 second before the ball snaps.
 
actually I didn't agree with the 4th-1 call either. Unlike yourself though, even in 2005, I have never 'boo-ed' inside the stadium at the Texans. Guess I am an ***** for never booing, huh.

If we had showed to have even an mediocre running game at any time during the game, I would have completely agreed with THAT call. Showing that we couldn't get 2 yds in 3 tries from the 2 yd line for a TD, early in the game, was a direct reflection of our LACK of a running game. Hence that call, with intent of getting some distance out of the endzone, was a wasted call to me. And obviously gaining ONE WHOLE YD during the play, showed it was a wasted call. The very next play, from our 4 yd line, only netted 19 yds.

We ran very poorly yesterday and passed very well. Call the plays that are working for you. Not the ones that football logic says is a high percentage call. IMIO (in my idiotic opinion)

note to self: on this board you can in fact use the word ID-IO-T in the heading of the message. You can not however use it in the text of the message. hmmm
 
This isn't a big deal but does anyone have a problem when the Texans get a first down and the Reliant Stadium Anouncer hollers that's good for a Houston Texans ..... then the crowd hollers First Down? Seems like Schaub has a hard time getting the call in from Kubes when that happens.

The only time I boo is at a bad officiating call or the opposing team.
 
M Shadows said:
This isn't a big deal but does anyone have a problem when the Texans get a first down and the Reliant Stadium Anouncer hollers that's good for a Houston Texans ..... then the crowd hollers First Down? Seems like Schaub has a hard time getting the call in from Kubes when that happens.
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That was always fun during the 2-14 season...ok, not so much really.

I thought it was funny during our hurry up offense and we got a first down. The announcer said it really fast, almost like he was one of those auction guys.
 
FirstTexansFan said:
It could have been worse, you could have had the beer spilling, every play they leapt to their feet to kick you in the back of the head, dropping the F-bomb with every breath, totally incoherant buffoons I had sitting behind me :) All these plus the gripes you guys are making....luckily the friends that dropped the tickets on me had additional seating I could relocate too, otherwise I'd be in jail this morning ;)
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Try this middle school age girl who has season tickets behind us for each game. She has this scream that has dogs barking for miles. She absolutely loves Kris Brown, so she had plenty of times to cut loose Sunday. I've never heard anyone hit the notes she hits. My ears are ringing. Then, she talks incessintly when not screaming. Ignorant comments in the loud, shrill voice. I looked back once and her father was not there and she still was talking.

I tried to get the car keys from my husband at one point, because I was afraid he was going to get arrested and I wanted to be able to get home. She jumped down to the empty seat beside him and was jumping up and down screaming in his ear.

My husband got invited to the Titan's game by another company, so we are looking for an enforcer to come with us as our guest to the game. Maybe a teammate from my son's HS football team.

We are loud in the right places and I don't mind noise, but I will be looking to trade my tickets to another location next year.
 
I sat down in my parents seats this time and across the aisle theres this giant troll of a lady that screeches nonstop for the entire game. KUBIAAAAAC (but with smokers lung sound.)

No wonder my dad was so quick to volunteer to sit in the end zone...
 
thegr8fan said:
actually I didn't agree with the 4th-1 call either. Unlike yourself though, even in 2005, I have never 'boo-ed' inside the stadium at the Texans. Guess I am an ***** for never booing, huh.

If we had showed to have even an mediocre running game at any time during the game, I would have completely agreed with THAT call. Showing that we couldn't get 2 yds in 3 tries from the 2 yd line for a TD, early in the game, was a direct reflection of our LACK of a running game. Hence that call, with intent of getting some distance out of the endzone, was a wasted call to me. And obviously gaining ONE WHOLE YD during the play, showed it was a wasted call. The very next play, from our 4 yd line, only netted 19 yds.

We ran very poorly yesterday and passed very well. Call the plays that are working for you. Not the ones that football logic says is a high percentage call. IMIO (in my idiotic opinion)

note to self: on this board you can in fact use the word ID-IO-T in the heading of the message. You can not however use it in the text of the message. hmmm
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I don't totally disagree with your take, but remember that the Fins still had Timeouts. If we throw on 1st down, and it's incomplete, the Dolphins may have called a TO, and tried to get the ball back. OTOH, when they ran and Miami did not call for the TO, then I would have liked a little more urgency to get the play off unless they truly did intend to run the clock down and go for the OT period. All in all, I was glad Kubes decided to grow a pair and go for it, but you are right in that clock management still seems to be a bugaboo.
 
Stop complaining about the Fans!!! Every other NFL team has the same problems. I have heard this soo many times, we are not idiots its just how it goes. It really is not that bad, get over it!
 
Perhaps we need to do a "buddy" program. Pair up one off-the-street Texans fan with one Colts fan.

You guys sound like a bunch of hardcore music fans pooping on the scourge that is commercial rock. I LOVE IT!

Hopefully a couple years of success will make for a more stable and intelligent fan base, turning the bandwagoners into "true" fans...as true as you can get in a fair-weather sports town like Houston. We need to bring the Football Fan back to Houston.
 
thegr8fan said:
note to self: on this board you can in fact use the word ID-IO-T in the heading of the message. You can not however use it in the text of the message. hmmm
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The purpose of the deleted word in the posts is to cut down on personal attacks...once I deleted that word people generally cut way back on mindlessly calling each other an i d i o t. This word isn't worth banning otherwise. Also, I didn't ban the word idiots....you can type it with a S at the end. People don't generally run around calling a person an idiots.
 
Also folks...consider this sad thought:

Maybe some of these new fans are ex-Cowboy fans. And we all know how these folks are barely able to leave the house without a helmet, let alone know how to act during a football game. Please be kind...take them under your wing and train them properly.

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HoustonFrog said:
The guys deserved it..lol..:bat:


kidding..was at home with child celebrating our anniversary by watching football
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Probably, but not as much as the full three rows of Finz fans sitting at the top of my section.. Of course, I got penalized 15 yards for 'taunting'.



BY the way, congrats on your anniversary!!
 
thegr8fan said:
actually I didn't agree with the 4th-1 call either. Unlike yourself though, even in 2005, I have never 'boo-ed' inside the stadium at the Texans. Guess I am an ***** for never booing, huh.

If we had showed to have even an mediocre running game at any time during the game, I would have completely agreed with THAT call. Showing that we couldn't get 2 yds in 3 tries from the 2 yd line for a TD, early in the game, was a direct reflection of our LACK of a running game. Hence that call, with intent of getting some distance out of the endzone, was a wasted call to me. And obviously gaining ONE WHOLE YD during the play, showed it was a wasted call. The very next play, from our 4 yd line, only netted 19 yds.

We ran very poorly yesterday and passed very well. Call the plays that are working for you. Not the ones that football logic says is a high percentage call. IMIO (in my idiotic opinion)

note to self: on this board you can in fact use the word ID-IO-T in the heading of the message. You can not however use it in the text of the message. hmmm
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We also weren't passing blocking well. Schaub was only completing about 60% of his passes. Also, the clock stops on an incomplete pass. We were on our own three. The game was tied. There was less than 2 minutes to go. Miami had three timeouts. Our punter averages a net of about 43 yards.

Taking all that into account, we ran the ball not because Kubiak thought that was the most efficient way to get into field goal range, but because given all the factors, it was the best way to win the game. He wanted to see if Miami was going to use their timeouts and didn't want to leave too much time on the clock and allow a very short Miami drive for a winning field goal. Even if we just run out the clock, we have a better than average chance to win the game in overtime. The odds of winning the game from our own 3 yard line, weren't good and it's reasonable that the head coach wouldn't want to put the opposing team in a favorable position. Have you ever heard of the football expression "field position"?
 
I don't totally disagree with your take, but remember that the Fins still had Timeouts. If we throw on 1st down, and it's incomplete, the Dolphins may have called a TO, and tried to get the ball back. OTOH, when they ran and Miami did not call for the TO, then I would have liked a little more urgency to get the play off unless they truly did intend to run the clock down and go for the OT period. All in all, I was glad Kubes decided to grow a pair and go for it, but you are right in that clock management still seems to be a bugaboo.
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Agreed. I thought the run was an obvious call even in light of the nonexistent
running game. Taylor was giving Schaub problems, and a safety would not have been good. Although the one yard plunge didn't really help. My biggest problem was that they drained probably 20 seconds off of the clock, then came the 19 yard completion, followed by a sense of urgency. One play to late IMO.
 
dalemurphy said:
We also weren't passing blocking well. Schaub was only completing about 60% of his passes. Also, the clock stops on an incomplete pass. We were on our own three. The game was tied. There was less than 2 minutes to go. Miami had three timeouts. Our punter averages a net of about 43 yards.

Taking all that into account, we ran the ball not because Kubiak thought that was the most efficient way to get into field goal range, but because given all the factors, it was the best way to win the game. He wanted to see if Miami was going to use their timeouts and didn't want to leave too much time on the clock and allow a very short Miami drive for a winning field goal.
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QFT! Good Post
 
One play to late IMO.
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The run was to test when Miami was going to call a timeout. Kubiak didn't want to give Miami the ball in good field position with a lot of time on the clock. The big pass to OD made a difference in the fact that they could try and get in field goal range.
 
I sense that some of the 'booing' was out of frustration. It's tough to root for a losing team year after year. Winning teams take chances, which is exactly what we did to win the game yesterday.
 
Double Barrel said:
I sense that some of the 'booing' was out of frustration. It's tough to root for a losing team year after year. Winning teams take chances, which is exactly what we did to win the game yesterday.
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I only heard scattered booing here and there....wasn't that noticeable to me at all.
 
dalemurphy said:
You guys are surrounded with Bullpen members. Trust me, the huckabees in the 600's were doing a lot of booing.
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nah, I'm up in 500's, south (dark side) end zone. I hear boos, just not a stadium full. I think some folks were having Capers' "play not to lose" flashbacks. JMO.
 
Double Barrel said:
I told someone to please be quiet on one of our fourth downs, got glared at, then I pointed to the video screen that had "QUIET - OFFENSE AT WORK" on it. :whistle:

I am amazed at how much football knowledge and understanding was lost during the NFL's absence from Houston. I always took it for granted as an Oilers fan.
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/agreed

we used to be some of the more intelligent football fans back in the day. we saw everything humanly possible happen to the Oilers so we knew what to look out for and had seen just about every scenario play itself out (mostly to the Oilers detriment)

i am so happy our season is going better and the franchise seems to be going in the right direction. now that we are a real team and we can compete, it feels kinda like the old school Oilers-era in that now the losses hurt SOOO much more. Not 'Oilers-era hurt' just yet, but its getting there. I just believe in the team now so the losses are harder to accept. Losing to Peyton is just part and parcel of being in his division, but losing to the Falcons was embarassing. Luckily we did just enough to beat the Fins so we can now get down to our Divisional business. Next stop Jacksonville!!!
 
What about the dumbasses that come to the sections with free giveaways to toss out while we are on offense. I told the guy to wait until we score or we're on defense, and he looked at me like...huh? People start screaming like he's throwing out thousand dollar bills.


Also, they need to keep the "Quiet Sign" going all game, not just in the first quarter.
 
Vinny said:
I only heard scattered booing here and there....wasn't that noticeable to me at all.
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as an earlier poster noted (Marcus?) it was the playcalling police. its standard in any NFL arena nowadays. Geez, now it happens in college football constantly in every conference. (see Greg Davis). it happens everywhere.

I side with the fans because it looked like Kubiak was going to play for overtime initially with that 1st play and playing for OT would have been a mistake. luckily, he was possibly lulling the Dolphins into sleep, draining the timeouts, and trying to get his QB some room to throw with the threat of the run. A safety would have been GAME OVER at that point.

it's now obvious that he actually did a GREAT job with clock management which is a big step considering his huge clock management gaffes the previous two games.

OT - fwiw - Cameron looked completely lost out there Sunday at times. I think its overwhelming him and he looks like a deer in headlights. Huizenga isnt exactly patient and this could be 'one and done' if they don't turn things around fast. Cameron has done a good job putting Brown into position to make plays ala LT but there is more to being a Head Coach than being an OC. If Green is out for any significant amount of time, then that could help Cameron keep his job another year but it would be on a short leash. Wayne would love to hire a Cowher as he loves to make a big splash.
 
Second Honeymoon said:
I side with the fans because it looked like Kubiak was going to play for overtime initially with that 1st play and playing for OT would have been a mistake. luckily, he was possibly lulling the Dolphins into sleep, draining the timeouts, and trying to get his QB some room to throw with the threat of the run. A safety would have been GAME OVER at that point.

it's now obvious that he actually did a GREAT job with clock management which is a big step considering his huge clock management gaffes the previous two games.

OT - fwiw - Cameron looked completely lost out there Sunday at times. I think its overwhelming him and he looks like a deer in headlights. Huizenga isnt exactly patient and this could be 'one and done' if they don't turn things around fast. Cameron has done a good job putting Brown into position to make plays ala LT but there is more to being a Head Coach than being an OC. If Green is out for any significant amount of time, then that could help Cameron keep his job another year but it would be on a short leash. Wayne would love to hire a Cowher as he loves to make a big splash.
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I sat with Herv and he can tell you that I called the run and we discussed why you should not pass on that first play...but some fans were booing anyway. I also discussed Cameron's idiotic play calling. Brown was going off for about 7 ypc in the first half and they come out throwing the ball after halftime. I told him if I was a Dolphin fan I'd be an unhappy fan.
 
Vinny said:
I sat with Herv and he can tell you that I called the run and we discussed why you should not pass on that first play...but some fans were booing anyway. I also discussed Cameron's idiotic play calling. Brown was going off for about 7 ypc in the first half and they come out throwing the ball after halftime. I told him if I was a Dolphin fan I'd be an unhappy fan.
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oh we had timeouts so i had no problem with them running it to get room but I think the fans were booing what they perceived was 'playing for overtime' rather than the running play itself. they had seen Kubes go conservative in similar situations and didn't want to allow the game to basically come down to a coin flip.

oh yeah, Brown looked great and was cutting back into the gaps from Weaver and Mario ala LT early in the game...totally exposing Mario and Okoye on a few plays...breaking tackles...doing it all....but then once Green was gone and Cleo was in, he just seemed completely lost and broken. Cameron is just overwhelmed and its only gonna get tougher with an 0-5 team that is probably 2 losses away from season long cruise control by the whole team.

I feel sorry for the guy because the Miami media is extremely hard on their football coaches when they lose...and their losing; in spades
 
imatexan said:
Stop complaining about the Fans!!! Every other NFL team has the same problems. I have heard this soo many times, we are not idiots its just how it goes. It really is not that bad, get over it!
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Leave Texans fan alone!!!!!! :crying:
 
dalemurphy said:
I was at the game yesterday and was very disappointed with the fans- as usual. First of all, they are yelling and cheering everytime the team goes for it on 4th down.

Mostly, though, I can't stand the booing. I booed and heckled in 2005 because it was a ridiculous and embarrassing display.
On 1st down, we ran the ball from our own 3. Any fans that don't understand why the team would run there, I can't understand why they'd sit in the stands, spend their money, and watch this game-which is clearly foreign to them.
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You are right about anyone yelling when the Texans are on offense, and have broken the huddle. Texans fans should be quiet.

Now, on the other point, I did not boo, but came close, because I feared Kubes was about to run the ball 3 times and go to overtime. I felt the people that booed were tired of Kubes conservative play callng and bad clock management over the last 3 or so games. They feared he had chosen not to even try for a FG drive.
I've seen other teams throw in that situation, and it worked. I've seen teams throw a bomb from there and it's worked. So running there was not the only choice. You agree with Kubes, and that's fine, but it does not make others wrong.
 
Battle Red Flash said:
You are right about anyone yelling when the Texans are on offense, and have broken the huddle. Texans fans should be quiet.

Now, on the other point, I did not boo, but came close, because I feared Kubes was about to run the ball 3 times and go to overtime. I felt the people that booed were tired of Kubes conservative play callng and bad clock management over the last 3 or so games. They feared he had chosen not to even try for a FG drive.
I've seen other teams throw in that situation, and it worked. I've seen teams throw a bomb from there and it's worked. So running there was not the only choice. You agree with Kubes, and that's fine, but it does not make others wrong.
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take a sack there and the games over...he did the right thing.
 
I was thinking the same thing watching it on tv, thinking whats wrong with these ppl, but then i thought maybe there were alot of Phin fans there....
 
take a sack for a safety and the game is even more over.

And for those arguing the 'field position dictated a run', Normally I would completely agree with that thinking. But not in yesterdays game when we didn't have anything remotely resembling a running game all game long. And that much time on the clock and we only needed to get into FG range.

The fans were booing for the fact that apparently Kubiak was playing for OT, and they didn't like it. All that changed with the 19 yd pass. IMO

Kubiaks clock management is still suspect, IMO. He hasn't shown a real good grasp of how to manage a late game clock this season so far, including yesterday.
 
We scored the game winning kick with 1 second left on the clock...

How much better clock management can we get ?

You do not come out passing in a situation like that...

You have to run the ball to get the clock rolling...

If you throw an incomplete pass the clock stops and you may have to punt it...

Kubiak just said in his interview that their intent the whole time was to go after the first down at the least...

You have to take baby steps...If you go out there guns-a-blazin you may go down in the same manner...
 
Kubiak just said in his interview that their intent the whole time was to go after the first down at the least...
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this quote is a prime example of why the fans were frustrated and 'boo-ing'.

If your intent is to get a first down then that is a grand total of 10 yds.

With the game on the line, and that much time on the clock, don't you think the INTENT should have been to get downfield into FG range?? Wouldn't that seem to be the logical and desired INTENT at that time by the team? Seems so to me.

The 19 yd pass changed everyone's perspective of the clock management.

but from Kubiaks own quote listed above it is quite obvious he just wanted to take it into OT. That is what the fans were 'boo-ing', IMO.
 
It could have been worse. Everyone could have not showed up.

I am not going to start bitching at fans' cheering or not cheering when I saw the stadium less than half full several times. I know that we have to complain about something, but screw complaining about people actually showing up to the game.
 
thegr8fan said:
With the game on the line, and that much time on the clock, don't you think the INTENT should have been to get downfield into FG range?? Wouldn't that seem to be the logical and desired INTENT at that time by the team? Seems so to me.
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No...I think you are wrong...


I don't think you can go out there with that mindset...Especially given that we are lacking our top weapons....

You have to test the waters first and see what you can get...

You need to go after the first down first, because you don't want the other team to get an easy three and out because you're stupidly trying to drive 90 yards all at once...

Sacks, and incompletions and interceptions were not our friend at that point...


I think those who were booing were wrong...

He first needed to make sure that we didn't "give" the Dolphins the game before he could go for the win...

But I don't expect everyone to understand that...So goes life...
 
Vinny said:
The purpose of the deleted word in the posts is to cut down on personal attacks...once I deleted that word people generally cut way back on mindlessly calling each other an i d i o t. This word isn't worth banning otherwise. Also, I didn't ban the word idiots....you can type it with a S at the end. People don't generally run around calling a person an idiots.
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They probably will now...
 
I can generally tune out would be distractions by most of the fans because I get totally absorbed in what's going on on the field. However, call me a poor sport or what ever, but nothing annoys me more than trying to concentrate on the game while that dog gone beach ball goes sailing by. Then those who want to play will boo those that don't.
 
dskillz said:
It could have been worse. Everyone could have not showed up.

I am not going to start bitching at fans' cheering or not cheering when I saw the stadium less than half full several times. I know that we have to complain about something, but screw complaining about people actually showing up to the game.
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Oh yeah, and the stadium was half-empty at kickoff.
 
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